The Suicide Squid Saga (As of February 9, 1994) as begun sometime in early April, 1991. Compiled by David Wald . Note: This file has been edited. I have done my best to leave in all Suicide Squid comments along with enough context to make sense, while deleting repetitious quoting, and occasionally reformatting. The principal exception is Tom Galloway's monstrous summary of the Suicide Squid chronology, part way through, which has been included in its entirety. In addition, I have made no effort to capture every Legion of Net Heroes reference to Squid Boy. -DEW =================================================================== = From: sakai@dylink.usc.edu (Mitsuhiro Sakai) = Message-ID: <31888@usc> >I would be very interested (and perhaps the rest of the net would as >well) in Mitsuhiro Sakai's (forgive my ignorance -- is Mitsuhiro your >"first" or personal name and "Sakai" your family name?) reaction to >the brief exchange on racism between Amanda Waller and the Japanese >businessman in the latest SUICIDE SQUAD (#53? It's the first part of >the "Dragon's Hoard" storyline). What's happen in Suicide Squid? Please tell me.(I don't read S.S.) By the way, about the name, you are correct. And according to Japanese custom writing, my name is Sakai Mitsuhiro. =================================================================== = From: rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) = Message-ID: <5837@vela.acs.oakland.edu> In article <31888@usc> sakai@dylink.usc.edu (Mitsuhiro Sakai) writes: >What's happen in Suicide Squid? Please tell me.(I don't read S.S.) Well, after nearly destroying Honolulu, Suicide Squid fled towards the west coast of North America. It encountered the US Navy just off San Diego, and there was a huge battle, with big waves that threatened to swamp the city. Betty and Blaze rallied the people of San Diego, however, to put up a psychic shield that contained most of the devastation. Meanwhile, Chuck was with the fleet trying to convince the Admiral to let him try to get through to Suicide Squid's human side. The Admiral pretended to let Chuck have his way, and when Chuck had presuaded Suicide Squid to drop his guard, the Admiral let him have it with uranium-tipped shells. Suicide Squid was injured and Chuck may have drowned. On the last page we see Suicide Squid washing ashore on a deserted part of the Baja California coast and finding a child who had been washed there by the San Diego tidal wave. Overall, I thought this issue was pretty weak, but I'm not really up on my Suicide Squid backstory. Can anyone fill me in on the relationship between Betty, Blaze, Chuck and Suicide Squid? =================================================================== = From: ecaxron@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ronald E. Graham) = Message-ID: <1991Apr12.210124.4512@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> If there is one thing I can't stand, it's otherwise knowledgable people taking fifth-grade spelling errors and going off the deep-end with them. Mr. Sakai, if you want a Suicide Squad update, please send e-mail. I have posted reviews already, without much comment. Mr. Johnson, please try to stay on the subject. You knew perfectly well what Mr. Sakai was talking about. =================================================================== = From: rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) = Message-ID: <5846@vela.acs.oakland.edu> If there's one thing *I* can't stand (and there is--just one), it's people who take themselves as seriously as you seem to be here, and want to stop other people from having fun. Anyway, just because you're not a Suicide Squid fan doesn't mean the rest of us can't talk about it. I haven't been into Suicide Squid as long as some people, but I enjoy it a lot and I see no reason why I should have to apologize. I think the rest of us on the Suicide Squid mailing list will agree with me too. =================================================================== = From: mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) = Message-ID: <1991Apr14.023904.10142@eff.org> What turned me on to Suicide Squid was the Squid reference in the January 26 episode of Twin Peaks. I figured that any comic book with tentacled characters that was read by *both* Coop *and* Lucy deserved my attention. =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <50f145242.000b097@caen.engin.umich.edu> rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes: >Overall, I thought this issue was pretty weak, but I'm not really up >on my Suicide Squid backstory. Can anyone fill me in on the >relationship between Betty, Blaze, Chuck and Suicide Squid? Well, the first thing you need to know is that Suicide Squid is DC's first attempt to do a grim'n'gritty [tm] retcon [tm] on the Hanna-Barbera characters they've obtained the comic book rights to. Being how this was a major change from what people are used to for Hanna-Barbera characters, their first thought was to try to get Howard Chaykin to do a mini-series where it turns out that Yogi Bear was an addict who did drug running via pic-a-nic baskets to pusher Huckleberry Hound. Atom Ant was squished on the first page, and the main protagonists were neo-Nazis The Ranger and Secret Squirrel. And you don't even want to know what was done to the other characters. Fortunately, Chaykin got hired to be a story editor on the Flash before this could be finished. Also, DC had some doubts as to whether people would accept such a drastic alteration to so many characters at once. So they first went with a minor character who Chaykin had roughed out a personality sketch on. So Suicide Squid is the DC grim'n'gritty [tm] incarnation of Squiddly Diddly. He now suffers from severe manic-depression with a definite suicidal streak. Chuck, on the other hand, comes from a somewhat different universe. He's the son of the grown up "Bud" from the Flipper tv show. Maintaining the tradition of child tv stars growing up and turning evil (see the Marvel mini-series Dark Diff'rent Strokes, with a guest appearance by Dark Danny Partridge), "Bud" is now evil, blaming all oceanic life for the permanent loss of all his body hair which actually resulted from too much Nair during his competative swimming career (aka the Lex Luthor syndrome). He's taken care of Flipper by obtaining a controlling position in a tuna fish company and making sure they didn't use dolphin proof fishing methods. Now only Chuck and Suicide Squid stand between "Bud" and total domination of the Middle American food business. By fair means or foul, "Bud" is taking control of mayonnaise companies, General Foods' Jell-o division, and Wonder Bread bakeries. Since "Bud" is apparently a respectable, all-American, businessperson, he's managed to frame Chuck and Suicide Squid so that they are fugitives from the law. Their only allies are Betty and Blaze. Betty Cooper is an escapee from "Bud"'s sick genetic experiments which converted her into a dead ringer for her namesake from Archie Comics (the rights came as a package deal with the Impact line's characters). "Bud" always did have a thing for the Betty character. Blaze is her talking, telepathic, cat, a much overused Chaykin device. It's been theorized that Blaze may be a retconned [tm] version of Snagglepuss, but as he's yet to say anything resembling "Exit, stage right, even", it's not yet been confirmed. I hope this clears things up. =================================================================== = From: wkaufman@oracle.oracle.com (William P. Kaufman) = Message-ID: <1991Apr13.210315.6092@oracle.com> In article <5837@vela.acs.oakland.edu> rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes: >In article <31888@usc> sakai@dylink.usc.edu (Mitsuhiro Sakai) writes: > >>What's happen in Suicide Squid? Please tell me.(I don't read S.S.) > > [...recap deleted...] Thanks for the recap! I lost track of this title since the Mark Badger fill-in issues. I thought it slipped into a dull, introspective grind. Kinda, Jack Kerouac without Neal Cassidy. Does someone have the back issues (I guess, from #16 to #21) that they're willing to part with,...? I need the ones back to, like, the week of Jan 26. >Overall, I thought this issue was pretty weak, but I'm not really up >on my Suicide Squid backstory. Can anyone fill me in on the >relationship between Betty, Blaze, Chuck and Suicide Squid? Sure. Suicide Squid was Biff Peters, University of San Diego student in marine biology and generic California surfer-dude type. ...Until a squid, irradiated by South Pacific nuclear tests, somehow melded with him. Now, he's on a crusade to protect the oceans and put an end to yuppy sushi-eating habits. Chuck, a USN marine biologist and pilot, was present at the nuclear test, and at the "melding". He's the only person who knows Suicide Squid's true identity. He's now trying to recover the Biff persona, by introducing the Squid to surfboards and Speedos. Admiral Peters is, of course, Biff/Squid's father, who, unwittingly, is trying to wipe out his son. Betty and Blaze must be new characters; I don't remember them in the first run. Can someone give me a run-down on them? =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <50f5947c0.000b097@caen.engin.umich.edu> wkaufman@oracle.oracle.com (William P. Kaufman) writes: >Sure. Suicide Squid was Biff Peters, University of San Diego student >in marine biology and generic California surfer-dude type. ...Until >a squid, irradiated by South Pacific nuclear tests, somehow melded >with him. Now, he's on a crusade to protect the oceans and put an >end to yuppy sushi-eating habits. Sorry, that was the first post-Crisis retcon of this long lived DC character name. Sales just didn't hold up on this version, and besides it was rather mid-80s dated, thus the decision to go with the grim'n'gritty [tm], environmental, and licensing approach currently being used. Suicide Squid is now on at least his third incarnation, the latest being the tie-in with Hanna-Barbera, Flipper, and Archie which I detailed last night. That's why you didn't know about Betty and Blaze; they were just introduced in this retcon. However, I'll confess to being unfamiliar with Suicide Squid's Golden Age incarnation. Anyone want to take a stab at recalling those details? Also, does anyone know if the inevitable team-up with Aquaman has happened yet? =================================================================== = From: morpheus@mudbalt.caltech.edu (Dream of the Endless) = Message-ID: <1991Apr21.042317.13318@nntp-server.caltech.edu> [ In a "Lobo is the prodigal Endless" thread ] (but...but...why would Bast know about Lobo's whereabouts? Are the space dolphins really felines? Do I see a cross-over between LEGION '91, Sandman, and Suicide Squid looming on the horizon?) =================================================================== = From: rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) = Message-ID: <6085@vela.acs.oakland.edu> In article <1991Apr22.223256.19951@aucs.AcadiaU.ca> 860099w@aucs.acadiau.ca (Marty Ward) writes: > 10. Funny animal comics (furries) are the future! Why only furries? What about SLIMIES? Give Suicide Squid a try--you won't be sorry. =================================================================== = From: klein@kira.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein) = Message-ID: <1991Apr24.002212.22581@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> Which reminds me - in the recent recap of Charlton characters, no mention was made of the Golden Age Suicide Squid. SS was originally published by Fox, but he was picked up with Blue Beetle by Charlton. He was a telepathic squid who flew a plane and jumped out to ensnare enemy planes, with which he would plunge into the sea. His pals in the Air Corps thought this was awfully suicidal, and so he was called Suicide Squid. In the original proposal for Watchmen, the ending focused on Suicide Squid's final suicide. Since they couldn't use the Charlton characters, we got that unbelieveable mess of an ending instead. -JK ("Oh no! It is der Amerikansher SUICIDE SQUID!") =================================================================== = From: 850117m@aucs.AcadiaU.ca (Scott Marshall) = Message-ID: <1991Apr25.163931.3053@aucs.AcadiaU.ca> Say WHAT? Not only do I find the concept of a "Suicide Squid" unbelievable.. I'm amazed that people STILL DON'T GET THE POINT of _Watchmen_. Sheesh. =================================================================== = From: morpheus@nntp-server.caltech.edu (Dream of the Endless) = Message-ID: <1991Apr25.175000.24320@nntp-server.caltech.edu> Scott Marshall sez: >> [quoted stuff about Suicide Squid (which, IMHO, is one of the best series ever put out by the big two)] > Say WHAT? BWAhahahahahahahah. Sorry. =================================================================== = From: justin@inmet.inmet.com = Message-ID: <10500316@inmet> >Not only do I find the concept of a "Suicide Squid" unbelievable.. >I'm amazed that people STILL DON'T GET THE POINT of _Watchmen_. I'm *sure* that I have a relevant quote around here somewhere... Ah; here it is... -- Justin du Coeur Deputy Assistant to the Vice-Chairperson, American Sarcasm Association Not-so-Random Quote du Jour: "ANNOUNCER [VO]: Millions of people are sarcasm impaired. But there are things you can do. Get the facts. See your psychiatrist." -- Doug Moran =================================================================== = From: morpheus@chairie.caltech.edu (Dream of the Endless) = Message-ID: <1991May1.060208.18167@nntp-server.caltech.edu> I forgot to save the recent postings on Suicide Squid's history; as this is my favorite series, I would like to see the history of the Golden Age and Silver Age versions of the Great Tentacled One. Did anyone happen to save those? Say, is anyone doing a Scorecard for Suicide Squid, as they are for the Legion? I thought the latest issue was the best ever, but I didn't catch all the references and in-jokes! Someone help me out, who was Clarice? And what's all this about sand fleas?? Help! =================================================================== = From: jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) = Message-ID: <1991May1.155031.4283@watdragon.waterloo.edu> I *think* Clarice might be the secretary from the silver age run, who was never explicitly named ('Hey, Sweetcakes' doesn't count in my book) except the secretary was blonde and Clarice isn't. Hmmm. Also, the secretary was male. Double hmmm. Same facial bone structure, though. You could make a case that the time for a well-written trans-sexual supporting character in comics is overdue, although if that *is* who Clarice is, how the *hell* did they get CCA approval? The sand fleas were from issue 4 to 6 of the golden age run, and were part of one of the very first multi-issue epics/sagas in comics. Actually, the build-up to the climax of the story was very well done, especially for the time the story was written. Unfortunately, the author (whose name escapes me) was killed on the Hindenburg, his notes for issue 7 were lost, and the fill-in issue was fairly wretched, which poisoned the well for multi-issue stories for several decades. Some people think that the elves from Gerber's Defenders (?) were a tribute to the sand fleas, although I think this is unlikely. Whoever killed the elves *off* *had* to have read the Golden Age Suicide Squid, because the sand fleas also died in a particularly pointless car crash (Which gave Suicide Squid the chance to use the speech about the missing man, who I always think of as the 'girder guy', from the novel 'Maltese Falcon'). It's nice to see the fleas back again. =================================================================== = From: conty@cbnewsl.att.com (Enrique Conty) = Message-ID: <1991May1.193629.24536@cbnewsl.att.com> Ah! I completely forgot about the SA Clarice. Could this one be the Post-Crisis version of the character? > how the *hell* did they get CCA approval? They didn't. This is one of DC's Mature Readers titles. And given that Gaiman got away with something not too different in Sandman 27, I'm not particularly surprised by this. Of course, they always could do a Northstar-style retcon on him if someone complains. > It's nice to see the fleas back again. YES!!! P.S. A friend of mine is selling his Silver-Age Suicide Squid issues? Is anyone interested? P.P.S. To be honest, I didn't think that DC could pull off something like Suicide Squid. I mean, not only it's an non-funny anthropomorphics book (OK, so its animals in an otherwise human world), but the original concept was so LAME!!!(flame at will, I didn't like either of the previous versions of SS) I can't believe they took a character like Dr. Calamari and gave him such a major turnaround. I'd love to see what will the new Black Ink Irregulars look like. =================================================================== = From: jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) = Message-ID: <1991May1.210826.25112@watdragon.waterloo.edu> WHHAATT!!!????? The GA Suicide Squid set standards for art that weren't matched until Bill Sienkiewicz. The stunning single issue B&W experiment, while a commercial failure, is credited by some for inspiring the use of shadows in 'Citizen Kane'. I can't understand how a serious fancier of comics *couldn't* like the GA SS. Besides, the whole 'creature in a world he didn't make' theme dates from Suicide Squid. Most people don't realise that the GA SS was the *only* comic the Sierra Club ever recommended in the 40s. The GA SS was *groundbreaking* in its concern for the environment. On the other, the abortive Byrne/Chaykin run made me gag. 'All girls, all garters' issue, indeed. =================================================================== = From: faber@loon.cs.wisc.edu (Ted) = Message-ID: <1991May2.165705.18468@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Yeah, shame about the low print runs. I mean 75 copies of each issue ( except for that all B/W issue with 250 ) was really underselling - even if every one *was* done by hand. =================================================================== = From: morpheus@nntp-server.caltech.edu (Dream of the Endless) = Message-ID: <1991May3.173243.5672@nntp-server.caltech.edu> Oh, if anyone has any Silver Age issues of SUICIDE SQUID, I'd be interested in buying them at 70-80% of guide price. =================================================================== = From: wmorgan@stsci.EDU (Windsor A. Morgan) = Message-ID: <2642@nemesis.stsci.edu> In article <1991May3.173243.5672@nntp-server.caltech.edu> morpheus@nntp-server.caltech.edu (Dream of the Endless) writes: > >Oh, if anyone has any Silver Age issues of SUICIDE SQUID, I'd >be interested in buying them at 70-80% of guide price. You want Suicide Squid, eh? This comic is one I've never heard of. Is it one of those funny-animal comics I hear talk of? In the same vein as those Turtles? Perhaps you mean that dead squid which showed up in the comic strip Ernie a few weeks back. Oh, for those who are sense-of-humor challenged: :-) =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <516dc0908.000b097@caen.engin.umich.edu> While this may cross the commercialism boundary on the net, I'm going to go ahead and go with it since it's a one-shot, and in much the same spirit as both comics for sale posts and some past net events. I've learned that due to a desire to increase sales on SUICIDE SQUID, DC would be willing to license the rights to do a Suicide Squid t-shirt for a minmal sum. I'd visualize such a shirt as having the SS logo and a drawing of SS with each of his 10 tentacles holding a different method of suicide. Ones which I'd swipe from the 8 ways to kill Morris the cat SNL bit would include a gun, knife, hanging, slit wrist, alcohol/pills, and gas. In recognition of r.a.c.'s discussion of SS, I'd also include a welder's torch or flamethrower. :-) However, before going with this, I need some information/help. First off, I'm open to suggestions for three more ways that SS can be living up to his name. Second, please send me *email* (*don't post!*) if you'd be interested in buying such a shirt. Also include what size, and how much you'd be willing to pay (including postage). The last is to determine if it'd be economically feasible to go through with the process; I'm afraid that Suicide Squid is something of an esoteric and limited taste. =================================================================== = From: lewandow@sabertooth.CS.WISC.EDU (Gary Lewandowski) = Message-ID: <1991May8.142335.28540@spool.cs.wisc.edu> In <1991May7.751.11033@canrem.uucp> donald.simmons@canrem.uucp (donald simmons) writes: > I just noticed a MAJOR mistake on the cover of the Emerald Dawn >trade paperback, a collection of all six issues of the original Green >Lantern Emerald Dawn miniseries. It shows Hal in costume, flying thru >the air, NOT WEARING HIS RING! His fists are held up in front of him >and all his fingers are clearly visible. Unless he has taken to >wearing the ring on his thumb, someone goofed badly! Actually, this is just a hint of the major revelation which will soon be unfolding in the Green Lantern series. Spoilers: It turns out, the Green Lanterns don't really need the rings after all. It's just a mental block making them think they need the ring. The Guardians search out beings who have the incredible willpower needed to do all these fantastic things, give them the ring and convince them that they need it. It's a good way to control the most powerful beings in the universe. (The story is, Hal Jordan figures it out when he remembers that he actually saved himself from death in a plane crash by flying out.) Now I'm curious about Flubby -- that throwaway character in an early issue of Suicide Squid who claimed to have been a Green Lantern for three days before the guardians took the ring back. Maybe he's pretty powerful after all. =================================================================== = From: wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald) = Message-ID: <1991May9.113740.5580@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> In article <91128.160012MJT114@psuvm.psu.edu> MJT114@psuvm.psu.edu writes: >In article <1991May8.142335.28540@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, >lewandow@sabertooth.CS.WISC.EDU (Gary Lewandowski) says: >> >>Spoilers: >>It turns out, the Green Lanterns don't really need the rings after >>all.... > >I sincerely hope you forgot to add a smiley to this post. If this >information is true, this is the most abominable retcon ever >attempted... How can anyone take seriously a posting that concludes with information on Suicide Squid? I rather like the idea of posters contributing to SS continuity rather than polluting the net with smileys. So, when do we get to see the "Dream of a Thousand Cephalopods" issue of Sandman? =================================================================== = From: rod@mks.com (Rod Currie) = Message-ID: <1991May9.153132.6351@mks.com> Hi folks: I was just wondering if anyone could tell me more about Alonzo Mori, the current writer on DC's Suicide Squid? Is he the first of what will become known as the "Italian Invasion"? What else has he written? In my opinion, Mori is the best comics writer in the business today. His "Amid Swimmers' Night Dreams" issue was fantastic and no doubt inspired Gaiman's somewhat inferior homage to the Shakespearean classic. After all, who can forget Duck's last speech: "If we, shad, have offended ..." Actually, that's all I can remember right now, since I am posting from work and do not have my issue at hand. Can anyone else remember how the rest of this speech went? Wonderful stuff! Rod =================================================================== = From: kens@decitd.css.itd.umich.edu (Ken Small) = Message-ID: <1991May10.075520.14746@engin.umich.edu> In article <1991May9.113740.5580@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald) writes: > >So, when do we get to see the "Dream of a Thousand Cephalopods" issue >of Sandman? I think that scheduled for August, which DC has made a sort-of "Suicide Squid" month; they're releasing the collector's pin then, and releasing "The Greatest Squid Stories Ever Told" which reprints some of Squiddy's Golden Age, Silver Age stories, the mid-80's miniseries (which was disappointing, really) and a "new" origin story which explains some of the glitches between the GA and SA Squiddy and the modern one. There may be a poster of SS too. We can only hope! =================================================================== = From: jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) = Message-ID: <1991May10.144726.15877@watdragon.waterloo.edu> BTW, does anyone have a Canonical List of Dangling Plotlines for Suicide Squid? If so, could they post it? So, do you figure Clarice will tell Alonzo about her 'operation' before or after the wedding? I have to admit *I* was surprised by the Truth about Alonzo issue, but it made perfect sense. Anyone else catch the 'Twin Peaks' in-joke? =================================================================== = From: mkelly@frumpy.helios.nd.edu (Mike Kelly) = Message-ID: <1991May10.161728.23013@news.nd.edu> In article <1991May10.144726.15877@watdragon.waterloo.edu> writes: |> BTW, does anyone have a Canonical List of Dangling Plotlines |> for Suicide Squid? If so, could they post it? Well, there is the Aquaman-Suicide Squid Team-up in DC Presents (Ish #?) where-in Aquaman hints that there is something about the SS (other than the obvious irrational fear of halibut) that prevented Ocean Master from taking complete mental control of SS. The Forgotten Heroes one-shot had Dale Dorrance (The Sea Devil) noticing that SS ink defense was genetically curious. I always thought that this was because of SS's intelligence, but this was later retconned in Animal Man Annual number one in which it is hinted that Suiddy is of non-terrestrial origin. Also check out one of the Tales of the Green Lantern Corps annuals... You'll notice a pink GL who curiously resembles the SS. It may have been coincidence or just an in-joke, but it *was* curious. |> So, do you figure Clarice will tell Alonzo about |> her 'operation' before or after the wedding? I have to admit *I* |> was surprised by the Truth about Alonzo issue, but it made |> perfect sense. For me too!! Its about time that one of the big two took a responsible attitude towards one of the most serious issues facing people (and crustaceans ;) today. |> Anyone else catch the 'Twin Peaks' in-joke? Are you talking about editor Art Young's comment about guest colorer Bob LeRose when he referred to him as "filler Bob" or the obvious "She's dead...wrapped in plastic" ? =================================================================== = From: jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) = Message-ID: <1991May10.183514.28477@watdragon.waterloo.edu> In article <1991May10.165652.25973@ariel.unm.edu> bobek@triton.unm.edu (Pisces) writes: (About the Flex Mentallo issue of Doom Patrol) > >I was really bummed when there was no Sea Monkeys. I always wanted >to know what the hell they looked like and how you trained them to do >flips.... Ah, you lucky devil. Morrison couldn't use the Sea Monkey's because the use of them was already taken by *another* DC title, and DC is fairly careful about not allowing two simultaneous, possibly contradictory uses of a cultural ikon. This year's Suicide Squid Annual will have a back-up story on Sea Monkey farms and just how the little devils *are* trained. I have it on pretty good authority it's a grim little story, and will make Morrison's treatment of animal rights look feeble. =================================================================== = From: rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) = Message-ID: <6374@vela.acs.oakland.edu> In article <1991May10.144726.15877@watdragon.waterloo.edu> jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes: > Anyone else catch the 'Twin Peaks' in-joke? *I* did. =================================================================== = From: stneec@mac.cc.macalstr.edu (Doctor Stomper) = Message-ID: <1991May9.220430.487@mac.cc.macalstr.edu> Can anyone out there in r.a.c.land confirm a rumor I heard recently about a Suicide Squid TPB? I heard that it would be released in November, with a bitchin' Perez cover, including the stories from the first 12 issues of the "modern" run (the one that started back in the early '70s). I hope it's true, those issues are SO hard to find, and I would love it if such a project actually came to fruition... =================================================================== = From: speterse%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren--Ms. Jackson if = you're nasty) = Message-ID: <1991May11.162721.22253@hellgate.utah.edu> In article <1991May10.161728.23013@news.nd.edu> mkelly@frumpy.helios.nd.edu (Mike Kelly) writes: >Its about time that one of the big two took a responsible attitude >towards one of the most serious issues facing people (and crustaceans >;) today. Shame on you! Squids aren't crustaceans, they're molluscs! (On the other hand, I do realize that many of the golden age books weren't very scientifically accurate. If it turns out that the original SS really was a crustacean, please accept my heartfelt apologies. I never read the old stories, and I hope that DC gets around to reprinting them soon.) =================================================================== = From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy) = Message-ID: <1991May12.002719.29259@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> You know, I am really trying very hard not to take any of this Suicide Squid stuff seriously, but you guys talk about it so much! It is getting really hard for me to distinguish between "reality", comics, + nonexistence. So what should I do? Listen to my brain ("If it was real, you would have heard of it before"), or trust my inborn stillborn heightened mutant adamantium senses ("It sure smells like a squid")? Maybe I better check with Friendly Frank... =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <9105121649.AA22109@dip.eecs.umich.edu> In article <1991May9.220430.487@mac.cc.macalstr.edu> stneec@mac.cc.macalstr.edu (Doctor Stomper) writes: >Can anyone out there in r.a.c.land confirm a rumor I heard recently >about a Suicide Squid TPB? I heard that it would be released in >November, with a bitchin' Perez cover,... I'm afraid you've fallen victim to a nasty little typo. While it was natural for sources to assume that there was a typo in the cover description and figure that it really meant a Perez cover, it actually is exactly what the DC description states that it is. Namely, a Prez cover. Yes, finally the long lost Prez-Suicide Squid crossover from Cancelled Comics Calvacade #3 will be seen by a wide audience. Of additional interest is that it's a continuation from the Prez-Supergirl crossover from Supergirl #10 and so Kara will make what amounts to her final pre-Crisis appearance in the story. I've heard rumors that this was also the true first reappearance of Brother Power, the Geek, but I guess we'll have to wait until it comes out to know for sure. Uh oh, wait a minute...I just noticed that this is being done in conjunction with New England Comics. I wonder if that means that the Prez cover is also a typo, and they really meant a Pez cover. This, of course, would indicate a company crossover between The Tick and Suicide Squid. While I'd really like to see the SS-Prez crossover, I think that Suicide Squid and The Tick would really work well together. =================================================================== = From: khale@dawnstar.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale) = Message-ID: <13182@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> I dont know about the Suicide Squid TPB : however I have heard rumors about a new Suicide Squid limited series. Issue #1 will have 4 separate covers done by George Perez, John Byrne, Frank Miller and Neal Adams. Also, each cover will have a different color combination for Suicide Squid's tentacles. The colors will also glow in the dark. Finally, the story inside will have 3 different plotter/scripter combination Combo 1 : plot = Alan Moore : script = Neil Gaiman Combo 2 : plot = Neil Gaiman : script = Alan Moore Combo 3 : plot = Moore and Gaiman : script = Done together, with each contributing alternate words to dialogue. The storyline is ( possible spoilers) : Suicide Squid believed himself to be a human turned into a squid by a shift of the cosmic axis and trapped in a world he never made. This story retcons that away. Apparently SS's old nemesis Major Farce has captured him. In his other identity Farce owns a chinese seafood restaurant in Silicon Valley. Farce hires an underling ( later revealed to be Aquaman's brother Orm, the Ocean master ) to dissect SS and serve him in the form of stir fried squid in the restaurant. As Orm dissects him, he realizes that SS is actually a space born alien elemental and was never a human. The story is called "The Gastronomy Lesson" : neat story if a bit gruesome at times, which accounts for the Mature Readers Label. Later issues will reveal that SS was actually born when Krona attempted to look back and see the beginning of the Universe, billions of years ago. In an attempt to right that cosmic wrong, SS was born to fight for truth, justice and the coelentrate way. For a while he was a member of the GL corps, he had a ring for each tentacle which ( along with his superior will power) made him the most powerful member of the Corps. Eventually, he was partly depowered and robbed of his memory by Galactus and ended up on Earth in the 1950's. That was the begining of the Golden Age Suicide Squid. I cant wait for this series. =================================================================== = From: weiner@bnlls1.nsls.bnl.gov (Gary Weiner) = Message-ID: <1991May14.025612.4604@bnlux1.bnl.gov> I heard it was supposed to be cyberpunk-style future story, with all the art being computer generated ala Digital Justice. I think it's going to be called Cyber-Cephalopod. I think squiddy will be called Suicide SQUID (sequential quantum interference detector) and will hunt down a psychotic limpet who has become a computer virus. John Byrne is going to write, edit, draw, ink, pencil, letter, color, run the printing presses, deliver the books and sell them. He was complaining in th latest CBG that he still doesn't get enough control over his work. =================================================================== = From: carols@world.std.com (Carol Springs) = Message-ID: <1991May13.000953.16886@world.std.com> In article <1991May9.153132.6351@mks.com> rod@mks.com (Rod Currie) writes: > "If we, shad, have offended ..." > > Actually, that's all I can remember right now, since I am >posting from work and do not have my issue at hand. Can anyone >else remember how the rest of this speech went? Wonderful stuff! I looked it up this weekend: If we, shad, have offended, String us up, for sushi blended, For you have but stumbled here While night-fishing off the pier. Though my quacking idle seem, Though these shoals with horrors teem, Swimmers, you'll not drown tonight: We shall fish you from your plight (For, see, I am a hardy Duck) If we have a gill of luck. Having scraped sea-serpents' tongues, We will make amends to lungs; Else the Duck a flier call: So, wet dreams unto you all. Grab on my wings, if you see how, And Bob to shore shall pull you now. I second the recommendation of Mori -- he treads dangerous waters sometimes, but he always finds a fresh angle on things. =================================================================== = From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy) = Message-ID: <1991May13.042541.27659@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> Abhihit Khale said: "...I dont know about the Suicide Squid TPB : however I have heard rumors about a new Suicide Squid limited series. ... The storyline is ( possible spoilers)..." -- I really must protest. Those were definitely full blown spoilers and required a ^L to protect the innocent. Be more careful in the future. =================================================================== = From: morpheus@yvonne.caltech.edu (Dream of the Endless) = Message-ID: <1991May13.181648.19065@nntp-server.caltech.edu> Monarch is... Suicide Squid, of course! =================================================================== = From: bobek@triton.unm.edu (Pisces) = Message-ID: <1991May13.193716.5978@ariel.unm.edu> OK, remember when we couldn't decide on a Mascot for R.A.C.? and that the spelling of Raccoon would be racist? If we get a Suicide Squid t-shirt, he could be our Mascot to recognize other R.A.C.'ists... er R.A.C.'ers. when we are at Conventions, hitch-hiking on the road to Tallahasse, walking around our various College campuses... Price will be problably 10 to 12 dollars for each t-shirt, with postage, depending on the style and color. We could also throw in the Campus Crusade for Cthulhu t-shirts (with glow in the dark tendrils) as an extra batch. All we would need is a appropriate picture.; I Suggest our Kamikazii Cephalopod swinging two samurai sword (you know, the Wakitoffi and the Whatitsnamey) with a blooming parachite in the background. Or maybe a flaming parachute in the background... Yeah, that's the ticket! =================================================================== = From: djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes) = Message-ID: <6412@pbhyc.PacBell.COM> In article <1991May12.002719.29259@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy) writes: >It is getting really hard for me to distinguish between "reality", > comics, + nonexistence. So what should I do? I'll tell you what to do: believe me. Suicide Squid is *real*. Trust me. Have you ever been lied to by a six-foot cockroach? =================================================================== = From: vnend@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (D. W. James) = Message-ID: <9739@idunno.Princeton.EDU> Once. But then a 200 foot tall giant stepped on it. =================================================================== = From: bobek@triton.unm.edu (Pisces) = Message-ID: <1991May21.150049.7168@ariel.unm.edu> Wasn't that a 200 ft giant PENGUIN that stepped on it? =================================================================== = From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew) = Message-ID: <9105141807.AA25226@gizmo.frame.com> Mike Kelly (mkelly@frumpy.helios.nd.edu) writes: > >The Forgotten Heroes one-shot... Which I judiciously avoided, because it wasn't written by Grant Morrisson (who was writing the main book at the time, as you'll recall). You know, the same reason that I won't by the X-Men (and such) annuals this year. If it isn't written by someone normally associated with the series, the odds are slim that it will either fit in with continuity, or be any good. Much less both. Of course, I can't stand Mignola's artwork, either, which helped me avoid it. >For me too!! Its about time that one of the big two took a >responsible attitude towards one of the most serious issues >[Clarice's transsexual status, and "her" relatinship with Alonzo] >facing people (and crustaceans ;) today. Suicide Squid is a mollusk, Mike. =================================================================== = From: HF.SLK@forsythe.stanford.edu (Stewart Kramer) = Message-ID: <1991May14.183951.548@morrow.stanford.edu> In article <9105141807.AA25226@gizmo.frame.com>, jrd@frame.com (James Drew) writes: > >Suicide Squid is a mollusk, Mike. I think the word he wanted was "cephalopod" (a kind of mollusk). But all those aquatic animal groupings start to sound the same after a while, you know, so I really couldn't say fer shure. =================================================================== = From: mkelly@bashful.helios.nd.edu (Mike Kelly) = Message-ID: <1991May14.190621.2307@news.nd.edu> Ok...everyone is being so clever about my quip about crustaceans...i.e. "Squids are Mollusks" ad infinitum, perhaps if you guys would have bought the latest issue (or any of the last five issues) you would know that Alonzo is Squiddy's cigar-chomping Lobster companion. Squiddy took a back seat this issue and only made a cameo appearance on page 5, and then only by name. I'm surprised nobody mentioned the take off of the Captain Atom cover (iss 11?) namely "Suicide Squid DOES NOT Appear in this Comic Book!". I assume this is why some of you may not have picked up this issue and might have missed the subtle point about Alonzo. Oh, just in case ... ****flame off***** =================================================================== = From: rjcurrie@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (Rod Currie) = Message-ID: <1991May15.045206.7348@watdragon.waterloo.edu> Actually, I hate to be picky but "The Truth About Alonzo" issue revealed that Alonzo is actually an alien creature from Tau Ceti IV who just happens to look like a lobster. I suspect this may tie into the new cosmic origin for Squiddy from the upcoming miniseries that someone mentioned a while back. Also, for you Northern Exposure fans out there, did you notice that the two female Alaskan King (Queen?) Crabs that appeared in the latest issue were named Cicely and Rosalyn? =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <519233deb.000b097@caen.engin.umich.edu> [Responding to the R.A.C. comics poll for April '91] Of course, what really puts the poll in question is a glaring lack of any responses which mentioned collecting Suicide Squid, although that vastly inferior spin/ripoff Suicide Squad got 10 mentions. C'mon people, you're going to lose your memberships in Captain MidAtlantic's Secret Suicide Squidron if you don't show your support for the book. Don't let the way DC has been doing a total retcon every issue steer you away...it just provides all the more fodder for discussion here. =================================================================== = From: morpheus@nntp-server.caltech.edu (Dream of the Endless) = Message-ID: <1991May15.055436.5798@nntp-server.caltech.edu> Fess up, how many others of us were expecting to see Suicide Squid at the top of the list? :) =================================================================== = From: rod@mks.com (Rod Currie) = Message-ID: <1991May14.191916.12425@mks.com> In article <1991May14.025612.4604@bnlux1.bnl.gov> weiner@bnlls1.UUCP (Gary Weiner) writes: > > I heard it was supposed to be cyberpunk-style future story... Sigh! Yet another example of the powers-that-be in the comics industry not knowing when to leave well enough alone. The original Suicide Squid was a little-known book with a slavish cult following that lasted until some bigwig at National Periodicals (as DC was called in those days) decided that they only needed one water-based superhero and he liked Aquaman better. Squiddy was skewered and never really reappeared (except for a couple of brief cameos in Earth-two stories in the 60s) until the 1970's series done by Denny O'Neill and Neal Adams. Although somewhat derivative of their Green Lantern/Green Arrow work, O'Neill and Adams took Squiddy to new heights with his cross-country quest to save America's waterways. Then the DC Implosion hit and the series disappeared without a trace, leaving Squid-lovers everywhere wondering about the outcome of our hero's confrontration with Vandal Savage who was masquerading as the head of the Omega Corporation, the conglomerate that Squiddy had determined was behind 88% of America's water pollution. Dedicated SS fans demanded a conclusion to the tale and eventually DC announced that such a wrap-up would be part of an upcoming Byrne-Chaykin SS miniseries. Well, we waited and waited and waited. And finally, three years after DC first solicited the series, it arrived. And the wrap-up was there, if you call "Several years after the battle with Vandal Savage that nearly cost him his life ..." a wrap-up. The really unfortunate thing about this series is that the powers-that-be at DC would not permit Roy Thomas to include the GA Squiddy in All-Star Squadron for fear of confusing readers. And this was pre-crisis, for Christ's sake! I guess readers could handle infinite earths but not two squids. Then came Crisis and 50 years of continuity was tossed into a blender with the lid off. Actually, Squiddy came off better than most; the only major change to his continuity was the claim that the same mysterious magic dolphin that gave him his sentience and his powers also granted him an extremely long life. When asked why Suicide Squid was allowed to keep his continuity intact while so many more major characters had theirs thrown out with the bath water, Marv Wolfman admitted that it was reprints of the original Squiddy tales that had first turned him on to comics. This brings us to the current Suicide Squid series, the one by Alonzo Mori (who apparently based the Alonzo character in the book on himself except I doubt that Mori is from Tau Ceti IV, although it might explain a couple of things about his writing style), in which Squiddy has finally been taken back to the fun-loving environmentalist he was in the forties. Mori gives the series a satiric edge that brings out the best in its title character. From its jabs at everything from Shakespeare to Saddam Hussein to its inciteful treatment of such issues as transexualism and alien rights, his Suicide Squid has always been a cut above other comics. Attempts by other writers such as Gaiman and Morrison to imitate Mori's style have been largely unsuccessful with the possible exception of Morrison's Flex Mentallo story although we will have to wait for the sea monkey tale in the annual to see how this compares to Mori. =================================================================== = From: twhite@mozart.amd.com (Tom White) = Message-ID: <1991May15.155249.4573@dvorak.amd.com> In article <1991May14.025612.4604@bnlux1.bnl.gov> weiner@bnlls1.UUCP (Gary Weiner) writes: > > I heard it was supposed to be cyberpunk-style future story... > John Byrne is going to write, edit, draw, ink, pencil, letter, >color, run the printing presses, deliver the books and sell them. He >was complaining in th latest CBG that he still doesn't get enough >control over his work. Didn't you know? He had a dispute with himself over the staples and quit the project, once again returning to his Ivory Mansion in Westport. (geez, this thread is really getting annoying...) =================================================================== = From: wombat@infinite.abo.dec.com (Christopher M. Conway) = Message-ID: <3148@shodha.enet.dec.com> What *I* want to know is if there is any more info out there about the Suicide Squid movie. Last I heard, the script was in for its 43rd rewrite, this time by Umberto Eco. God, but that 42nd rewrite stunk! They totally changed Squiddy's motivations. And how about the casting? I'm sorry, but the idea of Matthew Broderick playing Our Hero makes me ILL! I have to admit, though, that casting Dustin Hoffman as the female and Julie Andrews as the male side of Alonzo's various transformations was a stroke of pure genius. =================================================================== = From: jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) = Message-ID: <1991May15.174538.3292@watdragon.waterloo.edu> Don't hold your breath waiting. With the current downswing in the economy, I think production on SS:TM will be defered until at least 1992, maybe 1993, although if the Rocketeer brings in big bucks, I could be wrong. However! There was a late '50s B&W movie version of Suicide Squid (Originally for TV, but the idea of the word 'Suicide' in the title of what TV moguls saw as a kiddies program made the execs go pale). It is *hard* to find copies, but not impossible. I last saw one at the 86 Worldcon (And no, it isn't for sale). You'd be amazed which now-famous actors and actresses were in this little epic... =================================================================== = From: wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald) = Message-ID: <1991May15.195738.17162@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> In article <3148@shodha.enet.dec.com> you write: >What *I* want to know is if there is any more info out there about >the Suicide Squid movie. Last I heard, the script was in for its 43rd >rewrite, this time by Umberto Eco. God, but that 42nd rewrite stunk! >They totally changed Squiddy's motivations. Sorry, the Eco version ("Suicide Squid: Sushi and Semiotics") was trashed some time last month. Then again, if you didn't like the previous version, I suspect you'd have given up on this one by the time you reached the first monologue on the relation of text and squid ink. =================================================================== = From: conty@cbnewsl.att.com (Enrique Conty) = Message-ID: <1991May15.194950.23307@cbnewsl.att.com> In article <1991May15.174538.3292@watdragon.waterloo.edu>, jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes: > > However! There was a late '50s B&W movie version of Suicide >Squid (Originally for TV, but the idea of the word 'Suicide' in the >title of what TV moguls saw as a kiddies program made the execs go >pale). It is *hard* to find copies, but not impossible. I last saw >one at the 86 Worldcon (And no, it isn't for sale). Are you sure? I remember seeing a copy in the video store. Then again, it could be a bootleg, as the cover art was done with a magic marker on a piece of cardboard attached to the plastic box. >You'd be amazed which now-famous actors and actresses were in this >little epic... You would be indeed (heheheh). P.S. You forgot to mention the proposed SS TV cartoon show. The way I heard it, the original concept was scrapped, but Hanna-Barbera proceeded with what they had, and ended up with what is known today as (get this) Squiddly Diddly(*). If my source was telling the truth, this would have been the first humorous superhero TV show, predating the Batman TV series by a couple of years. (*) which nicely gets us back to Tom Galloway's post from so many moons ago, regarding a possible connection between SS and SD. =================================================================== = From: rod@mks.com (Rod Currie) = Message-ID: <1991May15.204459.11948@mks.com> In article <3148@shodha.enet.dec.com> wombat@nfinit.enet.dec.com writes: >casting Dustin Hoffman as the female and Julie Andrews as the male >side of Alonzo's various transformations was a stroke of pure genius. I assume you mean Clarice's transformations. Clarice is the transexual in the book. Alonzo is the alien who looks like a lobster. Of course, they may have changed this. I haven't seen a copy of the script since the 15th rewrite. I agree with you about Matthew Broderick playing Squiddy. I always pictured Sean Connery in the role (The Squid has been fighting crime for almost 50 years and was certainly an adult when he started.) I believe Broderick was signed way back when they were going to go with Sam Hamm's script. You know, the one that started with Squiddy and Alonzo failing to save hostages at the Statue of Liberty and then taking off for a spring break vacation in Fort Lauterdale. =================================================================== = From: morpheus@truebalt.caltech.edu (Dream of the Endless) = Message-ID: <1991May15.204711.3859@nntp-server.caltech.edu> I noticed a glaring omission in the recently-released DC Atlas, a Mayfair Games suppliment for the DC Heroes roleplaying game... No Squiddy Stats! So... --------------------------------------------------------------------- SUICIDE SQUID Dex 4 Str 8 Body 9 Int 4 Will 8 Mind 7 Infl 6 Aura 4 Spirit 4 Init 14 (16 underwater) Hero points 90 Powers: Analytical Smell/Tracking Scent: 6 Claws (beak): 7 Danger Sense (squidsense): 8 Darkness (ink): 10 Extra Limb (tentacles): 9 (x10) Gliding: 2 Growth: 5 Invulnerability: 15 Mind Field: 5 Regeneration: 4 Sealed Systems: 9 Speak with Animals: 10 Stretching: 2 Swimming: 7 Time Travel: 15 Water Freedom: 6 Skills: Animal Handling: 4 Scientist: 2 Vehicles (sea): 4 Limitations: Analytical Smell and Darkness only function underwater Growth is always on Speak with Animals only functions with marine life Advantages: AK: San Diego Harbor Connection: Aquaman (low) Silent Assistant (Clarice) Drawbacks: Serious Fear of Sushi Chefs Mistrust Catastrophic Physical Restrictions (he's a squid) Strange Appearance Unluck Loss Vulnerability, all powers and physical attributes, when out of water for more than 9 APs of time (his rank of Sealed Systems) Wealth: 0 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Enjoy! =================================================================== = From: cse4a004@eve.wright.edu (JOHN BLACKWELL) = Message-ID: <1991May15.171121.31024@eve.wright.edu> In article <9105141807.AA25226@gizmo.frame.com> jrd@frame.com (James Drew) writes: >>For me too!! Its about time that one of the big two took a >>responsible attitude towards one of the most serious issues >>[Clarice's transsexual status, and "her" relatinship with Alonzo] >>facing people (and crustaceans ;) today. > >Suicide Squid is a mollusk, Mike. > A mullusexual? =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991May16.050755.24389@zip.eecs.umich.edu> I've just sent out mail to those who indicated either to me or Bob Kelly an interest in buying a Suicide Squid t-shirt. If you didn't get it, and would possibly be interested getting one, please send me email. There's enough interest that it looks like I'll be able to get the rights from DC to do this shirt. If interested, please include how much you'd be willing to pay (including postage), and if you'll be offnet during the summer, a snailmail address where you can be reached, and what size you'd like. "Suicide Squid...lives...but...for...how long?!...How long?" "Damn it Jim, I'm a doctor, not a sushi chef" "Th' tentacles, they nae can take much more of this!" "Fasinating...since it has no shoulders, the Vulcan nerve pinch is ineffective" "Suicide Squid was inwented in Mother Russia" --Dialogue from Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Squid =================================================================== = From: wombat@infinite.abo.dec.com (Christopher M. Conway) = Message-ID: <3154@shodha.enet.dec.com> In article <1991May15.204459.11948@mks.com>, rod@mks.com (Rod Currie) writes: - I assume you mean Clarice's transformations. How stupid of me. Of course I meant Clarice. All those rewrites are beginning to fog my brain. Sean Connery would be okay. But I'd really like to see Clint Eastwood do it. I mean, I can see it now-- "Go ahead-- make my day" as he points a gun to *his own head*, knowing that the .44 automag bullet would do relatively little damage to himself, but would get the Evil Wolverclam who's hiding in the building next to him, holding Clarice hostage.... =================================================================== = From: faber@cs.wisc.edu (Ted) = Message-ID: <1991May16.180532.6339@spool.cs.wisc.edu> In article <1991May16.012706.11340@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, brackney@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Larry J Brackney) writes: > >Does anyone know if and when Mage II - The Hero Defined will be >released? I read the interlude story in Grendel, but that's been >quite a while ago. I hope the project hasn't been shelved >permanently! Although some people think that the endless delays on this project are due simply to Comico's recent fiscal problems and attendent legal problems with Matt getting the rights, now the truth can be told. Matt is trying to get the rights to Suicide Squid so that he can do a cameo. In the same way that Captain Marvel was the unsung hero that Kevin was cast in the mold of in The Hero Discovered, Squiddy will be the hero he knowingly emulates in The Hero Defined. ... =================================================================== = From: tlynch@nntp-server.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) = Message-ID: <1991May16.190112.14020@nntp-server.caltech.edu> You know, with all the talk of Suicide Squid lately (cameos in other books, graphic novels, T-shirts, movies...), I'm surprised no one's mentioned the appearance SS made in the infamous January 26 episode of "Twin Peaks"... =================================================================== = From: dave@hamblin.math.byu.edu (David L. Carlson) = Message-ID: <1991May16.183040.25721@hamblin.math.byu.edu> So what is this Suicide Squid comic. My dealer doesn't know about it and it doesn't appear in his latest Guide. Who puts it out and how many issues, etc. =================================================================== = From: wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald) = Message-ID: <1991May16.220225.18995@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> I knew someone would be asking this sooner or later. If anyone wants the (thus far) collected information on Suicide Squid, I've made them available for anonymous ftp (in slightly edited form) on theory.lcs.mit.edu in file pub/wald/suicide-squid. Yes, I will be trying to keep this up to date. Corrections are welcome. Enjoy. =================================================================== = From: nm0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Neil Justin McCarthy) = Message-ID: This would be a good time to remind everybody to read "Tlon, Uqbar, Orbus Tertius" by Jorge Luis Borges for an analogous case of created reality. Just trying to be helpful... ;-) .....not. :-( =================================================================== = From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) = Message-ID: <42186@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> Well, the latest issue of _Suicide Squid_ is out! Spoilers ahead: Mori's detour into suspense and psychological horror concludes in this issue. I thought it was *brilliantly* done. The serial killer at Marine World turns out to be the Orthodox Jewish animal psychologist, Hannibal Ector. Clarice is revealed as a former FBI agent; is this a retcon? My favorite single scene was when Ector was about to cook and eat the unconscious SS, and Clarice points out that squid meat is not kosher. Also, Clarice's personal reminiscences about her childhood as a pearl diver, which led into the title image: "The Silence of the Clams". The fill-in artist, Unagiko Sakanaumi, did a bang-up job. Especially good was her use of unusual "camera angles". She also did an excellent job conveying the dark, moody atmosphere of the disused aquarium where Ector held SS and Clarice. It's rumored that she's going to become the new regular penciller; I for one can only hope it's true. Grade: A- Incidentally, according to the latest _Amazing Heroes_, Hanna-Barbera is considering a new lineup of shows: the _Suicide Squid Action Afternoon_. There's going to be _Suicide Squid Undersea Adventures_, _Immature Biohazardous Black-Belt Tuna_, _Emergency Rescue Force:Sea Cucumbers_, _Darkfin Shark_, and _Tentacle Tales_. If the movie is successful, this series is a shoo-in. Unfortunately, I hear that they're abandoning the comic-book continuity and setting up wholly different characters (a la _TMNT_). =================================================================== = From: bgo@ucsee.Berkeley.EDU (byron c go) = Message-ID: <1991May17.105643.15803@agate.berkeley.edu> In article <42186@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes: > The fill-in artist, Unagiko Sakanaumi, did a bang-up job. What I want to know is what kind of mean parents would name their child Unagiko. Other than that, I was indeed impressed with the issue. Let's hope Sakanaumi does more of these fill-ins soon. =================================================================== = From: conty@cbnewsl.att.com (Enrique Conty) = Message-ID: <1991May17.151715.3517@cbnewsl.att.com> In article <42186@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU>, goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes: > >Well, the latest issue of _Suicide Squid_ is out! Spoilers ahead: Not anymore! [review deleted] > Incidentally, according to the latest _Amazing Heroes_, > Hanna-Barbera is considering a new lineup of shows:... Aaarrghh!! It's Squiddly Diddly all over again!! =================================================================== = From: pfeiffer@herve.cs.wisc.edu (Phil Pfeiffer) = Message-ID: <1991May18.073138.6318@spool.cs.wisc.edu> ... the Squid: It's 2:20 am. Enlightenment (in the form of a severe blow to the head) hath struck. I've read enough postings about the Titan of Tentacles, the Caped Cephalopodic Crusader, to hazard a guess about the challenges that the Squid will confront in the months to come. Spoilers follow the phony control-L: ^L In the next few months, watch for appearances by the Shadow Cid, the Iraq Nid, the Black Wid, Mr. Id (of course, of course), Vera Alldid, Billy the Kid, the MTVid, the Childproof Lid, the Ten-Game Skid, and the Shutout Bid (a nefarious device that prevents Squiddy from slamming the opposition). Not to mention the plebeians. ** --- Phil Pfeiffer [ ... and now, back to the thesis, which is making about as much sense as this thread of discussion ... ] ** - "Veto means, 'I forbid', and that is what the plebeians did." -- long-forgotten intro text on world history. =================================================================== = From: stneec@mac.cc.macalstr.edu (Doctor Stomper) = Message-ID: <1991May17.131750.544@mac.cc.macalstr.edu> Hmm, from the looks of things, there are just enough people out there who have not been enlightened by exposure to our favorite cephalopod that we might want to consider adding Suicide Squid info to the FAQ list that goes out each month. That way, even the neophytes may be introduced into the wonders of r.a.c's favorite invertibrate... =================================================================== = From: 2hnefairy@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Rob Woodard) = Message-ID: <1991May18.152037.30901@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Then again, maybe they should be left blissfully ignorant...I know I wish I was... So, when are y'all going to do Suicide Squid vs. The Swedish Sushi Chef Prestige Format Limited Series? Weirdness rules... =================================================================== = From: mkelly@bashful.helios.nd.edu (Mike Kelly) = Message-ID: <1991May18.185747.24447@news.nd.edu> Miracleman #18 :... Retrival * 2 Not much, except some glimpses into infra-space. We see lots of bodies (all alien, including one in the second panl that looks decidely squiddish -I'm *not* joking!!)... =================================================================== = From: mfterman@tan.Princeton.EDU (Mutant for Hire) = Message-ID: <9677@idunno.Princeton.EDU> I'm back! For those who were wondering what happened to last week's reviews, I was busy trying to pass my qualifier exams this week. I did, so now I have free time to write reviews and plan to go to the San Diego Comic Con. Anyone who is also going and has a room opening for me to crash at, send email. Anyways, on with the reviews. Reviewed 5/18/91: Colour of Magic #3 Dirty Pair III #4 Mister E #1 Suicide Squid Annual #2 Vampire Companion #2 ... Suicide Squid Annual #2 Publisher: DZ Comics Writer: Myron Victor Artist: Sam Simeon Writing: ** Artwork: *** So what is the evil secret behind the Sea Monkeys? What was the true fate of the Titanic? And how do those lobsters at those fancy restaurants feel as their potential eaters stare at them? All of that is revealed in this annual, which has to be the best Armageddon 1999 crossover ever seen. For those of you who aren't familiar with the concept, the fact is that Suicide Squid accidentally landed on a defective vacuum cleaner was sucked forwards into time. As the cleaner sucked him ahead year by year, the writer having written himself into a corner, was so desperate to send him back that he blew up the nuclear waste dumps on the moon in order to reverse the flow on the vacuum cleaner. This explosion knocked the moon out of orbit where it had a series of strange adventures. Anyways, one of the people on the moon realizing that they were wearing silly outfits and even more insipid plots has vowed to go back in time and try to reverse the horrible series of evens. Hence the current attempt to prevent Suicide Squid from being sucked into the vacuum cleaner. Suicide Squid himself is busy going on the talk show circuit promoting his new message "Just Say NO to Sushi". He is quickly attacked by a rampaging mob of yuppies desperate to cling to their old shallow and superficial values. Suicide Squid quickly detonates a bomb underneath his belt buckle and kills himself and everyone else in the room. However the yuppies managed to grab Alonzo, thinking that the alien was actually a lobster who would be simply smashing in a rich sauce. SS chases them into the oceans when suddenly he is attacked by a hoard of Sea Monkeys. He and Clarice are quickly overpowered and are taken to the evil Witch of the North by Northwest, who has her castle situated between the Twin Peaks. The Witch demands that SS give up the ruby truss that he is wearing. Naturally SS refuses on the grounds that the truss is in fact the only way he can control his tentacles ever since they were overpowered by the evil clone of Bean Hill Influence Lad. Meanwhile Alonzo is sitting in the tank of water about to be eaten by the evil yuppies. He sits confidently waiting for Suicide Squid to show up and save the day. Instead Alonzo is quickly eaten by the yuppies and has a powerful if somewhat pointless death scene. The real surprise is the romance that develops between Clarice and the Witch, since I wasn't sure that DZ would do this sort of relationship except off camera. Frankly the panel with the kiwi fruit and the vacuum cleaner was a real surprise, and makes me wonder how this title managed to avoid the Mature Audiences label. Suicide Squid bravely battling his way through the Sea Monkeys manages to find the secret beanie that the Witch uses to control the Monkeys and allows her to sell them into slavery in all those comic book ads. The beanie interacts badly with his truss and the two suddenly explode, propelling SS into the bedroom where Clarice and the Witch are enjoying the kiwi fruit. SS then lands on the vacuum cleaner and is promptly sucked into the future. At this point the whole comic turns around and reveals that the entire issue has been a dream by Alonzo in the tank just before he is about to be boiled by the yuppies. At this point Deus Ex Machina Man makes his appearances and saves Alonzo, informing him that SS and Clarice are safe, SS having shouted "There's no place like Nome." Nome of course being the current location of the totally secret Suicide Squid base. Which leaves the problem of how Deus knew that, but then there's a lot about Deus that remains a mystery. Of course, the issue does leave a little hazy how much of the story with the Wicked Witch of the NNW actually happened, whether there is going to be any continuing of the relationship between Clarice and the Witch, and the status of the Sea Monkeys. Also the possibility of the moon being knocked out of orbit in 1999 is still unknown. In terms of the metaplot its a rather vague, and in fact I really can't see the point to the entire issue. On the other hand, the artwork is gorgeous, with large painted pictures. Granted, most comic book collectors will shudder at the thought of having to store the 11" x 18" book, but some of the panorama shots are marvelous. The writing is fairly good in the short scenes, and Myron can really do a sweaty sensual scene, but lets face it, there isn't much Shakespeare in a Suicide Squid comic. Not to mention the ending being ripped off from Ambrose Bierce, though this isn't the first issue that's had this problem. Highly recommended though I'd advise everyone to stay away from the Armageddon 1999 storyline otherwise. "Beware for the seaweed of crime bears bitter salads!!!" =================================================================== = From: lsmith@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Spyder" Smith) = Message-ID: <1991May19.042217.5697@cs.umn.edu> One of my friends with more eclectic tastes than my own showed me a parody of Suicide Squid called something like Careless Cuttlefish or Careless Calamari. I didn't pay much attention at the time, but with all this interest in SS I thought it might be worth picking up. The humor was somewhat clumsy so I think it might have been a Marvel publication. Anyone care to admit reading this? =================================================================== = From: sksircar@shade.Princeton.EDU (Subrata Sircar) = Message-ID: <9759@idunno.Princeton.EDU> mfterman@tan.Princeton.EDU (Mutant for Hire) writes: >Anyways, one of the people on the moon realizing that they were >wearing silly outfits and even more insipid plots... The Annual confirms the rumor about the Suicide Squid TPB; namely, that it will have a Pez cover and the crossover is with the Tick. Only the Tick could have realized that since his suit had no pockets, only pocket protectors, that the insidipification of the plot was imminent. He then uses a handy map, several Pez dispensers, the Dewey Decimal system and a handy straw to deduce the existence of the causal odds from the horrible series of evens, and heads off to try to prevent the entire universe from crossing over into Ghost Rider and Wolverine. Reportedly, the TPB will focus on the Tick and Squiddy teaming up to calculate the exact square root of pi... >He and Clarice are quickly overpowered and are taken to the evil >Witch of the North by Northwest, who has her castle situated between >the Twin Peaks. When the crop-duster dove from the sky and started chasing Squiddy through the water, I thought he was dead for sure. Just how did they wind up near Mount Rushmore anyway? >At this point Deus Ex Machina Man makes his appearances and saves >Alonzo, informing him that SS and Clarice are safe, SS having shouted >"There's no place like Nome." Since the creative team here are on good terms with Phil Foglio, I shouldn't have been surprised by this resurrection of an old What's New character. One of my favorite bits was the panel with the villain screaming "Let's see your =================================================================== = From: wombat@infinite.abo.dec.com (Christopher M. Conway) = Message-ID: <3186@shodha.enet.dec.com> I seem to recall seeing in the interview with Neil Gaiman earlier this month that he confirmed that Suicide Squid is the Seventh Endless. Can anybody confirm this? It makes a great deal of sense; how many squid have you seen in everyday life since the late 17th Century? I mean, they used to be all over the place-- bankers, bakers, candle-stick makers. Now you only see them in sushi bars and up-scale "nouvelle cuisine" restaurants. Personally, I believe it. Maybe "Suicide Squid" doesn't begin with a D, but it does end with one; which seems somehow appropriate for an Endless who abdicates his duties... =================================================================== = From: bobek@triton.unm.edu (Pisces) = Message-ID: <1991May21.150542.8820@ariel.unm.edu> Subrata writes regarding SSquid Annual: >Since the creative team here are on good terms with Phil Foglio, I >shouldn't have been surprised by this resurrection of an old What's >New character. G R O W L F ! ! ! =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <51b3555db.000b097@caen.engin.umich.edu> This info is from the 1991 DC Retailers Guide as reprinted in Capital City's Internal Correspondence as loaned to me by Second Foundation Bookstore in Chapel Hill (featuring a current employee whose a former netter and a former employee who's a current netter, namely Kevin Maroney and yours truly in that order). ... Lots of Suicide Squid projects. There's the trade paperback with New England Comics, a biography of Mori ("The Calimari Kid"), and a special joint effort prestige one-shot written by Bill Sienkiewicz and Kyle Baker (alternating panels and not discussing the plot beforehand or during) with Baker pencils and Sienkiewicz inks. Also, it's likely that there'll be an adaptation of the pilot for the proposed PBS Suicide Squid series. The promotion section mentions the forthcoming action figure line. A note which I hadn't heard previously is that the Suicide Squid action figure will be able to use regular fountain pen ink cartridges. ... =================================================================== = From: djm2@quads.uchicago.edu (Dan Meltz) = Message-ID: <1991May21.190331.17557@midway.uchicago.edu> Of course this could pose a threat to our favourite tentacled wonder as well as to the free world. Anybody else remember what happens when something that goes "Growlf?!" get hit with WATER!!????? It could change the face of teh planet if one of tehm came to, oh say the PACIFIC OCEAN!! We could be looking at some major ordeal that may lead to some massive retconning. ugghhh. i think it would be more likely if S-Squid were to somehow get teleported to New Hong Kong and meet Buck Godot. It could be a Hell of a story!! =================================================================== = From: mk2r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Paul Krenitsky) = Message-ID: WOW!!! This comic is great, but really hard to understand due to the vast amount of retconning going on. I had to search ten different comic shops to get all the issues, but it was definitely worth it. Thanks to everyone who has been discussing it; now how do I subscribe? Will somebody be posting a Suicide Squid scorecard? I still haven't figured out the references to radioactive kelp..... =================================================================== = From: vnend@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (D. W. James) = Message-ID: <9791@idunno.Princeton.EDU> In article <1991May21.150049.7168@ariel.unm.edu> bobek@triton.unm.edu (Pisces) writes: )Wasn't that a 200 ft giant PENGUIN that stepped on it? Hey, if it is 200 feet tall, I don't care much what species it is. =================================================================== = From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew) = Message-ID: <9105221657.AA02539@gizmo.frame.com> Rod Currie (rod@mks.com) writes: > Then came Crisis [...] Squiddy came off better than most; >[...] the same mysterious magic dolphin that gave him his sentience >and his powers also granted him an extremely long life. "Mysterious magic dolphin?" I smell a Lobo cross-over in the works, I do, I do. (Simon Bisley doing the Squid. Oooh.) =================================================================== = From: brettw@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Brett Watson) = Message-ID: <1991May22.190232.6165@maverick.ksu.ksu.edu> I've been out of the comic scene for years now due to college. I've just bought a Price Guide and started rebagging my 1000+ collection (whew, what a job!). I've seen all the talk about the Suicide Squid and want to start collecting it. Did I hear someone say there was an archive site where I could get a description on what the comic is all about? I don't want someone to bother posting it here which has probably been done a hundred times already. So where can I get some info? Also, my terminology is rusty... what does 'retcon' or 'retconning' mean? (call me stupid) =================================================================== = From: ian@airs.com (Ian Lance Taylor) = Message-ID: <1771@airs.com> To misquote Thurber's wonderful novel _The_Thirteen_Clocks_, the Gollux once told people that there was a treasure buried in a forest. He told so many people that the forest was filled with searchers. After a while, he started searching himself, because he couldn't remember whether he had made up the story about the treasure or not. In the Thurber homage issue (during the short Gold Key run of Squid issues) it was hinted pretty strongly that the treasure in question was actually the first issue of the original Suicide Squid comic, which was already pretty rare at that time. =================================================================== = From: jerry@usdcsv.acusd.edu (Jerry Stratton) = Message-ID: <1991May22.205155.5009@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> In article mk2r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Paul Krenitsky) writes: >WOW!!! This comic is great, but really hard to understand due to the > >Will somebody be posting a Suicide Squid scorecard? I still haven't >figured out the references to radioactive kelp..... Heh. Remember the mystery dolphin in Crisis? Besides being obviously a magical being (and, in fact, may have had an off-screen part in Books of Magic -- did anyone else understand Zatanna's reference to _strange fish?_) the dolphin's deformities are the kind of thing I expect comic-book style radiation to cause. Add to this Dale Dorrance's remark in the Forgotten Heroes one shot, that Squid's ink is 'genetically curious,' and it looks as though a radiation accident may have played a part in the Squid's origin. Possible contaminated kelp? I think we'll see in the upcoming limited series. Remember, each of the four covers (Perez, Byrne, Miller, and Adams), are going to *glow in the dark.* I suspect that DC is going to use the Squid as a mouthpiece for their new pro-nuclear power stance. (Unless the sale of their TMI stock to Marvel goes through, in which case it'll undoubtedly be an anti-nuclear power stance). Dog save us from politics in comics. =================================================================== = From: Damian.Cugley@prg.ox.ac.uk (Damian Cugley) = Message-ID: > From: Mark Paul Krenitsky > I still haven't figured out the references to radioactive kelp..... You're not supposed to understand them, they are foreshadowing. That is, assuming what I have heard about the future plotlines is correct, there is a role for radioactive kelp in future issues and they are throwing in a few gratuitous references now to ram the cleverness of the plotting down our throats. "Stay tooned". =================================================================== = From: aw1s@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew David Weiland) = Message-ID: <8cD2_Qe00WAxQRmWBe@andrew.cmu.edu> dzuj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes, >(and, in fact, may have had an off-screen part in Books of Magic -- >did anyone else understand Zatanna's reference to _strange fish?_) This was obviously not a reference to The Dolphin, because a dolphin is a mammal. Don't look for any Suicide Squid references in Gaiman's work; he's been sore about squiddy ever since DC didn't let him to do an issue of the Suicide Squid miniseries (which was, i think, a bad move on their part). =================================================================== = From: wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald) = Message-ID: <1991May23.204212.14431@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> In article Damian.Cugley@prg.ox.ac.uk (Damian Cugley) writes: >> I still haven't figured out the references to radioactive kelp..... > >You're not supposed to understand them, they are foreshadowing... Hmmm... I thought they were just a reference to the silly (Silver Age?) issues which had all those different colors of radioactive seaweed, each with a different behavior. Does anyone remember the list of them? =================================================================== = From: arromdee@cs.jhu.edu (Kenneth Arromdee) = Message-ID: <10788@emanon.cs.jhu.edu> In article Damian.Cugley@prg.ox.ac.uk (Damian Cugley) writes: >You're not supposed to understand them, they are foreshadowing... You're wrong here. The "radioactive kelp" is actually sauncha, although the name has not been used yet. Sauncha appeared in an old Superman story with a Capt. Strong who was a sort of a homage to Popeye the Sailor. It's a type of seaweed, but not really kelp. I think Capt. Strong's last appearance was in an issue of DC Challenge. =================================================================== = From: jacob@baobab.Berkeley.EDU (Jacob Butcher) = Message-ID: In article <1771@airs.com> ian@airs.com (Ian Lance Taylor) writes: > In the Thurber homage issue... Ooh, a Thurber homage issue. *Now* I'm pissed the Squid never makes it to my comics shop! Damn, I'd like to see that. And that's "Golux", son. One "l". Anyone who hasn't already read _The_Thirteen_Clocks_ should do so, forgoing comic book purchases if necessary. Hell, skip lunches if you have to. =================================================================== = From: fyfesh@lafcol.UUCP (Slothmeister) = Message-ID: <2712@lafcol.UUCP> P.S. When's the Suicide Squid / Cerebus one-shot coming out? =================================================================== = From: philda@iago.caltech.edu (Askenazy, Philip D.) = Message-ID: <1991May24.020705.22464@nntp-server.caltech.edu> Although most of Squiddy's postings have been amusing, am I the only one who thinks they are unnecessarily clogging up R.A.C.? You know, with all the energy being spent inventing the wondrous adventures of the Intrepid Invertebrate, I can't help but wonder how great the result would be if R.A.C.ers could get together and actually publish an issue. Ah, such squandering of squid ink. =================================================================== = From: djm2@quads.uchicago.edu (Dan Meltz) = Message-ID: <1991May24.063524.13035@midway.uchicago.edu> In article <1991May24.020705.22464@nntp-server.caltech.edu> philda@iago.caltech.edu writes: >You know, with all the energy being spent inventing the wondrous >adventures of the Intrepid Invertebrate, I can't help but wonder how >great the result would be if R.A.C.ers could get together and >actually publish an issue. Hey, i thought of this just the other day. i would want to work on it. i could work on the art and even the story, though i think that at least one other writer would be necessary. i can do pencils and/or inks [i figure if this actually were to somehow get off the ground it would be b/w so i wont even offer my questionable colouring talent. Too bad i am not married, remember the whole 'female colourists' thread? ] Anybody interested?????? Feel free to contact me. =================================================================== = From: js43+@andrew.cmu.edu (James William Stepanek) = Message-ID: >Although most of Squiddy's postings have been amusing, am I the only >one who thinks they are unnecessarily clogging up R.A.C.? I personaly agree. What is the point of all this mindless babling about suicide squid? If you want to create a new bboard for the stupid subject do so , but otherwise this is really just a bunch of painful ramblings that the rest of us on the net should not be subjected to. =================================================================== = From: mfterman@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Mutant for Hire) = Message-ID: <9950@idunno.Princeton.EDU> In article <1991May24.020705.22464@nntp-server.caltech.edu> philda@iago.caltech.edu writes: >Although most of Squiddy's postings have been amusing, am I the only >one who thinks they are unnecessarily clogging up R.A.C.? Personally, I'd much rather read a Suicide Squid posting than one about Wolverine or Ghost Rider. There are lots of postings here that I feel are unnecessary clogging, but that other people enjoy. Remember there are readers out there who are into stuff you are not. >You know, with all the energy being spent inventing the wondrous >adventures of the Intrepid Invertebrate, I can't help but wonder how >great the result would be if R.A.C.ers could get together and >actually publish an issue. I doubt we could get anyone to agree on who would write and who would do the artwork. If these squid postings really bother you, create a kill file, or failing that just skip over them..... =================================================================== = From: scrxlt@mars.lerc.nasa.gov (David Olszewski (ANALEX)) = Message-ID: <1991May24.194242.29965@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> * * * P L E A S E * * * excuse my ignorance. I realize that this SUICIDE SQUID is a real big deal on the net but, I don't know what the hell it is. Help? Direct flames to "THE VEGGIE STAR" at SMTP%"SCBRAD@LIMS01.LERC.NASA.GOV" he put me up to it. =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <51c2734e2.000b097@caen.engin.umich.edu> A few points need to be made here. In general, it's considered bad form to try to dictate content of net postings. The exceptions have to do with either being totally off topic for a newsgroup (for example, if the discussions about Sophia/Cerebus and Cerebus/Astoria rapes drifted to discussion of overall rape issues with no mention of the comic, it'd be appropriate to suggest moving such to talk.rape. Or if someone posted a for sale ad for a dining room set in New Jersey here), or violation of commonly accepted net protocols (posts which are personal in nature and could only be of interest to one or two specific people, such as my posting to the world a request to Jane Foobar to meet me at Squid's in Chapel Hill for an appetizer of squid rings [which are quite tasty btw; I had some there last week], inclusion of long articles with the only original added content being "Me too! I agree!", etc.). But complaining about a relevant topic just because you don't like it isn't considered kosher. It's considered reasonable to request that people use a consistent key word, such as "Squid" in the Subject: lines in order to facilitate kill file usage. If there's continiued heavy discussion of a topic, it might be appropriate to suggest a new newsgroup be formed of that the group be split. And someone did create alt.fan.suicide-squid a few days ago. But there's hardly been anywhere near as much SS discussion as there's been about Marvel mutant books over the years, or about Watchmen when it was coming out, so a group split seems a bit premature. Finally, the tone and content of a newsgroup is determined by the people who post to it. Suicide Squid postings have been being made by a number of long time and prolific posters to r.a.c., and judging from the r.a.c. awards ones who are well regarded. I've gotten 40+ orders for a Suicide Squid t-shirt (and I've sent back mail to everyone I've gotten a message from with the current status; if you didn't get a message, please resend and I'll respond) from both "bigger mouths than others" (to use Dan'l's terminology) and names that I didn't recognize, so it seems a variety of people are interested enough to want to spend money. Also, I did some checking on the stats information. The two people who have complained about the SS posts contributed a total of 11 posts and 10 posts since January 1st. Both had a high of 6 posts in April. If you don't like Suicide Squid postings, I'd suggest you post more about things you're interested in and use a kill file or the n and k keys for things you aren't. =================================================================== = From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) = Message-ID: <1991May24.205800.5821@tc.fluke.COM> You know, I was really looking forward to this flick, until I heard that Danny Elfman was doing the score. Cripes. I hear the foam-laytex Squid costume that the "lucky" actor picked to portray SS will have to wear is a royal pain-in-the-ass. =================================================================== = From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) = Message-ID: <1991May24.205604.5733@tc.fluke.COM> I've heard rumors that Mori is related to the famous Viennese opera singer, Aldo Mori. Does anyone know if this is true, or just an Urban Myth? So they're going to release a *3rd* SS monthly title, eh? DC's trying to milk this for every cent they can... (Just so they don't have one of those in-house in-joke issues with Jeanette Kahn showing up as a villain...) =================================================================== = From: oracle@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Jonah H Cohen) = Message-ID: <8455@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU> Hey, about this new SS series... any truth to the rumor that there will be a special "platinum" collector's edition, autographed by Sam Simeon himself? =================================================================== = From: jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) = Message-ID: <1991May24.205955.28427@watdragon.waterloo.edu> In article js43+@andrew.cmu.edu (James William Stepanek) writes: >What is the point of all this mindless babling about suicide squid? Do you use rn? If so, look up the commands 'n', 'k' and 'K'. They are quite useful in avoiding topics you do not want to read, and easier to impliment than what might perhaps be seen as censorship of other folks' postings. =================================================================== = From: bobek@triton.unm.edu (Pisces) = Message-ID: <1991May24.221837.24590@ariel.unm.edu> MufterMan writes: >Personally, I'd much rather read a Suicide Squid posting than one >about Wolverine or Ghost Rider. Agreed, the spoofs on who is going to retconically (hehehe) screw up a NON EXISTANT character and how deep the plotline goes is needed. I am tired of the "John Byrne will be writing Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and having them discover that their mother was a ficus..." and Niel Gaiman will be writing Autumnal Equinox Prestige Format Swamp Thing Special where Abby discovers she her real name is Ditzy Drawback and that she is the Missing Seventh Endless. >If these squid postings really bother you, create a kill file, or >failing that just skip over them..... For that, place in your KILL file : /Suicide Squid/a=j and Poof, works better than salt on a slug! =================================================================== = From: djm2@quads.uchicago.edu (Dan Meltz) = Message-ID: <1991May24.215211.16729@midway.uchicago.edu> [from tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway)] >I've gotten 40+ orders for a Suicide Squid t-shirt... Tom, what exactly are you doing with those shirts, i mean are you doing the art and what are they going to look like? Just curious. =================================================================== = From: bobek@triton.unm.edu (Pisces) = Message-ID: <1991May24.224246.3905@ariel.unm.edu> In the appropriateness of time and space, this followed the "Enough Suicide Squid" quite nicely: > > * * * P L E A S E * * * excuse my ignorance. I realize >that this SUICIDE SQUID is a real big deal on the net but, I don't >know what the hell it is. Help?... You are NOT ignorant! Do NOT adjust your terminal! We are incomplete and out of control! Suicide Squid has left the studio! But seriously, Suicide Squid is a minor typo that went amuck, awry, and totally ballistic... And now, he is the Eternal Nemisis of Sushi Chefs and large upright crustacean-eating mammals everywhere! The word is "in-joke" along with "sarcasm" and "bitch-session" but most of all, simply "fun" =================================================================== = From: bobek@triton.unm.edu (Pisces) = Message-ID: <1991May24.225102.6095@ariel.unm.edu> Jack'a'Napes aka Moriarity writes: >I hear the foam-laytex Squid costume that the "lucky" actor picked to >portray SS will have to wear is a royal pain-in-the-ass. Well, the first one had a defective breathing apparatus that made the actor turn blue to the gills. So they installed a more effective breathing apparatus, but the suit is too heavy for the actor to walk around in, so they made this big Gigantic Tank with wheels. And then Some poor schmuck, rumors said it was Sam Hamm, and they COMPLETELY re-wrote the WHOLE ENTIRE SCRIPT for, guess what? The S Q U I D M O B I L E !! I swear, they need to learn how to keep writers in their place! =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <51c359765.000b097@caen.engin.umich.edu> Last week in USA Today (great reading on airplanes) there was a squib about a new novel from the author of Jaws. Due out this summer, the novel is titled "Beast" and is about a giant squid. Also, the Marvel Tales (the book which reprints Spider-Man stories) which came out this week had a blurb on it something like "The most requested Spider-Man saga of all!". Since they'd apparently run out of old mutant team-ups with Spidey to reprint, I decided to see just what this saga was. The non-Code approved drug stories? The death of Uncle Ben? The death of Gwen Stacy? The marriage to Mary Jane? Another version of the first MacFarlane Spider-Man? Nope, it's the story where Peter grows 4 extra arms. Admittedly this only gives him 8 appendages, putting him in the octopus or arachnid family, but it's close and clearly was one requested by Suicide Squid fans. An excellent marketing ploy as well, as I don't think Red Kryptonite ever had a similar effect on Superman. And in one of the reprints of The Spirit which came out this week, there was an appearance by Spirit arch-enemy The Octopus. Clearly a marketing ploy to print such a story at this point in time (although I would be interested if anyone has any information on whether Eisner had anything to do with the Golden Age Suicide Squid or if one or the other ripped off the other). Obviously everyone is trying to jump on the Suicide Squid bandwagon. Why, last October when they appeared in Ann Arbor, the Flying Karamazov Brothers juggled a squid. But accept no inferior substitutes, either in bad horror novels or with fewer appendages that the prerequisite ten. Buy only genuine, r.a.c. approved, Suicide Squid comics, t-shirts, and movies. Or we'll toss you out of Captain MidAtlantic's Secret Suicide Squid Squadron (btw, does anyone have a 1954 CMA SSSS decoder tentacle? I'm willing to pay big bucks for an authentic one). =================================================================== = From: mckellar@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Michael G McKellar) = Message-ID: <1991May25.034954.24118@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> I have a question for those who read Mircleman: Is the 3-D Mircleman #1 worth getting? And did Alan Moore write it? Also I have heard rumors that Ray Zone is working on a Suicide Squid project. It supposed to be a 3-D graphic novel based in the future called 'The Dark Squid Returns'. Is supposed to include a number of scratch and sniff spots which smell of radioactive seaweed. =================================================================== = From: deveaux@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Kerovan) = Message-ID: <1991May26.022441.2596@colorado.edu> >>But seriously, Suicide Squid is a minor typo that went amuck, >>awry, and totally ballistic... It's amazing the shameless lies some people will tell just to keep a poor guy off balance and not knowing what is going on!! Seriously, BOBEK, why didn't you just direct that poor guy to the ftp site someone (I forget who) set up, so that he could just read all the score cards and everything, get all caught up, and then go out and buy a few issues? =================================================================== = From: cyj9h@csissun10.ee.Virginia.EDU (Charles Yong Jurgens) = Message-ID: <1991May26.180556.23505@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> In article <1991May26.022441.2596@colorado.edu> deveaux@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Kerovan) writes: >It's amazing the shameless lies some people will tell just to keep a >poor guy off balance and not knowing what is going on!! But wait! How does this all relate to Squiddly Diddley? And is Snagglepuss really Wolverine's father? =================================================================== = From: cmiller@SRC.Honeywell.COM (Chris Miller) = Message-ID: <1991May30.164401.22977@src.honeywell.com> I'm catching up on old mail and apparently missed the initial discussion on this (the T-shirts, that is, not SS in general). What's the deal and is it too late to get in on it? =================================================================== = From: cmiller@SRC.Honeywell.COM (Chris Miller) = Message-ID: <1991May30.164937.23236@src.honeywell.com> Excuse me . . . pardon me . . . hmmm . . . just let me step out from behind the fourth wall here for a moment (the mind boggles . . . ) So who was responsible for the original type that brought squiddy into existence (trapped in a world he never made . . . ). Anybody want to fess up? =================================================================== = From: wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald) = Message-ID: <1991May30.181406.26872@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> Mitsuhiro Sakai, and I'm sure he's quite sick of it by now. Check out the archive on theory.lcs.mit.edu (in pub/wald/suicide-squid) for more details. -David =================================================================== = From: dor@ufl.edu (Doug Oosting) = Message-ID: <28825@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> [In a discussion about favorite comics panels] ... Of course, nothing compares to the splash page in the Suicide Squid origin, where Squiddy is leaping from the plane, his parachute on fire, with the katanas in tentacle and the little girl (Rosie, right?) holding on for dear life. Now THAT'S art! =================================================================== = From: dougm@zip.Convergent.COM (Doug Moran) = Message-ID: <1272@zip.Convergent.COM> mfterman@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Mutant for Hire) writes: >I doubt we could get anyone to agree on who would write and who would >do the artwork. I nominate James Drew and Jeff Meyer for the writing. As I have no idea who on this board can draw, I have no suggestions for artist. Hell, if we get on the stick, we could have a first issue ready for distribution by the SDCC. =================================================================== = From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) = Message-ID: <1991Jun2.153048.15452@tc.fluke.COM> God, no; no more superhero books. No, what I want is the chance to write a series about a kindly old curate who lives in a small cottage in Lanchaster and spends the day gardening and thinking up little maxims about the inherent goodness of mankind. And after the third issue, the county he lives in is flattened by a meteorite. (Did I mention that this was a limited series?) Oh, and I want George Perez to illustrate it. =================================================================== = From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew) = Message-ID: <9106040136.AA02970@gizmo.frame.com> Fine, Jeff. I'll just give you, uh, "Plot Assist" credit. Now, let's see...Suicide Squid's power secretly come from a deal he made with a renegade Lord of Chaos (his secret shame). And he's got to have a sidekick, something psycho-sexual with the relationship. And his girlfriend...gads, I don't remember her name. No matter, there was that red head back in #2 from the Silver Age series, Drucilla...Maderson, was it? Sound good. She'll be his new "main squeeze." A cameo appearance by...the Batman. No, Peter David. No, Peter David *and* the Batman. (Beating up the Batman?) I'm on a roll here, I think... =================================================================== = From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew) = Message-ID: <9105311755.AA27787@gizmo.frame.com> Eddit McCreary (acsls@menudo.uh.edu) writes: >I sure hope this [Rocketeer tie-in crap] doesn't end up like those >four little amphibians I used to love. Turtles are reptiles, not amphibians. (And squids are mollusks, not crustaceans. B-) =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Jun2.211722.26893@zip.eecs.umich.edu> Unfortunately, due to the heavy workload Phil Foglio is under (see my previous post) at the moment, he won't be able to do the art for the Suicide Squid t-shirt (not a dream, not a hoax, not an imaginary story). So I'm looking for either suggestions for an artist (along with how to contact them, and please make it someone who you think might actually be willing to do it for a reasonable price; a Todd MacFarlane design would be both unlikely and way out of our price range) or actual art. Please note that if I'm unlikely to have seen an example of your or someone's art, I'll ask for either a reference where I can find it or a sample; I want these shirts to be good one in the Suicide Squid tradition of fine and suitable artwork. Also, if you'd like to be on the Suicide Squid t-shirt mailing list, send me a message with your size, how much you'd be willing to pay for one (including postage), and if you'll be offnet for the summer a snailmail address at which you can be reached. Oh, an idea just struck me; anyone who's going to the San Diego Comicon and might be willing to get an SS sketch done at Artist's Alley please contact me. Kathy, do you have a list of the Alley participants handy? =================================================================== = From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew) = Message-ID: <9106040138.AA02996@gizmo.frame.com> Hmmm. Suicide Squid as doen by Bill Sienkiewicz. [Totally wacked out.] As done by Trina Robbins. [A 1950's teen comic.] Adam Warren. [HUGE eyes, dinky little bikini.] Todd McFarlane. [A pose sure to cause even the Squidster pain.] Kieth Giffen. [But who wants a close up of a beak and sucker pad?] Dave Stevens. ["What do you mean, 'It looks like Betty Page?'"] =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Jun9.213424.4997@zip.eecs.umich.edu> In article <1991Jun9.003208.20857@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, wogg0743@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (William Shakespeare) writes: >Animal Man has gotten very weird. The most recent issue, for >example, has a ten-legged spider on the cover. What happens inside >the book was so odd, I almost didn't notice this arachnid >inconsistancy. Aha! That explains it! They'd mentioned in this month's Squid Ink (the Suicide Squid letter column) that there'd be a "sort of crossover" with Animal Man this month. So I guess the true effect of the puce radioactive kelp wasn't just to have Squiddy temporarily lose two of his ten tentacles, but to transfer the two limbs to a normally 8-legged creature in the vicinity. =================================================================== = From: gary@cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski) = Message-ID: <1991Jun12.113343.420@spool.cs.wisc.edu> In <1991Jun11.225523.17324@athena.mit.edu> crafts@athena.mit.edu (Danny Robinson) writes: I'd rather spend my money on the special Suicide Squid parody issue that will be coming out at the same time. The issue is 40 pages, and sells for $.25. There will be 10 different covers, but retailers are being encouraged to prevent anyone from buying more than one copy. I'm going to try for all of them anyway, because I'm a real completist. However, I only know seven different retailers. Is anyone willing to buy the three that I can't get, and send them to me? I'll pay you BIG MONEY (but if you sneak it in with your regular cash, probably no one will notice). =================================================================== = From: jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) = Message-ID: <1991Jun12.143712.21300@watdragon.waterloo.edu> You probably want to be *real* careful abut collecting the SSq Parody Issue. 'Retailers are being encouraged' is a gross understatement. I received my retailers' package fir this issue last week, and it includes the Official Suicide Squid Automataiceski Granatomojot Stankovi Collector Deterance Unit (DC copped a ton of these surplus from an Unnamed former Warsaw Pact member). I thought the curare coated 'Cloak O Fish-hooks' was classier, but it turned out to be too expensive. =================================================================== = From: stantbat@iastate.edu (Sinnott John S) = Message-ID: <1991Jun12.171714.28847@news.iastate.edu> A Suicide Squad parody of X-men 1? Sounds great. What issue though? The order form from my comic sub service lists #58 coming out in August. The description reads that it is a war of the gods crossover. =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Jun12.191359.20374@zip.eecs.umich.edu> Guess you didn't read the post closely enough...it's not a Suicide *Squad* parody, but a Suicide *Squid* parody. It's a shame that two such good titles are close enough that they get confused. Maybe one of them should have a slight renaming in order to distinguish them. It's been done before after all; Captain Atom being on the stands caused Ray Palmer's most recent book to be titled Power of the Atom, and then there's S.H.I.E.L.D. over at Marvel and Legend of the Shield at Impact/DC. Also, the issue of Spider-Man out the month of the X-Men #1 hype is supposed to be a parody of X-Men #1. =================================================================== = From: khale@alydar.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale) = Message-ID: <15154@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> In article <1991Jun14.033845.8651@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy) writes: > >What ever happened to Lori Lemaris? Would you believe she turned out to be Suicide Squid's long lost sister and metamorphosed back into a squid ? No ? Well, neither would I. ... =================================================================== = From: conty@cbnewsl.att.com (Enrique Conty) = Message-ID: <1991Jun17.150928.27962@cbnewsl.att.com> Regarding all this bushwah about Claremont leaving the X-Men... ... As to what would Claremont do if he left X-men? He could.. 1) Write the Great British SF Novel. 2) Take over the writing of the Teen Titans. 3) Write the next Suicide Squid Annual. 4) Take over the writing of FemForce. No shortage of strong female characters there, no siree!! (Anyone willing to fill in 5 to 10?) =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Jun19.201307.16054@zip.eecs.umich.edu> In article , dan@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter) writes: >But fear not - there is another significant historical precedent >here - DC's 1977 (or 78? Jerry?) "Summer Explosion" where they >premiered dozens of new titles, all of which were discontinued >quickly. Titles that the world was begging for like "Kobra" (DC's >attempt at a Dr. Doom-like all-purpose villain) were among the >casualties. It was 1978. However, I don't think this is really a good historical analogy. To understand why, some more background on the DC Explosion/Implosion is needed. ... The result of this was that both the 50 cent format and a number of new or announced but not yet appeared books (such as The Vixen and a Suicide Squid revival) were cancelled *before sales reports had even been compiled*. ... =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Spyder" Smith) = Message-ID: <1991Jun25.000211.728@cs.umn.edu> In <1991Jun24.051433.29082@tc.fluke.COM> moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) writes: >Saw Neil Gaimen this weekend. No, he doesn't look like Dream. He >*does* resemble Tim Hunter beyond the realm of coincidence. (With a >few (but not too many) years on the character.) ... Although he had no messgae for the net, he did tell me that Tim Hunter is based upon someone else (hint: think Suicide Squid) ... =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Jul10.013339.10449@zip.eecs.umich.edu> Not a hoax, not a dream, not an imaginary t-shirt. I just got off the phone with Ty, and he'll be doing the art for the long awaited Suicide Squid t-shirt. For those of you who may not be familiar with the character of Suicide Squid, I've put together a history of the character based on postings to r.a.c. in the past few months. I'll be posting it right after this article goes out. People here have discovered that they are not alone in their liking for this somewhat obscure character, and Suicide Squid appears to have been informally adopted as the r.a.c. mascot. I've also just sent a mail message to the people who have already expressed an interest in getting a Suicide Squid t-shirt. If you've emailed me before about the shirt and didn't get this message, please email me; I'll acknowledge getting your mail as it arrives. Finally, if you're interested in owning one of these t-shirts, which no well-dressed r.a.c.er would be without, please send me email. I expect to send out a preliminary (postage included) price tomorrow, and will start taking paid orders with a deadline for getting the money in, since before I have 70+ t-shirts printed, I want to have some cash in hand. This is a non-profit enterprise for me; I'll not be making any money off of it. "The seaweed of crime bears bitter fruit" --Suicide Squid =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Jul10.013753.10577@zip.eecs.umich.edu> Orders are now being taken for the official, licensed, Suicide Squid t-shirt, with art by Ty Templton (Stig's Inferno, Legion of Substitute Heroes origin). For details, send mail to tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu. This is a non-profit venture. The Official Suicide Squid Chronology Suicide Squid has probably had more distinct versions than any other comics character. The following is an ordered compilation of the posted net knowledge about this often overlooked breakthrough character in the history of comics. Golden Age Version: SS was originally published by Fox, but he was picked up with Blue Beetle by Charlton. He was a telepathic squid who flew a plane and jumped out to ensnare enemy planes, with which he would plunge into the sea. His pals in the Air Corps thought this was awfully suicidal, and so he was called Suicide Squid. In the original proposal for Watchmen, the ending focused on Suicide Squid's final suicide. Since they couldn't use the Charlton characters, we got that unbelieveable mess of an ending instead. Suicide Squid premiered the concept of a multi-issue comics epic with the saga of the sand fleas in issues 4 to 7. While 4 to 6 were quite well done for the time, the author died on the Hindenburg and his notes for number 7 were lost. The replacement wrap-up was so bad that no one attempted a multi-issue storyline for decades. The fleas were killed off in a particularly pointless car crash which was likely the inspiration for the killing off the elf from the Steve Gerber run of The Defenders in a similar fill-in wrap-up. Suicide Squid used the speech about the missing man from the Maltese Falcon in his eulogy for the fleas. During the middle of its long run, the GA Suicide Squid set standards for art that weren't matched until Bill Sienkiewicz. The stunning single issue B&W experiment, while a commercial failure, is credited by some for inspiring the use of shadows in 'Citizen Kane'. Also, SS was the only comic the Sierra Club ever recommended in the 40s. The GA SS was groundbreaking in its concern for the environment. Near the end of his run, as with other Golden Age characters, Suicide Squid accumulated a group of comic relief dead end kid sidekicks, known as the Black Ink Irregulars. 50s Version: There was a short lived attempt to revive Suicide Squid as part of a radio show titled Captain MidAtlantic's Secret Suicide Squidron. No recordings of the show are known to exist, and the Secret Squidron Decoder Tentacles are quite rare (due to spoilage from not being kept on ice) and bring high prices on the pop culture curio market. Silver Age Version: Supporting characters here included a blonde female secretary who was never explicitly named until one of the 80s versions. She was always called 'Sweetcakes' during this run, but in such a way to make it clear that this was just a nickname. Much like the 50s Batman series turning into a copy of many aspects of Superman, such as aliens, Bat-Mite, Bat-Hound, etc., Suicide Squid acquired a new nemesis. Different colors of seaweed which had been irridated by various radiotactive dumpings. Each color had a different effect on SS. The Gold Key Version: And A Draft Choice To Be Named Later... For a short time, Gold Key obtained the rights to SS. This was apparently due to then DC Publisher Carmine Infantino swapping the rights to SS for the right to do Magilla Gorilla. While no actual DC Magilla comic ever appeared, there are indications that Magilla was the early model for what evolved into Angel and the Ape. Little is known about this run as it only appeared in occasional plastic wrapped 3-packs sold at K-Marts, but it's known that one issue was a Thurber homage with a heavy emphasis on the novel The Thirteen Clocks. The Marble Comics Version: Imitation Is The Sincerest Form Of Flattery? A parody of SS, titled Careless Calamari was attempted by Marble Comics, but failed miserably. The Late 60s/Early 70s Version: Green Squid? After having Green Lantern/Green Arrow cancelled out from under them, Denny O'Neil and Neal Adams had a short run on Suicide Squid. This was an interesting return to the environmental consciousness of the Golden Age SS as SS travelled across America with a dewhistled member of the Life Guards Of The Universe. The series ended on a cliffhanger with SS about to battle the Earth-1 Vandal Savage who was head of the Omega Corporation which was responsible for 88% of America's water pollution. The 70s Version: How Do You Do Travolta's Disco Moves With Ten Tentacles Anyway? Considered a low point to rank with the Byrne/Chaykin one-shot, this was a period where SS had lost his own book and only appeared in wildly contradictory guest appearances in other DC books. These included: An Aquaman-Suicide Squid Team-up in DC Comics Presents wherein Aquaman hints that there is something about the SS (other than the obvious irrational fear of halibut) that prevented Ocean Master from taking complete mental control of SS. The Forgotten Heroes one-shot had Dane Dorrance (leader of The Sea Devils) noticing that SS's ink defense was genetically curious. While originally this appeared to be due to SS's intelligence, it was later retconned in Animal Man Annual #1 in which it was hinted that Suiddy is of non-terrestrial origin. Finally, a Tales of the Green Lantern Corps annual had a pink GL who curiously resembles the SS. It may have been coincidence or just an in-joke, but it was curious. Crisis? What Crisis? Squiddy came off better than most; the only major change to his continuity was the claim that the same mysterious magic dolphin that gave him his sentience and his powers also granted him an extremely long life. When asked why Suicide Squid was allowed to keep his continuity intact while so many more major characters had theirs thrown out with the bath water, Marv Wolfman admitted that it was reprints of the original Squiddy tales that had first turned him on to comics. Version I: Grim'n'Gritty [tm] retcon of Hanna-Barbera characters. In this version, Suicide Squid was a retcon of the Squiddly Diddly character. Howard Chaykin only had time to rough out a personality sketch for this character before going to work on The Flash tv show. SS suffered from severe manic-depression with a definite suicidal streak. Supporting characters included Chuck, the son of the grown-up Bud from the Flipper tv show. Maintaining the tradition of child tv stars growing up and turning evil Bud was the main bad guy, blaming all oceanic life for the permanent loss of all his body hair which actually resulted from too much Nair during his competative swimming career (aka the Lex Luthor syndrome). He'd taken care of Flipper by obtaining a controlling position in a tuna fish company and making sure they didn't use dolphin proof fishing methods. Only Chuck and Suicide Squid stood between Bud and total domination of the Middle American food business. By fair means or foul, Bud was taking control of mayonnaise companies, General Foods' Jell-o division, and Wonder Bread bakeries. Since Bud was apparently a respectable, all-American, businessperson, he'd managed to frame Chuck and Suicide Squid so that they are fugitives. Their only allies were Betty and Blaze. Betty Cooper was an escapee from Bud's sick genetic experiments which converted her into a dead ringer for her namesake from Archie Comics (the rights came as a package deal with the Impact line's characters). Blaze was her talking, telepathic, cat, a much overused Chaykin device. It was theorized that Blaze might have been be a retconned version of Snagglepuss, but it was never confirmed. Mark Badger did at least two fill-in issues during this run. Version I.5 The Sell-Out A one-shot prestige format issue where Byrne and Chaykin attempted to radically revise the character while ignoring everything which had ever worked in the past. The format was described by some as the 'All girls, All garters' issue. (at least with 10 tentacles, Squiddy had a reason to use garters for his stockings, as ten-legged pantyhose isn't really available commercially). It was also notable for finally resolving the long dangling confrontation with Vandal Savage. However, this took place in panel one with the caption ""Several years after the battle with Vandal Savage that nearly cost him his life ..." Finally, due to the clout wielded by Byrne and Chaykin, Roy Thomas was not allowed to use the Golden Age Suicide Squid in any of the All-Star books due to supposed potential confusion of readers. Version II: The Radioactive origin Suicide Squid was Biff Peters, University of San Diego student in marine biology and generic California surfer-dude type. ...Until a squid, irradiated by South Pacific nuclear tests, somehow melded with him. Now, he's on a crusade to protect the oceans and put an end to yuppy sushi-eating habits. Chuck, a USN marine biologist and pilot, was present at the nuclear test, and at the "melding". He's the only person who knows Suicide Squid's true identity. He tried to recover the Biff persona, by introducing the Squid to surfboards and Speedos. Admiral Peters was, of course, Biff/Squid's father, who, unwittingly, was trying to wipe out his son. Version III Haven't I Seen You Before Somewhere? Many in-joke references were made to characters from the Silver and Golden Age versions of SS, such as Clarice and the sand fleas. However, Clarice in this incarnation was blonde...and male. It was later revealed that Clarice was a transsexual. Dr. Calamari from the Silver Age run was returned, updated for the 90s. There were hopes that the Black Ink Irregulars from the Golden Age version would also be similarly updated. The Current Version The Italian Invasion Begins Alonzo Mori was sniffed out by DC's European talent scouts after they exhausted the comics talent to be found in the British Isles. His Amid Swimmers' Night Dreams issue was undoubtedly the inspiration for Neil Gaiman's somewhat inferior Shakespearian homage. The best was Duck's final lines: If we, shad, have offended, String us up, for sushi blended, For you have but stumbled here While night-fishing off the pier. Though my quacking idle seem, Though these shoals with horrors teem, Swimmers, you'll not drown tonight: We shall fish you from your plight (For, see, I am a hardy Duck) If we have a gill of luck. Having scraped sea-serpents' tongues, We will make amends to lungs; Else the Duck a flier call: So, wet dreams unto you all. Grab on my wings, if you see how, And Bob to shore shall pull you now. Note that Duck assumes the name of Bob...it's theorized that Duck is now hiding out as Bob the Duck in the Drabble newspaper strip. The first ever Suicide Squid Annual had a grim backup on Sea Monkey farms and just how the little devils are trained. It made Morrison's treatment of animal rights in Animal Man look feeble. Recently, SS has picked up a cigar-chomping lobster companion by the name of Alonzo. He appears to be interested in Clarice (hell, they're engaged), but he hasn't told Alonzo about his operation yet. Of course, Alonzo hasn't told Clarice about Alonzo being an alien creature from Tau Ceti IV who just happens to look like a lobster. One recent storyline was a detour into suspense and psychological horror. The serial killer at Marine World turned out to be the Orthodox Jewish animal psychologist, Hannibal Ector. Clarice was revealed as a former FBI agent. A favorite scene was when Ector was about to cook and eat the unconscious SS, and Clarice pointed out that squid meat is not kosher. Also, Clarice's personal reminiscences about her childhood as a pearl diver, which led into the title image: "The Silence of the Clams". There has been recent foreshadowing of radioactive kelp. However, inside sources say that this will not be a revival of things like the puce radioactive seaweed from the 60s, but rather the introduction into the Post-Crisis DC Universe of sauncha from the 70s Superman-Captain Strong stories. The latest issue of Suicide Squid featured a very strange crossover with Animal Man. A rare strand of the puce radioactive kelp was being kept at the San Diego Zoo, and Squiddy was accidently exposed to it. The apparent effect was to cause him to lose two tentacles temporarily, but as seen on the cover of Animal Man, it actually transferred those two appendages to the spider which was acompanying Animal Man. Spoilers Ahoy! This next section deals with upcoming issues and events involving Squiddy. August will see a special parody of X-Men #1. It'll be a 40 page issue for only a quarter, and there'll be ten different covers. In a refreshing noncommercial attitude, DC is attempting to prevent more than one cover being sold to any one person by a single dealer. Recent DC retailers packages have included the Official Suicide Squid Automataiceski Granatomojot Stankovi Collector Deterance Unit (DC copped a ton of these surplus from an Unnamed former Warsaw Pact member). While the initial curare coated 'Cloak O' Fish-hooks' was classier, it turned out to be too expensive. A special Suicide Squid mini-series is being done in response to the demands of various creative types to have a shot at doing Squiddy. Issue #1 will have 4 separate covers done by George Perez, John Byrne, Frank Miller and Neal Adams. Also, each cover will have a different color combination for Suicide Squid's tentacles. The colors will also glow in the dark. Finally, the story inside will have 3 different plotter/scripter combination Combo 1 : plot = Alan Moore : script = Neil Gaiman Combo 2 : plot = Neil Gaiman : script = Alan Moore Combo 3 : plot = Moore and Gaiman : script = Done together, with each contributing alternate words to dialogue. The storyline is ( possible spoilers) : Suicide Squid believed himself to be a human turned into a squid by a shift of the cosmic axis and trapped in a world he never made. This story retcons that away. Apparently SS's old nemesis Major Farce has captured him. In his other identity Farce owns a chinese seafood restaurant in Silicon Valley. Farce hires an underling ( later revealed to be Aquaman's brother Orm, the Ocean master ) to dissect SS and serve him in the form of stir fried squid in the restaurant. As Orm dissects him, he realizes that SS is actually a space born alien elemental and was never a human. The story is called "The Gastronomy Lesson" : neat story if a bit gruesome at times, which accounts for the Mature Readers Label. Later issues will reveal that SS was actually born when Krona attempted to look back and see the beginning of the Universe, billions of years ago. In an attempt to right that cosmic wrong, SS was born to fight for truth, justice and the coelentrate way. For a while he was a member of the GL corps, he had a ring for each tentacle which ( along with his superior will power) made him the most powerful member of the Corps. Eventually, he was partly depowered and robbed of his memory by the Cosmic Sea Monkey and ended up on Earth in the 1940's. That was the begining of the Golden Age Suicide Squid. The Future DC seems to be realizing the growing popularity of Suicide Squid. A number of special projects have been announced for the near future, including * A collector's pin * "The Greatest Squid Stories Ever Told" which reprints some of Squiddy's Golden Age, Silver Age stories, the mid-80's miniseries (which was disappointing, really) and a "new" origin story which explains some of the glitches between the GA and SA Squiddy and the modern one. * A special SS trade paperback. Details are unclear on this. It'll either have a Perez cover, a Prez cover indicating the printing of the long-lost Suicide Squid-Prez teamup which resulted from the Supergirl-Prez team-up in #10 her mag, or a Pez cover indicating a team-up with the Tick. * A special cyberpunk-style future story, with all the art being computer generated ala Digital Justice. This will be an out of continuity story about Suicide SQUID (sequential quantum interference detector) and he will hunt down a psychotic limpet who has become a computer virus. * There are persistent rumors that Monarch may be Suicide Squid. * There are also persistent rumors that SS is the Seventh Endless from Sandman. Maybe Suicide Squid doesn't begin with a D, but it does end with one; which seems somehow appropriate for an Endless who abdicates his duties... * A biography of Mori ("The Calimari Kid") * A special joint effort prestige one-shot written by Bill Sienkiewicz and Kyle Baker (alternating panels and not discussing the plot beforehand or during) with Baker pencils and Sienkiewicz inks. * A proposed PBS Suicide Squid series * A Suicide Squid action figure which can use regular fountain pen ink cartridges. * There are rumors that Ray Zone is working on a Suicide Squid project. It supposed to be a 3-D graphic novel based in the future called 'The Dark Squid Returns'. It's supposed to include a number of scratch and sniff spots which smell of radioactive seaweed. * Hanna-Barbera is considering a new lineup of shows: the _Suicide Squid Action Afternoon_. There's going to be _Suicide Squid Undersea Adventures_, _Immature Biohazardous Black-Belt Tuna_, _Emergency Rescue Force:Sea Cucumbers_, _Darkfin Shark_, and _Tentacle Tales_. If the movie is successful, this series is a shoo-in. Unfortunately, I hear that they're abandoning the comic-book continuity and setting up wholly different characters (a la _TMNT_). Suicide Squid: The Movie The first Suicide Squid "movie" was done as a serial in the 40s by Cowboy Wally Enterprises. While Cowboy Wally's belly was certainly large enough to represent SS' head and body, the "special effect" of drawing eyes and a beak on said belly to represent SS was cheesy even by serial standards. The second movie took place in the late '50s. It was originally for TV, but the idea of the word 'Suicide' in the title of what TV moguls saw as a kiddies program made the execs go. It is *hard* to find copies, but not impossible. It's been seen at the '86 Worldcon, and a bootleg copy with the cover art done with a magic marker on a piece of cardboard attached to the plastic box has been spotted in a New Jersey video store. You'd be amazed which now-famous actors and actresses were in this little epic... However, with the success of the Mori run and various comics based movies, plans are atentacle for a big budget SS movie. However, it looks like it won't be appearing for a while. Current information includes that Danny Elfman will do the score, and that the lead actor will wear a foam-latex Squid costume which in the words of the costumer "is a royal pain-in-the-ass". At last word, the script was undergoing its 44th rewrite. The 43rd rewrite, by Umberto Eco and titled Suicide Squid: Sushi and Semiotics, was said to be pretty bad. People were trashing it as soon as they got to the first of many monologues on the relation of text and squid ink. However, the current casting appears to still be Matthew Broderick as the Squid (given that his trademark disgusting smirk won't be visible in the costume, I might be able to tolerate this) with Dustin Hoffman and Julie Andrews playing the female and male versions respectively of Clarice. Broderick was signed back when Sam Hamm's script was the version under consideration. This one started with Squiddy and Alonzo failing to save hostages at the Statue of Liberty and then taking off for a spring break vacation in Fort Lauterdale. This version was scratched due to the introduction of the Squidmobile. Said introduction was necesitated by the problems with the breathing apparatus for the original Squid suit. Finally, a review of a special issue of Suicide Squid which was farmed out to DZ Comics when Mori went on "sabbatical". Suicide Squid Annual #2 Publisher: DZ Comics Writer: Myron Victor Artist: Sam Simeon Writing: ** Artwork: *** So what is the evil secret behind the Sea Monkeys? What was the true fate of the Titanic? And how do those lobsters at those fancy restaurants feel as their potential eaters stare at them? All of that is revealed in this annual, which has to be the best Armageddon 1999 crossover ever seen. For those of you who aren't familiar with the concept, the fact is that Suicide Squid accidentally landed on a defective vacuum cleaner was sucked forwards into time. As the cleaner sucked him ahead year by year, the writer having written himself into a corner, was so desperate to send him back that he blew up the nuclear waste dumps on the moon in order to reverse the flow on the vacuum cleaner. This explosion knocked the moon out of orbit where it had a series of strange adventures. Anyways, one of the people on the moon realizing that they were wearing silly outfits and even more insipid plots has vowed to go back in time and try to reverse the horrible series of evens. Hence the current attempt to prevent Suicide Squid from being sucked into the vacuum cleaner. Suicide Squid himself is busy going on the talk show circuit promoting his new message "Just Say NO to Sushi". He is quickly attacked by a rampaging mob of yuppies desperate to cling to their old shallow and superficial values. Suicide Squid quickly detonates a bomb underneath his belt buckle and kills himself and everyone else in the room. However the yuppies managed to grab Alonzo, thinking that the alien was actually a lobster who would be simply smashing in a rich sauce. SS chases them into the oceans when suddenly he is attacked by a hoard of Sea Monkeys. He and Clarice are quickly overpowered and are taken to the evil Witch of the North by Northwest, who has her castle situated between the Twin Peaks. The Witch demands that SS give up the ruby truss that he is wearing. Naturally SS refuses on the grounds that the truss is in fact the only way he can control his tentacles ever since they were overpowered by the evil clone of Bean Hill Influence Lad. Meanwhile Alonzo is sitting in the tank of water about to be eaten by the evil yuppies. He sits confidently waiting for Suicide Squid to show up and save the day. Instead Alonzo is quickly eaten by the yuppies and has a powerful if somewhat pointless death scene. The real surprise is the romance that develops between Clarice and the Witch, since I wasn't sure that DZ would do this sort of relationship except off camera. Frankly the panel with the kiwi fruit and the vacuum cleaner was a real surprise, and makes me wonder how this title managed to avoid the Mature Audiences label. Suicide Squid bravely battling his way through the Sea Monkeys manages to find the secret beanie that the Witch uses to control the Monkeys and allows her to sell them into slavery in all those comic book ads. The beanie interacts badly with his truss and the two suddenly explode, propelling SS into the bedroom where Clarice and the Witch are enjoying the kiwi fruit. SS then lands on the vacuum cleaner and is promptly sucked into the future. At this point the whole comic turns around and reveals that the entire issue has been a dream by Alonzo in the tank just before he is about to be boiled by the yuppies. At this point Deus Ex Machina Man makes his appearances and saves Alonzo, informing him that SS and Clarice are safe, SS having shouted "There's no place like Nome." Nome of course being the current location of the totally secret Suicide Squid base. Which leaves the problem of how Deus knew that, but then there's a lot about Deus that remains a mystery. Of course, the issue does leave a little hazy how much of the story with the Wicked Witch of the NNW actually happened, whether there is going to be any continuing of the relationship between Clarice and the Witch, and the status of the Sea Monkeys. Also the possibility of the moon being knocked out of orbit in 1999 is still unknown. In terms of the metaplot its a rather vague, and in fact I really can't see the point to the entire issue. On the other hand, the artwork is gorgeous, with large painted pictures. Granted, most comic book collectors will shudder at the thought of having to store the 11" x 18" book, but some of the panorama shots are marvelous. The writing is fairly good in the short scenes, and Myron can really do a sweaty sensual scene, but lets face it, there isn't much Shakespeare in a Suicide Squid comic. Not to mention the ending being ripped off from Ambrose Bierce, though this isn't the first issue that's had this problem. Highly recommended though I'd advise everyone to stay away from the Armageddon 1999 storyline otherwise. "Beware for the seaweed of crime bears bitter salads!!!" -- Suicide Squid =================================================================== = From: lewandow@sabertooth.CS.WISC.EDU (Gary Lewandowski) = Message-ID: <1991Jul10.133016.24012@spool.cs.wisc.edu> The posting of SS history has reminded me to ask if anyone has been archiving all of the SS discussions. I'd like to be able to add it to the Welcome to RAC monthly posting. =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Jul11.173703.14239@zip.eecs.umich.edu> I just mailed out ordering information for the SS t-shirt with art by Ty Templeton. If you've previously sent me mail and didn't get it, please let me know. Also, if you're one of the following people, please send me an acknowledgement that you recieved the information, or else ask me to remail it to you. cyj9h@csissun13.ee.Virginia.EDU djm2@midway.uchicago.edu fau@po.CWRU.Edu jbillone@jarthur.claremont.edu JCS108@PSUVM.PSU.EDU jf2z+@andrew.cmu.edu josephk@alfred.econ.lsa.umich.edu jvverth@figaro.med.harvard.edu katie@mica.berkeley.edu klein@frith.egr.msu.edu lister@leland.stanford.edu phredd@casbah.acns.nwu.edu rgm@ocf.berkeley.edu rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu roc@sequent.com rod%mks.uucp@watmath.waterloo.edu schung@casbah.acns.nwu.edu Scott_R_Bauer@cup.portal.com wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu =================================================================== = From: pereira@csc.ti.com (Paul Pereira) = Subject: Re: Barry Blair (was Re: RE: PUNISHER IS A COD?) = Message-ID: <1991Jul11.155536.29992@csc.ti.com> Y'know, I thought for sure that, by now, that Subject: line would cause a degeneration into a "Suicide Squid vs. Punisher Cod" discussion! Maybe I've underestimated you people ... 8^) =================================================================== = From: gt5878b@prism.gatech.EDU (Eddie Maise) = Message-ID: <32836@hydra.gatech.EDU> Tom Galloway and I have had been talking in e-mail about an alternate source for the Suicide Squid T-Shirts, namely me. Tom will not be on the net until Monday the 15th, so I thought I would go ahead and post the details in case he doesn't have time before he leaves on Friday. He sent a notice to the S.S. T-shirt mailing list before he left, but I'd like to amplify what he was talking about. I've silk screened shirts many times in the past two years. I work using equipment and materials at the craft center at my school, Georgia Tech. By using the equipment for free, the materials at cost, and donating my labor, I can make the shirts for quite a bit less than the prices Tom got from his local screen printing shops. Tom and I discussed the merits and drawbacks of me doing them. The primary merit is the reduced cost. The main drawback is that no one on the net really knows who I am, or what quality of work I can do. I thought I would address those points now. My name is Eddie Maise. My snail mail address is in my .sig. I learned how to make silk screens and print shirts two years ago, and have since printed eight shirt designs, for several campus organizations, mostly the theatre. I do it as a hobby; only once have I made more than about ten dollars on an entire print run (of forty or fifty, usually). I have taught four other people how to make screens and print. Three of the designs I've printed have been multi-color designs, one of them quite complex. I always get compliments on the printing job ("Hey, they look good."). Silk screening is not very hard. It takes a little patience and attention to detail, but it's not hard. The design Tom is looking at is a two-color job; two colors is not complex. Perhaps someone else who's done silk screening can back me up on this? Now then: the cost. Because I work almost for free (almost, I usually take a shirt or two as payment), use the school's equipment for free, and pay for materials at cost, I can make them cheaply. Tom mentioned to me that using the numbers I provided, and accounting for things like artist's fee and so forth, that the shirts would come about $4.50, plus postage. That's not a final figure, that's an estimate. But it's a good estimate. When Tom gets back on Monday, he can give you the details. The point is, I can do the shirts for less money, but only if the folks who want one trust me to do two things: 1) Do a good job. 2) Not take people's money and run. I'm sure Tom will have some kind of official decision making mechanism set up once he gets back. I just wanted to let everyone know what was going on and give you a chance ask questions. =================================================================== = From: wombat@nfinit.enet.dec.com (Christopher M. Conway) = Message-ID: <400@decabo.enet.dec.com> In article <9107082004.AA28720@gizmo.frame.com>, jrd@frame.com (James Drew) writes: - Jim Perreault (jap@acsu.buffalo.edu) writes: - - >I still say the missing Endless is Love. - - Ah. D'Amour. - - (Or maybe D'Artagnan? B-) Nononononono! The seventh endless is Suicide Squid! (Death-seeking cephalopod, for those who insist on a 'd'.) =================================================================== = From: rkelly@triton.unm.edu (Robert Kelly) = Message-ID: <1991Jul17.223724.20701@ariel.unm.edu> ... "I want to be... Under the sea... in an Octopus' Garden... er... Sorry, Squid." "That's OK, Alonzo." Suicide Squid Summer Fun Special =================================================================== = From: rkelly@triton.unm.edu (Robert Kelly) = Message-ID: <1991Jul24.213956.8424@ariel.unm.edu> ... "I will not be BEATEN, BUTTERED or BATTERED!" "Dr. Calimari, isn't a little late for that?" Suicide Squid Summer Fun Special =================================================================== = From: justin@inmet.inmet.com (Justin du Coeur) = Message-ID: <10500336@inmet> ... Random Quote du Jour: "Just Say NO to Sushi" -- Slogan of the Suicide Squid National Tour =================================================================== = From: am110@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Philip J. Flores) = Message-ID: <9107271522.AA09082@cwns10.INS.CWRU.Edu> The other day I bought some recent issues of "Flash" that I hadn't picked-up when they came out. The bad guy in issue 53 (the one that guest-stars Superman) was called the Silver Squid. At the same time, I also got issue #2 of "Simpsons Illustrated" In a comic strip toward the back, two boys are reading comic books and arguing over ho'od win (tm) in a fight between Radioactive Man and Captain Squid. A couple of weeks ago, I was going through the bargain bin of a local comics shop and found an issue of Marvel's "Amazing Adventures" from the early- to mid-seventies, when they were doing Killraven stories [somehow, I don't think that is what Wells had in mind when he wrote "War of the Worlds"]. Anyway, this issue had a man with tentacles for arms on the cover, and there was a blurb saying that Killraven and his companions were "Slaves of the Human Squid!!" And then the day before yesterday, I learned that Peter Benchly (sp?), the man who wrote "Jaws", has a new novel out. It's about a giant squid that comes up to the surface and starts killing people. All this synchronicity has got me wondering if we haven't tapped into some archetype of the American subconcious when we discovered Suicide Squid and all he stands for. "Go, Squid Racer, go!!" -line from an obscure Japanese cartoon show =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Spyder" Smith) = Message-ID: <1991Jul28.035815.3107@cs.umn.edu> Let's not forget the mysterious Racer S! =================================================================== = From: 860099w@aucs.acadiau.ca (Marty Ward) = Message-ID: <860099w.680740756@aucs> ... Quiz time. (multiple choice) 1. Which is this year's best cross-over series: Armageddon 2001, Infinity Gauntlet, or War of the Gods. a) Infinity Gauntlet because it's got the cool names 'inifinity' and 'gauntlet'. Equate 'gauntlet' with 'power' and you get 'infinite power'. Now, that's cool. Nothing would be more cooler than having infinite power and being able to live out your male adolescent power fantasies. Yeah. And it's a Marvel Comic. b) WotG and A2001 'cause they're DC comics. Yeah. And everybody knows that DC makes better comics than Marvel. And there's going to be spin-off series such as the Waverider one and the new Captain Marvel one. Yeah. New comic series that we never even asked for; what else could be expected of a cross-over? And Wonder Woman kicks the bucket. Yeah. Realism. DC really has real realism in their comics which really makes them a lot more real than Marvel. Yeah. c) The Suicide Squid - Radioactive Man crossover. d) Who fucking cares. ... =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Jul30.041909.23461@zip.eecs.umich.edu> Due to being offnet for the last week (ever try to get the bears in Yellowstone to let you share their Internet access accounts? and a pair of bears, one tall, one short, swiped my Pic-A-Nic Basket portable terminal), I've decided to extend the deadline for the receipt of orders for the Suicide Squid t-shirt to August 8th. A Ty Templeton artwork on a 100% cotton heavyweight t-shirt featuring the 10 tentacled terror of the deep for only $4.50, plus postage/mailer cost due to the generous offer of Eddie Maise to do the actual t-shirt making. For ordering information, send me email ASAP. Tomorrow I'll email out acknowledgements to those who I've received orders from, and will continue to acknowledge orders on receipt after that. "This animal [squids] knows vengence!" --Peter Benchley on NPR, discussing his research on squids for his new novel Beast =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Jul31.002826.8344@zip.eecs.umich.edu> Seeing the War of the Net.gods header, I couldn't resist coming up with the character of Captain R.A.C., along with the entities used in hir power word SHAZAM and their contributions Squid, Suicide, ability to cloud men's minds, automatic retconning Hirsch, Connie, dangling plotline detection, mutant characterization Armenian, Mad (Jerry Boyajian), research skills, posting frequency Zweig, Dani, writing skill, gender confusion :-) Allen, Peter David, ability to appear in comics, industry contacts Moriarty (Meyer, Jeff), sense of humor, quote for any occasion [Note: my choice of entities was based on a combination of them fitting into the anacronym (i.e. Dani was *definitely* going to be in there...) and being able to come up with a short power contribution based on their r.a.c. persona. It's not meant to imply that any of these are "better" in any sense than other netters] Anyone who wants to do anything with the character of Captain R.A.C. is welcome to do so...just don't even *think* about asking me to do a t-shirt for the character! =================================================================== = From: parham@masig5.ocean.fsu.edu (Fred Parham) = Message-ID: <3660@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> What do people think of the "Suicide Squid versus Jesus" storyline? I was sort of surprised that DC would let Mori go ahead with this. I guess they didn't want him to leave the book like what's-his-name did when they wouldn't let him use Jesus in "Swamp Thing". =================================================================== = From: sl261003@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (daniel maki [Kevin Wald]) = Message-ID: <1991Aug1.223308.7939@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> That was Jesus? Hmm . . . You know, I guess you're right. The long hair and beard should have tipped me off. And the crossed halo and crown of thorns, of course. *That* explains why he refused to side with either the Greek or the Roman gods. Speaking of which, whose side is Squiddy himself on? I know he swore that oath to the Sea God a couple of issues back, but did they mean Neptune or Poseidon? And for that matter, where did Clarisse's new brooch/tieclip come from? =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Thomas Young Galloway) = Message-ID: <532426ed4.000b097@caen.engin.umich.edu> Hopefully better late than never, here's a delayed contribution to that thread with some that I didn't see proposed by others. ... Suicide Squid vs. the Sand Fleas (golden age version) is a nostalgic favorite of mine. ... =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Thomas Young Galloway) = Message-ID: <532e44d24.000b097@caen.engin.umich.edu> = Subject: Squid classified in this week's CBG Sorry, I spelled Clarice right on the form, but either they typoed it or my printing is even worse than I think. Come to think of it, I should have done something more original but I was pressed for time. An idea which just occured to me would be to have done it as a personal ad; "Single Suicide Squid seeks...." "The seaweed of crime bears bitter sushi" --Suicide Squid =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Raffles" Smith) = Message-ID: <1991Aug7.180530.16178@cs.umn.edu> ... BTW, DC has a poster out with the upcoming SANDSHIT (as Gaiman calls it) and the second T-shirt (there's one available already) will have the above caption ["How would you feel about life if Death was your older sister?"] along with the picture of Dream and Death. (Same one that's in the back of Doll's House TPB.) Not quite as good as Suicide Squid's "How would you feel about seafood if the ocean was your bathroom?" but I intend to buy one, drooling fanboy that I am. =================================================================== = From: parham@masig3.ocean.fsu.edu (Fred Parham) = Message-ID: <3731@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> According to the newest issue of Previews, DC comics will introduce the Global Shazam Corps this October, with one Captain Marvel from each religion. After the War of the Gods, Solomon, Hercules, Achilles, Zeus, Atlas, and Mercury will decide that having Greek, Roman, and Jewish figures sponsoring the same hero just doesn't work. Each Captain Marvel will have a different set of sponsoring figures, but their initials will all spell SHAZAM. For instance, the Christian Captain Marvel will get his or her (it didn't say which) powers from Son healing, walking on water, exorcism, etc. Holy Spirit prophecy, speaking any language Augustine writing Zacchaeus climbing, shrinking Andrew sailing, catching fish Mary interceding with God for any power not listed above and will first appear in the October issue of Suicide Squid, following Squiddy's epic three-issue battle with the persons of the Trinity. =================================================================== = From: seitz@netcom.COM (Chris Seitz) = Message-ID: <1991Aug11.012843.19653@netcom.COM> Please, please, PLEASE, let this all be some cruel, twisted joke.... =================================================================== = From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew) = Message-ID: <9108131817.AA12314@gizmo.frame.com> "This is all some cruel, twisted joke," he says, in an utterly dead voice, and with an utterly straight (more or less) face. "Feel better?" =================================================================== = From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) = Message-ID: <1991Aug11.061245.4417@agate.berkeley.edu> To quote David Wald: >How can anyone take seriously a posting that concludes with >information on Suicide Squid? > >I rather like the idea of posters contributing to SS continuity >rather than polluting the net with smileys. (Let me plug the archive at theory.lcs.mit edu, which has the complete Suicide Squid history available for anonymous ftp in the directory /pub/wald. Fun stuff.) =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Thomas Young Galloway) = Message-ID: <53512e2b3.000b097@caen.engin.umich.edu> I just sent out mail messages to those whose orders for a Suicide Squid t-shirt I've received, and those who had indicated interest via email but whose orders I have not received. If you fall into one of those two groups but did not get one of these messages, please let me know. I acknowledge all email about the squidshirts promptly, usually within a day of receiving it. If your order isn't already in the clutches of the post awful, I'm afraid you're out of luck for this run. If you're interested anyway, send me mail. If there's enough interest, it's possible that there might eventually be a second run, likely at a higher cost than this one was for a number of reasons. =================================================================== = From: scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu = Message-ID: <5786.28a3e561@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> Hey!!! Has anyone archived a lot of stuff on Suicide Squid? I want it, and I want it now..... Has anyone thought of dumping a lot of it onto an ftp site? Thanks.. =================================================================== = From: scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu = Message-ID: <5798.28a703b8@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> Wow. I just found, in the $0.25 bin at my local comic books store, one of the most unusual and rare comics of the early 70's. Since, apparently, none of you have stumbled across this little gem, I won't bother with spoiler warnings. But beware, what this issue reveals just MAY SHOCK YOU. It's an old, old issue of DC Showcase (I forget the issue #, but I can post it later if anyone requests...) that features a little-known DC/Marvel joint effort as Suicide Squid teams up with...yes, you guessed it, that fantastic disco-queen, the mistress of light and sequins... DAZZLER! Well, it was kinda a wasted effort anyway, as she only appears in five panels scattered over 3 pages, then abruptly gets sucked into Dr. Calamri (yes, even he shows up for a little while) who has managed to tranform himself into a sort of mystical/disco doorway between the Marvel and DC universes. In this, we get more and more indication that Squiddy is of extraterrestrial origin and that he might have been a GL sometime in the past. How else do you explain his irrational fear of a *yellow* meat cleaver that Dr. Calamari's thugs fling around? Also, we run into Clarice! This isn't for sure, but if it really is him/her, then it would be ol' Sweetcakes _only_ 70's appearance that I know of. He/she appears as a large black person (we really can't tell what sex he/she is), working the docks, is referred to as 'Sweetums' (not too far from Sweetcakes, is it?) before getting knocked into the water. Squiddy never finds the body. Until now, that is. Maybe? I dunno. And lastly, Suicide Squid DIES. Yep. I haven't seen any explanation of how they got him back, but at the end of this issue, Suicide Squid does just that, giving himself up to a chef that looks too reminiscent of Julia Child. I suppose that they wanted that familiarity just to drive the brutality of this home. I won't spoil it for you by explaining *why* he does it, but trust me, he was D-E-A-D by the end of this issue. Fried and eaten by Spiro Agnew. Not a prety sight. And this made it past the Comics Code! Anyway, just thought I'd let you know about this. It shocked my socks off and I'd definitely recommend it to anyone who can find it. A rare 70's Squid that didn't leave me nauseous. Sean (scduncan@miavx1.bitnet) "Suicide Squid! Thank god! You got here just in time!" -- some nameless victim "Keep on truckin'." -- Suicide Squid =================================================================== = From: parham@masig3.ocean.fsu.edu (Fred Parham) = Message-ID: <3787@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> What a coincidence. I had been meaning to post some stuff I found out about another DC/Marvel team up involving Suicide Squid. This one has Suicide Squid teaming up with Sister Voodoo. It will be drawn by Fred Hembeck (of course) and should be appearing around Christmas. But the really big news is ... THE RETURN OF HANNIBAL ECTOR!!!!!!!!! Yes, this November, the infamous insane animal psychiatrist who nearly killed Squiddy several months ago will be back. As loyal squiddites recall, Suicide Squid was saved from what seemed like certain death when Clarice reminded him that he, an Orthodox Jew, could not eat squid meat. Well, it seems like he's taken care of that problem. As a follow up to the War of the Gods/ Global Shazam Corps issues, Ector will be teaming up with Billy Batson's evil cousin Norman Batson, owner of the Batson Motel, who has no compunctions whatsoever about eating squid meat. Will Squiddy end up stuffed in Norman's root cellar? Will Ector's private detective nephew, who has been tracking him down in an attempt to clean the family name, become Jewish Captain Marvel? I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Oh, I should also mention that this issue of Suicide Squid will be coming out in four versions: one with the full cover, one with only the front cover, one with only the back cover, and one with no cover at all. Supposedly the coverless books are a metaphor for looking beneath the bright and cheerful surface of the superhero world to expose the sordid corruption and insanity below. I've also had a little advance notice of the special X-Men parody issue (you know, the one with the ten covers that nobody is allowed to buy more than one of). I had wondered about how they would fit this into the three-issue War of the Gods crossover (Squiddy versus the Trinity). Well, I've seen pictures of the covers. They show Squiddy fighting God the Father, who looks suspiciously like a certain bald telepath... =================================================================== = From: jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) = Message-ID: <1991Aug13.160518.105@watdragon.waterloo.edu> In article <10004@oasys.dt.navy.mil> kamalian@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Raffi Kamalian) writes: >After Reading the latest issue of Namor.. I have come to the general >conscenus that John Byrne is THE BEST! You came to a general group opinion all by yourself? Aaaiiieee! Legion walks among us! >He can DRAW (better than Lee in my opinion) So can Eisner.... ... >He can INK (I kind of like that Duo-Tone stuff) So can Suicide Squid. ... =================================================================== = From: parham@masig3.ocean.fsu.edu (Fred Parham) = Message-ID: <3791@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> From today's Miami Herald: "A mass of seaweed stretching 80 miles into the Gulf of Mexico clogged intake pipes and forced nuclear and coal-fired plants to shut down north of Tampa Bay on Monday...It's an unprecedented environmental phenomenon, said [a power company spokesman]. We've had seaweed problems, but never like this... [He] said utility officials had no idea what kind of seaweed was involved or why the problem appeared..." Could this be the origin of the radioactive kelp? :) Wait -- I just remembered something. There was a plot like this in the Golden Age Suicide Squid mag! A Japanese agent called the Weed Warrior used his power over seaweed to stop all ship traffic in San Francisco Bay. I don't know all the details of the plot, though, since I only heard about it second-hand; it was mentioned by a couple of characters in CephaloComix, a late 70's underground. In fact, the characters were stoned out of their minds when they mentioned it, so the story might not have actually appeared. Does anyone have first-hand knowledge of this? Fred Parham "Through sunlit shoals and seabed's murk I'll go wherever evil may lurk. No wicked deeds can ever be hid From the power of SUICIDE SQUID." =================================================================== = From: arromdee@cs.jhu.edu (Kenneth Arromdee) = Message-ID: <11206@emanon.cs.jhu.edu> I still think it's Sauncha. =================================================================== = From: 860099w@aucs.acadiau.ca (Marty Ward) = Newsgroups: alt.fan.suicide-squid = Message-ID: <860099w.682045427@aucs> = Date: 13 Aug 91 01:03:47 GMT tset. Hey, does this group actually exist? Qool. =================================================================== = From: jml12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan M Lennox) = Message-ID: <1991Aug13.050554.12976@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> = Date: 13 Aug 91 05:05:54 GMT No. You're imagining things. ... ObSS: So what's the deal with this Suicide Squid character, anyway? =================================================================== = From: rkelly@triton.unm.edu (Robert Kelly) = Message-ID: <1991Aug14.035328.2346@ariel.unm.edu> (recently experienced) The Usenet Oracle has pondered your question deeply. Your question was: > O self-consistent Oracle, whose logic surpasses logic itself, > > Do you nave no answers to this question? And in response, thus spake the Oracle: } Of COURSE I nave no answers to this Question. For _I_ am the } Oracle, and I nave NO ANSWERS whatsoever! In Fact, I nave not soooo } MANY answers, that people write to me from all over the world and } ask me the questions that I nave no answers for. } } So, when you ask me, do you nave no answers, the answers is an } indubitouble and inconcievable return to the basics of naving a } question! } } In fact it was said best by William P. Bakeshare in his play } "Homlet": } "To Nave or not to Nave, That is the Question!" } } Or even better said by Reverend Doctor Lartin Muthor Ping: } "I have a NAVE!" } (unfortunately, he was ridiculed because people thought } he was talking about whether his belly-button was an inny } or an outy) } } Or when Jayes Brawn was on stage: } "I could jump back and Nave myself! Ha!" } (which he promptly did and was arrested for the act) } } Or the Superhero Suicide Squid, Bane of Millions of Sushi-Loving } Proto-Yuppies: } "Dr. Calimari, Your days of Fiendish Naveite' is over!" } (which the evil Dr. Calimari responded, "Are Over, FishBait, } subjects and verbs must agree according to their plurality!" } } To which our intrepid hero replied, "Oh, of course. But that } doesn't mean you have the right to slaughter an eat Alonzo } just because he had a sex change and sings Calypso!" } } "Argh!" The evil doctor cringed, "Don't say that word!" } } "I'm sorry, I had no idea it would hurt you. Still, you } can't go around killing Calypso sing-" } } "ARGH!! STOP IT, I Surrennder!" Screamed the Crusty Dr. } Doctor Calmari. } } "That was rude of you to interrupt!" The Squidster crossed } his arms in defensiveness, "I was trying to say Alonzo is } guaranteed the right to the freedom of expression under the } Constitution and he can sing Calypso..." } } "YIEEEE!" } } "Be quiet! Have you no backbone?" } } "Of course not, you squishy doo-gooder, _I'm_ Doctor } Calimari!") } } } You owe the Oracle original copies of Suicide Squid #1, #2 and #3, } Gold Key edition and some sushi. =================================================================== = From: rkelly@triton.unm.edu (Robert Kelly) = Message-ID: <1991Aug14.040854.9603@ariel.unm.edu> Here is a collection of some of the Squidisms: "Dr. Calimari, Your days of Fiendish Naivite' is over!" "_Are_ Over, FishBait! Subjects and verbs must agree according to their plurality!" "ARGH!! STOP IT, I Surrennder!" screamed the crusty Doctor Calmari. "Be quiet! Have you no backbone?" "Of course not, you squishy doo-gooder, _I'm_ Doctor Calimari!" "The Seaweed of Crime bears a Bitter Fruit Salad." "The Seaweed of Crime bears bitter Sushi." "The Seaweed of Crime bears a closer examination." "I will not be BEATEN, BUTTERED or BATTERED!" "Dr. Calimari, isn't a little late for that?" "Mori, I _told_ you: eating fish is FINE, eating seaweed is FINE, But if you're eating them with rice in a lousy Japanese environment, you're consorting with the ENEMY!" "I want to be... Under the sea... in an Octopus' Garden...er... Sorry, Squid." "That's OK, Alonzo." From the Miami Herring: "A mass of seaweed stretching 80 miles into the Gulf of Mexico clogged intake pipes and forced nuclear and coal-fired plants to shut down north of Tampa Bay on Monday...It's an unprecedented environmental phenomenon, said [a power company spokesman]. We've had seaweed problems, but never like this... [He] said utility officials had no idea what kind of seaweed was involved or why the problem appeared... "Could it be the return of the mysterious Suicide Squid? Can we hope for a better future once again? Or are we making a lot out of nothing?" "Through sunlit shoals and seabed's murk I'll go wherever evil may lurk. No wicked deeds can ever be hid From the power of SUICIDE SQUID!" Send all Squidisms to rkelly@triton.unm.edu to be collected and bound into a rowdy and wild once-a-month posting (and Archived, of course.) =================================================================== = From: mhigh@trinity.bitnet (Aleph Null) = Message-ID: <9108141739.AA13843@ucbvax.berkeley.edu> I would like to remind everyone sending stuff to r.a.comics about Suicide Squid to also cross-post to alt.fan.suicide-squid. =================================================================== = From: rkelly@triton.unm.edu (Robert Kelly) = Message-ID: <1991Aug14.190230.26465@ariel.unm.edu> My newsfeed doesn't get this. So, you'll have to suffer. :-) =================================================================== = From: ddd@cvs.rochester.edu (Derryl D. DePriest) = Message-ID: <1991Aug15.040827.20088@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> ObSquid: Newsflash from the Cuttlefish Quarterly! Rumor has it there are to be *ten* cover variants of New Suicide Squid No. 1, each profiling a different arm of our Tentacular Titan. As a bonus, each cover will feature the Mighty Mollusc in a unique glow in the dark squid hologram, to coincide in a massive joint promotion with the mail-order giant Archee McPhee, who will once again be offerring their exclusive Glow-in-the-Dark rubber squid to a new generation of rabid collectors. =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Aug16.034312.11016@eddie.mit.edu> = Subject: Re: SPLIT: new newsgroups??? In article <13184@idunno.Princeton.EDU> sksircar@stroke.Princeton.EDU (Subrata Sircar) writes: >Partitioning along company lines is a perfect example of this - when >was the last time our threads didn't mutate to include Suicide Squid? >:<) > >I'd have to say that Suicide Squid would definitely fall under the >proposed independent newsgroup. Very independent. "Here sharks!" --Placard attached to a steak held by an SS tentacle on the official SS t-shirt =================================================================== = From: andrea@chimera.mitre.org (Andrea Ostensoe) = Newsgroups: alt.fan.suicide-squid = Message-ID: <1991Aug14.153138.14775@linus.mitre.org> = Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1991 15:31:38 GMT I usually "hang out" on ASH..but have always wondered about this group.. anyone know how it got started, how it is different from ASH.. eaten any squid lately? andrea =================================================================== = From: 860099w@aucs.acadiau.ca (Marty Ward) = Message-ID: <860099w.682208587@aucs> = Date: 14 Aug 91 22:23:07 GMT Suicide Squid originated from a posting in rec.arts.comics. Basically, it's an in-joke for that group. People will post something about SS instead of using smilies to indicate humour in their posts. Or they'll (well, me included) just post for the heck of it. Where the heck is Aleph Null, when you need him? =================================================================== = From: rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) = Message-ID: <8987@vela.acs.oakland.edu> = Date: 15 Aug 91 00:48:35 GMT As co-instigator of the adventures of the Cephalopod Crusader (tyg and I responded independently to the original typo), I must protest that Suicide Squid is to be taken FAR, FAR MORE SERIOUSLY than you indicate. In the hands of a sensitive creator Squiddy can be a vehicle for some valuable explorations of the [human|mollusc] pysche, as, I think, Justin Green and Alonzo Mori showed in their story of a young squid raised by nuns in BINKY BROWN MEETS SUICIDE SQUID CHRISTMAS SPECIAL. The scene where Squiddy shrugs off his anger at his tormentors and manages to save the orphanages ranks, in my mind, with the best of your mewling, puking, black-clad, Gauloise-smoking so-called "mainstream" lit'ry snob deconstructionist purveyors of trash disguised as. . . Sorry. What I want to know is, what is ASH and why the hell would anyone want to hang out there? =================================================================== = From: andrea@chimera.mitre.org (Andrea Ostensoe) = Message-ID: <1991Aug15.192126.19757@linus.mitre.org> = Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1991 19:21:26 GMT ASH is the abbreviation for alt.suicide.holiday..in our news groups the two are listed together (e.g. squid and ash). We hang out there because we is all crazeeeee. =================================================================== = From: KAWJB@ASUACAD.BITNET = Message-ID: <91235.114201KAWJB@ASUACAD.BITNET> = Date: 23 Aug 91 18:42:01 GMT C'mon over.... suicide is *not* just for squids..... Comics are nothing compared to the darkness of reality..... =================================================================== = From: 860099w@aucs.acadiau.ca (Marty Ward) = Message-ID: <860099w.682300962@aucs> = Date: 16 Aug 91 00:02:42 GMT rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes: >I must protest that Suicide Squid is to be taken FAR, FAR MORE >SERIOUSLY than you indicate. Oh geez, oh geez! You're right. What was I thinking? Must've been all those pesty, persistent, PUNISHER IS GREAT postings by Brad Gibson that has clouded my thinking. Anyway, yes, SUICIDE SQUID, definitely the Golden Age stuff is classic. The first anthropomorphic animal super-hero. Great four-colour art. These days, it's pretty good. I got the latest issue (#57?) and hope to review it in my Comically Correct Reviews soon. (plug plug) "Scum like you deserves the back of my tentacle" - SS =================================================================== = From: sksircar@phoenix.princeton.edu (Subrata Sircar) = Message-ID: <13216@idunno.Princeton.EDU> This is a listing of the all the articles available on the spool at Princeton, as of 6:00pm Thursday, August 15, 1991 (we have a 14 day expire). The articles are broken up by suggested catagories, with the number of articles sharing that Subject: line (including was Re: stuff) in front. ... Suicide Squid: (14/444) 1 20613 Suicide Squid t-shirt information 1 20621 Squid archive? 1 20754 USENET Oracle meets Suicide Squid 1 20756 SQUIDISMS 2 20675 Rare Squid Found! 2 20701 Suicide Squid: Life Imitates Art 2 20772 Suicide Squid 4 20471 Shazam Corps and Suicide Squid ... =================================================================== = From: jns@fernwood.mpk.ca.us (Jerry Sweet) = Message-ID: <1991Aug18.072719.22984@fernwood.mpk.ca.us> For all you Suicide Squid fans... Happened to be in Santa Cruz, CA today, and dined at a restaurant called India Joze. It's apparently celebrating the 12th International Calamari Festival there or some such rot. There was a small metal statuette in the waiting area entitled "Dances with Squids" -- a little girl and a squid doing a waltz, it would appear. Squid-themed art adorned the walls inside, including "The Squid Comes to Santa Cruz" -- a huge squid insinuating its tentacles around bridges, under the pier, and generally looking like the civil defense authorities' worst nightmare, rendered in aerial reconnaissance photo-like drawing. No, I'm not kidding. The food was great, by the way. No, I didn't sample the calamari--- I'm a vegetoid. =================================================================== = From: mcclue@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Patrick McClue) = Message-ID: <48658@netnews.upenn.edu> What is Suicide Squid?????? =================================================================== = From: rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) = Message-ID: <9144@vela.acs.oakland.edu> mcclue@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Patrick McClue) sez: >What is Suicide Squid?????? ^^^^ "Who" =================================================================== = From: ghost@ra.nrl.navy.mil (G. Host) = Message-ID: <568@ra.nrl.navy.mil> -> Subject: Re: Suicide Squad (not Squid ;-)) #57 (spoiler warning!) Please do not add "Squid" to Suicide Squad headers! This causes those Suicide Squad fans who are tired of hearing about Suicide Squid (and the varients) miss these articles since "Squid" is listed in their Kill files. The header above is just such an example. Your cooperation is appereciated. =================================================================== = From: 860099w@aucs.acadiau.ca (Marty Ward) = Message-ID: <860099w.682734566@aucs> Well, some of these titles came out last week, but the new ones are DHP and TMNT. Reviewed here - Cerebus #148 Suicide Squid #57 ... Suicide Squid #57 Chris Claremont, D. Sym DC Satisfactory That's right! CC has moved over to DC and now writes SS. And he does a good job too. Just like funny animal comics do (or are) parodies of well-known superhero comics, this anthropomorphic superhero does a parody on funny animal comics. And no Claremontisms and no angst. It's hard to believe he wrote it. It starts with Squidy swimming thru a strange sea-weed bed and he passes out. When he awakes he finds himself aboard a pirate ship in the Caribbean 300 years ago. He's the pirate captain and must battle pirates and pirate-hunters. Yes, there is a story to it, and he does find his way back to the future. But there is no need for a more technical reason why he goes back in time and how he returns. It's meant to be fun and is written sorta like when comics had adventures where the characters just found themselves in situations with no explanation. It's great. It's grand adventure. And I won't say how he gets back. Read it yourself. Well, I must say CC has impressed the heck out of me. Who'd be D. Sym? "Scum like you deserves the back of my tentacle." - SS ... =================================================================== = From: parham@masig3.ocean.fsu.edu (Fred Parham) = Message-ID: <3936@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> I picked up Frank Miller's (1980) Suicide Squid mini-series from my comics shop the other day. It's really good, so I'm surprised it's so obscure. After all, Miller's bringing back Gastropod Girl and Bivalve Boy after a ten-year absence only to have them killed by Suicide Squid's evil counterpart from Earth-3 *, Slaughter Squid, was the beginning of the whole grim-'n'-gritty comics movement. The centerfold spread with Suicide Squid discovering GG and BB's mutilated corpses is one of the best pieces of comics art I've seen, and the scene where Clarice is chased through the abandoned warehouse by the ninja master of disguise Clarence/Clarissa who has disguised himself/herself/itself as Clarice is absolutely gripping. The fight scenes with Suicide Squid versus Slaughter Squid's ninjas are, IMHO, much better than anything Miller did in Daredevil. If you can find a copy of this series, it's definitely worth buying. * Earth-3 was one of DC's alternate earths that got destroyed in the Crisis on Infinite Earths. It had a good Lex Luthor, whose son was a major character in the Crisis, and several evil counterparts of Earth-1 heroes. Fred Parham Suicide Squid's Tips for Comic Collectors, #1: Drool all over your comics as soon as you get them. Then, if they're ever stolen, a simple DNA test can show they're yours! =================================================================== = From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) = Message-ID: <1991Aug23.190926.26332@tc.fluke.COM> In <48658@netnews.upenn.edu> mcclue@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Patrick McClue) writes: >What is Suicide Squid?????? a) Swamp gas b) Mass hysteria =================================================================== = From: 860099w@aucs.acadiau.ca (Marty Ward) = Message-ID: <860099w.682990372@aucs> c) Squid that is poisonous if improperly prepared (like the blowfish) =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Thomas Young Galloway) = Message-ID: <539346382.000b097@shadow.engin.umich.edu> >We're taking you now to the 400-Post Relay already in progress. >Lane 1: rec.arts.startrek "Tasha Yar is a Romulan Spy" thread >Lane 2: comp.sys.mac.* "Bug in System 7?" >Lane 3: rec.arts.comics "Overweight Superheroes" >Lane 4: rec.arts.sf-lovers "Orson Scott Card & Homosexuality" >Lane 5: news.groups "Look what Kent mailed out" What Chris Berman didn't note is that, much like the U.S. in the Pan-Am Games, rec.arts.comics did not send its A-Frequent-Poster team of Tom "Cat" Galloway, Jerry "Mouse" Boyajian, Chris Jaroca-"Fudge"-Ernst, Jeff "Oscar" Meyer, and "Jungle" Jim Drew to the competition due to other commitments. Tom, Jerry, and Jim were out caging drinks by playing on their resemblences to Matt Groening, Steven Brust, and Brent Anderson, and all five were also in rehersals for their roles in the forthcoming Peter David written Suicide Squid vs. the Little Mermaid mini-series. Thus, none of them contributed to the thread chosen for the Usenet Olympics. The B-team which represented r.a.c. in this competition was also handicapped by the coach's decision to commute daily to the Olympics from luxury suites at the San Diego Comics Con. However, we feel ably represented by our contributors who were on the leading teams, Tim "David" Lynch and "Giant Rat of" Subrata Sircar. =================================================================== = From: byron@soda.berkeley.edu (Byron C. Go) = Message-ID: In article <1991Aug26.232248.306@wpi.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott N Streeter) writes: Are the Beast and Archangle suppost to be new versions of the original X-Men members Beast and The Angle?? Beast: yes Angle and Archangle : not quite. they're in the Golden Age Suicide Squid stories somewhere, aren't they? (I don't have my copies in front of me. Tyg?) ObComics: whatever happened to the planned Squid/X-Factor crossover? =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Aug27.022328.841@zip.eecs.umich.edu> ... Archangel is Angel after having his feathered wings cut off due to injuries and being mutated by Apocalypse to have blue skin, metallic wings which fly faster and are offensive weapons, and some of Apocalypse's personality mixed in. Angle and Archangle aren't X-Men, but rather totally separate members of the Suicide Squid Black Ink Irregulars. Angle is so named since before meeting Squiddy and seeing the light, he was a devoted angler. Archangle is a slightly demented architect/civil engineer whose goal in life is to modify the curved St. Louis Gateway Arch into two sides of an equilateral triangle with a bridge over the Mississippi making up the third side. =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Raffles" Smith) = Message-ID: <1991Aug27.090523.2357@cs.umn.edu> In article byron@soda.berkeley.edu writes: > >Angle and Archangle : not quite. they're in the Golden Age Suicide >Squid stories somewhere, aren't they? (I don't have my copies in >front of me. Tyg?) No. You're thinking of some of the educational films that Suicide Squid (actually, he was refered to as Scholastic Squid in later films) appeared in in the late 50s and early 60s. I think the Angle and the Archangle appeared in "Scholastic Squid vs. Euclidean Geometry." (One of the few battles Squiddie lost!) To be fair, both characters appeared in the Swamp Gas mini-series (where Squiddie learns he's a water elemental) but they are only in one of the early panels. When Squiddie first meets Gordon (his mystic guide) you can see them in the background chasing after a protractor. The artwork is poor (they've drawn the Angle as acute!) but I'm sure it's supposed to to be the two of them. >ObComics: whatever happened to the planned Squid/X-Factor crossover? I think its still in the works, but Marvel is having difficulties coming up with 52 (one for each week) cover designs. Last I heard they were stuck on number 4. =================================================================== = From: rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) = Message-ID: <9381@vela.acs.oakland.edu> byron@soda.berkeley.edu sez: >Angle and Archangle : not quite. they're in the Golden Age Suicide >Squid stories somewhere, aren't they? (I don't have my copies in >front of me. Tyg?) Silver Age. In fact, they were parodies of Cyclops and Angel (Cyclops' spatial whatchamacallit ability = ability to play the "angles", geddit?). They premiered a couple years after X-Men and Doom Patrol did (and there were rumors that Grant Morrison may bring back The Angle in DP a while back--I know he's a big fan). Angle and Arcangle (note spelling) were deemed too adult for the pre-teen audience that DC was aiming for in these days--all that trigonometry--and they went into comix limbo. They probably appeared in the Morrison-era Animal Man that featured the Inferior Five, somewhere in the background. Anyway, in the original run they only appeared two or three times, then Suicide Squid went off on that horrible side track in the mid-60s with *kid sidekicks* (yet) everywhere. Anyone remember Speed Limpet, the kid with the combination super-speed/mutant adhesive ability? Or the ultimate yucky character (imho), "Suicide Squid's Pal, Safety Shrimp"? I mean, there were times when Squiddy himself was practically crowded out of the book by these "Sea Urchins" (don't look at me, that's what they were called). =================================================================== = From: wga@po.CWRU.Edu (Will G. Austin) = Message-ID: <1991Aug28.151405.5835@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> In a previous article, rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) says: >* then Suicide Squid went off on that >*horrible side track in the mid-60s with *kid sidekicks* (yet) ... I wish you hadn't reminded me of that mid-60s trash--I'd mercifully forgotten about it. . . . . . =================================================================== = From: sksircar@stroke.Princeton.EDU (Subrata Sircar) = Message-ID: <13651@idunno.Princeton.EDU> byron@soda.berkeley.edu writes: >Angle and Archangle : not quite. they're in the Golden Age Suicide >Squid stories somewhere, aren't they? Their history is somewhat convuluted. They started life as part of the Golden Age Black Ink Irregulars, converted by Suicide Squid to follow the path of righteousness. In the Silver Age, they were brought back with new powers, but poor writing near the end of the run turned them into simple parodies of the two characters from the X-Men originally referred to. They also appear, with the rest of the "Sea Urchin" sidekicks, in the educational movies of that time. Their most recent mention was in the Annual, where they can be seen helping to hold off the minions of the Witch of the North by Northwest as the crop-duster comes through. It is rumored that they will be in the Suicide Squid/Tick TPB. Incidentally, they play a fairly large role in the background of Frank Miller's first mini-series (Two Frank Miller miniseries exist, one (1980) titled "Swamp Gas" and the other being the recent "The Murky Mollusk Returns".) In "Swamp Gas", where Suicide Squid learns he is a water elemental (which status is now in doubt, has Mori ever referred to this?) these two are revealed to be his Eternal Sidekicks (along with Clarice and Alonzo); the beings who accompany the Elemental through each age and help to shape it. The miniserires overall, in addition to being historically important as a basis for Squiddy post-Crisis and a grim-n-gritty forerunner, is quite good; it incorporates elements of myth reasonably seamlessly into the Squid mythos. If you see it in back issue bins, give it a shot; it's not likely to be there with the recent Miller craze ... "You are not the first Squid to walk the earth!" "Wait, you mean I can walk?!" - Suicide Squid, from the "Swamp Gas" miniseries =================================================================== = From: deveaux@tramp.colorado.edu (J.A. Deveaux) = Message-ID: <1991Aug29.144431.729@colorado.edu> In article , michael j pastor iii writes: >>as a side note: one time (in fallen angles) What's this? Angle and ArchAngle fell? When did this happen? How did I miss it? Was it after they had joined the Black Ink Irregulars? =================================================================== = From: jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) = Message-ID: <1991Aug29.174321.4387@watdragon.waterloo.edu> It's just speculation, but in one of the 'Sandman in Hell' issues, in the background can be seen two figures, apparently among the Fallen Host, who look remarkably like Angle and ArchAngle. Dunno the basis for making them date back to creation, although it would explain why Angle reacts so poorly to Jehova's Witnesses. =================================================================== = From: francis@wolfman.cis.ohio-state.edu (RD Francis) = Message-ID: In article <1991Aug27.090523.2357@cs.umn.edu> lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Raffles" Smith) writes: In article byron@soda.berkeley.edu writes: >ObComics: whatever happened to the planned Squid/X-Factor >crossover? I think its still in the works, but Marvel is having difficulties coming up with 52 (one for each week) cover designs. Last I heard they were stuck on number 4. No, actually, they've gotten up to around 10 designs so far; however, they're shelving the project until they can figure out the technical details of printing the 53 edition, which combines all 52 previous cover version into one gatefold cover. =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Raffles" Smith) = Message-ID: <1991Aug31.074455.7511@cs.umn.edu> While looking through the latest issue of Justice League Arkham, I noticed that they are running a reader poll. It seems after issue #61 the writers are planning big changes. They want the readers to write in and tell them which superheroes they want in the Justice League. They have made a *BIG* mistake. They have included a line for write-in votes. If you haven't figured out who I'm suggesting we make our write-in candidate, then you're not paying attention. Who better to kick start the JLA than the dark ink detective himself! I speak of none other than our own beloved master of the ocean, Suicide Squid! Think of it! Thousands of letters demanding that DC put the Squid back to work! It'll be a grass roots (kelp roots?) movement! A groundswell of popular opinion calling for the return of the most dangerous super hero in the pantheon of DC universes. Wanna know the scary thing? Since it's JLA, they just might do it. =================================================================== = From: mk3c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Melinda J. Klump) = Message-ID: While I usually overlook the SQUID posts, I saw the reference to the JLA actually asking for membership votes. Is this true? (As in Justice League America by DC comics?) If it is, it would be interesting to see if Squid makes it if we all attempt to write him in. =================================================================== = From: deveaux@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Jeff Deveaux) = Message-ID: <1991Aug31.091344.13369@colorado.edu> YOU'RE RIGHT!!! Calling all votes now!! Let's put the Squid into the JLI! Everybody send in your votes. =================================================================== = From: morpheus@cco.caltech.edu (Ken Bartlett) = Message-ID: <1991Aug31.104750.7674@cco.caltech.edu> I'm sending my S-Squid vote in tomorrow. Let's go for it. =================================================================== = From: 860099w@aucs.acadiau.ca (Marty Ward) = Message-ID: <860099w.683653937@aucs> lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Raffles" Smith) writes: >Think of it! Thousands of letters demanding that DC put the Squid >back to work! It'll be a grass roots (kelp roots?) movement! A >groundswell of popular opinion calling for the return of the most >dangerous super hero in the pantheon of DC universes. So that SS can be turned into a self-parody? Become a laughing-stock shallow un-characterized member of a team of bickering twits? No way. I am not going to let that happen to the Fearless Dark Ink Dectective. =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Raffles" Smith) = Message-ID: <1991Aug31.221959.14273@cs.umn.edu> Well, I thought about this. My opinion is that Batman makes occasional appearances in JLA and maintains his dignity. A grim and gritty character such as *THE SQUID* can resist the jovial atmosphere of the Justice League. ... As long as they don't have him say BWA-HA-HA, I think his reputation is safe. =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Raffles" Smith) = Message-ID: <1991Sep2.230401.18448@cs.umn.edu> People have been asking where they can send their SS-votes. Here is a cheap copy of the ballot that appears in JLA 55. You might want to find someone that has the issue and then just Xerox it. This may work. It may not. ---------------------(cut along the dotted line)---------------------- VOTE FOR LEAGUE MEMBERSHIP! In JLA #61 things are REALLY going to be shaken up. The member roster will change BIG TIME. And WE WANT YOUR INPUT. Your vote could set the membership for some time to come. Below are the people we're considering. Sorry if your favorite isn't there. ONLY ONE write-in vote per person. So, vote early... vote often. __ Aquaman __ Fire __ Maxwell Lord __ Batman __ Flash __ Metamorpho __ Black Canary __ General Glory __ Mister Miracle (Scott) __ Blue Beetle __ Green Arrow __ Oberon __ Blue Devil __ Green Lantern (Guy) __ Peacemaker __ BlueJay __ Green Lantern (Hal) __ Power Girl __ Booster Gold __ Hawkman __ Robin __ Captain Atom __ Hawkwoman __ Rocket Red __ Captain Marvel __ Huntress __ Silver Sorceress __ Creeper __ Ice __ Superman __ Crimson Fox __ J'onn J'onzz __ Tazmanian Devil __ Dr. Fate __ Kevin Dooley __ Wonder Woman __ Dr. Light __ Kilowog __ Elongated Man __ Lobo Write-In Vote: ______________________________________________________ Please send to JUSTICE LOG MEMBERSHIP, c/o DC Comics Inc., 1325 Avenue of the Americas, New York, NY 10019. Yes, a photo copy is OK. If, of course, you want to buy two issues, go ahead. There. Now just write SUICIDE SQUID! on the dotted line. Check a couple of other super heroes. Even if you don't read JLA-JLE-JLO, mark a couple at random just to make it look like you care. Remove the stuff that's not part of the ballot and send it in. If you have access to a laser printer you can replace the __ before each name with a little check box. The first line (VOTE et.) is also in bold. I had to scrunch it a bit, there are about 105 characters per line in the original ballot. They say to vote often so if you have some stamps you want to get rid of... =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Sep4.195901.24554@zip.eecs.umich.edu> I've emailed or spoken to Ryan and two of the volunteers for this year's Ellen Eades Memorial Masochism Awards Runner Award, and all have accepted the idea of my running a quick poll to determine who should run the R.A.C. Awards poll this year (which, personally, I'm going to start calling the Squidies). ... =================================================================== = From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek..) = Message-ID: <1991Sep4.212946.5436@milton.u.washington.edu> Hold it! Anyone who wants my vote will HAVE to call it the Squiddie! =================================================================== = From: hm0f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Hugh Moore) = Message-ID: >Well, lookie here. It had to happen, and it's going to happen in >November. Predator is going to invade Gotham City and Batman "is the >only person that can stop him." Oh, brother. If it took this long >for the Judge Dredd - Batman issue to hit the stands, I figure the >Predator - Batman book won't be out until, oh, maybe April of 1992 >instead of the scheduled release in November 1991. >stuff deleted > Personally, I'll take the Lobo Paramilitary Christmas Special #1 >over this Predator vs Batman thing in November. Oh, and did someone >tell you that in L.E.G.I.O.N. '92 #35 (also in November) Lobo is >going to be killed? Well, I just told you now. Is that a spoiler? >Oh oh. Uh. . . Will the Suicide Squid be involved in either of these? =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Sep3.203052.12245@zip.eecs.umich.edu> More news from Worldcon. Suicide Squad has been cancelled, but I'm not sure when the last issue will be. This is from various DC editors, as well as hearing that Ostrander posted about it on Compu$erve. Also, Disney has restructured its comics line and will only be doing three books, all of them reprints. Peter David's Little Mermaid is now a three issue mini-series, although if it does well it might be revived. Len Wein is no longer editor at Disney due to this restructuring. This info was obtained from Len. So much for the best shots for a Suicide Squid guest appearance... =================================================================== = From: rivers@beno.CSS.GOV (Wilmer Rivers) = Message-ID: <49952@seismo.CSS.GOV> Hellblazer # 46 was inked by no fewer than 4 individuals, due to deadline pressures. In the letter column, the editor (Stuart Moore) therefore gives "Special thanks to the Emergency HELLBLAZER Inking Squad." The "Inking Squad"? Do you suppose he could be referring to a crossover by ... nah, probably not. =================================================================== = From: steyn@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Gavin Steyn ) = Message-ID: <49923@netnews.upenn.edu> = Date: 6 Sep 91 15:43:55 GMT My last message should have read something like what are the latest developments in the Suicide Squid story, I think it's really funny, never read Suicide Squad, etc...all that intro stuff. I don't know where the message disappeared to. That's computers for you. Jennie =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Raffles" Smith) = Message-ID: <1991Sep8.004432.22212@cs.umn.edu> In article <49952@seismo.CSS.GOV> rivers@beno.CSS.GOV (Wilmer Rivers) writes: >Hellblazer # 46 was inked by no fewer than 4 individuals, due to >deadline pressures. In the letter column, the editor (Stuart Moore) >therefore gives "Special thanks to the Emergency HELLBLAZER Inking >Squad." The "Inking Squad"? Do you suppose he could be referring >to a crossover by ... nah, probably not. Be still my pounding heart! Would DC give away secret identies so easily? Probably not. BTW, couldn't Squiddie have handled the job himself? Assuming two arms per job? Probably run a little low on ink towards the end. Prompting the world famous Squid Quote: "I.....hurt." =================================================================== = From: oluap@athena.mit.edu (Paulo Alexandre Pereira) = Message-ID: <1991Sep9.052820.1352@athena.mit.edu> Does anyone know if "The Human Target", starring Rick Springfield, was picked up by ABC for the new Fall season? ... Flash last season. The Human Target this season. Can a Suicide Squid TV mini-series be far behind? =================================================================== = From: cje@elbereth.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt) = Message-ID: The only problem I foresee with Suicide Squid as a write-in candidate for JLA membership is this: * If DC accepts the vote, "Suicide Squid" becomes a property of DC Comics. I rather like having Squiddy as the unofficial mascot of r.a.c., and thought of losing our copyleft to DC's copyright makes me sad. =================================================================== = From: sksircar@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Subrata Sircar) = Message-ID: <13832@idunno.Princeton.EDU> hankins@cs.swarthmore.edu (Luke Hankins) writes: >Just wondering What will be the team that is going to be active in >the Uncanny X-Men? Jean,Storm,Archangle(?),Iceman(?),Colossus and >Who? No, no. ArchAngle is the Suicide Squid character - last seen damned to Hell in Sandman (which is a long time for an Eternal Companion). =================================================================== = From: sksircar@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Subrata Sircar) = Message-ID: <14132@princeton.Princeton.EDU> cdr@kpc.com (Carl Rigney) writes: >The Sandman annual should be out sometime this month, as well as >various merchandizing tricks like a Death watch, a poster, a T-shirt, >a statue of Dream, and a Pez dispenser in the shape of the Threshold. Does this mean that the Sandman will appear in the Suicide Squid/Tick crossover trade paperback? I can hardly wait! =================================================================== = From: khale@dawnstar.Eng.Sun.COM (Abhijit Khale) = Message-ID: <20323@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> In article jf2z+@andrew.cmu.edu (John Charles Fiala) writes: >Hi, all. I've been compiling a sort of short 'scorecard' on the >'Holy Terror' book, and I was wondering if someone could send me >information on the 'Lori' mentioned that the state had mated with >Arthur, and died in childbirth. Lori = Lori Lemaris, an old flame of Superman's. She was a mermaid. ... There were also rumors of a Lori-Suicide Squid teamup at one point, but that never happened. Too bad, they would have made a perfect couple :-). =================================================================== = From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Enrique Conty) = Message-ID: <1991Sep23.224405.27960@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> = Subject: Re: Contents of that Government Warehouse In article <1991Sep23.073638.8222@chinet.chi.il.us>, dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung) writes: > > Heck, let's go back even farther... > -- George Washington's membership card for the Masons ... along with several letters signed "George Washington" and "Adam Weisshaupt", and a memo signed by a grafologist claiming that both sets were written by the same person. Other things in there: - The unicorn scene from BLADE RUNNER. - Laserdisc copies of all Hayao Miyazaki films -- UNCUT and in ENGLISH. - Schubert's last symphony (complete). - A short mathematical proof that the travelling salesman problem can be solved in polynomial time. - An Elder God, dead. - A pouch of sand, a red ruby on a chain, and a strange insect-like mask. - The last 7 presidents and vice presidents, frozen -- including Bush & Quayle. - My master's degree. - Several Caroline clones (they work there). - A Kirelean (sp?) photograph of Stonhenge -- showing auras on all the stones, including the missing ones. - A silver albatross. - An old-fashioned green railroad-man's lantern, and a collection of green rings of various shapes and sizes. - The original manuscript for Bible II: The Son Strikes Back. - Various and sundry archaeological relics from Mu, Lemuria, Atlantis, Shangri-La, and Xanadu. - A complete set of the Golden Age Suicide Squid comics. =================================================================== = From: sakai@rana.usc.edu (Mitsuhiro Sakai) = Message-ID: <36120@usc.edu> Hello! I received the command to return from my company. So, I will go back to Japan at Oct.4th. Thank you for all of your posts and re-posts to me. I had amused very much with your opinion. Thank you and goodbye. Sincerely, Mitsuhiro Sakai sakai@rana.usc.edu ps. Please forget SUICIDE SQUID, please!! (^_^); =================================================================== = From: am110@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Philip J. Flores) = Message-ID: <1991Sep26.222706.10862@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ... Also, there haven't been nearly enough postings lately about Suicide Squid. What's the matter people? Didn't you see the latest issue with the (literally) steamy love scene between Squiddy and Dolphin? It was the first DC comic to ever have "For Adults Only" on the cover. Who would have thought that DC would enter the smut glut? =================================================================== = From: arromdee@cs.jhu.edu (Kenneth Arromdee) = Message-ID: <50036@cs.jhu.edu> The issue was a reprint which took material from Suicide Squid #1 (not the regular series, the one which never was published except for Cancelled Comics Cavalcade #3). It was a failed 1970's experiment and is being published more for completeness than anything else, so don't expect to see more of the same, or to even see it as part of continuity within the rest of Squiddy's current series. =================================================================== = From: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne) = Message-ID: <1991Oct1.185531.24324@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> In a previous article, lonewolf@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Benoy Koshy) says: >mourtos@caen.engin.umich.edu (Alex Mourtos) writes: >>So is this Platinum cover Spiderman 1, the cover with the silver ink >>on it, or is the platinum one different? Is it true that this >>version has a few extra pages in it? > >Yup, there are new pages of art in it. Saw it myself. The store >around here isn't selling theirs. It was part of a deal where the >store had to apply to get it from marvel with proof that they own a >store like a picture of the store, business license etc etc...and >they send 1 copy/store. A store here in Cleveland has the uranium edition of Suicide Squid #1, but they want $15,000 for it. Can anyone tell me if this is a fair price? =================================================================== = From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Enrique Conty) = Message-ID: <1991Oct1.193831.4338@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> Not for the URANIUM edition. You see, the stasis field generator (used to preserve the comic, natch) is powered by the radiation in the comic itself. Thus, the generator for the Uranium version is a lot weaker than the one for the Plutonium version. =================================================================== = From: kps@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Karthik P Sheka) = Message-ID: <1991Oct1.194627.28286@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> Definitely! In fact, if you can give me the name of the store, I'll buy it myself! I bought a copy of the u.e. Suicide Squid#1, and got an offer from a small middle-eastern country. I eventually sold it to them, but not before getting some other bids. (It turned out that the one I bought was one of the five Uranium-235 editions printed. -- There is only one of them left, BTW. The one I sold has been dismantled, and a collector put three of them in the same safe a few months ago. Apparently, three Suicide Squid#1's == critical mass.) =================================================================== = From: parham@masig3.ocean.fsu.edu (Fred Parham) = Message-ID: <4524@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> I certainly don't think so. If you want radioactive Suicide Squid comix, it's lots cheaper to buy the recent issue with the glow-in-the-dark tentacles, AKA the "Radium Edition". (Or was it glow-in-the-dark radioactive kelp? Ever since I read it, I've been feeling sort of ill, and I'm having trouble remembering things). =================================================================== = From: rkelly@triton.unm.edu (Robert Kelly) = Message-ID: <_qtc+ql@lynx.unm.edu> Man, I HATE it when that happens! You spend good money on this fancy limited edition and then you can't remember a bloody thing! =================================================================== = From: mattel@auto-trol.com (Matt Telles) = Message-ID: <1991Oct2.143648.18784@auto-trol.com> Actually, this is a fabulous price. As you know, most of the uranium copies of SS #1 were wiped out when three copies made of U238 were placed in the same dealer room (quite against publisher orders, I might add). The resulting explosion destroyed most of the copies (as well as a large chunk of downtown LA) and jacked the price *way* up there. Copies for $25,000 have been heard of. P.S. Look carefully at the last page. Does it have the scene with Spiderman being crushed under SS's heel? If not, it is worth even more... =================================================================== = From: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne) = Message-ID: <1991Oct3.111155.24653@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> My version has a special 'breaking the fourth wall' page and shows SS crushing Todd McFarlane under his heel... =================================================================== = From: mattel@auto-trol.com (Matt Telles) = Message-ID: <1991Oct4.150311.2827@auto-trol.com> Yes, yes, but those are a dime a dozen. Unless, of course it has Squiddy and Chuckles the clown on page 39..... =================================================================== = From: rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) = Message-ID: <10390@vela.acs.oakland.edu> THIS IS SO BOGUS. Kids, don't pay any attention to this--it's a hoax designed to make you gullible newbies scratch your heads and bug your comix dealers. Now pay attention: Suicide Squid does NOT have heels. He's a STRICTLY flats kinda guy. =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: <1991Oct4.211941.1710@cs.umn.edu> This is true now, but are you forgetting the "high heel and garter belt days" when Howard C. was doing SS? BTW, anyone know when the SS watch is coming out? Sounds interesting but I ran out of possible uses for the ten hands after the eon hand. =================================================================== = From: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne) = Message-ID: <1991Oct6.015014.18335@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> This watch will be useful for people who like to chart different time zones. =================================================================== = From: mdewis@pieman.compserv.utas.edu.au (Mark Richard Dewis) = Message-ID: <9110060319.AA29848@pieman.compserv.utas.edu.au> I particularly liked the feature where turning the winding knob widdershins thrice enables you to use the century hand as a mini-speargun :) ... "...but SS, are you sure it's safe to go in?" "Of course, Alonzo. Dr.Calimari can't poss-" *slice* *slice* *slice* (Panel goes red) =================================================================== = From: arromdee@cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) = Message-ID: <50082@cs.jhu.edu> In article <1991Oct2.143648.18784@auto-trol.com> mattel@auto-trol.com (Matt Telles) writes: >As you know, most of the uranium copies of SS #1 were wiped out when >three copies made of U238 were placed in the same dealer room (quite >against publisher orders, I might add). It must have been mutant U-238 since U-238 doesn't explode.... =================================================================== = From: mattel@auto-trol.com (Matt Telles) = Message-ID: <1991Oct3.142636.24157@auto-trol.com> Geez. What universe do *you* live in? Right here in the US of G, Uranium 238 has always and will always explode *violently*. I suppose the next thing you are going to tell me is that acetylsalicylic acid is STABLE!! What is it with these weird cross-universe people anyway.... (Any *yes* I know about U235 in YOUR universe....) =================================================================== = From: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne) = Message-ID: <1991Oct2.122601.10314@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> OK. But is $20,000 a good price for the Tachyon version? =================================================================== = From: jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) = Message-ID: <1991Oct2.155028.20436@watdragon.waterloo.edu> No. We're just seeing the last trickle of SS:TEs produced in 2113. In the first printing, they converted Pasiphae into copies of SS:TE, and the majority of those don't show up until just after Bush's heart attack happened next year. Can you 'price collapse'? The second printing used all of 1986U1, but they missed the target date. It looks like all 1x10**15 tonnes of it ended up on Earth in the late Cretaceous. Major oopsie. Good thing the Ek was low and tachyon-tardyon reaction is so improbable or things might have been even worse. =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: <1991Oct1.220415.27132@cs.umn.edu> Does anyone recall the problems DC was having with their limited edition SS issues? Wasn't it the Californium issues that only lasted about three minutes? Didn't they try to find a new element and try to call it Squidium? =================================================================== = From: parham@masig3.ocean.fsu.edu (Fred Parham) = Message-ID: <4527@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> I don't know about that, but I remember reading an article in Comics Buyers' Guide about how they were planning to have americium and thorium issues but their lawyers wouldn't let them -- too much chance of legal problems with Marvel. =================================================================== = From: ncrawler@bluemoon.rn.com (Steve Goldfein) = Message-ID: Do you mean they actually put a radioactive metal in the paper or the ink of a comic book? Wouldnt that cause the book to age and show its age faster? =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: <1991Oct4.212122.2013@cs.umn.edu> Sure. The folks who sell the book are expecting to make extra money when they sell the reprints. =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: <1991Oct3.220729.7437@cs.umn.edu> In article <1991Oct3.145946.2891@zip.eecs.umich.edu> tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes: >The October 4th issue of CBG had two R.A.C. related ads in the >classified section. While the ad with Michael Rawdon's name at the >end was pretty clear as to who placed it (said ad being "How about >the return of Dynamo Joe, the (Klein/Mcmanus [sic]) Omega Men, and >the Justice Society. Couldn't hoit! [sic] Michael Rawdon."), I'm >curious as to who placed the other one which went: > >"Zombies! Cast off your X-Force, your Darkhawk! Read something >intelligent: Cerebus, Sandman, Foolkiller, Swamp Thing, and Usenet's >Rec. Arts. Comics! [sic]" Now let me get this straight. Someone has gone to the trouble of having an ad appear in the CBG with a plug for r.a.cuttlefish and they didn't mention the Dark Water Avenger? Someone has a lot of explaining to do.... =================================================================== = From: morpheus@cco.caltech.edu (Ken Bartlett) = Message-ID: <1991Oct4.065740.18276@cco.caltech.edu> In article <1991Oct4.155139.1@st1.vuw.ac.nz> havok@st1.vuw.ac.nz writes: > > Everyone has been going on about who should play who in the X-men, >but I want to know who is going to play the REAL hero of The X-men >movie, the darling of the skies, yes none other than > > LOCKHEED the master of flame and flight! > > Rumour has it that Benji the wonder dog and Flipper the dolphin are >trying to get this coverted part. While outsiders like Skippy the >bush kangaroo and the new Cheetah from the recently released "Tarzan" >TV show are also trying for the part. Though a star of the old >"Terminator" movie seems destined to get it, none other than the >unnamed iguana that was the "pet" of Sarah Connor. With some sort of special effects to make him look smaller, and a few foam rubber wings, I think that there's only one person (sorry, creature) for the role of Lockheed! Suicide Squid, of course! --Dream (they can do amazing things with makeup these days) =================================================================== = From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) = Message-ID: <1991Oct7.065244.1687@agate.berkeley.edu> = Date: 7 Oct 91 06:52:44 GMT Well, the new issue of _Suicide Squid_ is out, and things are getting mighty confusing. These two new characters look really interesting; they seem like alternate-dimensional versions of Squiddy himself -- but that can't be, post-Crisis, can it? Does anyone know if Seppuku Squid and Martyr Mollusc have appeared anywhere before? And how about that one-page subplot in outer space? We know that Alonzo is from Tau Ceti, so the lobster aliens are probably of his race. But how come their spaceships look *exactly* like Squiddy -- all the way down to the birthmark just above the fourth tentacle? The "ink-jet" cloaking device was rather clever,though, I thought. Hmm. A thought just occurred to me: we know that SS's ink is "genetically curious". Could it be that these Squidships are actually *alive*, and Squiddy himself is one of them, that somehow escaped? His small size could be due to mutation or immaturity. Still, I would have thought that Mori would be above borrowing from Claremont so blatantly. Still, if Morrison can do the "people-eating-elevator" thing in _Kid Eternity_, I guess Mori can follow suit... =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: <1991Oct7.073409.17925@cs.umn.edu> = Date: 7 Oct 91 07:34:09 GMT Hmmmm, I seem to recall a Seppuku Squid and Man-Mussel who appeared in the Seafood Special that was available only through Red Lobster Restaurants. They were pretty awful. Perhaps this is a "Gaimanization" where new life is breathed back into tired old characters. Can the "Books of Fish" be far behind? Never heard of Martyr Mollusk. Looks a little like Anodonta the Miracle Mollusk. Didn't Anodonta die in the Scrod War limited mini series? Perhaps that was a scrod disguised as Anodonta and the miracle mollusk has been reborn (again!) >The "ink-jet" cloaking device was rather clever,though, I thought. Does anyone else recall something like the ink-jet cloaking device in the short lived Squid Track series? I think it was in the Wrath of Prawn mini series. Of course, the ships in that were pretty standard. >Could it be that these Squidships are actually *alive*, and Squiddy >himself is one of them, that somehow escaped?... I thought of this. Since we know SS is really a sea elemental it's possible that in the alternate reality (tm) the Tau Cetians have some how harnassed the power of the sea and their ships come in this shape. I don't like this. It smacks of another "green" message issue. BTW, what ever happened to the Squid Eternity series that was announced just about the same time as Kid Eternity? Has it been pulled or just retitled? =================================================================== = From: mkelly@dumpster.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) = Message-ID: <1991Oct7.194134.3147@news.nd.edu> = Date: 7 Oct 91 19:41:34 GMT Damn! It was Seppuku Squid who appeared in this issue? I remember in last issues' next issue blurb, they said something about the first appearance of PS (in this book), the return of SS and the unbelievable connection to MM. We know from the Advanced Order forms that PS is the Phantom Stranger, and I was kinda hoping for Mister Miracle, but I'm downright upset about Seppuku. Wasn't he taken out (literally -from a fish and chips stand) by his twisted cousin, Kami-Calimari, in _The_Divine_Squid_ TP? (no relation to Dr. Calimari.) Who is editing this book, Jim Shooter? Haven't these people ever heard of continuity! >But how come their spaceships look *exactly* like Squiddy -- all the >way down to the birthmark just above the fourth tentacle? I suspect this is one of those Douglas Adams HHGTTG coincidences, or maybe, Squiddy will end up being propelled through time, and become a symbol of reverence of the Tau Crustetians. I suppose the latter is more likely, since we were promised (what seems like years ago) that Squiddy would end up meeting some of DCs famous characters (Sgt. Rock, Anthro, etc.) Is there any truth to the rumor that DC is going to use Veitch's Crucifiction script in an upcoming issue of Suicide Squid? =================================================================== = From: parham@masig3.ocean.fsu.edu (Fred Parham) = Message-ID: <4590@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> = Date: 7 Oct 91 15:58:32 GMT In article <1991Oct7.073409.17925@cs.umn.edu> lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes: > BTW, what ever happened to the Squid Eternity series... It's being published as "The Shazam Squid Family Starring Squid Eternity." The main plot deals with the sea urchin villain Mr. Mentality (the Earth's Evilest Echinoderm) and his secret plan to get the SSF to join his new Legion of Evil Super-Invertebrates. There have been several retcons of the SSF's powers. For instance, Slimy the Marvel Squid now gets the powers of Clytemnestra, Electra, Phaedra, Hippolytus, Actaeon, Laocoon, Orestes, Philomela, Oedipus, and Daphne when he says "CEPHALOPOD." =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: <1991Oct7.172921.102@cs.umn.edu> = Date: 7 Oct 91 17:29:21 GMT [You really had to work for that one, didn't you Fred?] Shouldn't Oediupus be Ommastrephes and Philomela be Poseidon? Or am I thinking of the distaff expression? Laocoon seems appropriate. It also seems strange that we should be mentioning Hippolytus and Phaedra in the same breath as The Shazam Squid Family... =================================================================== = From: smahmad@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Shaad M. Ahmad) = Message-ID: <14971@princeton.Princeton.EDU> = Date: 7 Oct 91 17:15:09 GMT = Subject: Re: What are your top three "never miss" titles? 1. Sandman 2. Zot (when Scott comes back to it -- sniff!) 3. Suicide Squid =================================================================== = From: Spiro the Spiny Goldfish = Message-ID: <91280.183709MXD118@psuvm.psu.edu> = Date: Monday, 7 Oct 1991 18:37:09 EDT 1. Sandman 2. Suicide Squad 3. Suicide Squid =================================================================== = From: rooney@oxy.edu (Michael Sean Rooney) = Message-ID: <184528@tiger.oxy.edu> = Date: 8 Oct 91 20:06:38 GMT ... In no particular order: -- Beautiful Stories for Ugly Children -- Suicide Squid -- Lone Wolf and Cub (Of course, if not for the radiant presence of SS on the above list, either CONCRETE, THE SANDMAN, or LOVE & ROCKETS would be there. Or mayhap any one of the Mighty DeFalco's estimable titles.) =================================================================== = From: mdewis@PIEMAN.COMPSERV.UTAS.EDU.AU (Mark Richard Dewis) = Message-ID: <9110072241.AA12754@pieman.compserv.utas.edu.au> = Date: 8 Oct 91 14:41:04 GMT Thanks for posting the description of the 'current' issue of Suicide Squid, guys. >:( Ever heard of spoilers? Australian readers don't get our comics until a couple of months after US release (surface mail, you see?). BTW, is anyone aware of the Suicide Squid newspaper strip that ran in the fifties and early sixties? One of my warmest comic memories is of a reprint issue (now gone to Lostralia) featuring Squiddy exploring the rivers of Africa and fighting American hoods. The art was pretty chunky as I recall, and you got that annoying recap of the story every half dozen panels, but the story was good, solid adventure with lots of action. Any clues? -- mdewis@pieman.compserv.utas.edu.au "Suicide Squid moves like...a really fast | Mark Dewis, University squid, i guess" - old jungle saying | of Tasmania, Australia. "Hey, this sucker mark won't come off..." | ----------------------- - nameless American hood in Africa | aka Richard of Dunheved "SS's hammer blows need no follow up!" | of Ynys Fawr Shire. =================================================================== = From: cornwall@brahms.udel.edu (Ray J Cornwall) = Message-ID: <24903@brahms.udel.edu> = Date: 8 Oct 91 14:08:28 GMT = Subject: Top Ten Differences if Cerebus Was a Marvel Book 10. Days of Future Aardvarks 9. The Infinity Albatross 8. Cerebus the Mutant Aardvark 7. Oscar's back from the dead- and he's got the Techno-Virus!!! 6. Too many Spider-man Crossovers 5. Cerebus Quote: Cerebus is the best there is at what Cerebus does 4. Multiple-covered Cerebus 300 These last three would only happen if Tom DeFalco personally wrote the book: 3. Cerebus gets Tarim mad and is whisked away to limbo; he's replaced by that priest in the early issues who dressed in an aardvark suit to appear God-like 2. Cerebus #301- Cerebus Lives! 1. Jaka the Skrull Now I wonder what DeFalco would do to Suicide Squid...:) =================================================================== = From: MHIGH@TRINITY.BITNET (Aleph Null) = Message-ID: <9110081509.AA09152@nettlerash.berkeley.edu> = Date: 8 Oct 91 15:08:17 GMT With this recent outbreak of Suicide Squid messages, no one's been crossposting to alt.fan.suicide-squid!!!!!!!!!!!! For those (few) people who have access to this group, please do so. PS Are there any Suicide Squid tees left for sale? Inquiring minds want to buy. =================================================================== = From: sean@spcc.uucp = Message-ID: <1991Oct8.032524.83@spcc.uucp> = Date: 8 Oct 91 08:25:23 GMT ... And speaking of Cross-Overs... Did anyone catch the Suicide Squid/Namor Cross-Over drawn by John Byrne??? Now that was art!!! =================================================================== = From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) = Message-ID: <1991Oct9.030802.16708@agate.berkeley.edu> = Date: 9 Oct 91 03:08:02 GMT In article <9110081509.AA09152@nettlerash.berkeley.edu> MHIGH@TRINITY.BITNET (Aleph Null) writes: )... no one's been crossposting to alt.fan.suicide-squid!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, heck. I *created* the group, and even *I* don't have access to it any more. Really bad propagation. Anyone feel like posting to alt.config, and then sending out another newgroup message? (I don't...) =================================================================== = From: ric@netcom.COM (Richard A. Bretschneider) = Message-ID: <1991Oct09.042303.26180ric@netcom.COM> = Date: 9 Oct 91 04:23:03 GMT Here are the results of the "If you could only pick up three titles a month, what would they be?" poll. Nice turnout, some interesting results in the midrange, and a clear cut winner. 23 - Sandman 9 - Cerebus 7 - Hellblazer 5 - Miracleman 5 - Doom Patrol 5 - Akira 4 - X-Men 4 - X-Factor 4 - Legion of Super Heroes 3 - Suicide Squid (Scarey, eh?) 3 - Incredible Hulk 3 - Concrete 2 - Usagi Yojimbo 2 - Uncanny X-Men 2 - Suicide Squad 2 - Love and Rockets 2 - Justice League 2 - Green Arrow 2 - Excalibur 2 - Deathlock 2 - Dark Horse Presents 2 - Beautiful Stories for Ugly Children The following each got one vote: ... =================================================================== = From: wyvern@agora.rain.com (Mak-kuro Kurosuke) = Message-ID: <1991Oct9.005446.5041@agora.uucp> = Date: 9 Oct 91 00:54:46 GMT In article lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes: >BTW, anyone know when the SS watch is coming out? Sounds interesting >but I ran out of possible uses for the ten hands after the eon hand. Are you counting the millenium hand? =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Oct9.190833.9750@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 9 Oct 91 19:08:33 GMT In article <10472@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes: > sasha.bbs@shark.cse.fau.edu sez: > > >3. Hawkworld - A really accurate portrayal of aliens attempting to > > fit in in Chicago. Good plot and art. > > What does "accurate" mean here? True to all known cases of aliens > attempting to fit in in Chicago in the real world? While the set-up was likely too good to resist (particularly for one of the first Suicide Squid posters), I have to agree with what I think was the intent of Sasha's post. ... =================================================================== = From: u6409886@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au = Message-ID: <1991Oct10.104045.2493@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au> = Date: 10 Oct 91 00:40:45 GMT Has anyone else heard of the rumoured Suicide Squid/Watchmen crossover series and movie. As I hear it, Squiddy finds out that the cephalopodish creature Ozzymandias used at the end of Watchmen was really his third cousin, and sets out for revenge. Apparently there's a really nice scene where Squiddy takes Ozzy to task for having a password that's so easy to guess, *and* for having a prompt that says "would you like to add a rider" just in case you get it wrong the first time. Incidentally, that wouldn't be squiddies first film appearence - remember his cameo in 20,000 Leagues beneath the sea? =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: <1991Oct10.024937.29911@cs.umn.edu> = Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1991 02:49:37 GMT OK, everyone see Wednesday's Far Side? Are fans of Suicide Squid "Squidheads"? And when did Larsson get net access? =================================================================== = From: jim@rand.org (Jim Gillogly) = Message-ID: <1991Oct9.150602.28065@rand.org> = Date: 9 Oct 91 15:06:02 GMT In article <1991Oct7.065244.1687@agate.berkeley.edu> goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes: >Could it be that these Squidships are actually *alive*... Good eye. Are we looking at a Suicide Squid/Buckaroo Banzai crossover starting? The Lectroid ships aren't terribly unlike these Squidships, and are described as "grown" in the novelization. =================================================================== = From: parham@masig3.ocean.fsu.edu (Fred Parham) = Message-ID: <4663@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> = Date: 10 Oct 91 14:34:31 GMT In article <1991Oct10.122813.29724@zip.eecs.umich.edu> tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes: >The SS has just been supporting characters in Quasar for almost a >year now. But -- the Suicide Squid is a DC character! How can Marvel use him in one of their books? And even if it's legal, I'd think that they could find some better use for him than supporting other characters, though I guess he's pretty good at it since, assuming it takes one limb to support someone, he can support 5 times as many characters as anyone else. =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Oct12.011539.5680@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 12 Oct 91 01:15:39 GMT In article <8020@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) writes: Spoilers from Advance Comics >In December, Warlock gets his own title, called "Warlock and the >Infinity Watch." OK, let's get all the bad jokes out of the way now... I suppose it's an improvement over the Infinity Gauntlet, in that an Infinity Watch would at least have a wristband which'd make it harder to get off. Still seems like a cheap watch though...only a 6 jewel movement. One does wonder if this is similar to the Suicide Squid 10-handed watch... let's see, second hand, minute hand, hour hand, day hand, week hand, month hand, year hand, millenium hand, eon hand, and infinity hand? ... =================================================================== = From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) = Message-ID: <1991Oct13.090329.28706@agate.berkeley.edu> = Date: 13 Oct 91 09:03:29 GMT Suicide Squid: ten arms against a sea of troubles. =================================================================== = From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) = Message-ID: <1991Oct15.041228.3981@tc.fluke.COM> = Date: 15 Oct 91 04:12:28 GMT In <1991Oct3.111155.24653@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> ac985@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joel Tscherne) writes: > >My version has a special 'breaking the fourth wall' page and shows SS >crushing Todd McFarlane under his heel... What?! I bid $30,000!! =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Oct15.222831.20709@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 15 Oct 91 22:28:31 GMT According to the latest CBG, Sandman #19, A Midsummer Night's Dream, is a nominee for the World Fantasy Award in the short story category... No mention was made of any Suicide Squid nominations, particularly the superior "Amid Swimmers' Night Dreams" story. =================================================================== = From: sksircar@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Subrata Sircar) = Message-ID: <15517@princeton.Princeton.EDU> = Date: 16 Oct 91 03:46:47 GMT Truly an oversight. One trusts that this will be retified. Write-in campaign, anyone? :<) =================================================================== = From: kieran@cmatter.physics.indiana.edu (Kieran Mullen) = Message-ID: <1991Oct16.052947.21332@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> = Date: Wed, 16 Oct 91 05:29:47 GMT = Subject: Re: Constantine appearances He also makes a brief cameo appearance in Suicide Squid (can't remember the exact issue number - can someone help?) He is singing on stage with some band; the lyrics were something strange about "Russians loving their children...". It's the issue where Clarice and Squiddie break up (again!). =================================================================== = From: parham@masig3.ocean.fsu.edu (Fred Parham) = Message-ID: <4824@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> = Date: 21 Oct 91 16:06:07 GMT = Subject: Re: DC: Sandman Statue In article <1991Oct21.134148.1389@wpi.WPI.EDU> ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scary Man) writes: > All the text about the statue is real history. Not made up for > comics. I copied it word for word off the box the statue came in, > which was written by Gaiman himself. A full bibliography of sources for the information in the statue-box text can be found in the letters pages of the just-published _Sandman and Suicide Squid Special_. =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: <1991Oct21.174114.22521@cs.umn.edu> = Date: 21 Oct 91 17:41:14 GMT What!?! The S_SSSpecial is out?!? Why didn't anyone tell me?!? I've been waiting, watching, yearning for that puppy for 6 months now! Wait! The local comic dealer didn't have it on their shelves! Oh my gosh, I bet they're sold out! Some Marvel Zombie with a keen eye for investments probably bought the whole stock assuming that the price would skyrocket when the X-Men-Suicide Squid cross-over hits the stands. (And those bast*rds at the store said they'd save me a copy!) Will I never see limited edition, hand pieced mosaic S_SSSpecial cover? Anyone have a S&SSSpecial they'd like to trade? I have *SSquid 4D!* that I might be able to let go. =================================================================== = From: morpheus@cco.caltech.edu (Ken Bartlett) = Message-ID: <1991Oct21.230127.29451@cco.caltech.edu> = Date: 21 Oct 91 23:01:27 GMT Is this the long-awaited 'Dream of a Thousand Catfish' that I've been hearing about? (Y'know, the sequel to 'Dream...Cats') Ooh! Ahh! =================================================================== = From: csf157@cck.cov.ac.uk (Morpheus) = Message-ID: = Date: 22 Oct 91 08:13:26 GMT ... Elsewhere, I think that the great days of Suicide Squid may be over, and that the title itself may not last much longer. I saw in an interview somewhere that when the current run ends "none of the characters will be re-usable, in fact most of them will be sushi." It looks ominous, but I suppose that they could do a prequel ( 'Young Squiddy' perhaps?). =================================================================== = From: tothmd@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Michael David Toth) = Message-ID: <1991Oct23.020203.3784@ucunix.san.uc.edu> = Date: 23 Oct 91 02:02:03 GMT Does anyone know when the new Suicide Squid film, _The Cabinet of Dr. Calamari_ is supposed to be released? I heard Martin Scorsese is trying his hand at the Squid this time AND Robert DeNiro will be returning as the voice of SS! (if you remember, DeNiro refused to do the voice for Squiddie for the last three films after that spat with Coppola during the production of the original Squid film.) Mike Lookinland, Bobby, I believe, on the Brady Bunch, will be returning as the sinister Dr. Calamari. Merryl Streep will be taking over Diane Keaton's role as Phoebe (family commitments), and Phillip Glass is slated to compose the score. (The above info was gathered from the November issue of Cinema News Monthly Journal --why didn't they list a release date?!?!?) I can't wait to see what Scorsese will do with the Squid. It can only be an improvement on David Lynch's _Squid Lips_. Yours, Michael "I can't believe I'm dragging alt.cult-movies into this" Toth P.S.-- I'm still willing to pay $75 for the third issue of the Gold Key comic book series if anyone has one in mint condition... =================================================================== = From: ric@netcom.COM (Richard A. Bretschneider) = Message-ID: <1991Oct22.162418.14320ric@netcom.COM> = Date: 22 Oct 91 16:24:18 GMT = Subject: TOP THREE "Must Buy" COMICS - Final (hah!) Summary Well, here's the final summary. It's been a week since the last opinion was posted, and I'm done. It's been an interesting thread (as is evidenced by the number of "mee too" querys about lists). As for me, my titles are: Cerebus Sandman Akira Anyway, here's the list: 30 - Sandman 13 - Cerebus 9 - X-Men 8 - X-Factor 8 - Excalibur 7 - Hellblazer 6 - Akira 6 - Doom Patrol 5 - Miracleman 5 - Legion of Super Heroes 4 - Usagi Yojimbo 4 - Uncanny X-Men 4 - Suicide Squad 4 - Incredible Hulk 4 - Concrete 3 - Tales of the Beanworld 3 - Suicide Squid (Scarey, eh?) 3 - Justice League 3 - Groo The Wanderer 3 - Green Arrow 3 - Amazing Spider-Man 2 - XXXenophile 2 - New Titans 2 - Love and Rockets 2 - Knights of Pendragon 2 - Elementals 2 - Deathlock 2 - Dark Horse Presents 2 - Daredevil 2 - Beautiful Stories for Ugly Children The following each got one vote: ... =================================================================== = From: go7410@thor (Kali (Gregory Oliver)) = Message-ID: <1991Oct23.072726.15356@sarah.albany.edu> = Date: 23 Oct 91 07:27:26 GMT Hi. Does anyone remember Suicide Squid 29(new series)? A friend had the 3-D version and I had a few questions about it. Did this issue have more than one version, or was the 3-D one it? Was the 'blow-fish' reference on p.12 meant to be sexual, or was that just my interpretation? Lastly, did anyone else think that the shot of Power-Girl on p.19 was a little, well, dangerous? ;-) Thanks to anyone who can help... =================================================================== = From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) = Message-ID: <1991Oct23.143228.12143@spool.cs.wisc.edu> = Date: 23 Oct 91 14:32:28 GMT In <1991Oct23.000834.9254@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> cs225aw@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel DuBois) writes: >The last thing I need to hear is every minority group in America >whining about how they are sterotyped in comic books. Geezus. Aha! So there *is* a list! **The Last Things Daniel DuBois Needs to Hear** 10. "Clean up your room!" 9. "Gee, your cat tasted pretty good!" 8. "I'm sorry, your parents were killed in a violent accident involving two bedpans and a locomotive. We can't say more than that." 7. "It's too bad you're uninsured." 6. "Could I see your driver's license please?" 5. "Don't mix those two chemic--" 4. "Let's just be friends." 3. "Your paycheck will be bigger this month. It includes your severance pay." 2. "There was a big squid here to see you... said his name was 'Suicide,' and that you should 'beware the bitter fruits of stealing seaweed,' or something like that. Had something to do with crime." 1. All minority groups in America, in a unison and with the most whiny tones one can imagine: "We're stereotyped in comic books." =================================================================== = From: kbspence@eos.ncsu.edu (KENDRICK B SPENCER) = Message-ID: <1991Oct23.222617.2412@ncsu.edu> = Date: 23 Oct 91 22:26:17 GMT In article <7JcaaB3w164w@shark.cse.fau.edu>, sasha.bbs@shark.cse.fau.edu writes: |> Does anybody remember the villians from that cheesy Spiderman show |> they used to have on The Electric Company? Spiderman, feh. Gimme the other EC hero's anyday: Letterman & Evil Magician ( Faster than a rolling O! ) Blue Beetle ( Precursor to the TICK?? ) I even think Suicide Squid was on, but I'm a bit fuzzy on that part... =================================================================== = From: mdewis%pieman@PIEMAN.COMPSERV.UTAS.EDU.AU (Mark Richard Dewis) = Message-ID: <9110240331.AA07630@pieman> = Date: 24 Oct 91 19:31:54 GMT Someone mentioned a while back that the r.a.c awards should be now known as the 'Squiddies'. Not only do I wholeheartedly agree, but have designed a graphic for net.comment. Any suggestions for improvements? ^ / \ / \ \| |/ / \ /Q Q\ |___| |S.S| \ / ///|\\\ ) ////V\\\\ ( (_ \_////| |\\\\_/ _) \__/// | | \\\__/ \___// | | \\___/ __/ | | \__ ( | | ) | | | | /| |\ / | | \ /__| |__\ (Oscar eat your heart out) =================================================================== = From: faber@cs.wisc.edu (Ted) = Message-ID: <1991Oct25.163359.29634@spool.cs.wisc.edu> = Date: 25 Oct 91 16:33:59 GMT ... But Marvel's not out to get anyone. They write everyone badly. It's incompetence, not amlice. I know. My minority group, figments of Gary Lewandowski's imagination, are frequently written badly, especially in Marvel. A notable exception is Suicide Squid #323 (a non-Marvel) where Bambi and I both are excellently characterized..... =================================================================== = From: mfterman@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Mutant for Hire) = Message-ID: <15966@princeton.Princeton.EDU> = Date: 25 Oct 91 23:44:16 GMT = Subject: Who'd Win: rec.arts.comics division 1. Moriarty vs Chris Jarocha-Ernst? 2. Independants Fans vs Marvel Zombies? 3. Peter David vs dangling plotlines? 4. Mark Lynx vs Suicide Squid? =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: <1991Oct26.010053.7517@cs.umn.edu> = Date: 26 Oct 91 01:00:53 GMT In article <15966@princeton.Princeton.EDU> mfterman@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Mutant for Hire) writes: >1. Moriarty vs Chris Jarocha-Ernst? I see a team-up, with these two taking over the world or at least a good portion of it. Frightening, no? >2. Independants Fans vs Marvel Zombies? I thought this should be DC Mature Audiences vs. Marvel Zombies? I guess I'd have to pick the Marvel Zombies, just 'cause they have action toys. (Anyone see the Wolverine play-snikkers yet?) >3. Peter David vs dangling plotlines? The danglers. Dangling plotlines are like the hydra's heads. Tie one up and two more rise up to take its place. >4. Mark Lynx vs Suicide Squid? I'd prefer Suicide Squid vs. the Mercenary Mutant match up. =================================================================== = From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy) = Message-ID: <1991Oct28.104046.24649@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> = Date: 28 Oct 91 10:40:46 GMT ... And I still say that Lobo + Suicide Squid are the twin avatars of Destruction... =================================================================== = From: branwen@tony.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams) = Message-ID: = Date: 28 Oct 91 21:33:45 GMT = Subject: I got my Suicide Squid shirt! What a great shirt! The art is excellent, funny, and well-reproduced, and the whole thing looks great. Well done, Tom, Eddie, and Ty!! =================================================================== = From: rkelly@triton.unm.edu (Robert Kelly) = Message-ID: <+4ddcsd@lynx.unm.edu> = Date: 29 Oct 91 01:05:00 GMT I agree! I LOVE the Franz Kafka effect. Very nicely done! Kudos, Kudos!!!! =================================================================== = From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty) = Message-ID: <1991Oct29.173838.23370@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> = Date: 29 Oct 91 17:38:38 GMT Yeah, it is a beautiful shirt. > Kudos, Kudos!!!! Ditto! Ditto! Until I get a Suicide Squid poster, this was... =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Oct29.175236.15113@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 29 Oct 91 17:52:36 GMT In article <1991Oct26.220330.6880@watdragon.waterloo.edu> jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes: >OK, I mentioned this thread to someone with a Cerebus doll and he's >willing to sell. The catch is there's just one of the suckers and >bidding opens at $100.00. $100 US or $100 Canadian? Also, I believe you mentioned knowing the brother of Sarah Hitchens who did the dolls in the first place. Perhaps you could contact her and see if she's willing (or legally able) to do a few more at a higher price than before, say around $30-40? Or if she'd be willing to do a Suicide Squid doll? (geez, what am I going to get involved with next here? SS Pez dispensers where every sixth candy piece is laced with cyanide? SS versions of Kervorkian's suicide machine? Or the Carl Rigney suggested combo SS fountain pen and wrist razor?) =================================================================== = From: an12370@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu (David C. Tuttle) = Message-ID: = Date: 29 Oct 1991 23:12:02 GMT branwen@tony.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams) writes: >What a great shirt! Oh yeah! It was two levels above what I'd been expecting. I even liked the Quality Assurance inspection slip :-). =================================================================== = From: speterse%peruvian.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (soren f petersen) = Message-ID: <1991Oct29.153805.25940@hellgate.utah.edu> = Date: 29 Oct 91 22:38:04 GMT (this is getting a little repetitive...) I agree completely. Great shirt! Thanks to everyone involved. It was definitely worth the wait. =================================================================== = From: oluap@athena.mit.edu ( Paulo Alexandre Pereira) = Message-ID: <1991Oct30.060632.28247@athena.mit.edu> = Date: 30 Oct 91 06:06:32 GMT So what if we're being repetitive? IT'S AN AMAZING SHIRT! And if you don't have one ... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! YOU LOSER!!! You lost your chance!!! You'll never get a first printing now!!! Imagine what'll be worth one of these days! And that cool hologram on the front ... sorry it IS getting late ... Anyway, last week when I got the shirt in the mail (THANKS EDDIE!), I ignored every warning I was given and IMMEDIATELY put it on. I went to my "Technical Communication" class, where the lecturer, Dr. Elaine Campbell, was discussing the "briefings" that we all had to do in class in the upcoming weeks. "You will, of course, dress professionally," she stated. "Not as you usually walk around ..." This is when my TOTALLY AMAZING, WOW WHAT A JOB, GUYS t-shirt caught her eye (I admit it, I was sitting in the front row), and she quickly added (with a motion toward me), "Unless you'll be briefing on the ... what is that? ... Suicide Squid Squad!" Where she got "Squad" from I'll never know. I suspect she knows a little more about this than she lets on ... ;^) =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Thomas Young Galloway) = Message-ID: <54dea6ca6.000b097@shadow.engin.umich.edu> = Date: 30 Oct 91 03:38:16 GMT I got my catalog from The Great Doonesbury Sellout today. It appears that this will be an ongoing effort as a Spring catalog is mentioned. The items aren't what I would have expected, and also seem a bit overpriced for some. Still, the copy is written by Trudeau and is quite fun. ... 10 different t-shirt designs at $18 a pop (note the more economical Suicide Squid shirts are not carried...), ... =================================================================== = From: vjmurphy@carina.unm.edu (Vincent J. Murphy) = Message-ID: = Date: 30 Oct 91 17:21:25 GMT I FINALLY got y Suicide Squid shirt, too. I wrapped it in an octopus and threw it off the roof of the Library. Looked really keen when it smacked against the pavement. =================================================================== = From: branwen@flipper.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams) = Message-ID: = Date: 30 Oct 91 18:38:35 GMT In article <15966@princeton.Princeton.EDU> mfterman@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Mutant for Hire) writes: >4. Mark Lynx vs Suicide Squid? This one is easy. The other night I came home (I live with Marc Lynx -- boy do I have stories to tell!) to find him eating *drum roll* squid! (Really.) So I guess we know how that one would go. =================================================================== = From: rkelly@triton.unm.edu (Robert Kelly) = Message-ID: <_vgdyha@lynx.unm.edu> = Date: 30 Oct 91 20:08:19 GMT Great shirt inspector, too! (ref. to Chris Conway who noticed it.) =================================================================== = From: wombat@nfinit.enet.dec.com (Chris Conway) = Message-ID: <29479@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> = Date: 29 Oct 91 19:41:46 GMT Normally, I find "Me too!" posts very annoying. However, in this situation, I think they're NECESSARY. Thanks, Tom, Eddie, and Ty, for the FANTASTIC shirts. The art is wonderful, the printing marvelous! An EXCELLENT job. [ tyg, please make sure that Ty knows that we're applauding him; I don't know if he reads netnews or not B^{)> ] =================================================================== = From: djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes) = Message-ID: <1991Oct30.220843.27179@pbhyc.PacBell.COM> = Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1991 22:08:43 GMT In article <1991Oct29.173838.23370@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty) writes: >Until I get a Suicide Squid poster, this was... But Enrique, you _are_ a Suicide Squid poster! And now I am too... =================================================================== = From: jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) = Message-ID: <1991Nov1.154603.21685@watdragon.waterloo.edu> = Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1991 15:46:03 GMT In article wes@echo.canberra.edu.au (Wes Nicholson) writes > >I'm oing a research paper on why 'adults' don't grow out of reading >comic books, and I'd love some input. ... > What do non comic reading friends think of your 'habit'? Like most comic fans, I ritually sacrifice non-comicbook readers to dark gods. Tragic, isn't it? Another mind wasted by purile entertainment. To be serious, I don't know. Under Canadian Law, adult comicbook readers, having committed the sin of not judging a medium by the products within it meant for children or teenagers, must ring a bell as they walk, crying out 'Unclean! Unclean!' and that puts off most people. That and the little squid they make us wear on all our clothes warns real adults not to talk to us. ... =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Nov1.214555.29668@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1991 21:45:55 GMT "The seaweed of crime bears bitter Fruit-of-the-Loom" --Suicide Squid t-shirt printer Eddie Maise after a day spent sniffing way too many ink fumes. :-) =================================================================== = From: hutch@hutch (Stephen Hutchison) = Message-ID: <1991Nov2.013809.19096@intelhf.hf.intel.com> = Date: Sat, 2 Nov 91 01:38:09 GMT In article <29479@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> wombat@nfinit.enet.dec.com writes: >Normally, I find "Me too!" posts very annoying. However, in this >situation, I think they're NECESSARY. In that case, I'll follow up here. >Thanks, Tom, Eddie, and Ty, for the FANTASTIC shirts... I quite agree. Dead Ink Forever /---,~~~~~~~ Hutch / x ;~~~~~~~~~~ Suicide_Squid,_The_Next_Generation \ x :~~~~~~~~~~ \---'~~~~~~~ =================================================================== = From: jwu@zeus.calpoly.edu (John Shih Jen Wu) = Message-ID: <1991Nov2.035731.101856@zeus.calpoly.edu> = Date: 2 Nov 91 03:57:31 GMT Are there anymore available? How can I get one? =================================================================== = From: lister@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dan Karp) = Message-ID: <1991Nov3.054510.23211@leland.Stanford.EDU> = Date: Sun, 3 Nov 91 05:45:10 GMT ... Oh, yeah - and kudos to the Suicide Squid Shirtmakers. A fine piece of work! =================================================================== = From: djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes) = Message-ID: <1991Nov1.211410.6834@pbhyc.PacBell.COM> = Date: 1 Nov 91 21:14:10 GMT [just for the record. -dew] ... What fun, eh, Squidsters? =================================================================== = From: gt5878b@prism.gatech.EDU (Eddie Maise) = Message-ID: <40497@hydra.gatech.EDU> = Date: 6 Nov 91 03:27:51 GMT A friend spotted this in alt.sex and sent it to me. I *had* to pass it along. Apparantly, someone in alt.sex posted a message, and some clever rascal made a minor modification to it and posted the result. If you don't understand what this has to do with rec.arts.comics, you haven't been paying attention. [INCLUDE TEXT] frog@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (F. Thinh-Ball) writes: |>>Hello. |>>Last night I had the pleasure of spending some rather intimate time |>>with a squid who was new to me. IN other words, she was not the SO |>>or cephalopod I have mentioned in the past. |>>Well, an interesting thing happened last night while stimulating |>>this squid, It asked me to stop doing what I was doing (which I |>>complied to immediately and, now that I am proofreading, I must add |>>was not the strange thing I mentioned 3 lines earlier...) I |>>figured it had not orgasmed, judging by my experiences with the |>>OTHER squid that I have given orgasms to, because none of the |>>things that I associated with a squid's orgasm happened. Out of |>>curiosity, I asked why it stopped me, it replied "I couldn't stand |>>it anymore." I jokingly said "That bad huh?" It emphatically |>>denied that and assured me of the contrary. So I ventured to ask |>>if it DID have an orgasm. It then went on to inform me that it was |>>not sure and that it has never had one, and if it didn't just have |>>one, it was the closest that it has ever been to having one. |>>That brings me to the question phase... What physiological effects |>>happen in a Squid when it has an orgasm? I would like to know what |>>are the describe the feeling to another squid who had no idea what |>>an orgasm feels like? |>An orgasm is an intense feeling, such that during that experience |>you wouldn't care if a battalion of crazed mongols raped you with |>red hot pokers (where ever you may be). |>That should sum it up. do *you* get those ugly sucker marks too? josh ------------------------------------------ [END INCLUDE] =================================================================== = From: davel@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (David Loewenstern) = Message-ID: <1991Nov6.203852.20569@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> = Date: 6 Nov 91 20:38:52 GMT For sale: Original first edition Suicide Squid T-shirt! Never worn! Ty Templeton artwork! Overstreet lists them at $200 apiece. Will let it go for $150. Great investment! This baby has increased in value 2500+% in the last week alone! =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Nov8.090255.13362@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1991 09:02:55 GMT Sorry, but it's clear that this is not a mint copy of a first edition Squid shirt and thus not worth even the $150 reduced price. After all, it's clear that David took it out of its sealed at the printer and individually stamped by the U.S. Post Office special envelope. Like X-Farce and Spider-Man #1s, the value of the shirt decreases radically once removed from the included bag. Something to do with letting the enclosed sea water out of the envelope which causes the special squid ink mixture used for the shirts to decay rapidly. Remember, buy your Squid shirts only from the only two authorized sources. Or else we'll come to your house and smear squid ink on all your Suicide Squid back issues. =================================================================== = From: rkelly@triton.unm.edu (Robert Kelly) = Message-ID: = Date: 8 Nov 91 16:26:06 GMT Now now, you, just like Gold Key, Marvel and DC, are just trying to get a monopoly of the market. Tom, you should be ashamed of yourself. However, money does speak millions here. The trademark for Suicide Squid belongs to RAC and RAC should get all of the proceeds from the shirt sellings, especially at the new CBG prices. Which means, of course, we'll have to hire an executor to insure everybody gets their $.02 worth. but then again, this is unmoderated, and EVERYONE gets their $.02 worth without an executor. I am willing to lobby Squid Rights for anyone, should they feel it necessary. Of course, you'll have to pay.... =================================================================== = From: HF.SLK@forsythe.stanford.edu (Stewart Kramer) = Message-ID: <1991Nov8.182739.26998@morrow.stanford.edu> = Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1991 18:27:39 GMT Well, I don't think squids have rights. I'm willing to allow that they may have right-most, right-right-center, right-center, and center-right-center, and even center-most-right, but that's not at all the same thing. You people who try to oversimplify everything are all alike. =================================================================== = From: jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) = Message-ID: <1991Nov8.204905.2523@watdragon.waterloo.edu> = Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1991 20:49:05 GMT Note for those keeping track of the SS cameos: The truckerdriver and the Japanese gangster & F babe are all from 'Tampopo'. I think the woman with the forms was from 'A Taxing Woman'. I wonder who's the film buff on the SS crew? So, it turns out Clarice isn't a natural blonde, in more ways than one. Hee hee. =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: <1991Nov9.024115.14193@cs.umn.edu> = Date: 9 Nov 91 02:41:15 GMT I think you may have missed one. If you look in the background when SS is breaking up the karaoke bar, you can see the see the ramen sensei (from the very beginning of the movie) gazing at his slices of pork. =================================================================== = From: sksircar@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Subrata Sircar) = Message-ID: <1991Nov9.015817.15524@Princeton.EDU> = Date: 9 Nov 91 01:58:17 GMT Once again, thanks for the shirts! Now, how about Suicide Squid drinking mugs? =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Nov9.093054.579@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 9 Nov 91 09:30:54 GMT I'm sorry, but at present Dan Ackroyd has the rights sewn up for the Squid-A-Matic device needed for liquifying squids so that they can be drunk from mugs. Apparently when he did the Bass-A-Matic commercial back in his Saturday Night Live days, he had the foresight to trademark all possible seafood related -A-Matic liquifying devices (save for Sushi-A-Matic which was later trademarked by NEC). While I also thought of the other possibility, a pre-cracked drinking mug with ten separate tentacle shaped handles, it was sufficiently non-standard a design to be prohibitly expensive to actually manufacture. So unless there's a volunteer potter out there similar to our volunteer shirtmaker Eddie Maise, I'm afraid we're out of luck. However, I am waiting for James Nicoll to get back to me after he contacts Sarah Hitchens. She did the original Cerebus plush doll, and James is trying to contact her to see if she still has the rights to do any more of the Cerebus, and failing that if she'd be willing to do any Squiddy dolls. After that, I plan to sell the action figure rights to Playskool and angle for a guest shot for Squiddy on TMNT, followed by its own action figure line and animated series. I then plan to start my own comics line, Permafrost Press, with the profits. I figure if a bunch of deadly weapon wielding reptiles can become a cultural event, a suicidal celphapod has just as good a chance to do so. =================================================================== = From: deveaux@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Jeff Deveaux) = Message-ID: <1991Nov9.224356.4516@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> = Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1991 22:43:56 GMT Speaking of Squid merchandise, people are dying to know where I got the shirt. I wore it in my comics shop, and for the past week, people have been asking the manager why he isn't selling them, and where can they get one. Is there going to be a second print run?? If there is, I have a guaranteed no less than 7 orders for you. =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Nov10.031300.27604@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1991 03:13:00 GMT In article <1991Nov9.224356.4516@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> deveaux@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Jeff Deveaux) writes: > >Speaking of Squid merchandise, people are dying to know where I got >the shirt. Ah, *that* explains that visit from the Ann Arbor Homicide Squad last week. >I wore it in my comics shop, and for the past week, people have been >asking the manager why he isn't selling them, and where can they get >one. Oh ghods, it's becoming trendy. What have we done!? Well, only one thing to do now, namely try to arrange to test the Parmenter theory of dead hip trends... "Much though I love the Archie books, there is no better way to find out when a "hip" trend is dead than when it shows up in Archie." --Dan Parmenter =================================================================== = From: travgod@next08cville.wam.umd.edu (Travis R. Whiting) = Message-ID: <1991Nov9.202035.27834@wam.umd.edu> = Date: 9 Nov 91 20:20:35 GMT Also, has anyone posted any parodies here in rec.arts.comics? If so, could you repost or e-mail it for my?? Again, I thank you for your cooporation. =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Nov9.225753.21141@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 9 Nov 91 22:57:53 GMT = Organization: SquidsRUs Something tells me that Travis is either very new here (as in the last day or so) or hasn't been paying much attention to a certain series of posts... (try ftping the file pub/wald/suicide-squid from theory.lcs.mit.edu) =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Nov10.030629.27417@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 10 Nov 91 03:06:29 GMT In article <1991Nov9.230640.24239@rodan.acs.syr.edu> rmdunlav@rodan.acs.syr.edu (ryan m. dunlavey) writes: >What I like even better is the SANDMAN video game. It's got some >amazing graphics, but some of the characters are just too easy to >play. Everyone wants to be Death. Blah, how boring, no challenge. >Destruction is too tough as well, but at least he can be killed. >Still, it's fun to watch him blow up all those demons. And playing >destiny is a waste of time, you put in your quarter and it tells you >weather you won or not, and then the game's over. And playing desire >takes ALL your money. Fun to watch though... I dunno; I tried playing Delirium and all I got were all these like rilly strange colors on the screen, sorta kinda like the end of 2001. Playing Despair reminded me of being a Red Sox fan watching the 6th game of the 1986 World Series; I got oh so close to winning but then it was snatched away from me and I lost all my points. I'd like to try the SUICIDE SQUID video game, but I haven't found the needed other four people minimum to play. Given that each station controls one tentacle, it'd seem that you'd need at least five, preferably ten, people to play. Still, it looks like a fun game as you try to maneuver your tentacle to get ahold of a particular suicide method and then apply it to Squiddy. You have to watch out though; not all the methods act at the same speed, so someone who applies a faster method later than you could end up winning. I did think the attraction graphic of Clarice and Alfonso was a bit, well, graphic for an arcade where a lot of kids hang out. Should Alfonso's claws really be doing that to those portions of Clarice? "BENEFIT NO. 3 [of owning a Nintendo]: When a child is playing Nintendo, the child can't watch regular television." --Dave Barry =================================================================== = From: MHIGH@trinity.edu (Aleph Null) = Message-ID: <911109.234538.CST.MHIGH@trinity.edu> = Date: 10 Nov 91 05:45:38 GMT AGREED! I am kicking myself for not ordering a tshirt when I had a chance. I am hoping for a second printing. Now, I know the two people who handled the previous run (Eddie Maise and Tom Galloway) have said that there WILL be a second printing...in the not-so-distant future. But if ya'll get another printing out, you've got a handful of orders already (and I won't bat an eye if ya'll want to add a little to the price for profit - I *know* it can be time-consuming). PS Anyone heard about the Squid float that's supposedly going to be in the Macy's parade? Eighty feet tall with 40 foot tentacles - WOW! =================================================================== = From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) = Message-ID: <1991Nov10.022806.13468@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> = Date: Sun, 10 Nov 91 02:28:06 GMT deveaux@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Jeff Deveaux) writes: >Speaking of Squid merchandise, people are dying to know where I got >the shirt. > >Is there going to be a second print run?? A second run? Chuckle. After what Tom & crew went thru, I doubt it. If a second run was done, it should be clearly marked as such. Maybe do versions in 16 different colors . . . =================================================================== = From: rcj@caen.engin.umich.edu (R o d Johnson) = Message-ID: = Date: Sun, 10 Nov 91 11:27:07 EST It may happen. Eddie went through an appalling amount of work to make these shirts, for very little concrete reward. Now that the screens are made, he has a chance to possibly make a little money on the deal, and perhaps get some to Ty too. I like the idea of being one of a fairly small number of Squidshirt owners, but I guess I have to like the idea of Eddie and Ty getting something back for all the work they did even more. =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Nov11.074407.13965@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 11 Nov 91 07:44:07 GMT In article <1991Nov10.022806.13468@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes: >If a second run was done, it should be clearly marked as such. Maybe >do versions in 16 different colors . . . To quote Dave Barry, I'm not making any of this up. Actually, we're getting there. This run had five separate colors (white, black, light blue, ice green, and kelly green) with at least a potential for ten different varients depending on whether there were "Amid Swimmer's Night Dreams" poem and non-poem editions of each color. No trading cards or holograms though. And as it turns out, no one, including Eddie and myself has a complete collection of even just the colors. I'm missing the white, and Eddie's missing the kelly green. Personally, I think the ice green and black versions look the best. The true rarity is the Suicide Squid poster, of which Eddie only made five copies. His roommate, who helped with the printing got one, Ty Templeton got one, and I got one. Eddie was greedy and kept two for himself. :-) "Next time we do this, we should be more dictatorial in terms of shirt colors, slogans, postage methods, etc... And why the hell am I saying 'next time'?" --Eddie Maise from the Squidshirt Chronicles. =================================================================== = From: milton@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Milton W. Kuo) = Message-ID: <61486@ut-emx.uucp> = Date: 11 Nov 91 02:30:09 GMT [writing from the middle of the roving homosexuality-in-assorted-media flamewar] ... How would some of you guys like it if I burnt you to a crisp just because you said you don't like X-Force (I don't like it either, just for the record :-)? I've read MANY, MANY posts where people have nothing to say other than how bad such and such a comic is and what an affront it is to sentient life. I've been a r.a.c lurker for a very long time and have stomached unreasonable anti-Marvel sentiment and stupid "Squiddie" postings. I don't see "Suicide Squid" in my comics shop -- why discuss something that doesn't belong on this newsgroup? I'll tell you why. "Suicide Squid" must be related in comics in some manner (perhaps an inside joke) and as such, deserves discussion even if some people will be totally in the dark. Likewise, I feel that this homosexuals in comics merits discussion because it is a relevant issue. ... =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Nov11.081849.14926@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1991 08:18:49 GMT ... In article <61486@ut-emx.uucp> milton@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Milton W. Kuo) writes: >and stupid "Squiddie" postings. I don't see "Suicide Squid" in my >comics shop Clearly your shop needs to get a new distributor. And them's fightin' words! > -- why discuss something that doesn't belong on this newsgroup? Um, if *anything* belongs on this newsgroup, it's Suicide Squid. One could safely say that without the support of r.a.c., Suicide Squid would not exist today. There's even substantial support to calling the annual R.A.C. Awards the Squiddies. > I'll tell you why. "Suicide Squid" must be related in comics in >some manner (perhaps an inside joke) and as such, deserves discussion >even if some people will be totally in the dark. Let's see, it's listed in the monthly FAQ list, and I'm certainly willing to answer via email any questions one has about Squiddy. It'd also seem you haven't been a lurker for all that long. I believe that Suicide Squid started being discussed here back around May. Not to mention that I type this while wearing a Suicide Squid shirt with art by noted comics artist Ty Templeton (who is quite taken with SS, as are comics writers John Ostrander and Kim Yale based on John's comments when I gave him his and Kim's Squidshirts.) While it is something of an in-joke, it's also produced a lot of good writing, both serious and funny, and comments about the state of comics in general as cast in the metaphor of Suicide Squid. Heck, to tie in with another thread, there are good reasons why I'd think seriously about including the net.disscusion about Suicide Squid in a class on comics. >Likewise, I feel that this homosexuals in comics merits discussion >because it is a relevant issue. No argument there... ... And let me bring up one point which just occured to me. Three very active r.a.c. participants come to mind as being openly gay in the sense where they've indicated this on r.a.c. ... (curiously enough, two of the three are also owners of a Suicide Squid t-shirt). ... =================================================================== = From: milton@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Milton W. Kuo) = Message-ID: <61560@ut-emx.uucp> = Date: 11 Nov 91 20:02:52 GMT In article <1991Nov11.081849.14926@zip.eecs.umich.edu> tyg@caen.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes: >Clearly your shop needs to get a new distributor. And them's fightin' >words! Okay! Put up your dukes, all ten of 'em! ;-) [Stuff about Suicide Squid deleted. I'll wait for the FAQ] =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Nov11.091144.16220@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1991 09:11:44 GMT Once again quoting Dave Barry, I'm not making any of this up. To respond to various doubters out there and who have emailed, there really are Suicide Squid t-shirts out there with art by Ty Templeton. And let me formally thirty-seventh or so all the compliments that have been posted for Ty's art and Eddie Maise's production work on the shirts. Both were excellent, and it should be publically noted that Eddie volunteered his time and labor, resulting in a much lower shirt cost. In article rcj@caen.engin.umich.edu (R o d Johnson) writes: >In article <1991Nov10.022806.13468@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> >scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes: > >>A second run? Chuckle. After what Tom & crew went thru, I doubt >>it. > >It may happen. OK, first off some background. Ty was paid for doing the art at a mutually agreed flat fee. He did say that if the shirts really took off that he'd like to get a cut, and both Eddie and I agree that any future shirts will include a per-shirt royalty fee to Ty. The amount has yet to be determined, and will be worked out with Ty. Second, a lot of the problems with putting the first run together either wouldn't happen with future runs or would let us know what to expect. We won't have any of the delays involved with deciding on an artist, getting an artist to agree to do the art, finding time to do the art, deciding on how to color the black and white art, etc. We've decided on a slogan for the shirt. There doesn't need to be a vote to decide how to have the shirts printed. We'll have a dead-on per-shirt cost known in advance. We know what shirt colors work best with the art. Eddie knows how much time and effort is needed for this particular design. Etc. While it isn't a certainty that future runs will be done like this, right now I'd envision the process as being much simplified from the first run. Basically, I'd see it as having an announcement of plans for a run being made here, with a much shorter list of options for shirts; black or ice green color, poem or not on the back (which might or might not be an option), shirt size, and perhaps a choice of postage although just going to a flat postage option might also be done. I definitely see the price for subsequent runs factoring in both a royalty for Ty, and should he be printing the shirts for a run, a fee for Eddie's labor (I qualify that in that if these keep going for a long time, Eddie may not continue to want to do them, or have access to the proper facilities). I don't expect either of these to be outrageous, but then again I also wouldn't mind for the people who ordered from the first run to get a price break. There are no plans to go commercial with the shirts. An important lesson learned from this was that some form of deadline is necessary in terms of people getting orders and money in so that things can be organized. I don't know if for future runs it'd go with the everyone interested send in an order with a check by such and such a date that we did this time, or perhaps work it be presetting a run size and accepting reservations via email until the run is subscribed and then setting a deadline for the receipt of payment. The latter would be a means of limiting the amount of effort required at any one time by Eddie to a reasonable amount as compared to the rest of his life. However, the important thing to realize is that right now, there are no definite plans to do a second run, and I believe that all shirts from the first run have been spoken for; if not, I'm sure Eddie can correct me (and then get inundated with email :-)). Eddie and I are batting around ideas for doing a second run, but don't bother mailing in asking to be put on a list yet. If and when plans are made for a second run of Suicide Squid shirts, it'll be announced here with details about the run and how to order. I suspect that given things like finals and quarter breaks in December, the earliest one could expect to see a second run announced would be early '92. =================================================================== = From: jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James or Brian) = Subject: Re: Suicide Squid merchandise = Message-ID: <5826@julian.uwo.ca> = Date: 11 Nov 91 17:43:50 GMT Tom, could you email me your phone-number? The target is located, but the sanction has a time-restraint (Post Christmas). I find verbal email faster. =================================================================== = From: wombat@nfinit.enet.dec.com (Christopher M. Conway) = Message-ID: <4669@shodha.enet.dec.com> = Date: 12 Nov 91 21:31:30 GMT All I can say is, if you make second (or more) runs, you DAMN WELL BETTER PUT SOME MARKING ON THEM INDICATING THAT! I don't want you ruining the investment value of MY SHIRT by flooding the market with reprints that are indistinguishable from the original! [ for the humor impaired, imagine a big B^{)> between every word ] =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Nov13.003046.9740@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 13 Nov 91 00:30:46 GMT Heh heh heh. There are advantages to actually having all the production properties available for doing counterfeits (hmm, occurs to me that if, say, Dave Sim, ever really needed cash, printing up a few boxes of Cerebus #1 could be profitable....). :-) It also occurs to me that this issue perhaps should be settled by the market. Are the owners of the first run willing to chip in more to have subsequent runs be differentiated, or will those newly ordering the shirts be willing to bid higher to get indistinguishable shirt? :-) =================================================================== = From: wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald) = Message-ID: <1991Nov13.152224.13148@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> = Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1991 15:22:24 GMT In article <1991Nov11.081849.14926@zip.eecs.umich.edu> tyg@caen.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes: >I believe that Suicide Squid started being discussed here back around >May. April, judging from the headers in the archive. =================================================================== = From: parham@masig5.ocean.fsu.edu (Fred Parham) = Message-ID: <5472@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> = Date: 13 Nov 91 17:43:37 GMT Over the past few years the giants of the comics industry, Marvel and DC, have done comics collectors a great service by providing multiple-edition comics which those collectors can buy in huge quantities, thereby providing nest eggs for their old age. The most recent such comics have been the Robin II miniseries and X-Men #1. Unfortunately, though, the companies have been hampered by the necessity of providing interior pages, which are of course useless once the comics have been hermetically sealed into custom-made glass comic covers. Today, DC is announcing a new development which will end this problem forever: a 12-issue Suicide Squid miniseries with no interior pages, just covers. Each issue will come with four different covers; there will also be four sets of special staples, so there will be sixteen versions of each issue. True Suicide Squid fans will want to order the special boxed sets, which cost twice as much as the comics bought individually but have an official certificate of authenticity printed in real squid ink. If this series proves successful, both Marvel and DC plan to do covers-only crossover miniseries. =================================================================== = From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) = Message-ID: <1991Nov13.214559.6482@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> = Date: Wed, 13 Nov 91 21:45:59 GMT tyg@caen.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes: >Once again quoting Dave Barry, I'm not making any of this up. To >respond to various doubters out there and who have emailed, there >really are Suicide Squid t-shirts out there with art by Ty Templeton. Jeez Tom, lighten up on these guys. There are enough people asking about the reality of Suicide Squid as it. Now you're gonna have 'em beating down your door about these fake T-Shirts, too. =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Nov15.052526.6220@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 15 Nov 91 05:25:26 GMT A squid makes a brief appearance in the current Bill & Ted's Excellent Comic Book. Definitely a squid; I counted the tentacles. Now the thing is, B&TECB is done by Evan Dorkin. Who also contributes to X Magazine. Which has various net.types as contributors. ....hmmm. =================================================================== = From: jacob@taitastigon.tcs.com (Jacob Butcher) = Message-ID: <1991Nov15.211421.4221@tcsi.com> = Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1991 21:14:21 GMT A fairly inexplicable squid appears briefly on page 17 (or 23 counting ads) of Bill & Ted's Excellent Comic Book #2. The squid's name is apparently Thurston, if that helps. =================================================================== = From: faber@loon.cs.wisc.edu (Ted) = Message-ID: <1991Nov15.180643.7222@spool.cs.wisc.edu> = Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1991 18:06:43 GMT In <91319.074642MSH109@psuvm.psu.edu> MSH109@psuvm.psu.edu writes: >MY opinion? Methinks they're turning Buddy into the Animal Elemental, >a la Swamp Thing.... Vomit. We definitely need some new ideas in the DC arena. ... Thank that they never tried to say that Squiddy was a "Squid Elemental" =================================================================== = From: nasato@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Neil Asato) = Message-ID: <1991Nov15.234744.19265@news.Hawaii.Edu> = Date: 15 Nov 91 23:47:44 GMT Naah... SS is a watery elemental, specifically an ink elemental :) :) =================================================================== = From: alan@shodha.enet.dec.com (Alan's Home for Wayward Notes File.) = Message-ID: <4707@shodha.enet.dec.com> = Date: 16 Nov 91 05:22:59 GMT In article <1991Nov16.040706.15833@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, jxs52@po.CWRU.Edu (Jonathan Sheir) writes: > > I am just curious what is considered a large comic book collection > by serious collectors? Mine is about 2000. How good of a > collection would you consider that to be? Just wondering. "Large" and "good" should be considered seperate attributes of a collection of nearly anything, especially by a serious collector. Some collector might consider a collection of only the first appearences of: Superman Batman X-men Spiderman The Legion of Super-heros Suicide Squid to be an excellent collection, even though it contains only six issues. ... =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Nov16.153951.12780@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1991 15:39:51 GMT In article <5498@mcgp1.UUCP> harry@mcgp1.UUCP (Harry Thiel) writes: >On a further note where did the information about the cancelation of >Suicide Squad come from? A combination of at first Len Wein and Bob Greenberger at Worldcon when I showed them the Suicide Squid t-shirt art, and later John Ostrander at a Detroit con confirmed it when I gave him his and Kim Yale's Suicide Squid t-shirts. ... =================================================================== = From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) = Message-ID: <1991Nov16.210838.1175@tc.fluke.COM> = Date: 16 Nov 91 21:08:38 GMT On the other side of the bush, I'm impressed to see that several talented artists in other fields are placing Suicide Squid cameos in their works. I could swear that the third servant in Peter Greenaway's new film, PROSPERO'S BOOKS, is none other than Dr. Calamari. I'll have to check when I see it a second time, though. [Squiddie *could* have been in THE THIEF, THE COOK, HIS WIFE AND HER LOVER, during the banquet scene, but I cringe to think of it.] =================================================================== = From: jl6e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jonathan D. Lyness) = Message-ID: = Date: 15 Nov 91 18:17:45 GMT parham@masig5.ocean.fsu.edu (Fred Parham): >a 12-issue Suicide Squid miniseries with no interior pages, just >covers. Yes! Glad that someone else brought this up. I for one am very excited about this new development in marketing - getting rid of those interior pages helps the collectibility of comics become much more straightforward and profitable (covers-only books take up much less room in your comic boxes). And have you seen some of those Squid #1 covers? I can't wait to complete my collection! The Brian Bolland one is excellent, as is the George Perez one (can anyone count how many little bubbles he drew?). The Jim Aparo one, on the other hand . . . leaves something to be desired. I mean, it's bad enough that he can only draw a few types of faces, but when he slaps one of those faces onto SS it looks just plain silly. Any word on the other cover artists yet? =================================================================== = From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) = Message-ID: <1991Nov17.153721.15142@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> = Date: Sun, 17 Nov 91 15:37:21 GMT I hear Art Adams and Bill Seinkiewicz are each doing one. Joe Staton is definitely doing six. My nine-year-old daughter has been solicited, but we're still dickering over royalty rates, print counts, and her desire to hand-color them. DC doesn't want to have to pay for the crayolas, and that shade of grey is available only in the 100-count box. =================================================================== = From: v134q2mg@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert A. Carlin) = Message-ID: <17NOV199115461976@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu> = Date: 17 Nov 91 19:46:00 GMT I don't know about the rest of you folks, but the "Hot Fan Fave" issue was just released. It's a 4-page wraparound gatefold cover featuring work by Jim Lee, Whilce Portacio, Rob Liefeld (unfortunately, still in 'caricature mode'), and Todd McFarlane. It's actually not too bad, IMHO, except for the Liefeld section. Does anyone know when the special "Name Withheld" cover will be released? And John Byrne's inevitable "Top THIS!" response? :) =================================================================== = From: jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) = Message-ID: <1991Nov17.204904.5637@watdragon.waterloo.edu> = Date: 17 Nov 91 20:49:04 GMT Actually, I'm looking forward to the 'Historic Graphic Artists' covers, which will be in the All-New, Totally-Original, Reprint Series. The highlights are: Will Eisner, doing a Spirit/Squid meeting featuring the first use of Ebony (and the last) in decades. Jules Feiffer, with a cover featuring that woman in tights, plus Roger Acroyd, PI, and the Squid. And the one that really excites me: Windsor McCay, depicting Little Nemo and Suicide Squid. You don't want to know how DC got McCay on their staff, but rumour has it he'll be doing an issue of Sandman, as soon as they figure out how to move the pentagram. =================================================================== = From: sl6r9@cc.usu.edu = Message-ID: <1991Nov17.150814.50584@cc.usu.edu> = Date: 17 Nov 91 21:08:14 GMT I have been reding r.a.c for about a year and a half now, and I have yet to see this information come up (granted I might have missed it...). Anyway, just a simple question: WHO (OR WHAT) IS _SUICIDE_SQUID_? I mean, is it some kind of "in" joke that I never caught? Is it a _real_ comic somewhere? Is it some sort of parody on the Suicide Squad? I would really like to know. Answer via net or mail (doesn't matter to me...). And _please_ don't give me any stupid or demeaning answers like "You've never heard of Squiddie?" Just a clear answer will suffice. Thanx. =================================================================== = From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) = Message-ID: <1991Nov18.025445.14769@tc.fluke.COM> = Date: 18 Nov 91 02:54:45 GMT In <1991Nov10.022806.13468@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes: >deveaux@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Jeff Deveaux) writes: >>Is there going to be a second print run?? > >A second run? Chuckle. After what Tom & crew went thru, I doubt it. See?! See, Tom, I told you! One either has to make a firm decision to stop, eventually, or one will be beleaguered with requests for Jon Singer Fan Club T-Shirts (case in point) forever. And you end up as one of those pitiful statistics on HARD COPY. Take a lesson from a man old before his time! Go out and see a movie, and take in a good resteraunt. (Slip out the back exit.) [This post will no doubt be followed up by several saying "Will you be issuing more Jon Singer Fan Club T-Shirts?" No. If you want to support Donna Barr, go out and buy a Stinz T-shirt.] =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Nov18.051700.277@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 18 Nov 91 05:17:00 GMT Nice try Jeff. Of course there won't be any "more" Jon Singer *Fan Club* t-shirts since there never were any to begin with. Now, about those actually in existence Friends of Jon Singer t-shirts... And before anyone even thinks about it, no there won't be any "Suicide Squid's Pal, Jon Singer" t-shirts. UhnUhn. Nope. No way. Nada. =================================================================== = From: sl6r9@cc.usu.edu = Message-ID: <1991Nov18.104937.50600@cc.usu.edu> = Date: 18 Nov 91 10:49:36 MDT Thank You Everybody!!!! I guess that I did miss it. I knew that this would get everyone's attention. :^] Anyway, I got a couple of questions then... Where's the monthly FAQL? I haven't seen it. And I don't remember any details about it in the "Welcome". I guess I'll look it over again. Thanx again, now I think I can get on with my miserable excuse for a life. =================================================================== = From: nasato@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Neil Asato) = Message-ID: <1991Nov18.203442.19568@news.Hawaii.Edu> = Date: 18 Nov 91 20:34:42 GMT In article <1991Nov16.210838.1175@tc.fluke.COM> moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) writes: >On the other side of the bush, I'm impressed to see that several >talented artists in other fields are placing Suicide Squid cameos in >their works. In Ninja High School: yearbook 1991, Mr. Dunn put in a mini-poster of all the characters that has appeared in the comic. On the 4th page of the poster is a giant squid in the background (I do not have the complete collection so I do not know what it is.) =================================================================== = From: nasato@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Neil Asato) = Message-ID: <1991Nov18.205740.26919@news.Hawaii.Edu> = Date: 18 Nov 91 20:57:40 GMT In article <1991Nov17.150814.50584@cc.usu.edu> sl6r9@cc.usu.edu writes: > WHO (OR WHAT) IS _SUICIDE_SQUID_? Suicide Squid is a fictional comic (as well as fictional cameos in movies, anime, and some other places) about a fictional character. By convention, SS is owned by DC comics (though cross-licensing with others is common.) It is a giant squid who lives in an anthropomorphic universe (though he often visits other realities). He (or it) lives a superhero's life, and one of his life-long nemesis is Dr. Calamari (sp). If you want to join in the fun, be sure to do parodies, not satires (there is a difference, one has fun, the other insults). One of his main weapons is his ink blast (its genetically curious 'ya know), though his arms and beak are nasty in a fight, too. Have fun! =================================================================== = From: jacob@tcs.com (Jacob Butcher) = Message-ID: <1991Nov19.200216.29042@tcsi.com> = Date: 19 Nov 91 20:02:16 GMT nasato@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu (Neil Asato) writes: >one of his life-long nemesis is Dr. Calamari (sp). Strictly speaking, his life long nemesis is the Pacific Ocean Dr. Calamari -- the Atlantic Ocean version has been sort of neutral/friendly whenever he's appeared, not counting the ridiculous Crustaceans in Infinite Oceans story. =================================================================== = From: byron@soda.berkeley.edu (Byron C. Go) = Message-ID: = Date: 20 Nov 91 06:41:15 GMT Does anyone know if "Mutant" is trademarked? (How about Suicide Squid? ;) ) =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Nov20.203909.10236@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 20 Nov 91 20:39:09 GMT With Mickey McCarter's approval, I'm planning on running an alternative r.a.c. poll concurrently with his running the official r.a.c. awards (aka the Squiddies). By alternative, I mean that the categories will be a bit more frivolous and perhaps a bit more focused on r.a.c. itself than are most categories in the official poll. For example, here are three possible categories and nominee lists: 1. Best rotating .sigs Jeff Meyer Jerry Boyajian Jim Drew Justin Du Coeur Tom Galloway (token non-J name :-)) 2. Best hoax Suicide Squid Suicide Squid Suicide Squid Suicide Squid Peter David taking over the writing on X-Factor ... =================================================================== = From: sl6r9@cc.usu.edu = Message-ID: <1991Nov20.121224.50644@cc.usu.edu> = Date: 20 Nov 91 12:12:24 MDT Question: Is there a SSquid GIF? If not, why shouldn't there be one?! SSquid is as popular as Hulk, Wolvie, or Silver Surfer and they all have (at least) one. So, let's hear it for SSquid and give him his 10-armed due! =================================================================== = From: gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre = geek.....) = Message-ID: <1991Nov20.213126.7343@milton.u.washington.edu> = Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1991 21:31:26 GMT In article <1991Nov20.203909.10236@zip.eecs.umich.edu> tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes: >2. Best hoax >Suicide Squid >Suicide Squid >Suicide Squid >Suicide Squid >Peter David taking over the writing on X-Factor The fifth one, of course. Squiddie is REAL. He's got a T-shirt, y'know.... =================================================================== = From: tyg@z.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Nov20.222113.13187@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 20 Nov 91 22:21:13 GMT In article <1991Nov20.121224.50644@cc.usu.edu> sl6r9@cc.usu.edu writes: >Question: Is there a SSquid GIF? If not, why shouldn't there be >one?! Nope, there isn't one. While I've gotten some requests to scan in Ty Templeton's original art for the Squid shirt, I don't plan to do so, and will attempt to have removed any GIFs that anyone makes from their t-shirt. The reason is that based on what Ty said to me when I commissioned the art, I don't think he'd want it available like that. Now, if anyone wants to do their own Squid artwork, and pass it around as a GIF, I'm pretty sure that the license I got from DC for the t-shirt would cover that, so go ahead. =================================================================== = From: branwen@flipper.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams) = Message-ID: = Date: 21 Nov 91 01:09:13 GMT In article <1991Nov20.213126.7343@milton.u.washington.edu> gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....) writes: > Squiddie is REAL. He's got a T-shirt, y'know.... Does that mean that Peter David is not real, because he doesn't have a T-shirt? Hmm.... =================================================================== = From: tyg@z.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Nov21.040907.20917@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 21 Nov 91 04:09:07 GMT = Subject: Re: How'd Peter die? (was Re: How's Peter?) In article <1991Nov21.025304.4412@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> mitchm@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Mitchell Maltenfort) writes: >In article <50485@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com >writes: >>I heard he died a week ago. > New thread: how did Peter die? Full coroner's report not >necessary, but dark humor is a plus. Top Ten List of how Peter David Died 10. Shouldn't have tried to change careers to stand up comic. 9. New Marvel policy: all writers must be *real* Marvel Zombies 8. Dangling Writer's Block of Damocles thread finally snapped. SQUISH! 7. Shock at realization he might have both King Arthur and Prince Eric as son-in-laws. [note: Peter has daughters named Guineviere and Ariel] 6. Played "Is There A God" with Wednesday Thursday Addams. 5. "Mr. Arnold, where were you on the night of November 13th?" 4. Posessed by evil David Peters alter-ego. 3. Took a packet of Rit, added water...oops, that's how Peter David dyed. 2. New Marvel promotion; cover ink of X-Factor #71 reprint made of writer's blood, sales higher than expected. And the number one way Peter David died... 1. Terminal jealousy of Suicide Squid. =================================================================== = From: hannu@polaris.utu.fi (Hannu Pajunen) = Message-ID: <1991Nov21.054126.2829@polaris.utu.fi> = Date: 21 Nov 91 05:41:26 GMT >> WHO (OR WHAT) IS _SUICIDE_SQUID_? Yes, it is a (IMHO) stupid in-joke, that got started when some poster decided to ridicule another poster's typo by 'assuming' that the original poster in fact didn't make a typo... (what a nice way to treat fellow r.a.c.er...) Anyhow, these ever-too-long-lasting Squid posts have discredited some of the finest contributors to this newsgroup, as we can NEVER be sure whether they are truthful, or just on another mission to pull our legs... And what's worse: they are going to smear the annual r.a.c comics poll with dirt by calling it 'The Squiddies'... Yuck! And before you accuse me of not having a sense of humor: I do have it, I DID enjoy the first FEW Squid posts, but this has been going on for too long now, and just face it, the Squid postings have not been especially humorous or original lately... No offense. =================================================================== = From: rkelly@triton.unm.edu (Robert Kelly) = Message-ID: = Date: 21 Nov 91 16:55:16 GMT >Regarding Madrox and Fallen Angels: > >Trust me. I have this under control, and an explanation or two up my >sleeve. Now maybe you won't *like* the explanation...but it's there, >and it'll be in issues #74 and 75. I have not forgotten "Fallen >Angels." > >PAD Unfortuantely, niether have we. In fact, if you could retcon the whole stupid story out of existance, I'd support you. Actually, I think that would be pretty keen... Alonzo could come back to life... Peter, what a GREA Idea! Bring back the mutant BLUE crab!!! It could do a team up with the SQUID! =================================================================== = From: ibanez@ac.dal.ca = Message-ID: <1991Nov21.140242.2126@ac.dal.ca> = Date: 21 Nov 91 18:02:42 GMT S o all this Suicide Squid shit is a joke? Wow, my sides are still aching from the gut wrenching laughter. I never bothered to read thse posts, figuring that they were about some independent comic I'd never saw, or was much less interested in. So funny jokes start from typos. Hmmmmm I sure hope no one posts about the Legion of Supper Heroes.... =================================================================== = From: bulloj@aix.rpi.edu (John Bullough) = Message-ID: = Date: 21 Nov 91 20:47:46 GMT We don't like to talk about those horrible one-dimensional stories that Archie Comics printing about S.S. and the Legion of Supper Heroes either. They were lame. Even the art stunk. Squiddy on his own rules! =================================================================== = From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) = Message-ID: <1991Nov21.223824.23140@spool.cs.wisc.edu> = Date: 21 Nov 91 22:38:24 GMT In <1991Nov21.054126.2829@polaris.utu.fi> hannu@polaris.utu.fi (Hannu Pajunen) writes: >I DID enjoy the first FEW Squid posts, but this has been going on for >too long now, and just face it, the Squid postings have not been >especially humorous or original lately... No offense. Well, what can you expect? Haven't you noticed that Tom Defalco has been editing all Squid related posts? =================================================================== = From: pakemmer@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Peter A. Kemmer) = Message-ID: <1991Nov22.031040.19747@rodan.acs.syr.edu> = Date: 22 Nov 91 03:10:40 GMT I heard there was a boxed set of the "Suicide Squid Sushi-O-Rama" cookbooks coming out this month, featuring Indian Hot Curry Squid Salad on the cover. Is this true or am I being lied to by my dealer? =================================================================== = From: tyg@z.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Nov22.064751.375@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1991 06:47:51 GMT In article Gregory James Legowski writes: >You mean the Ultimate Warrior now writes the Hulk? (Followups to >rec.sports.pro-wrestling for the uninformed: Steve DiSalvo is a >running joke. About time to see it go outside that newsgroup...) Ok, so the followup is obvious...still... Hoo'd win, Suicide Squid or Steve DiSalvo? I'll put my money on Squiddy; after all, he's got his own t-shirt line. =================================================================== = From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) = Message-ID: <1991Nov22.190432.1367@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> = Date: Fri, 22 Nov 91 19:04:32 GMT Squiddy if the contest is held underwater, DiSalvo above water. =================================================================== = From: tyg@z.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Nov22.194743.20825@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1991 19:47:43 GMT In article francis@styracosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu (RD Francis) writes: >Consider the table open for more nominations of strong inkers. I'm >sure there are a few I'm forgetting. ... Of course, the strongest inker of all would have to be Suicide Squid... (sorry, I tried, but I just couldn't resist a set up like David provided) =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: <1991Nov23.023611.116@cs.umn.edu> = Date: 23 Nov 91 02:36:11 GMT In article <1991Nov23.015805.2298@zip.eecs.umich.edu> tyg@z.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes: > >Um, as much as I like the idea of r.a.c. (48,000 readers according to >the last arbitron stats) helping to determine the course of the >comics industry, this seems a rather odd choice for a poll. Taking the topic and veering it to the left, I think Tom has struck on our true purpose in life. To take over control of the comics industry and steer it in the direction we see fit. In short, a Comic Book Illuminati. Slowly but surely the readers of r.a.c. will fill vital positions in every level of the comic industry. Someone makes a move we don't like? (i.e. yet another "What if Phoenix hadn't been such a popular character?" issue) Calls are made. conversations are whispered in the hall, letters are sent and that person finds themselves working on the Nancy-Archie crossover. I say we're just the people to take over this industry and direct to the proper plateau that it should reach. Oh, and we'll call ourselves: Brotherhood of the Squid! =================================================================== = From: djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes) = Message-ID: <1991Nov22.194727.6703@pbhyc.PacBell.COM> = Date: 22 Nov 91 19:47:27 GMT = Subject: Who Killed Peter David? The Hackers Three -- Episode 278A -- "Who Killed Peter David" Teleplay by Dan'l Danehy-Oakes Based on an original story by Roach TEASER 1 1 MEDIUM SHOT of a lone hacker hunched over his terminal doing what hackers do best: reading netnews. The view should be slightly down so we get a sort of paranoid impression. As opening music fades, we PAN IN and see that this is none other than the insidious Napoleon of Crime, MORIARTY. The radio is chattering newstalk in the background. We cannot quite make out what it's saying. Suddenly he sits bolt upright in his chair. MORIARTY My god! MORIARTY disconnects from the distant system with a few deft keystrokes, then switches his phone to voice mode and dials. We hear the beepbeeps of the Touch-Tone (TM) dialing, and the distant ringing; then click-and-rattle as the phone is taken off the hook by someone who sounds _very_ sleepy as he answers: JAYEMBEE (v/o) Wha--!? Who'ziss? Camera closes in on MORIARTY during the following conversation. MORIARTY Jerry, it's me -- JAYEMBEE (v/o) Jeff, do you know what _time_ it is here? MORIARTY Yes, dammit, but this is important. It's Peter -- Jeff, he's _dead_. By now the camera should be close on MORIARTY's stricken face as we FADE TO opening credits. END TEASER Commercials. ACT ONE 2 2 Open on a LONG SHOT of stately Casa David in beautiful Queens, NY. There is a crowd gathered in front of the mansion, and it is _barely_ restrained by a police line. A WOR (NY Channel 9) news crew is on the site. Beautiful reporter APRIL MAY KNOTT is speaking into her mike. Flash cut to: 3 3 Newscamera's view of APRIL MAY APRIL MAY --was struck by tragedy early this morning when the sounds of gunfire were heard in the house of world-renowned novelist and comic-book scripter Peter David. This is a terrible tragedy for the entire David family, not to mention David's legion of readers all over the world. According to police, Mrs. David was ironing the cat when she heard the shots. She ran into David's study, where she found him lying dead, a gunshot wound in his head, wrists slit, a noose around his neck, an empty bottle of sleeping pills on the floor, and with his hand still clutching the knife he had apparently inserted into the toaster. Police are speculating that the death may have been suicide, but there is some question as to _why_ the writer, with so much to live for, would choose to kill himself. 4 4 Still newscamera shot, now obviously pre-taped: a caption reads POLICE SERGEANT PURLEY STUBBINS, whom we see on the camera. STUBBINS There were two clues -- one was an open copy of the COLLECTED WORKS OF FRANZ KAFKA on his writing desk. The other was a half- eaten plate of Nigiri and Sashimi. APRIL MAY (v/o) What do you think it means? STUBBINS He was eating sushi and reading Kafka, and the book depressed him so much he killed himself. 5 5 Back to APRIL MAY. In the background, police are carrying out a stretcher. APRIL MAY Some officials are not so certain. State Senator Robert Kelly, in Albany, is one of these. 6 6 Shot of ROBERT KELLY, with the New York State Capitol Building in the bg. A panhandler can be seen slowly shuffling up toward KELLY from behind. KELLY Some of the circumstances surrounding the David death seem more than a little suspicious. For one thing, Peter would never have used that much wasaabi on his Nigiri. For another, he'd been reading Kafka for years and never killed himself before. So I'm calling for a full investigation of the death and asking full cooperation of the FBI and the newly-formed government Hacker Force. By now the panhandler is right behind KELLY. As he taps KELLY on the shoulder we see that his throat is scarred and he is wearing a sign -- "HAVE NO HOME, NO JOB, AND NO VOICE. PLEASE HELP WITH CONTRIBUTION" KELLY AAAAAGH! A damned _MUTIE!_ Get away! 7 7 As 3 APRIL MAY That's all from Queens. We'll keep you up on further developments. Back to you, June. Cut to: 8 8 Outside Casa David. A long, low limo pulls up, and a large orange-and-black stuffed animal bounces out. It is the TYGGER. MORARTY and JAYEMBEE rush to join him. MORIARTY Tygger -- thank God. We weren't sure if you'd got the call. TYGGER I didn't, but I heard about it on the news and I had to come. I should've known you'd be here. MORIARTY The police are calling it suicide. JAYEMBEE Ridiculous. He wouldn't kill himself; he hasn't even seen "The Jolson Story." TYGGER and MORIARTY look puzzled. JAYEMBEE Never mind. Let's go in and check things out. They head inwards. 9 9 Interior Casa David -- a wide-angle of PETER DAVID's study. It's luxuriously appointed with oaken book shelves filled with PETER's works (including translations into dozens of languages, Talking Books for the deaf, and DAT recordings of his famous Greengrocer To The Gods series in Delphine) and a special shelf containing his Hugoes, Nebulas, Eagles, RAC awards, National Book Award, Pulitzer Prize, and Nobel medal. The area around the teak writing desk is a _mess_... There has obviously been a struggle. The Merino carpet is singed and stained with blood, vomit, and... something else. The three hackers enter and inspect the place. TYGGER snuffles the "something else." TYGGER Salt water. _Sea_ water. Smells like it came from the Long Island Sound. JAYEMBEE _Yetch_ MORIARTY merely looks disgusted. JAYEMBEE What was he doing with Sound water? Fade to black. END OF ACT ONE Commercials ACT TWO 10 10 Interior, Queens morgue. The three hackers are sitting on a bench. Police forensics expert BOB MOSELEY emerges from behind a wooden door with a glazed window reading "OR 1". They stand. MOSELEY Nothing. The three look shocked. MORIARTY Nothing _at_ _all_ to indicate murder? MOSELEY Nothing at all to indicate murder. . . in fact, the only unusual thing besides the fact that he was dead was the sucker marks. TYGGER Sucker marks?!?! MOSELEY Yes. There were a number of sucker marks on his face and arms. As if he'd been in a battle with some huge octopus... TYGGER What do you make of that, Jeff? MORIARTY I dunno. Maybe he was trying to make his own calimari? Light dawns on all their faces. MORIARTY Calimari!!! TYGGER (meditatively) The seaweed of crime bears bitter sushi... FLASH CUT to: 11 11 Another office in the same building. A harassed-looking records officer, SERGEANT MORPHEUS, hangs up the phone and speaks to the Three, who are standing there waiting with ill-concealed impatience. LEE Sorry. Both Calimarii are accounted for. The Atlantic Calimari was performing surgery all night, and the Pacific Calimari is in maximum-security at Folsom. Warden Maroney says he hasn't escaped. The Three Hackers walk out, TYGGER and MORIARTY looking dejected. DISSOLVE TO: 12 12 Long shot over the dark waters of the Long Island Sound. A low chuckling is heard. MYSTERIOUS VOICE Heeheehee... They'll never figure it out. My Squiddie is assured! AND DISSOLVE AGAIN TO: 13 13 The Three in a boat rental shoppe on the Nassau shore. They're just donning orange life jackets. JAYEMBEE I _told_ you it couldn't be Calimari. TYGGER All right, all right, enough with the I- told-you-so's and let's catch us a Cephalopod. They exit. 14-18 14-18 The camera eye follows them through the door and down to the dock, where they enter a small motorboat (named KATHY L.), and cast off. 19 19 Overhead view of boat putting through LI Sound 20 20 Side view of boat. The Hackers Three are tossing... something...overboard. We can barely hear their voices: HACKERS Here, squid, squid, squid... Nice squid... 21 21 View of calm water. Suddenly there is a roiling as of _something_ below. 22 22 as 20 JAYEMBEE He's coming. MORIARTY Great. What was your first clue? JAYEMBEE That -- JAYEMBEE points to a heavy wake, with no boat leading it, rushing toward the KATHY L. It stops suddenly right before it hits the boat and you-probably-already-guessed- who rears up. He speaks in a _very_ impressive, Don Pardo-type voice. 23 23 C/U SUICIDE SQUID SUICIDE SQUID WHO DARES SUMMON ME? 24 24 as 20 The Hackers Three sort of point at each other. Finally TYGGER speaks up. 25 25 C/U TYGGER TYGGER He did. Points at JAYEMBEE. 26 26 C/U JAYEMBEE JAYEMBEE No, it was him. Points at MORIARTY 27 27 C/U MORIARTY MORIARTY No, it was definitely Jerry. 28 28 as 25 TYGGER And that makes two-to-one, Jerry, so nyaah. 29 29 as 26 JAYEMBEE Yeah, well. Just you wait till my next sig file. 30 30 as 27 MORIARTY (aside) If we live that long... 31 31 as 26 JAYEMBEE Well, I guess we all did. See, we know what you did. 32 32 Medium shot showing all four SUICIDE SQUID AND JUST WHAT DO YOU INTEND TO DO ABOUT IT? TYGGER Yeah, Jerry, just what _do_ we intend to do about it? 33 33 as 27 MORIARTY (aside to TYGGER) Shut _up_... 34 34 as 32 JAYEMBEE Actually, we were just wondering _why_. SUICIDE SQUID OH, THAT. I WAS JUST ELIMINATING COMPETITION FOR MY SQUIDDIE. JAYEMBEE Squiddie? >laughs< You mean the "best hoax?" All Three laugh. SUICIDE SQUID looks puzzled and angry as only a cephalopod can. 35 35 as 23 SUICIDE SQUID AND JUST WHAT DO YOU FIND SO FUNNY ABOUT THAT? 36 36 AS 25 TYGGER That's not a squiddie! That's just one of the _alternate_ awards I cooked up! Collapses back into helpless laughter. 37 37 as 23 SUICIDE SQUID OH, *RATS*... Takes out a large black bomb and lights the fuse. 38 38 Shot of boat, slightly above MORIARTY (Still nearly helpless laughing) We'd better get _out_ of here... They start the engine as the fuse burns. 39-45 39-45 Camera follows boat as SUICIDE SQUID disappears in the bg. Suddenly there's a large FOOM sound and bits of calimari rain down on the boat; a moment later it's picked up by a huge wave that carries boat offscreen. Fade to black. END ACT TWO Commercials, of course. TAG 46 46 Interior Casa David, PETER's study. Pan around slowly while somber music plays. PETER emerges from behind a panel in the wall. PETER (laughing) The fools _fell_ for it... Now the Alternate Squiddie is mine, all mine... END =================================================================== = From: faber@loon.cs.wisc.edu (Ted) = Message-ID: <1991Nov23.193220.1917@spool.cs.wisc.edu> = Date: 23 Nov 91 19:32:20 GMT In <1991Nov23.052217.6493@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> ddd@cvs.rochester.edu (Derryl D. DePriest) writes: >On another note, one item item I've considered doing a bit of >research into, concerns when exactly the first DC comic used dialogue >that wasn't punctuated by solely exclamation points. That was Squid Cavalcade #17, the famous understated "It's the innocent who suffer from Calamari's madness; that's why we keep doing this." line that ends the issue. It misses being another punctuation milestone by only a month, since All-Squid Comics #132 featured the first correctly used semi-colon. ... On a related, well kind of related note, has anyone else noticed that putting words between asterisks has become a substitute for boldfacing in comics? I noticed this a few times, and I wonder if it's one of those things that subtly crept in from the net. =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: <1991Nov23.234717.10586@cs.umn.edu> = Date: 23 Nov 91 23:47:17 GMT I thought that the comic version of "Elements of Style" (Classics Illustrated #47) was released slightly before All-Squid Comics #132. (I know they're close so I better check.) Incidentally, if you look very closely you can see a squid in the background of the EoS section on split infinitives. I think this was about the time Gold Key was making offers on some of the squid titles. =================================================================== = From: mattel@auto-trol.com (Matt Telles) = Message-ID: <1991Nov22.195231.14882@auto-trol.com> = Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1991 19:52:31 GMT In article <1991Nov22.053148.11793@cco.caltech.edu> morpheus@cco.caltech.edu (Ken Bartlett) writes: >00njhavert@bsu-ucs.uucp writes: >>Here's a new question. Which comic character do you miss the most, >>dead or otherwise? > >Peter David. No no no. Peter's not dead. He's in a regenerative coma, caused by an excess of ionic energy when the Ion Bomb (tm) went off in the middle of a page of the Little Mermaid. When he wakes up, his energy will be such that he will be propelled back in time. A consequence of this action is that a small sea creature with eight legs will be charged with ion energy (however the results of that will not be seen until the crossover in issue 31). In addition, he will take the name Jack Kirby for a while, then will proceed to work for some comic book company... Oh, just wait til the relevant issues come out... =================================================================== = From: faber@loon.cs.wisc.edu (Ted) = Message-ID: <1991Nov24.215401.29206@spool.cs.wisc.edu> = Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1991 21:54:01 GMT In <1991Nov23.234717.10586@cs.umn.edu> lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes: >I thought that the comic version of "Elements of Style"... Right, but as you mentioned those were Gold Key and he wanted the DC comic. But boy the EoS comic version was breathtaking, wasn't it? I'd love to see a modern revamp using some of todays artists. Shanower or Rude doing the declarative sentences, and Sienkiewicz doing excalmations, whew. Maybe we can get Alan Moore to add a few imagery or metaphor examples as a foreward or something.... >Incidentally, if you look very closely you can see a squid in the >background of the EoS section on split infinitives. I think this was >about the time Gold Key was making offers on some of the squid >titles. I hadn't noticed that, but after you mentioned it there he was! Right next to the "to boldly swim" caption. =================================================================== = From: sl6r9@cc.usu.edu = Message-ID: <1991Nov25.105441.50772@cc.usu.edu> = Date: 25 Nov 91 10:54:41 MDT In article , bulloj@aix.rpi.edu (John Bullough) writes: > We don't like to talk about those horrible one-dimensional stories > that Archie Comics printing about S.S. and the Legion of Supper > Heroes either... Let's not be all that harsh on the LSH. Captain Silverware had a lot of potential. And Funky Chicken, boy was she always well "dressed" (hubba-hubba). =================================================================== = From: djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes) = Message-ID: <1991Nov25.182949.6907@pbhyc.PacBell.COM> = Date: 25 Nov 91 18:29:49 GMT Of course, the strongest inker of all is... Suicide Squid... =================================================================== = From: ddd@cvs.rochester.edu (Derryl D. DePriest) = Message-ID: <1991Nov25.190556.29627@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> = Date: 25 Nov 91 19:05:56 GMT ... Thanks to tyg .... He effuses ideas like Suicide Squid goes through ink. (BTW, if you think about it, the real answer to "Who's the strongest inker?" can only have one correct answer. =================================================================== = From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy) = Message-ID: <1991Nov26.201019.5060@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> = Date: 26 Nov 91 20:10:19 GMT In a previous article, tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) says: ... >But for now, I'm taking suggestions for other possible voted on >categories and nominations for the alternative poll. Remember, we're >going for humor here folks. Hmm... Best net.plot.theory: suicide squiD is the 7th Endless Cable is Nathan Summers Tom Defalco is the Antichrist ... =================================================================== = From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) = Message-ID: <1991Nov26.203242.641@tc.fluke.COM> = Date: 26 Nov 91 20:32:42 GMT In <1991Nov18.051700.277@zip.eecs.umich.edu> tyg@z.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes: >And before anyone even thinks about it, no there won't be any >"Suicide Squid's Pal, Jon Singer" t-shirts. UhnUhn. Nope. No way. >Nada. "Jerri! We're out of chocolate!" Rrrrrree Rrrrrree Rrrrrreee [OK, maybe that's not the sound of a signal watch. Personally, I'd make mine sound like a submarine diving claxon.] =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Cogsworth" Smith) = Message-ID: <1991Nov27.050858.6081@cs.umn.edu> = Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1991 05:08:58 GMT In <24419@darkstar.ucsc.edu> billk@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Bill Karwin) writes: >martyz@idui1.csrv.uidaho.edu (Marty Zimmerman) writes: >[rumorous membership summary of post-Breakdowns JLA & JLE, apparently > printed in Amazing Heroes.] >Ptui! If this lineup is true, then my tentative plan to dump the >Justice League titles after "Breakdowns" is over has just >solidified!! This is pretty much my reaction. "Breakdowns" is just going on much too long and they seem to be throwing everything but the Flying Kitchen Sink of Doom (The Dark Ink Detective Returns #3) into the story. When Lobo showed up, I knew the title was in trouble. Frankly, I'm glad they didn't take us up on the Suicide Squid as a member suggestion. =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Cogsworth" Smith) = Message-ID: <1991Nov27.052333.7698@cs.umn.edu> = Date: 27 Nov 91 05:23:33 GMT In <1991Nov25.105441.50772@cc.usu.edu> sl6r9@cc.usu.edu writes: >In article , bulloj@aix.rpi.edu (John Bullough) >writes: >> In article <1991Nov21.140242.2126@ac.dal.ca> ibanez@ac.dal.ca >> writes: >>> >>>I sure hope no one posts about the Legion of Supper Heroes.... ... I must be confused. Wasn't Quicksilverware a member of LSH? Actually, I liked the character of Salad Shooter (especially the bandoliers of carrots.) Whatever happened to him? The worst Legionnaire had to be that martial artist Archie tried out during the Kung Fu era. I mean, martial arts characters tend to be bad (with the exception of Lone Knife and Teaspoon) but Chop Stix reached new levels of awful. =================================================================== = From: parham@masig5.ocean.fsu.edu (Fred Parham) = Message-ID: <5723@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> = Date: 27 Nov 91 14:59:07 GMT In article <1991Nov27.052333.7698@cs.umn.edu> lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Cogsworth" Smith) writes: [Re: Archie Comics' Suicide-Squid-and-the-Legion-of-Supper-Heroes stories] > Chop Stix reached new levels of awful. Yes, Chop Stix was truly an awful character, but the next martial arts character they tried, Carroty Kid, was much better. My least favorite character from the Legion was actually only a minor character in the comics; he was one of the leads on the TV show, though. Anyone remember Groovy Grouper? He had a theme song sung by the Archies to the tune of "Sugar Sugar Honey Honey": Groovy Grouper/da da da da da da da da/He's so super/da da da da da da da /He is my sushi fish/ And he's all that I could wish BLEAH. Groovy Grouper was even worse than Bat-Mite, and that's saying a lot. =================================================================== = From: ddd@cvs.rochester.edu (Derryl D. DePriest) = Message-ID: <1991Nov27.174859.16491@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> = Date: 27 Nov 91 17:48:59 GMT I detect another r.a.c. legend in the making... While the American Indian character, Chop Souixie, was better written, his costume was atrocious. I mean the buckskin fringes were a nice touch, but did they have to be three feet long and slathered with soy sauce? The worst costume had to belong to one of the tryout characters, MSG-1. The salt shaker body suit looked a little cumbersome in battle. The flip-up visor was the only way he could actually use his power. He gave his life saving Jolly Green Giant Boy from the giant crop eater on Ltlztl 5. >but the next martial arts character they tried, Carroty Kid, was much >better. Well yes, but I thought it was a blatant move to get an orange-skinned green-haired Legionairre into the book (the only other such tryout, Orange Roughy, later became a member of the Legion of Supper Heroes Leftovers). =================================================================== = From: ncrawler@bluemoon.rn.com (Steve Goldfein) = Message-ID: = Date: Sat, 30 Nov 91 14:23:50 EST Well, I will never forget Spinach-man, with his awful dialog, and gross costume. Though, he later had a better costume and not so bad dialog when he married the Cantelope Queen.....Of course my all-time favorite will have to be Chopsteak! =================================================================== = From: rmdunlav@rodan.acs.syr.edu (ryan m. dunlavey) = Message-ID: <1991Dec1.210556.19030@rodan.acs.syr.edu> = Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1991 21:05:56 GMT By the way, whatever happened to the Lasagna Lad One-Shot prestige format special by Steve Rude?! I was really looking forward to finding out if "The Big Noodle" would finally reconcile his relationship with Garbonzo Girl. =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Cogsworth" Smith) = Message-ID: <1991Dec1.024007.1270@cs.umn.edu> = Date: 1 Dec 91 02:40:07 GMT Well, my local comic shop (who I have forgiven for not saving me a copy of the Sandman-Suicide Squid special) got in the new comics on Wednesday so I went down and picked up the usual assortment plus the long awaited Suicide Squid Christmas Special. (This things been on the back burner longer than the Watchmen movie.) Anyway, I generally enjoyed the issue. Santa Squid was a neat idea and the picture of Suicide Squid surrounded by all (and I mean *all*) of his old comapnions was really nice. (Touching even to a jaded, angst-ridden ex-X-fan like myself.) However, I really must complain about the final splash page. (I'll insert a ^L here for our Oz friends who won't get it for a few weeks.) So Squiddie has once again defeated Dr Calamari (has the good doctor used the Brain Ginsu before this?) and there's the explosion in the lab. When Squiddie wakes up he's facing a *GREEN* Squiddie who greets him with a quote from Shakespeare. ("His legs bestried the ocean; his rear'd arm/ Crested the world; his voice was propertied/ As all tuned spheres, and that to friends") At the bottom is the usual little box with "To be continued" in it. Is the world ready for two Squiddies? Has the PAD estate and Marvel started legal proceedings yet? Can Squiddie deal with an intellectual version of himself? =================================================================== = From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Dec1.225735.24572@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 1 Dec 91 22:57:35 GMT ... ".sig held hostage Day Eight. Interested in hiring someone who'll definitely have interesting things to post on his door/bulletin board? Other specialties include AI, Databases, OOP, Lisp, C, writing, general creativity, email for a resume. Free Squid shirt for a successful lead or offer." --tyg =================================================================== = From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty) = Message-ID: <1991Dec2.192749.27110@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> = Date: 2 Dec 91 19:27:49 GMT In article <1991Dec2.002725.11196@zia.aoc.nrao.edu>, jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu (Jim Ogle (Ks. Jim)) writes: >In article EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu (Ernie Oporto) writes: > >>Calimari (I think this is the planet of those Lobster people from >>RotJ) > >Calimari is the homeworld of the fishfaced aliens that showed up in >RotJ; admiral Ackbar is a Mon Calamari. Mon Calamari = Squid Man? Planet of lobster people? Methinks there might be old-time Squiddy fans at Lucasfilm Ltd. ... =================================================================== = From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty) = Message-ID: <1991Dec2.190645.26387@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> = Date: 2 Dec 91 19:06:45 GMT I find it mighthy strange that the oldest and most famous of all the Supper Legionnaires hasn't been mentioned in this thread. Please don't tell me that everybody has forgotten... BEAN HILL LAD! A true hero among heroes. "The Death of Bean Hill Lad" was, IMO, the best LSH story ever. =================================================================== = From: rcj@caen.engin.umich.edu (R o d Johnson) = Message-ID: = Date: 2 Dec 91 19:45:12 GMT Minor nit: that's "Bean-Hill-Influence Lad". Undeniably great, I agree. Does anyone (that's you, Tom) have Tim's original summary of BHI Lad's death around? I'd say it deserves a repost, if only so the younger generation of r.a.c. readers doesn't remain ignorant about this great hero. =================================================================== = From: ka-py401@bgsu.edu (Jim Kiley) = Message-ID: <8733@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu> = Date: 2 Dec 91 20:59:45 GMT I really have to disagree about the death of Bean Hill Lad being the best LSH story ever. I mean, with the whole 900 number call in thing, and some r.a.c. ers (who shall of course remain nameless) admitting to having called in in favor of Beanie's death 40 or 50 times each, the whole story was more of a sham. I must admit that the followup stories to his death were good though, especially the touching scene with Chop Stix over Beanie's grave in the Annual. =================================================================== = From: MSH109@psuvm.psu.edu = Message-ID: <91336.202910MSH109@psuvm.psu.edu> = Date: 3 Dec 91 01:29:09 GMT I think you're way off the mark here, Jim. The writers pulled the "Chop Stix-u nrequited-love-subplot" out of nowhere. My personal favorite story was in issue #106 (i think, someone correct me if I'm wrong) "Twice Burnd", featuring a showdown between Hibachi Boy and the arch-villan Freezr Burnz. You have to admit, the confrontation on the Rotisserie of Doom, and HB's soliloquy, was powerful. I cried. Then the back-up feature with Asparagus Lad and Brussel Sprout was excellent. It was a kind of "look into the Legionaires' private lives" story. Our intrepid heroes travelling from bar to bar and getting rejected by every girl they asked to dance...powerful, powerful stuff. Although I can see the argument that it's too 'angsty'... Just my 2 creds... =================================================================== = From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Dec3.024627.22321@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 3 Dec 91 02:46:27 GMT In article rcj@caen.engin.umich.edu (R o d Johnson) writes: >Does anyone (that's you, Tom) have Tim's original summary of BHI >Lad's death Well, not quite the whole summary, but selected parts did make it into my quote file, which I'll dip into for the occasion. "The day is saved, but having removed Bean-Hill-Influence Lad's great weakness, the writer has pencilled himself into a corner. The character is now too powerful to live. He dies saving the galaxy againt the Yellow String Bean Men of Altrax 49 three issues later." --Tim Maroney "High-Temperature-Superconductor Lass and her brother, Room-Temperature-Fusion-Kid, are watching Bean-Hill-Influence Lad's death rattle the very cosmos to its foundations." --Tim Maroney "Floro-Girl, Vrepny Woosh of Fipsy Five, enters and uses her power to grow a figure of Bean-Hill-Influence Lad. All three embrace and hide their faces. Then gently, as if by instinct, Bozna swoons into Xxymo-Leh's arms; he throws his head back in anguish. This full-page splash ends the issue, a daring and original departure since it's usually on the front cover when somebody dies." --Tim Maroney =================================================================== = From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) = Message-ID: <1991Dec3.030312.2215@tc.fluke.COM> = Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1991 03:03:12 GMT Selections from TOP TEN BIOENGINEERING PROJECTS IN DEVELOPMENT: ... 7. Squids that wait for the cable guy ... =================================================================== = From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Dec3.055125.26890@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 3 Dec 91 05:51:25 GMT In article <42960@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt5878b@prism.gatech.EDU (Eddie Maise) writes: >If you think I'm making T-shirts for this one, you're nuts! But, Eddie, we know you're nuts from your doing the Squid shirts...oh you mean *we're* nuts. Figures though...I suppose just like every artist except George Perez lives in fear of being asked to draw all 100+ characters associated with the Legion, it'd also be a nightmare to do the seps and screens for a t-shirt. And I'm still waiting for someone to work my Bizarro-LSH character Anti-Matter-Vomiter Lad into this... =================================================================== = From: akhale@cayuga.Stanford.EDU (Abhijit Khale) = Message-ID: <1991Dec3.075951.5094@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> = Date: 3 Dec 91 07:59:51 GMT ... As for Supes and Lori [Lemaris], hmm I think it could be done as well. But how many people would rather see Lori ditch SuperStupe and swim into the sunset with Suicide Squid ? =================================================================== = From: rjwilson@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Robert Wilson) = Message-ID: <1991Dec3.231633.1467@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> = Date: 3 Dec 91 23:16:33 GMT In article <1991Nov21.140242.2126@ac.dal.ca> ibanez@ac.dal.ca writes: >I sure hope no one posts about the Legion of Supper Heroes.... Actually, I have to admit to a childhood of supper-hero fandom. In particular I enjoyed the issues where they elected their leaders. Was anyone else disappointed when Mater/Eater Lad wasn't elected because of the others worrying about the non-food aspect of his powers? And what's this I hear about a recent retconning of SupperBoy? =================================================================== = From: klein@kira.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein) = Message-ID: <1991Dec3.231340.883@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> = Date: 3 Dec 91 23:13:40 GMT I was looking over my vast collection of classic 60's LSH's when I realized just how ahead of its time this comic was! I am referring, of course, to the famous 'drug stories' that predated the no-code Amazing Spider-Man issues by five years. Of course, to circumvent the code, the author had to use 'Groovy Gravy' instead of actual drugs, which gave us the classic 'BEWARE -- The GROOVY GRAVY!' cover. This series brought about many changes in the team, most notably the departure of Potato Princess, to be replaced by her kid brother Tater Tot. Also, Borscht Boy actually QUIT being a hero to join the Beetniks!!! (later it was revealed that BB had joined the Legion under false pretenses - he didn't have any innate power, but used a device - the Borscht Belt) In the mid 70's it was confirmed that this arc was actually a drug story - Potato Princess finally returned from the rehab planet of Dee-tocs VII. And let us not forget that in the early 80's, it was the first comic (mainstream or otherwise) to deal with a certain controversial topic - yes, I'm talking about the issue where the Citrus Kid is revealed to have: ^L Lyme disease! (which started the Great Morality of Walking Through the Woods Where You Could Get Bitten By a Tick Flamewar) A very powerful and moving story. That's enough nostalgia for one post. Hope to be hearing from all you Legion of Supper Heroes fans out there. =================================================================== = From: woods@colossal.Eng.Sun.COM (Don Woods) = Message-ID: <23987@exodus.Eng.Sun.COM> = Date: 3 Dec 91 23:22:36 GMT Given the number of people eager to post about things that appear (to the uninitiated, of course) to be simple typoes, I thought maybe somebody would take time out from writing about Suicide Squid and the Legion of Supper Heroes and explain to me just what a "villian" is. I've seen the term used a lot on r.a.c, but it's not in my dictionary. My best guess is that a "villian" is someone who lives in a villa. But that hardly explains the negative connotations that seem to accompany the term. (Hm, people who live in villas are typically rich, and money is the root of all evil?) And then of course there's the Legion of Supper Villians -- Chameleon Chef, Mix Master, Dairy Queen, ... can anybody remember the rest? -- who presumably invite unsuspecting victims up to their villas and serve them sushi.... =================================================================== = From: parham@masig5.ocean.fsu.edu (Fred Parham) = Message-ID: <5827@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> = Date: 4 Dec 91 15:22:10 GMT A "villian" is an evil character whose powers derive from his or her (or its) villi, the little thingies in the intestines that absorb nutrients. Digesto Damsel, an old foe of the Legion of Supper Heroes, is one, as are the members of the Squid Sushi Squad. =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Cogsworth" Smith) = Message-ID: <1991Dec4.023023.29979@cs.umn.edu> = Date: 4 Dec 91 02:30:23 GMT All this talk of LSH had me digging through some of my older collection the other day. What I had forgotten about was Marvel's "food groups". (Did they ever get four like they promised?) The best was probably The Appetizers. The issues I have had a pretty unstable cast of regulars, but I think this is a pretty thorough list: The Feast Wonder Bread The Scarlet Sandwich (hubahuba!) Captain American Cheese (with his flying wheel of cheese) Antipasto Man (actually one of many aliases for Henry Pymscup) Wassail Ribeye The Venison Tacosta (not really a member, some sort of metal waitress, I think) There was eventually a West Coast Appetizers, but they were really two weird for my tastes (pun not intended). How can anyone take a hero called The Terrible Tofu seriously? =================================================================== = From: jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu (CHARLES JORDAN) = Message-ID: <1991Dec4.025828.2368@athena.cs.uga.edu> = Date: 4 Dec 91 02:58:28 GMT In all this talk of the Legion of Supper Heroes, I am amazed and disappointed that no one has even mentioned the two best characters to come out of the series! Of course I'm talking about the super-duo Bagel Boy and Lox Lass! Are they the most under-rated characters in comics history or what? Except for that long series in the 300's written by David Byrne (in a rare comics appearance -- if you ask me, he missed his true calling when he left writing comics for that band, but that's another story) which focused on their origins and powers and their secret background connections to both the Druids and the Hair Club for Men, they were relegated to a small story in the back of the book or were shown in just a few panels, cleaning up the Legion HQ, making salads, playing mah-jongg, or walking Crouton, the Legion's (silly, IMHO) mascot dog. Why, though? They easily had the most interesting powers -- Bagel Boy could at any time, turn into a deli (this is not to be confused with Granite Guy, who could turn into a driveway, but often had trouble backing out). Some scoffed at this, but who can forget how useful that turned out to be when the Legion was stranded on NestleQuik 5 and Supperboy could only be saved by a massive dose of ham salad? And Lox Lass was a little less inventive, being able to assume the form of any dairy product, but she still showed her stuff when they fought the Doom Cupcakes and the evil Bett-E Krokker. (I don't have that particular issue with me, but I believe she was almost lapped up by a gang of stray cats in that episode -- please confirm) Alan Moore tried to re-vitalize her character in the early Swamp Things by renaming her to the more correct but less provocative Lactose Lass and giving her character a more early-80's feminist slant, but by that time the character was lost. (Moore also tried the same for Bagel Boy, showing his personal crisis when he lost his powers and became able barely to turn himself into a kiosk. This is some of Moore's worst writing though, and can be found in the 33-cent boxes in most comic book stores) And then, everyone knows what happened in the LSH 4-parter released a couple years back when the company was trying to re-vitalize all their old super- hero food-related teams. My two most favorite characters were retconned out of existence in that bizarre shrimping boat accident! (Although I guess it's better than the hack job they did on the formerly entertaining series the Omega Menu.) I'm never one to second-guess the writers of these things, as I'm often wrong, but I have a theory which I'll try out here (SPOILER) : ^L In the new vegetarian comic, Hellgrazer, doesn't the lead character, Johnny Caligula, look a lot like Byrne's depiction of Bagel Boy? And remember how, just before the shrimping boat overtook the Legion's jet-ski and Lox Lass was harpooned in the skull by the evil MoeBi Dikk, Bagel Boy mentioned something about hopping into a Legion Time Processor and getting out of the Super-Hero business? I suspect that he went back in time and became Johnny Caligula! That would explain how Caligula is always pulling Snapples and Mr Goodbars out of his pocket, and how he can mysteriously appear all over the place. (Have you ever noticed that in every panel, just before he appears, there's a shot of a deli?) It would also explain all those nightmares he keeps having of rye bread and olive loaf and why he's always asking people to "take a number" Yes, I know this message is long, but I think there's just not enough space to pay homage to these two great former characters. Well, what do you think, sirs? Chuck "No, it's not easy being one of the Legion of Supper Heroes, but no one said it was going to be easy. I'm proud. I'm one of the freshest and the best. Now was that pumpernickel or whole wheat?" -- Bagel Boy, LSH # 306, "The Dinner of Our Discontent" =================================================================== = From: v124jw4y@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Benjamin R Pierce) = Message-ID: <1991Dec4.031147.23579@acsu.buffalo.edu> = Date: 4 Dec 91 03:13:00 GMT In article <1991Dec4.023023.29979@cs.umn.edu>, lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Cogsworth" Smith) writes... >All this talk of LSH had me digging through some of my older >collection the other day. What I had forgotten about was Marvel's >"food groups". (Did they ever get four like they promised?) Personally, being the devout Marvel munchkin that I am, I preferred the X-Menu. Among their members were such noteworthies as: Molasses (big and strong, but a real sweet guy) Tangerine (I'm the best there is at what I do, bub, and packed with Vitamin C, besides!) Riceman The Feast (crossed over from the Appetizers on a regular basis) Gumbo (the recently introduced Cajun member) Cherries Jubilee Stromboni (known as Oreo to her friends...) Sadly, most of my collection was destroyed when my pet mutant sponge got loose and soaked the box I was storing them in...anyone else have any back issues? =================================================================== = From: oakes@nmt.edu (David Oakes) = Message-ID: <1991Dec4.010339.3847@nmt.edu> = Date: Wed, 4 Dec 91 01:03:39 GMT In article <1991Dec3.231633.1467@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> rjwilson@prodigal.psych.rochester.edu (Robert Wilson) writes: >Was anyone else disappointed when Mater/Eater Lad wasn't elected >because of the others worrying about the non-food aspect of his >powers? i always thought that mater wasn't elected due to his habit of dressing up as mother bates did they ever clear-up that cannibalism bugaboo? =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Cogsworth" Smith) = Message-ID: <1991Dec4.041237.7857@cs.umn.edu> = Date: 4 Dec 91 04:12:37 GMT In article <1991Dec4.031147.23579@acsu.buffalo.edu> v124jw4y@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Benjamin R Pierce) writes: >Personally, being the devout Marvel munchkin that I am, I preferred >the X-Menu. Not being a Marvel Muncher, I'm a bit confused here. How many X-titles are there right now? All I could recall are: Tangerine's own title X-Menu X-Course (with Bon-Bon, Dinner Table, Domino's, and Feta) Unedible X-Menu X-Fatso (the only diet comic that I can think of...) New Mutton (no longer being published?) Now what titles do these characters fit into? Fudge Angel Cake Long Neck Cyclamate Rose' Earl Grey Tea Refrigerator Magnet (some sort of villain, right?) >Sadly, most of my collection was destroyed when my pet mutant sponge >got loose and soaked the box I was storing them in...anyone else have >any back issues? Good luck. I hear some of the X-titles are worth their weight in saffron! =================================================================== = From: gt5878b@prism.gatech.EDU (Eddie Maise) = Message-ID: <42960@hydra.gatech.EDU> = Date: 3 Dec 91 05:01:43 GMT If you think I'm making T-shirts for this one, you're nuts! I don't care how impressive a glow-in-the-dark Ghost Waiter would look. =================================================================== = From: fuzzy@athena.mit.edu (Pinkdex - TNG) = Message-ID: <1991Dec5.031948.4473@athena.mit.edu> = Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1991 03:19:48 GMT I'm afraid that Peter really is dead. This comes as no surprise to readers who carefully scan for subtext in their comics. Why, that panel in _Little Mermaid_ should have given it away right there: Neil Gaiman, Paul Chadwick, Scott McCloud and Peter David walking over a zebra crossing. Peter is the only one barefoot and wearing a baseball cap. Q.E.D. Not only that -- I understand that if you take all the dialog on page 17 of X-Factor 74 and use the first letter of each word in an anagram, it spells out "Peter is Dead" and "Suicide Squid Rules." The scam of having Peter David continue to write and appear in public is really an unholy conspiracy on the part of the comic book companies, the Masons, the International Zionist Conspiracy (tm) and the Trilateral Commission. Chilling, isn't it? =================================================================== = From: sl6r9@cc.usu.edu = Message-ID: <1991Dec4.221824.50994@cc.usu.edu> = Date: 4 Dec 91 22:18:24 MDT I too detect another r.a.c. legend in the making... Here's a slightly Comprehensive List of the LSH and LSHL: Archie Comics' Suicide-Squid-and-the-Legion-of-Supper-Heroes stories Lone Knife and Teaspoon Chop Stix Chop Souixie MSG-1. >> He gave his life saving Jolly Green Giant Boy from the giant crop >> eater on Ltlztl 5. Carroty Kid Orange Roughy Legion of Supper Heroes Leftovers Groovy Grouper Spinach-man Cantelope Queen But how can you all forget the Mysterious Mystic Mr. Napkin. His dream-travel abilities were really an innovation for the time (if you all remember that far back. His ability to make people fall asleep (hence "NAPkin") was a pun that a lot of groaned over for days on end. Making him a midget was a nice touch too. Remember, in the end, he always helped clean up the messes. =================================================================== = From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Dec5.060059.26660@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 5 Dec 91 06:00:59 GMT In article <1991Dec5.031948.4473@athena.mit.edu> fuzzy@athena.mit.edu (Pinkdex - TNG) writes: >Neil Gaiman, Paul Chadwick, Scott McCloud and Peter David walking >over a zebra crossing. Peter is the only one barefoot and wearing a >baseball cap. This, of course, was a reference to the Golden Age's Suicide Squid's Nazi arch-enemy Zuicide Zebra. (did anyone else immediately think on first hearing the British term zebra crossing of yellow and black "Zebra Xing" symbol/signs?) >Not only that -- I understand that if you take all the dialog on page >17 of X-Factor 74 and use the first letter of each word in an >anagram, it spells out "Peter is Dead" and "Suicide Squid Rules." I won't even mention what you get if you read it backwards while spinning at 33 rpm. Other than motion sick that is. >companies, the Masons, the International Zionist Conspiracy (tm) and >the Trilateral Commission. Does this precede the revamping of Zuicide Zebra as Zionist Zebra? And just what role does the grassy knoll play in all this? And did FDR have advance knowledge of Peter's death? =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Cogsworth" Smith) = Message-ID: <1991Dec5.191328.6684@cs.umn.edu> = Date: 5 Dec 91 19:13:28 GMT In article <1991Dec5.060059.26660@zip.eecs.umich.edu> tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes: >(did anyone else immediately think on first hearing the British term >zebra crossing of yellow and black "Zebra Xing" symbol/signs?) No, not really, but now I can't get the idea of a Squid Crossing out of my head. Can I send you the bills for psychoanalysis? >Does this precede the revamping of Zuicide Zebra as Zionist Zebra? >And just what role does the grassy knoll play in all this? And did >FDR have advance knowledge of Peter's death? Furthermore, does Marvel really have a new model of Peter David in their warehouse that can put out 3 major Hulk stories on a single cup of coffee? Who is this mysterious David Peters who just started writing for DC? Did alien comic book writers really visit ancient cultures and teach them how to sneak over the fourth wall? (See Captain Mayan #fish-eagle-dot-dot) (I won't even mention the bit about people seeing Peter David's huge pen in the Smithsonian `cause that's just too farfetched.) =================================================================== = From: parham@masig5.ocean.fsu.edu (Fred Parham) = Message-ID: <5873@sun13.scri.fsu.edu> = Date: 5 Dec 91 20:45:36 GMT Lance "Cogsworth" Smith >No, not really, but now I can't get the idea of a Squid Crossing out >of my head. Can I send you the bills for psychoanalysis?" Those darned [ALL] subliminal cephalopodic [SHALL] mind control messages! [OBEY] You just can't [SUICIDE] avoid them! Fred [SQUID] Parham =================================================================== = From: jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu (CHARLES JORDAN) = Message-ID: <1991Dec5.081409.5236@athena.cs.uga.edu> = Date: 5 Dec 91 08:14:09 GMT Has anyone else heard the rumors about the Legion of Supper Heroes movie? What I heard was tentative at best, but they said that they haven't got a title other than the working title "That Silly Food Movie." Supposedly the script was written in a rare joint venture by Sam Hamm/Doug Moench/Alan Moore/ Neil Gaiman/Nigel Tufnel/James Michener (his script was considered to be too long)/William Faulkner/James Joyce/Sy Sperling/Graham Greene/Nancy Kulp/ Mr Drysdale/Sid & Marty Croft/Marshall/Will/and Holly (on a routine expedition, met the greatest earthquake ever known)/Doug & Dinsdale Piranha/Shane MacGowan/ Jackie Collins, and Joel and Ethan Coen, who are going to direct. The info is all from an unreliable source (GastroComics Weekly #1,563), who gave this cast list: Carroty Kid: Michael Keaton Dairy Queen: Sean Young (although there're rumors she's to be replaced by Kim Basinger) Lone Knife and Teaspoon: James Earl Jones and the ever-loveable MacCaulay Caulkin Borscht Boy: Yakov Smirnoff (although I hope rumors are true he's to be replaced by the HOT Mikhail Barischni-something) Groovy Gravy: Timothy Leary (a casting coup!) Supperboy: Max Baer (last seen as Jethro Bodine) Chop Siouxie: "Pat" Morita Crouton the Wonder Dog: Uma Thurman The Evil Doctor DingDong (The junk food villian [sic]): Dustin Hoffman Salad Shooter: Michael Caine (his contract stating that he has to appear in 10 movies a year helped him land the role) Luigi "Fettucini" Alfredo (an obscure, at best, mafia character): Julia Roberts (don't ask me to explain this one) That's only a partial list, of course. ( I noticed that Bagel Boy and Lox Lass were missing from the list, much to my chagrin!) Can anyone confirm these rumors and possibly list more of the roles and part of the script? As you can tell, the Supper-Heroes are very dear to me and I don't want them to become the mass-media trendy fly-by-night things that Batman and the Punisher became after their wildly successful movies. What do you think, sirs? -- Chuck PPS: And the intro is supposed to be really cool. These thugs are on top of a building, and a shadowy figure comes up from behind and grabs 'em: THUG: Wh-- What are you?!? VOICE: I'm Baitman! (Could Baitman really be in the movie? As I recall, he never was an official member of the Legion, as he never really had any supper powers except for his "utility hat" which had all those flies and lures on it, and he was always causing trouble for the supper-hero brother/sister team Fish & Chips, and was always having to throw them back) PPS: Now that I think about it, Bagel Boy and Lox Lass were pretty silly. I'd have to say Lone Knife and Teaspoon were the most creative characters in the Legion, although I can't figure out why they were only drawn in black and white. -- CRJ =================================================================== = From: v124jw4y@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Benjamin R Pierce) = Message-ID: <1991Dec5.170746.11112@acsu.buffalo.edu> = Date: 5 Dec 91 17:09:00 GMT That's not all! I heard that, having finally gotten some decent special effects for the use of mystic powers, they'll be bringing in Dr. Fat for a special guest appearance! =================================================================== = From: dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran) = Message-ID: <1991Dec5.174820.15096@hal.com> = Date: 5 Dec 91 17:48:20 GMT In article , panda@micor (Elizabeth Holden) writes: >Now I want to see a team-up of John Constantine and Lord Julius. As >long as he gets to meet the Regency Elf. That's only the first in a long line of psycho team-ups that my fevered brain dreamed up. Luba of LOVE AND ROCKETS meets Power Girl. Omaha the Cat Dancer meets the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Groo meets Lex Luthor. Mr. Butts meets Aquaman. Elrod meets Elric. Bugs Bunny meets Vegatable Boy from the Legion of Supper Heroes. Why, the possiblities are just endless. Endless. Hmm. Dream meets Mr. Caffeine? Desire meets Rorschach? Okay, I'll stop now. =================================================================== = From: ncrawler@bluemoon.rn.com (Steve Goldfein) = Message-ID: = Date: Thu, 05 Dec 91 23:55:07 EST jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu (CHARLES JORDAN) writes: >Has anyone else heard the rumors about the Legion of Supper Heroes >movie? Well, dont forget that they have Cristopher Reeves as Supper Man and of course Dolph Lungrin as The pastry and Lou Ferrigno as The incredible Brocoli and I think Spinach-Man the Non-Mutant is supposed to be in it too, any rumors who is to play him and Worm Burger? =================================================================== = From: = Message-ID: <91340.151645MSH109@psuvm.psu.edu> = Date: Friday, 6 Dec 1991 15:16:45 EST JUST RELEASEd info BY THE CEpHALODIAN ILLUMINATI: More Cast Members for the LSH Movie: (Op-title is currently "Food Fight" {does this sound familiar to any of you??? I think it was the title of an Annual...} Anywho.... Bagel Boy: the chubby guy from Head of the Class. Lox Lass: Dian Parkinson, of THE PRICE IS RIGHT. (a theatric coup!) Hibachi Boy: Christian Slater ( I've seen his screen test! It is absolutely PERFECT| He catches that "Hothead without a cause" angst just so!) Asparagus Lad: Dick Clark (he looks about the right age) Brussel Sprout: Casey Casem. I can't wait to see Asparagus Lad and Brussel's interchanges! The evil Doctor Sachr Inne: MAX VON SYDOW!!!! Woo! Woo! the mercenary mutant (BASTER) {Battle Android/Servant/Taiwanese chef Electronic Robotoid} That wacky waiter-bot gone wacko: You'll never guess....Patrick Stewart!! More as it comes in!!! =================================================================== = From: jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu (CHARLES JORDAN) = Message-ID: <1991Dec8.033426.12497@athena.cs.uga.edu> = Date: 8 Dec 91 03:34:26 GMT From the looks of things, this whole Legion of Supper Heroes thread is getting pretty frayed. There's some confusion on who was actually in the Legion, and who was in the LegionLeftovers and the Juicy Society of America (which was followed soon by the Fruit Juicy Society of America, which was a little bit TOO fruity, if you ask me.) Even I, avid LSH historian that I am, had forgotten the important part played in the history of comics by Farfle, the Legion's supper-dog companion, and can only thank Mitchell Gold for making me aware of it: > Farfle originated the "secret phrase" which in various places was > used by others, though slightly modified. Farfle's saying, which I'm > sure you're by now familiar with was: > N-E-S-T-L-E-S > Nestles makes the very best. > Cho-clate Plus other supper-groups like the Spoon Patrol, the Appetizers and West Coast Appetizers, the X-Menu and the Unsaturated X-Menu, X-Course, the Flavorful Four... is it possible to name them all? Do we WANT to name them all? I certainly don't. I do have some questions, though: Whatever really became of The Spatula? He was one of my favorite supper-villians [sic] and they said nothing of his true fate except that he was lost in the back of the huge drawer that served as the Evil Brotherhood of Utensils' hideout. And what was the last book published to have Legion characters? I think it was "Baitman: The Dock Knight Returns," but I'm not sure. (I know that The Beet appears in the new incarnation of the X-Menu, but I never really liked that character. A huge root that's really smart and uses big words all the time. Big deal.) I had heard rumors of a comedy miniseries with Vlassic-Man (the human pickle) and a Rutabaga (of Baitman and Rutabaga) solo series with 150 different covers, each with six trading cards, a hologram, an action figure, and gum, but I've never seen any of these. As for what super-gadget I'd like to have best, what about the mutant Baster's ... well, you know... baster. I used to have nightmares about that! Especially after what he did to Giblet Girl, of the Turkey Twins. (That was the only issue of LSH that had its comics code seal of approval revoked for its brutally frank rendering of Giblet Girl actually being stuffed. It was painful to read, but some great drama and innovative use of sound effects!) What do you think, sirs? PS: Re the new LSH movie and its working title "Food Fight": That wasn't the title of a story; if you'll recall it was the battle cry of the Legion, especially when practicing in their top-secret battle simulator, the Cafeteria. I've heard that the title has since been changed to the considerably less provocative "Main Course: Murder," in the style of those old Quinn-Martin TV series. =================================================================== = From: spira@panix.com (Greg "Angry Young Man" Spira) = Message-ID: <1991Dec8.220334.21994@panix.com> = Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1991 22:03:34 GMT Because I'm on Sotheby's mailing list, I recently received a little pamphlet informing me of their upcoming comics auction and related matters. I thought I should pass on the information I received. The auction itself is in New York on December 18th. Many of the materials which will be auctioned off will be exhibited, first in LA from December 6-8 and then in NYC from December 14-17. ... There are uncomfirmed reports that several valuable Suicide Squid comics will be auctioned off, by the way. =================================================================== = From: cje@heart.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt) = Message-ID: = Date: 10 Dec 91 20:47:36 GMT In article <42960@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt5878b@prism.gatech.EDU (Eddie Maise) writes: > If you think I'm making T-shirts for this one, you're nuts! Then how about one announcing the return of Suicide Squid's Golden-Age contemporary, who hasn't been seen in the comics since Those Halcyon Days. Yes, I'm referring to that Crimefighting Chanticleer, that Coq-au-Vin Vigilante, the Darkmeat Detective... B A N T A M =================================================================== = From: tyg@ENGIN.UMICH.EDU (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <55b1fb931.00129dc@blue.engin.umich.edu> = Date: 11 Dec 91 04:09:44 GMT We at TYG-MM Productions have received the orders for the remaining first run Suicide Squid shirts, and frankly we're shocked. Shocked and appalled that none of you even *tried* to bribe us to insure getting the shirt you wanted. What is this world coming to? However, we did get some interesting comments in the orders. Here are some we'd like to share with you, with names and serial numbers filed off (at no charge even!). >(I would order several, to sell at cons, but the price is too high >for us to make a profit off of it) Hmm, maybe we should reconsider not going commercial...Anyway, if there's a profit to be made, we and Ty should be making it! :-) >I WANT one. Actually, i want many, but i'll settle for one. I would >also like one each of the 'flawed' tshirts... These will be for my : >grandmother, uncle, brother, wife, and daughter. Interesting priority list...the idea of a grandmother wearing a Squid shirt is an appealing one to us. >I missed the first round of these shirts going out (and thus am >forever unable to become a rac net.god) but now that an opportunity >to become a rac net.god.wannabe (as opposed to a rac >net.god.no.hope.in.hell.and.green.with.envy).... We think we've just been condemned to whatever circle of hell was the destination of practicioners of simony. :-) >The shirts are just for me, to make all my friends and coworkers eat >their livers out of envy (or think I'm even more deranged, which is >more likely). Liver? Yuck. >I don't care what the shirts are made of, I just want one, cuz I love >the squiddie. This person will be getting our special, printed on toilet paper, version, unless they want to spring for our special inflatible model. >The shirts are for the first two lucky friends who've asked me where >I got mine that I run into after you ship them to me. For a mere five bucks, we'll tell you who this person is, and the expected date of delivery of those shirts.... >If there aren't any left, I'll just have to hide in an alley this >August and mug some hapless conventioner here in sunny San Diego. Well, it looks like Eddie and tyg won't be going to San Diego this year... so much for the plans to scalp Squid shirts to people standing in the registration line. TYG-MM Productions: The Seaweed Of Crime Bears Bitter Fruit-Of-The-Loom =================================================================== = From: hannu@kontu.cc.utu.fi (Hannu Pajunen, laskentakeskus) = Message-ID: <1991Dec11.103823.1@kontu.cc.utu.fi> = Date: 11 Dec 91 10:38:23 GMT In article <1991Dec10.015819.1@fnala.fnal.gov>, morrow@fnala.fnal.gov (Elmo) writes: > [...] in one of my annotations, I assumed tyg made a joke. I don't > know what in the world made me assume that. Could the fact that tyg has undermined his credibility with lots of Suicide Squid postings have influenced you to assume that? :) =================================================================== = From: jester@symphony.cc.purdue.edu (Jester) = Message-ID: <29085@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> = Date: 11 Dec 91 18:23:29 GMT In article <55b1fb931.00129dc@blue.engin.umich.edu> tyg@ENGIN.UMICH.EDU (Tom Galloway) writes: >>I don't care what the shirts are made of, I just want one, cuz I >>love the squiddie. > >This person will be getting our special, printed on toilet paper, >version, unless they want to spring for our special inflatible model. I would like to say that I said the above quote, and i would prefer the model printed on the pink charmin toilet paper! =================================================================== = From: IANR012@UNLVM.UNL.EDU = Message-ID: <91345.17:21:57.310220.IANR012@UNLVM.UNL.EDU> = Date: Wed, 11 Dec 91 17:21:57 CST Here's a note to Suicide Squid Lovers everywhere from John Ostrander, courtesy of Comics List Weekly (comics-l@unlvm.unl.edu). Enjoy ------------------------- Original Note ------------------------------ >Date: 10 Dec 91 07:27:17 EST >From: John Ostrander <72717.453@CompuServe.COM> >To: Bill Hayes >Subject: Re: Volume1 1 Issue 26 Part 1 To the Loyal Suicide Squidders -- Since I'm not sure how to access you guys directly, allow me to make use of this grouping to tell you that Kim and I have read ALL the postings you sent us, find them gloriously demented, and love the T-shirts. Kim has not worn hers to work as of yet; I'll remind her. I do have a question for the thread: how come you have all ignored AMANDA WALRUS? I know she is a controversial character and there are questions as to whether she is the Squid's friend or enemy; she seems to function as both. I know she is only a recent addition, not having been in either the gold or silver incarnations of the Squid, but I find her a strong and compelling character. (BTW, this is a sample of the stuff on the Squid thread. For those of you who have not indulged, I thank you for your indulgence.) -- John Ostrander =================================================================== = From: tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Dec13.083230.24562@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1991 08:32:30 GMT In the latest issue of the Elongated Man mini-series, an Italian villain called variously Il Calamari, Der Tintenfisch, and La Tinta appears. While the issue is inked by Suicide Squid t-shirt artist Ty Templeton, it is not pencilled by him. In my opinion, Ty pencils a much better Squid than the penciller here. I suppose Ty may now be grateful for the sucker inking practice from inking his Suicide Squid art now though. And to quote Dave Barry, "I'm not making this up". ".sig held hostage Day Sixteen. Anyone interested in getting a free Squid shirt? Other specialities include Lisp, AI, Databases, OOP. Email for a resume. --tyg =================================================================== = From: francis@styracosaur.cis.ohio-state.edu (RD Francis) = Message-ID: = Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1991 04:03:24 GMT In article rkelly@triton.unm.edu (Robert Kelly) writes: In article <9112122228.AA01052@lynx.frame> jrd@frame.com (James Drew) writes: >Gerg Levrault (gl1e+@andrew.cmu.edu) writes: > >>There is a sequel coming out after all, if Marc will ever get >>around to finishing it. Til then, you'll have to settle for the >>book and the t-shirt. > >And the tatoo. Don't forget the tatoo. (Has it been done yet, >Roger?) Oh, WOW!!!!! That is so cool! A tatoo of Gregory? Rog, I am impressed! Gee, I thought he was refering to the GREGORY movie, starring Herve Villachaise as Herman. Haven't you heard? Unfortunately, it's by the same guy who was trying to organize the SUICIDE SQUID movie back in the late 70's, that never got off the ground. I suspect this one won't get near the theatres, either. =================================================================== = From: tyg@ENGIN.UMICH.EDU (Thomas Young Galloway) = Message-ID: <55c1ea786.001285f@maize.engin.umich.edu> = Date: 14 Dec 91 08:11:10 GMT From the Marvel stock prospetus, courtesy of a post by Bill Turner on the Comics-L list, some top Marvel salaries. Note the last name of the Executive VP. And to quote Dave Barry, "I'm not making this up". Joseph A. Calamari, Executive VP $390,174. Terry C. Stewart, President $381,821. Stan Lee, Chairman and Publisher of Marvel Comics $375,000. Barry P. Kaplan, Executive VP, Finance and Administration $256,971. Michael Z. Hobson, Group VP, Publishing $235,301. Executive officers as a group (6 persons including those named above) $1,778,506. ".sig held hostage Day Seventeen. Interested in hiring someone who notices this sort of thing? Other specialties include AI, Databases, Lisp, C, writing, teaching, and general creativity. Email for a resume and more details. Free Squid shirt to hirer or provider of a successful lead." --tyg =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Cogsworth" Smith) = Message-ID: <1991Dec15.075808.5245@cs.umn.edu> = Date: 15 Dec 91 07:58:08 GMT Oh do we have problems. (Just a recap for those of you tuning in. PAD was sick. Someone asked how PAD was doing. PAD said he'd heard that he'd died. The loyal squidfolk presented theories on how PAD dies/was killed. Someone decide that we brown nose/worship/smooch up to/treat like choice pastrami PAD. The Church of PAD was formed. Various sects of the Church of PAD splinter from the main group. Next up? The Super Secret Sacred Infinity PAD Holy Wars with Suicide Squid leading X-Menu against The Powers of Garfield with 27 holographic covers!!!!!) Anyway, this is just to announce the forming of the Brotherhood of Comic Buyers who expect their comics on Thursday but usually get their comics on Friday because Cap City screws up and leaves their stores' shipment on the runway. We will be an order based in martyrdom with frequent trips down to the store on Thursday to plaintively asked the comic shop clerks if the shipment is in yet. This will be followed by great wailing and gnashing of teeth when told that they don't know where it is and that maybe we should go look at those nice issues of X-Force #1 which the store is trying to get rid of. After much suffering and promises of atonement and not getting any work done waiting for the shipment, Friday will be a day of rejoicing and worshiping the assorted comic book ghods. It's not easy being a brother in this order, but if you feel you qualify, send me your X-Large Suicide Squid shirt as a sign of your devotion. Since we spend all our time in the comic shop, this will a sect with a vow of poverty... =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Cogsworth" Smith) = Message-ID: <1991Dec16.042416.8939@cs.umn.edu> = Date: 16 Dec 91 04:24:16 GMT In article rkelly@triton.unm.edu (Robert Kelly) writes: [Isn't tyg in here somewhere?] >>Well, other saints were Jewish, and I don't recall that >>*willingness* to be a saint is on the checklist, but I believe that >>the candidate has to have been dead for at least 50 years before he >>gets sainted. I don't think Mr David has been *alive* that long, so >>he certainly can't have been dead that long. >> >> 'Course, packing fifty years of being dead into a few minutes >>realtime *would* be a bonafide miracle... > >Hell, this is comics, right? Let's retcon him! Hmmmm, Super Scripter Serum? Originally wrote "patriotic" comic books and bond ads in World War II? Found encased in an iceberg by Suicide Squid? It might work. =================================================================== = From: HF.SLK@forsythe.stanford.edu (Stewart Kramer) = Message-ID: <1991Dec17.020027.17625@morrow.stanford.edu> = Date: 17 Dec 91 02:00:27 GMT In article , cje@heart.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt) writes: >In article <42960@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt5878b@prism.gatech.EDU (Eddie >Maise) writes: > >> If you think I'm making T-shirts for this one, you're nuts! > >Then how about one announcing the return of Suicide Squid's >Golden-Age contemporary, who hasn't been seen in the comics since >Those Halcyon Days. > Wasn't there a recap of Those Halcion Days about how Golden-Arch stereotypes are still influencing the food-comics medium? I was reminded of it by the Time or Newsweek cover story on the current fad of blaming psychotic outbreaks on psychopharmaceuticals like Prozac, because the article I read had discussed exactly the same thing happening in WWII propaganda comics with villians like Herr Bollenkatz and his Japanese counterpart Ysidro-san. I thought the article was in the 1 April 1990 issue of CHOW!, and was part one of a series, but I don't think there's been an issue since. Email to the publisher, James Majp (jim@famished.com), keeps bouncing. Is it still being published? I thought I heard a rumor that he had been arrested for false and spurious advertising. Does anyone know anything about this? =================================================================== = From: acd@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (andrew.c.durston) = Message-ID: <1991Dec19.180139.10888@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> = Date: 19 Dec 91 18:01:39 GMT For you Suicide Squid fans, what might be his evil twin brother, Skippy, appears in this month's Esquire magazine. In their end- of-the-year section, they present a several page comic on the BCCI scandal. Smack dab in the middle is one evil squid with the unusual power to suck money ( from foreign governments and investors ) in through his head. He comes complete with super-powered buddies and such. ( I don't have the issue with me but I'm sure some Squid fan can post more complete details... ) =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Cogsworth" Smith) = Message-ID: <1991Dec20.011718.25581@cs.umn.edu> = Date: 20 Dec 91 01:17:18 GMT Waitaminutehere! Durston? And the Squid's name in the Bill and Ted book is Thurston? Just coincidence? I wonder.... =================================================================== = From: acd@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (andrew.c.durston) = Message-ID: <1991Dec20.190144.18854@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> = Date: 20 Dec 91 19:01:44 GMT One never knows do one...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHappy Holidays!! =================================================================== = From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Hermit) = Message-ID: <1992Jan5.062446.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> = Date: 5 Jan 92 12:24:46 GMT elmo (morrow@fnal.fnal.gov) is going to shut up now and let the Seventh Amendment do the talking: In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law. Further, when one's Suicide Squid t-shirt shall arrive in the mail and shall be hilariously wonderful, it shall be considered appropriate to publicly thank and congratulate Eddie, Tom and Ty on their marvelous work, not failing to note, however, that squids are supposed to have ten tentacles. =================================================================== = From: tyg@z.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Jan5.053241.17207@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 5 Jan 92 05:32:41 GMT A squid appears in a fight with an octopus in the 2 page backup in the latest Little Mermaid. I'm assuming Peter David wrote this, although he's not specifically listed in the credits as the writer (no writer credits are given for the backup, although the others are listed including the same colorist who did the main story). A squid named $quid appears in the latest Esquire in a strip as part of the Dubious Acheivement Awards. The two pager deals with the BCCI scandal. =================================================================== = From: tyg@z.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Dec29.200650.3888@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 29 Dec 91 20:06:50 GMT The problem was that the [1988 Hugo "Other Forms" category] award, by definition, was ill defined. In addition to comics and unproduced screenplays, filk songs, masquerade costumes, fannish stunts (yes, Suicide Squid would have been eligible for a Hugo in 1988), and just about anything else you could think of were eligible... =================================================================== = From: tyg@z.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1991Dec29.204014.4540@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 29 Dec 91 20:40:14 GMT In article <52127@cup.portal.com> Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes: >The entire "bunny slippers" gag was suggested by the folks on GEnie >afater I said that Bruce was familiar with the film "Real Genius." >Depicting the Hulk wearing the slippers was a sort of dare/plea >tossed at me repeatedly, so I did it. The idea of having them on >Guido at the end was mine. Hmm, does this mean that if enough people dare/plead for Bruce to wear a Suicide Squid t-shirt then he'd wear one? =================================================================== = From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew) = Message-ID: <9112270144.AA11970@lynx.frame> = Date: 27 Dec 91 01:44:51 GMT CAL (cal5913@ritvax.isc.rit.edu) writes: >In this case, the "gay" character was Lord C'thulu, a regular >supporting character in Howarth's various funnybooks. He's an >ancient Lovecraftian Elder God, a diety possessing vast cosmic powers ^^^^^ Of course! I was wondering how they were going to fit in a Matt Howarth issue of the Legion of Supper Heroes. They'll use Sausage Henry and the Bulldozers! And consider this: (Ron and Russ) Post Raisin Bran! (Sends shivers down the spine, eh?) =================================================================== = From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty) = Message-ID: <1992Jan9.232818.25995@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> = Date: 9 Jan 92 23:28:18 GMT In article <1992Jan9.213135.25305@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, tpjg9663@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Thomas P. Johnston) writes: > [Dynaman] was a parody, but who made it (Americans, Japanese)? Originally it was a straight Japanese children's show, but some American company ad-libbed it from scratch. P.S. I could mention that one of the episodes featured a giant talking squid, but I won't. =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Cogsworth" Smith) = Message-ID: <1992Jan10.000338.17863@cs.umn.edu> = Date: 10 Jan 92 00:03:38 GMT OK, I will. They had a squid. He could get big. The squashed him. It wasn't a suicide. They seemed to have a thing for talking seafood on Dynaman. Must have been a Japanese-Sushi thing. =================================================================== = From: cdr@kpc.com (Carl Rigney) = Message-ID: <1992Jan11.003546.6326@kpc.com> = Date: 11 Jan 92 00:35:46 GMT In article <1992Jan5.064422.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo the Hermit) writes: >Further, when one's Suicide Squid t-shirt shall arrive in the mail >and shall be hilariously wonderful, it shall be considered >appropriate to publicly thank and congratulate Eddie, Tom and Ty on >their marvelous work, not failing to note, however, that squids are >supposed to have ten tentacles. Its dynamic art. Put it on. *Now* count the number of arms. =================================================================== = From: tyg@z.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Jan11.051558.21436@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1992 05:15:58 GMT We here at TYG-MM Productions would like to make clear that we are not liable for the result of any attempts wearers of our quality Suicide Squid shirts make to use those two wearer-provided tentacles to add to the suicide methods portrayed on the shirts. We'd also like to note a recent squid cameo, and an upcoming appearance, which indicate that, unlike Bill Watterson, we have no compunctions whatsoever about selling out. First, in the most recent L.E.G.I.O.N. '92, we do our gratuitous crossover with Lobo as he uses the expression "Son of a squid". Next, this past week we completed negotiations (OK, actually groveling and begging and pleading :-)) with a nationally shown network television show for a Squid shirt appearance. No, I'm not making this up. More details on this shortly, as I (and members of the mailing list which discusses this show) are working on coming up with a good description of the show to post here when I make the announcement. Those of you who know what show I'm refering to, please don't spill the beans until I do so here. I'm not sure of the exact date yet, but will post it when I learn it. Probably not for a month or two, as the shirts just went out this past week. Really, I'm *not* making this up. "One could wish this title came out more regularly. But if the price of such regularity is a Lobo guest appearance, we're probably best off settling for what we've got." --Dani Zweig =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Cogsworth" Smith) = Message-ID: <1992Jan14.223027.19770@cs.umn.edu> = Date: 14 Jan 92 22:30:27 GMT In <1992Jan14.200309.18571@zip.eecs.umich.edu> tyg@z.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes: >My personal favorite for yet unsatirized possibility is one done here >years back during the r.a.c. holy wars. I forget whether this one was >from Eric Sadoyama, Kathy Li, or Moriarty, but I really liked the >idea of Roachschach. Hey, what about Suicide Roach? (Fits in well with the original Roach character.) Can you imagine Fleagle in a lobster outfit? BTW, what are these rumors I keep hearing about a Sandsquid special? (No, not the Sandman-Squiddie cross-over, although that was interesting seeing Morpheus with 10 arms...) =================================================================== = From: ddd@merlin.cvs.rochester.edu (Derryl D. DePriest) = Message-ID: <1992Jan16.224038.17403@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> = Date: 16 Jan 92 22:40:38 GMT tyg tyg@caen.engin.umich.edu writes: >In article <1992Jan16.161654.12183@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> >ddd@merlin.cvs.rochester.edu (Derryl D. DePriest) writes: >>If Timber Boy becomes a member, it will only become so to satisfy >>romantics on the DC staff and pining letter writers: they used to be >>a couple before the current LSH series. > >Timber Boy? Does he turn into a tree? Spout wooden dialogue? :-) >Seriously, you're mixing up Timber Wolf and Ultra Boy, the latter of >whom was Tinya's main squeeze. Yikes! Man did I space out on that one! Sorry sorry sorry. But I'm almost glad I made up Lumber Boy. :-) Let's see, what group did he belong to...nah, I think that thread has been beaten to death already. BTW, if anyone has a collection of Legion of Supper Heroes articles, I would be interested in getting a copy. =================================================================== = From: jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu (CHARLES JORDAN) = Message-ID: <1992Jan17.031937.26403@athena.cs.uga.edu> = Date: 17 Jan 92 03:19:37 GMT In article <1992Jan16.224038.17403@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> ddd@merlin.cvs.rochester.edu (Derryl D. DePriest) writes: >But I'm almost glad I made up Lumber Boy. :-) Let's see, what group >did he belong to...nah, I think that thread has been beaten to death >already. What? There hasn't been ENOUGH posted on the Legion of Supper Heroes! I realize what with the delays in shipping and the three-month delay so that Terri (the writer, for all you non-hip non-Legion fans) could recover from those injuries she suffered from that bikini wax incident that went horribly awry, there hasn't been much to talk about, but are we giving up on the world's most delicious supper-hero team? (Actually, Lumber Boy wasn't a member of the Legion of Supper Heroes --he and his super-powered dog, the Plank (remember all the yuks we got when Lumber Boy would complain, "Not now, I have to walk the Plank") were part of Legion of Substitute Contractors, from the alternate universe first seen in LSH issue 235 (MAY '61).) So, I know there's not much new happening with the Legion; most of the recent issues have just shown the team hanging around headquarters, waiting for the cable guy to come (Incidentally, I hear that DC (Dining Comics) is predicting the issue where the cable guy arrives is going to be a big seller, since apparently the first issue with the cable guy in that Marvel series is worth a lot). But, I'll get the ball rolling on a new discussion: Who do you think is the Third Entree that they mentioned? (I believe the entrepreneur guy who founded the Legion, B.B. Que, said on his deathbed that there was a "Third Entree," but wouldn't tell Celery who it was.) And what exactly are Appetizer Lad's powers? Would they be effective on a main course? Are the "new batch" going to be permanent members of the LSH menu? I can see a lot of problems, having the real supper-heroes and the "supper-hero by- products" existing at the same time. Also, I've heard about some upcoming Legion News: Dave Sim has announced he's going to be doing a new print, a "Celery/ Supper-Hero Jam" with Bob and Terri Meerschaum. (Jam is, of course, the old 1st-series Legion supper-hero, who, with his sidekick Bread, had the power to "bring us back to Doe.") And, there've been reports of a new disk in the Supper-Hero menu! Details after the Spoiler: Bob and Terri said they were thinking of adding a new character, Oriental Boy, (or, since they're going with real names in the new series, Egggg Fooo Yunggg). They were pretty closed-mouth about the addition, but they said his specialty in battle was "the Chinese Take-Out", and his power was to make his opponents very very hungry, but it only begins an hour after he used it. "that thread has been beaten to death." My ass! =================================================================== = From: tyg@z.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Jan17.231523.20032@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1992 23:15:23 GMT In article <1992Jan17.031937.26403@athena.cs.uga.edu> jordan@castor.cs.uga.edu (CHARLES JORDAN) writes: >Bob and Terri said they were thinking of adding a new character, >Oriental Boy, (or, since they're going with real names in the new >series, Egggg Fooo Yunggg). (I really should know better, but...) Would this be a revival of the old Wonder Woman and Metal Men villain Egg Fu? Who was actually a giant egg? No, I'm not making this up, although his last appearance was in the "characters too obscure/silly to appear in Crisis" issue of Ambush Bug =================================================================== = From: tyg@z.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Jan20.210405.6382@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 20 Jan 92 21:04:05 GMT In article <65334@ut-emx.uucp> hepfox@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dave Peyton) writes: >he was disqualified on the grounds of not being a registered UT >student. So apparently it *is* possible to have a fictional >character as SA president [at UTexas], as long as he/she/it is >enrolled. Hmm...is it to late to get Suicide Squid enrolled for the proper term? I think UT may be on the quarter system... Either that or enter him in the New Hampster primaries. Since he appeared in the Golden Age, he's over 35 [fortunately there's nothing in the Constitution which deals with retcons, Crisis induced or otherwise] and was created in the U.S.. Given that so far the candidates which look the best to me are Dave Barry and Frank Zappa, and that Jerry Boyajian is doing a Mario and refusing to run, Squiddy's looking better every day. Needless to say, with a candidate with a name like Suicide Squid, Dan Quayle will *not* be named the running mate.... =================================================================== = From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) = Message-ID: <1992Jan21.150801.24663@spool.cs.wisc.edu> = Date: 21 Jan 92 15:08:01 GMT In <26750@darkstar.ucsc.edu> elder@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Elder Dan) writes: >They had the pages for M&D #4, plus Xeroxes of a bit of M&D #5. It's >just getting weirder. But the Roach gets his next identity. SquidRoach? =================================================================== = From: "bill dehaan" = Message-ID: <1992Jan20.751.24533@dosgate> = Date: 20 Jan 92 23:56:19 EST In article <1992Jan16.224038.17403@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, Derryl D. DePriest writes: >But I'm almost glad I made up Lumber Boy. :-) Let's see, what group >did he belong to...nah, I think that thread has been beaten to death >already. And let us not forget that famous battle cry: "I am NOT a lumber! I am a tree man!" =================================================================== = From: tyg@z.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Jan26.095854.3420@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Sun, 26 Jan 1992 09:58:54 GMT ... [and I trust everyone caught the squid jelly reference in the latest LSH? Connie, you know anything about this?] ... =================================================================== = From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) = Message-ID: <1992Feb2.191942.16132@spool.cs.wisc.edu> = Date: 2 Feb 92 19:19:42 GMT In <1992Jan28.032814.25643@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> teo33398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Doctor Zero) writes: >chinm@aix.rpi.edu (Mang Shing Chin) writes: >>>Marvel 2032: (them books) > Pardon my ignorance, but what on Earth is Marvel 2032??? Well, Marvel 2032 is a highly secret project. It's a 4-issue limited series bridging the Marvel Universe with Marvel 2093, a new line of comics coming out from Marvel -- Marvel 2093 will include at least three titles, including Spiderman 2093, Dr. Doom 2093, and I think something called Rampage. (I don't have my Westfield notes here to check.) Marvel 2032 ties in to it by introducing the *next* spiderman, whose own son will be the spider-man of 2093. This spiderbaby will have some problems, including 8 appendages (4 arms, 4 legs). It will trace his life and how he learns to cope with his sad mutation during a journey to the pacific ocean where he meets an intelligent cephalopod who is also pondering the meaning of life. Having resolved his problems in the first issues, the next three are about his efforts to repel earth's greatest threat ever. It's guaranteed to be all-out Marvel action, though the villain hasn't yet been revealed. (Editor Bob Budiansky says they'd like this to be a bigger surprise than the identity of DC's Monarch (tm).) ... =================================================================== = From: albert@chain.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) = Message-ID: <9911@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> = Date: 3 Feb 1992 02:19:40 GMT Could it be? Does this mean the return of the Dark Ink Avenger? How did Marvel get it's hands on Suicide Squid? Aw man, it's back to the days of Squiddily Diddily. >Having resolved his problems in the first issues, the next three are >about his efforts to repel earth's greatest threat ever. It's >guaranteed to be all-out Marvel action, though the villain hasn't yet >been revealed. (Editor Bob Budiansky says they'd like this to be a >bigger surprise than the identity of DC's Monarch (tm).) Doctor Kalamari himself, I bet. The dead body found in "Softly Sings the Squid" (SS#231) must have been the clone Doc was working on. Even if you see the body, they still ain't dead, I always say (just ask Jean Grey). =================================================================== = From: lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba) = Message-ID: = Date: 3 Feb 92 01:31:44 GMT In one of the strips in the "$1000 Snow Dinosaurs" plotline, Jason Fox was reading an issue of "Squid Man" I had never heard of this title before--is it a genuine SS spinoff, or is that the rumored copycat title put out by Calimari press? =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Cogsworth" Smith) = Message-ID: <1992Feb3.052408.13821@cs.umn.edu> = Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1992 05:24:08 GMT No, I think the only "copycat title" was Clumsy Cuttlefish that Marvel put out at the height of Squid-Mania. This lasted only for a year and was one of the few issues where the numbers of copies sold dropped when there was an X-Men cross over. There was a Japanese cartoon series that was mistitled Squid Man when it was imported into the American market. (The hero was actually a talking octopus. Later episodes had some extra arms crudely drawn in.) Perhaps Jason was reading a comic version of this. I can still remember the Squid Man song: Squid Man, Squid Man Does whatever a squid can Catches fish, eats them fast Seafood is his repast... =================================================================== = From: tyg@z.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Feb3.063741.5921@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 3 Feb 92 06:37:41 GMT Wasn't there an SS related verse to that song? Something like... Is he dead? Listen bud, That gun ain't just firin' duds Can he swing From a noose? Take a look; Cooked his goose Hey there, there goes the Squid Man. Btw, in today's Outland, Opus is looking for squid pastrami. =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Cogsworth" Smith) = Message-ID: <1992Feb3.074714.22302@cs.umn.edu> = Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1992 07:47:14 GMT In article <1992Feb3.063741.5921@zip.eecs.umich.edu> tyg@z.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes: > Hey there, there goes the Squid Man. ^^^^^^^^^ Should be Suicide Squid I think your mixing two separate songs here. (I know, it gets confusing. This basic super hero ditty has been used more time than the evil twin plot line has been used on Star Trek.) Anyway, I believe the SS song goes: Suicide Squid, Suicide Squid Does whatever a squid ...did Catches fish. Catches crooks Sure he reads Franz Kafka books (then splice in the bit from above here) Does anyone recall the bit about "calling sharks"? I never really understand that as a kid. =================================================================== = From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Jim Cowling) = Message-ID: <1992Feb3.045600.21026@sol.UVic.CA> = Date: Mon, 3 Feb 92 04:56:00 GMT In article lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba) writes: >is that the rumored copycat title put out by Calimari press? No, it's the blatant cash-in-on-the-success from Mollusc Entertainment Group. =================================================================== = From: Norman St. John Polevaulter = Message-ID: <92034.112519MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> = Date: Monday, 3 Feb 1992 11:25:18 EST Hmm... In the latest Ninja High School, #30, the newest character--- Akaru---arrives in town on the back of (you guessed it) a GIANT SQUID. Coincidence? I think NOT. My guess is that this is Ben Dunn's commentary on Eternity's efforts to lure Tom DeFisho and Cod Liefeld away from DC's Suicide Squid comic, possibly for a new crossover (Suicide Squid: Year One?) Anything is possible, and indeed probable! =================================================================== = From: v124jw4y@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Benjamin R Pierce) = Message-ID: <1992Feb3.183026.2312@acsu.buffalo.edu> = Date: 3 Feb 92 18:32:00 GMT What I wanna know is, whatever happened to the rumored spinoff about a team of teenage lobsters with powers beyond those of normal seacreatures, gathered together to protect the oceans from those who would use their powers for evil. You know...the X-oskeletons... =================================================================== = From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy) = Message-ID: <1992Feb4.012559.2100@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> = Date: 4 Feb 92 01:25:59 GMT In a previous article, chatty@sneezy.helios.nd.edu (christopher hatty) says: >Hmm...that Who's Who thing refers to the 'prodigal,' the missing >brother of Dream, Death, etc. (in Sandman) as Destruction....I >do wonder if perhaps I have found the missing person somewhere among >the more popular of DC's titles. I have only read a single issue of >Lobo. his 'Paramilitary Christmas Special,' but he seems to fit the >bill. ... All right, all right, the absolute canonical truth is that you're half right. Back about a thousand years ago, a great schism ocurred among the Endless. I won't reveal that part, but the end result was that Destruction became insanely angry at his family. So much so that to spite them, he destoyed himself. This caused the universal destructive urge to run rampant, causing vast chaos, including various fun wars during the Dark Age. Now here's the tricky part that the rest of the Endless don't know about: Destruction has been reincarnated, in two separate halves. The first is, as you guessed, Lobo, destoyer of others. And the second . . . there's no delicate way to put this . . . is the ultimate self- destroyer, Suicide Squid. Again notice the family resemblance. Have to wonder why no one had pointed this out before. And so, Destruction will not return to his family until his two halves are united. Seeing as neither of them would approve of having the other shoved into his bodily orifices, this may take a long time (by human standards, at least). More later. p.s. ((((-;< p.p.s. I'm also surprised that no one mentioned the Suicide Squid cameo as a member of the SW6 Legion. If you look closely, he's also in an earlier issue's group shot, holding up a pair of tentacles behind teen Cosmic Boy's head. Could someone look up the issue + circumstances in which SS was made an honorary member? I think it was back in the Giffen run after the Great Darkness Saga. =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Cogsworth" Smith) = Message-ID: <1992Feb6.211704.22162@cs.umn.edu> = Date: 6 Feb 92 21:17:04 GMT In the year 2525 of the Squid is still alive if Squiddie can survive whoa whoah whoa..... =================================================================== = From: squid@carroll1.cc.edu (Craig C Schanning) = Message-ID: <2853@carroll1.cc.edu> = Date: 7 Feb 92 18:11:37 GMT Here is anonther verse of the Squid-Man song which I found in my account. I did not write it, but I know who did. Squidley-Man Squidley-Man Does whatever a Squidley can He plays Twister really fine 'Cause the geek's got no spine Look out! Here comes the Squidley-Man! =================================================================== = From: ssquid@ocf.berkeley.edu = Message-ID: = Date: 8 Feb 1992 06:28:44 GMT No, I'm sorry. This is *not* my song. My song (heard every day at the start of the "Suicide Squid Action Afternoon") is to a different tune, although one that may be familiar. It goes like this: Suicide Squid, Suicide Squid Findin' out things that they'd rather keep hid. Nobody else could ever get rid Of Suicide Squid. Is he a mollusk or a cephalopod? When he dies, will he meet God? Or will he come back as a trout or a cod? Nobody knows. Suicide Squid. -- ^ / \ / \ \| |/ / \ /Q Q\ ssquid@ocf.berkeley.edu |___| ssquid@UCBOCF.BITNET |S.S| \ / ///|\\\ "The seaweed of crime bears bitter sushi." ) ////V\\\\ ( (_ \_////| |\\\\_/ _) \__/// | | \\\__/ \___// | | \\___/ __/ | | \__ ( | | ) /| |\ /_| |_\ =================================================================== = From: tyg@z.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Feb9.224534.16301@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 9 Feb 92 22:45:34 GMT In article <1992Feb9.205619.13592@zip.eecs.umich.edu> tyg@z.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes: >In article <4020027@hpsmo100.rose.hp.com> andy@hpsmo100.rose.hp.com >(Andy Young) writes: >>What would be the approprite wine to serve with Kryptonian? >... >red wine which gives off red sun radiation is de rigeur for >pre-Crisis Kryptonian since otherwise you have an incredibly tough >piece of meat It has been pointed out to me that the same effect can be achieved via either the accompaniment of a golden K brandy or using said brandy for a flambe' dish of Kryptonian. While this is true, red sun wine is still prefered as it works for non-Dox serum treated Daxamite as well as Kryptonian. So be sure to get unadulterated Daxamite for your table. The lead method of tenderizing Daxamite is not recommended for the same reason that eating paint is not recommended. Also, if eating with a fellow r.a.c.er, do remember that it is incredibly bad etiquette not to have a freshly self-killed squid course with your meal. ... =================================================================== = From: tyg@z.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Feb11.013348.10217@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 11 Feb 92 01:33:48 GMT In article <1992Feb10.232157.28118@midway.uchicago.edu> mss2@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >rec.arts.comics.marvel >rec.arts.comics.dc >rec.arts.comics.indies >rec.arts.comics.strips >rec.arts.comics.misc ... Finally, I assume that alt.fan.suicide-squid should get folded in under this hierarchy if it comes to pass? =================================================================== = From: tyg@z.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Feb13.223320.28035@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 13 Feb 92 22:33:20 GMT ... Me, I wonder how many people are going for their $25 from Megaphone Mark on the compromising Presidential candidates bit. I'm sure I saw declared candidate Dave Barry with an exploding squid... =================================================================== = From: tothmd@ucunix.san.uc.edu (Michael David Toth) = Message-ID: <1992Feb14.050435.5429@ucunix.san.uc.edu> = Date: 14 Feb 92 05:04:35 GMT In article <1992Feb6.211704.22162@cs.umn.edu> lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Cogsworth" Smith) writes: >In the year 2525 > of the Squid is still alive > if Squiddie can survive > whoa whoah whoa..... Hey folks, I know a lot of you don't get alt.fan.suicide-squid at your sites, but SOME people do, and it could certainly use some traffic. PLEASE cross-post all future SS articles! (There are some people who have stumbled in there, wondering WHY they're there in a.f.s-s, and they're all quite clueless. Check it out!) =================================================================== = From: kc2w+@andrew.cmu.edu (Kevin J. Chen) = Message-ID: <4db3zt600WCXE7LSwF@andrew.cmu.edu> = Date: 14 Feb 92 22:17:29 GMT I think it's about time someone compiled the definitive S.S. FAQ. Any takers? Also, can anyone confirm the return of the JSA - Justice Squid Association? The last thing I heard, they were trapped in a seafood store, perpetually fighting the hordes of Jumbo Shrimp (TM) which threatened to enter the universe and destroy it. =================================================================== = From: tyg@z.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Feb18.175150.27409@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 18 Feb 92 17:51:50 GMT In article <1992Feb18.171147.25981@acsu.buffalo.edu> tung@acsu.buffalo.edu (Yuen K Tung) writes: >Is posting images scanned for no profit, nor sold for any profit >infringing any copyright laws? Yes. Because it potentially prevents the copyright holder from making a profit. Let's say you scan in the entire contents of Suicide Squid #37, which just came out today, and that you've been scanning in issues on a regular basis. It's quite possible that someone might not buy the comic since they can get your scanned images for free.... =================================================================== = From: mss2@quads.uchicago.edu (Michael S. Schiffer) = Message-ID: <1992Feb18.202423.22776@midway.uchicago.edu> = Date: 18 Feb 92 20:24:23 GMT ... And that ignores the fact that there are more technologically advanced cultures in the DC universe than the members of the Superman Emergency Squids have tentacles. ... =================================================================== = From: ukevc@mcl.ucsb.edu (Kevin Carhart) = Message-ID: = Date: 18 Feb 92 19:34:48 GMT Ah, the good old days when Deadshark and the Enchantrout and Captain Boomerockfish (?) took on the Jihalibut ... next post: Akiray and Is Alan Mooray, author of V for Vendogfish and Whalewatchmen ever going to publish Big Narwhals? =================================================================== = From: wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald) = Message-ID: = Date: Tue Feb 18 10:09:07 EST 1992 In article <1992Feb17.214557.27021@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty) writes: >Idle question: > "What reactions do you get from wearing your > Official SUICIDE SQUID T-shirt in public?" Well, when a collection of r.a.c.'ers gathered for dinner recently at Goemon, in Cambridge, our server apologized for serving us murdered squid. -David =================================================================== = From: jonesie@cbnewsm.att.com (The Bohemian Welshman) = Message-ID: <1992Feb20.041030.21098@cbnewsm.att.com> = Date: 20 Feb 92 04:10:30 GMT In article <1992Feb17.214557.27021@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Conty) writes: >- "Does it have to do with existentialism?" Oh, geez, what an opening! How could you resist a cheap, "Yes. I ink therefore I am." =================================================================== = From: sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat) = Message-ID: <1992Feb22.232450.23149@math.ucla.edu> = Date: 22 Feb 92 23:24:50 GMT I just read a novel called _The Medusa Frequency_ by Russell Hoban. It stars a former comic book writer who is trying to write a novel. He has two "muses", whose voices he hallucinates. They are: 1) the head of Orpheus and 2) a Kraken, or giant SQUID. Synchronicity? You be the judge... =================================================================== = From: kirk@hobbes.catt.ncsu.edu (Kirk Krauss) = Message-ID: <1992Feb24.192549.542@ncsu.edu> = Date: 24 Feb 92 19:25:49 GMT What ten major methods of suicide should Suicide Squid be holding in his tentacles whenever he is displayed? I propose the following: Symbol Method ------------------------------ -------------------------------- 1 A bell jarOC Decompression 2 A cast-iron safe Compression 3 A cigarette lighter Burning 4 An ice cube Freezing 5 A carving knife Mutilation 6 A bowl of dust Dehydration 7 An empty plate Starvation 8 A lightning bolt Electrocution 9 A glass of water Asphyxiation 10 A boquet of hemlocks Poisoning Tell me whatcha think about that.... =================================================================== = From: wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu = Message-ID: = Date: Tue Feb 25 08:30:25 EST 1992 Well, you're a little late, since seven methods are already displayed on the SS t-shirts: 1) A gun to the head 2) A knife at the "wrist" 3) A noose 4) Sleeping pills 5) A knife in a toaster 6) A volume of Kafka 7) A steak with a sign reading "Here Sharks!" I suppose that would work out to Shooting Slicing Hanging Poisoning Electrocution Depression Temptation or some such. -David =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Feb27.210617.2006@HQ.Ileaf.COM> = Date: 27 Feb 92 21:06:17 GMT In the (poorly edited/proofread/produced) text page in the JLI Spectacular, they list the characters who got three or fewer write-ins...and then mention that Suicide Squid got "many", presumably more than three and more than any other write-in as no others are mentioned. David Goldfarb appears to be credited with refering to Squiddy as the "Ten tentacled Avenger of the Deep" or somesuch (don't have the issue with me). Hmm, wonder if Kim Yale or John Ostrander have worn their Squid shirts into DC yet... =================================================================== = From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) = Message-ID: <0jph+lgdani@netcom.com> = Date: 28 Feb 92 22:27:35 GMT In the letter page of the Justice League Spectacular, where they list the write-in votes for the new League, we find this entry: "Many votes for one Suicide Squid, the Ten-Tentacled Avenger of the Deep, as David Goldfarb of Berkeley, CA." Go figure. =================================================================== = From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Feb29.031308.25190@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Sat, 29 Feb 1992 03:13:08 GMT Caught the Fish Police premiere tonight. If it lasts longer than six weeks I'll be surprised. Now, I didn't read that much of the comic, so is it the case that the Calamari in the show was based on one in the comic? Or are they ripping off Suicide Squid's Dr. Calamari? Not to mention the poor squid who apparently threw himself in front of a cab. Time to get out the lawyers... =================================================================== = From: = Message-ID: <92060.014904SMB147@psuvm.psu.edu> = Date: Saturday, 29 Feb 1992 01:49:04 EST In article <1992Feb28.201342.1492@cs.umn.edu>, lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Cogsworth" Smith) says: >In <1992Feb27.210617.2006@HQ.Ileaf.COM> tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas >Galloway) writes: > >Hey! I was supposed to post this! After all, I was the one who >suggested it in the first place. (gloat gloat) > >>In the (poorly edited/proofread/produced) text page in the JLI >>Spectacular, they list the characters who got three or fewer >>write-ins...and then mention that Suicide Squid got "many", >>presumably more than three and more than any other write-in as no >>others are mentioned. > >Probably just discarded a whole bunch before realizing it was a kelp >roots movement. > >>David Goldfarb appears to be credited with refering to Squiddy as >>the "Ten tentacled Avenger of the Deep" or somesuch (don't have the >>issue with me). > >Something like that. I never could figure out what was missing from >their sentence. Maybe a verb. Well, I have the issue with me, so let's all be confused together. "Many votes for one Suicide Squid, the Ten-tentacled Avenger of the Deep, as David Goldfarb of Berkeley, CA." =================================================================== = From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) = Message-ID: = Date: 29 Feb 92 10:51:38 GMT In article <0jph+lgdani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes: )In the letter page of the Justice League Spectacular, where they list )the write-in votes for the new League, we find this entry: ) ) "Many votes for one Suicide Squid, the Ten-Tentacled ) Avenger of the Deep, as David Goldfarb of Berkeley, CA." ) )Go figure. Heh. Yes, they're making a movie of my life, and Squiddy has discovered previously unknown thespian ambitions. The best way to make that sentence make sense is to insert the words "put it" just before the period. That's how I filled in the write-in blank on my ballot: "The Ten-Tentacled Avenger of the Deep -- Suicide Squid!" (And nobody else thought to put in a snappy epithet? Or was mine just the coolest? (-:) =================================================================== = From: wkaufman@us.oracle.com ("Bill Kaufman") = Message-ID: <9202291657.AA27968@oasun1.us.oracle.com> = Date: 29 Feb 92 16:57:39 GMT tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) sez: ] Now, I didn't read that much of the comic, so is it the case that ] the Calamari in the show was based on one in the comic? Or are they ] ripping off Suicide Squid's Dr. Calamari? Not to mention the poor ] squid who apparently threw himself in front of a cab. Time to get ] out the lawyers... I missed the TV show (apparently I didn't miss much), but there actually *was* a Dr. Calamari in the comic book. So, no, Hanna-Barbera isn't ripping off Suicide Squid. Steve Moncuse is. =================================================================== = From: rlb@access.digex.com (Richard L. Butler) = Message-ID: <1992Mar3.065308.16842@access.digex.com> = Date: 3 Mar 92 06:53:08 GMT WHAT is Suicide Squid? WHAT IS SUICIDE SQUID? You DARE ask... oh, you get the idea. Suicide Squid is one of those champions who fight for what's right, even when the smart money is in junk bonds. Suicide Squid is a hero for the '90s, but probably passes out when the temperature goes past 100. Suicide Squid fights evil wherever he goes, with his faithful sidekick Alonzo. In short, Suicide Squid is a superheron. Uh, superhero, that is. Superheron is something completely different. Specifically, SS (as our fingers affectionately call him after the fourth or fifth repetition of his name) is a comic-book superhero. Exactly, SS is an *imaginary* comic-book superhero. Not like the real ones. He was made up here on the net. All those terrible, sick people who read rec.arts.comics created SS wholly in order to confound and bemuse the narrow-of-bandwidth. Heaven knows, they've got me going... A typical Suicide Squid quote: "1... 2... 3... 4... 5... 6... 7... 10... 11... Ready or not, here I come!" =================================================================== = From: branwen@flipper.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams) = Message-ID: = Date: 2 Mar 92 20:51:48 GMT In article goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes: >In article <0jph+lgdani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) >writes: >)In the letter page of the Justice League Spectacular, where they >)list the write-in votes for the new League, we find this entry: >) >) "Many votes for one Suicide Squid, the Ten-Tentacled >) Avenger of the Deep, as David Goldfarb of Berkeley, CA." > > The best way to make that sentence make sense is to insert the >words "put it" just before the period. That's how I filled in the >write-in blank on my ballot: "The Ten-Tentacled Avenger of the Deep >-- Suicide Squid!" (And nobody else thought to put in a snappy >epithet? Or was mine just the coolest? (-:) I put "Suicide Squid: the seaweed of crime bears bitter fruit" so that they wouldn't think it was a typo for Suicide Squad. (Now wouldn't that be ironic?) =================================================================== = From: draphsor@deathstar.Stanford.EDU (Matt Rollefson) = Message-ID: = Date: 2 Mar 92 22:35:24 GMT writes: >"Many votes for one Suicide Squid, the Ten-tentacled Avenger of the >Deep, as David Goldfarb of Berkeley, CA." Ah, it all comes clear! Apparently they are referring to the votes for Suicide Squid, Ten-Tentacles Avenger of the Deep (and noted Master of Disguise) *in his impersonation of* David Goldfarb of Berkeley, CA! :) =================================================================== = From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Mar3.025023.18043@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1992 02:50:23 GMT In article <1992Mar2.201407.8913@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> lhb6v@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Laura Hayes Burchard) writes: >Laura, once again contemplating that the sole permanent mark she has >made in six years of netting is a list of comic book plots, and >wondering just what that says about her. Or Usenet. :) Could be worse. Some people get remembered for one little typo.... "I'm Going To Be Remembered For A Typo?! Award: Mitsuhiro Sakai" --tyg in the make up your own category section of the '92 Alternative Squiddies in recognition of the person who started it all... =================================================================== = From: ssquid@ocf.berkeley.edu (Suicide Squid !!) = Message-ID: = Date: 3 Mar 1992 06:19:28 GMT In article draphsor@deathstar.Stanford.EDU (Matt Rollefson) writes: > writes: >>"Many votes for one Suicide Squid, the Ten-tentacled Avenger of the >>Deep, as David Goldfarb of Berkeley, CA." >Ah, it all comes clear! Apparently they are referring to the votes >for Suicide Squid, Ten-Tentacles Avenger of the Deep (and noted >Master of Disguise) *in his impersonation of* David Goldfarb of >Berkeley, CA! :) I would like to thank all you beautiful people who voted for me in the write-in blank. Too bad they didn't decide to let me in the group, but them's the breaks. . . You'll just have to settle for my crossover appearance with Dolphin and the Sea Devils in _Armageddon: Inferno_ #6. SPOILER INFO: In that issue, Abraxis and Dr. Calamari make a deal! =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Mar4.150832.1438@HQ.Ileaf.COM> = Date: 4 Mar 92 15:08:32 GMT In article <1992Mar3.224209.7819@rice.edu> hyatt@owlnet.rice.edu (David Waterman Hyatt) writes: > Someone needs to teach Scott Lobdell how to spell. "Parameter > Alert! Parameter Alert!" Sure. Try Perimeter, Lob. "Phermones?" > Got mah fur-moans right here. Try pherOmones, Scott. I think we have a nomination here for a Suicide Squid writer.... "Parameter Alert! Parameter Alert! It's the evil scientist Lex Closure and he's going to pass...!" =================================================================== = From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Mar5.012231.16070@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 5 Mar 92 01:22:31 GMT In article cje@rudy.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt) writes: >James_Williams@ESS.NIAID.pc.niaid.nih.gov (James Williams) writes: >> I wanted to ask others how they manage their large collections. >>* How do other people manage their collections? > >There's a joke in here, somewhere, but I can't find it... Allow me... ... I also confess to a liking for the Suicide Squid Squeeze Play method of compacting a collection. However, while I keep my copies of various books featuring The Fly (DC, Marvel, Archie and other versions) out in a meadow, I still don't understand the in-field Fly rule. =================================================================== = From: Edward John Sabol = Message-ID: <0dhn=N600WCSBf5DYl@andrew.cmu.edu> = Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1992 03:52:41 -0500 I thought it was really cool that someone from r.a.c. voted for Suicide Squid, the Ten Tentacled Avenger of the Deep, as a member of the new JLA. It would have been neat if we as a group could have gotten like 50 votes or so for Suicide Squid. =================================================================== = From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Mar8.160855.11840@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 8 Mar 92 16:08:55 GMT Last night at the Capitol Steps concert (highly recommended by the way; if you're not familiar with them they do political humor to music by putting new lyrics to familiar tunes, such as "Talk Like A Dan" to "Walk Like A Man" about Quayle), they had a sign for the new federally approved four basic food groups. These were tofu, algae, air, and squid. As it happened, I was wearing my Suicide Squid shirt and took advantage of this to ask the writer afterwards why squid was used. He said it was because they wanted one item to have people going "euuuw, yuck" on it. Me, I think it's another sign of how we've tapped into the collective unconsciousness with Squiddy. Objcomicsref: They also have signs and lyrics picturing/mentioning Middle-Aged Mutant Ninja Turtles and Fatman; Batman in middle age. =================================================================== = From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) = Message-ID: <1992Mar13.085434.9858@tc.fluke.COM> = Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1992 08:54:34 GMT In <0jph+lgdani@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes: >"Many votes for one Suicide Squid, the Ten-Tentacled Avenger of the > Deep, as David Goldfarb of Berkeley, CA." Maybe they thought Suicide Squid was played by David Goldfarb? Or David Goldfarb was portrayed by Suicide Squid? (Sounds like a Quinn-Martin production: "Tonight's episode: Goldfarb of Terror.") =================================================================== = From: "David M. Bartlett" = Message-ID: = Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1992 09:09:58 -0500 = Subject: Black Super-Heroes I'm afraid my knowledge is limited to the Big Two, but here goes: DC: ... The woman who ran the Suicide Squad (not the Suicide Squid, though I'm told she's black, too.) =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Cogsworth" Smith) = Message-ID: <1992Mar14.005806.14864@cs.umn.edu> = Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1992 00:58:06 GMT The address (which has been posted at least once) is: Palliard/Dreamhaven 1309 4th St. SE Minneapolis, MN 55414-2029 Attn: Suicide Squid (OK, you don't need the Squiddy reference, but it would be fun if you added it) =================================================================== = From: wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald) = Message-ID: <1992Mar17.015529.3359@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> = Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1992 01:55:29 GMT In article <1992Mar16.140735.13948@access.digex.com> chevron@access.digex.com (chevron) writes: >Well, I must say, this is getting interesting . . . No simple >response for a simple question. It seems we have net dwellers out >there bound and determined to confuse me over just what the heck this >newsgroup is all about. Some say A, some say B, and it seems A /= B. > >So far, I'm going with Richard's explanation - he e-mailed me a neat >story about Suicide-Squid and his faithful companion Alonzo. . . . >AND - he is on my local network - who better to trust than one's own >close net (close-knit?) family? With whatever seriousness can be mustered under the circumstances, I'm reposting the basic truth of Suicide Squid: For information on Suicide Squid, ftp the file pub/wald/suicide-squid from theory.lcs.mit.edu, or send the line "send wald suicide-squid" to archive-server@theory.lcs.mit.edu. =================================================================== = From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew) = Message-ID: <9203182042.AA02647@lynx.frame> = Date: 18 Mar 92 20:42:55 GMT From the Stephanie Brush column in Comic Relief #33: "Yeah, but what KIND of men, Marla?" I said. "I mean, they'll be... you know... SPORTS fams." "So?" she said. "You can be a decent human being and be a sports fan." I looked at Marla reproachfully. "OK," she said. "You could be a fairly unevolved genus of squid. But that doesn't give you any reason to lock yourself in the house on Monday nights." [Of course, locking yourself in the garage, with the car engine running... Now, that's a different matter, mm-hmm?] =================================================================== = From: tyg@hq.ileaf.com (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Mar24.044231.19174@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 24 Mar 92 04:42:31 GMT Confirmed by Peter himself, he'll be the regular writer on Aquaman starting with #13 ... Now about that mail campaign for either a Suicide Squid team-up or at least for Arthur to wear a Squiddy shirt... =================================================================== = From: djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes) = Message-ID: <1992Mar24.181707.18834@pbhyc.PacBell.COM> = Date: 24 Mar 92 18:17:07 GMT Yow! -- definitely, a team-up. Get 'im in there _somehow_. Then there'll be no excuse for excluding him from the _next_ JLAEIOU poll... =================================================================== = From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) = Message-ID: <1992Mar26.014423.3819@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> = Date: Thu, 26 Mar 92 01:44:23 GMT Actually, it would be most appropriate to have some atlantean child reading an issue of "Suicide Squid" in the back of some panel. =================================================================== = From: UD137927@NDSUVM1.BITNET = Message-ID: <92086.002425UD137927@NDSUVM1.BITNET> = Date: 26 Mar 92 06:24:25 GMT For all dedicated Squid fans: The usually staid British newsmag, the Economist, had a confirmed Squid invasion in one of their more recent issues. A cartoon of an unspecified mollusk teaching class to a bunch of (surely unrepentent) human children accompanied an article that could basically be summarized with: A new form of superconducting technology is now available. Called Mr. Squid, it's available for classroom use in studying the ways ultracold superconducting materials work. The basic unit of the device is the SQUID, or Superconducting QUantum Interference Device. From as far as I could tell from the article, you basically use it to set up tests in a classroom for superconducting circuits, changing variables as you go. Unspecified Japanese buyers have already purchased serveral Mr. Squids (it's American), and coming soon, in apparently increasing sophistication, are the newer models Dr. Squid, and then Professor Squid. BTW, all you need to run a SQUID (any model) is apparently a standard power hook up and a steady supply of liquid nitrogen (which, the Economist assures us, costs the same as milk at most cities). Which leaves us Squiddies with some unanswered questions. Why has the Tentacled One gone into superconductors? An attempt to increase his zone of protection by slowly easing his way into eventual net.access? A hurried attempt to resist the age-old mind controlled teachings of the Sucker Lords by counter-example in the classrooms of the world? Some grevious accident (perhaps after that last battle vs. the Homogenous Oscillizer) requiring him to go into a deep, frozen regenerative trance to recoup his mighty powers? Or is it but a fiendish plot by Dr. Calamari to swamp the surface world with bogus copies of the Squidder to be used for his unfathomable purposes in some future time? Thrilling times indeed, ink-stained ones! "It is *not* a squid!" -- Cast A Deadly Spell (now on VCR, I notice) =================================================================== = From: tweaver@isis.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) = Message-ID: <1992Mar27.041143.20795@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> = Date: 27 Mar 92 04:11:43 GMT Ah, now. Those in the .uk who watch Red Dwarf were treated tonight to the presence of Suicide Squid in this indescribably excellent comedy. I believe the US has reached Series III at most; the Squid makes kir entrance at the end of Series V. Kir hallucinogenic venom nearly does for the entire crew - or maybe it doesn't. Reality gets a little screwed. "Aaargh. It's the Suicide Squid" -Lister, I seem to recall. =================================================================== = From: asr@castle.ed.ac.uk (Angus G. Rae) = Message-ID: <19565@castle.ed.ac.uk> = Date: 27 Mar 92 12:08:09 GMT And once again another British invasion... are we talking "world tour" here? On Red Dwarf (season 5) last night, the crew encounter a large aquatic creature which release a halluciongenic ink through the hull of ships causing the crew to commit suicide... and this is described as the "Despair Squid" and also... the "Suicide Squid"! Way true! (I give nothing away about the plot for those with spoiler aversions) I've suddenly realised... I don't know anything about the original Suicide Squid, like what the heck you guys are on about... why am I posting on the subject... I think I'll just crawl away now and hide... I don't even read comics... well, I buy the Sandman graphic novels... =================================================================== = From: lcc@win.icl.co.uk (Kerr Avon) = Message-ID: <9203271529.5037.0@win.icl.co.uk> = Date: 27 Mar 92 15:29:34 GMT Folks, believe it or not, Suicide Squid appeared in last night's episode of _Red Dwarf V_ (The sixth, final episode, titled "Back to Reality"). No, really. It was something of a cameo role, and we didn't actually get to see him (it?), but he was referred to by name at one point. We did see the "ink" he squirts, which was some kind of drug that induced a deep depression on Lister and co., until they decide to kill themselves. Just thought you might want to know... =================================================================== = From: mcollins@isis.cs.du.edu (The One and Only Killans) = Message-ID: <1992Mar28.173358.8524@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> = Date: Sat, 28 Mar 92 17:33:58 GMT >"Aaargh. It's the Suicide Squid" -Lister, I seem to recall. Actually, it was Holly who said something like 'Our friend the Suicide Squid is back', I think. Okay, so I'm being pedantic - I'm just annoyed that someone else got here first :-) =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Cogsworth" Smith) = Message-ID: <1992Mar29.224451.12893@cs.umn.edu> = Date: 29 Mar 92 22:44:51 GMT Neil Gaiman is in the Twin Cities (the minnesota variety) this week... Neil had heard of the Suicide Squid T-shirts, but had never seen one. As a collector of black T-shirts, he seemed impressed with my Dark Ink Detective black SSShirt. However, he didn't offer to trade me his Sweeney Todd shirt for it. ... =================================================================== = From: djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes) = Message-ID: <1992Mar30.232332.10778@pbhyc.PacBell.COM> = Date: 30 Mar 92 23:23:32 GMT With PAD writing undersea heroes for two different companies, How long is it going to be before we get a crossover? (Flounder vs. Ocean Master? Arthur meets Ursula? -- the mind boggles, the possibilities are endless. . .) (And there's always that squid hovering in the background. . .) =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Mar31.165102.875@HQ.Ileaf.COM> = Date: Tue, 31 Mar 92 16:51:02 GMT How about Sebastian and Vulko? Or since Arthur is currently single and has shown a liking for redheads... Waiting for the Storm, Imp, Tusky, and Suicide Squid Legion of Aqua-Pets team-up issue.... "Given a choice, most people would rather *not* be attacked by horrid undersea slime creatures." "No!" "Truth hurts." --Stig and Buer =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Apr1.202406.1871@HQ.Ileaf.COM> = Date: 1 Apr 92 20:24:06 GMT ... Anyone who's seen my drawing knows I can't draw worth a damn. About the only strip I could take over artwise would be Life In Hell (hmm, I already look like Groening...it would be a way to get Suicide Squid into the Simpsons...). ... =================================================================== = From: jerry@teetot.acusd.edu (Jerry Stratton) = Message-ID: <1992Apr2.162147.1452@teetot.acusd.edu> = Date: 2 Apr 92 16:21:47 GMT Well, jeez. Look what I found lying around in the myriad directories on this dang unix machine. The notes say something about a script by Roy Orbison? So, I now present, for you reading and groaning pleasure, "And Bob to Shore Shall Pull You Now," or "What's White and Black and Red All Over?" Script: Suicide Squid, Issue 1 Book One: Project Dark Sushi Issue One: "And Bob to Shore Shall Pull You Now" or "What's White and Black and Red All Over?" (Copyright 1992 Jerry Stratton. Uh huh.) (First Page) Prologue: The tropics. An old man in a lawn chair, an oxygen tank at his side, an oxygen mask hanging around his neck, a thick cigar in his mouth. He's reading the London Daily Furor. The headlines: War in the Gulf; Death on the Street; Sex in the Pot. There's a dolphin frolicking in the water. A voice from nowhere says: "What would you read if you could read anything?" The old man looks up from his paper, and strains to turn around. "Nurse? What was that?" The nurse doesn't respond, but the voice goes on. "The Hardy Duck is back, Captain." The Captain's face contorts in fear and confusion. "Who? The Squid?! Not... Who is..." He looks around, and his eyes fix on the dolphin in the water. "You. No, the Squid is lying at the bottom of the sea with his clam. He's forgotten everything." "They're going to bring him back, Captain." The Captain chokes, and breathes several times in the oxygen mask. The dolphin continues to frolick. "No. That idiot can't come back. This... This is your doing, Dolphin!" The Captain starts coughing. The dolphin turns as if to leave, but whips his tail so that a powerful wave knocks the oxygen tanks over. The Captain turns blue and dies. "Don't wander too far, Oh Captain" -- End Prologue -- -- Body -- -- Scene 1 -- Very deep underwater. As the camera zooms in on the sea bottom, a dark ooze slowly moves over the lens, further darkening the already dark area. The camera moves in on a funeral service. As the camera zooms in, the picture becomes clearer, but there are still oil globules hanging in the water. "The water grows colder." "I am alone." "The waters grow colder." Suicide Squid is at the funeral. The priest is a sea horse, and the altar helpers are sea-monkeys. Various other underwater creatures are in attendance. Suicide Squid is consoled by his daughter, Holly (a clam also). The priest is speaking in the background. "We fear the dance. We have no notion how delightful it will be. Where Clarice is gone, we cry, 'too far!' and turn our eyes askance. But what matters it, how far we go? There is another shore, you know. The tide drifts to and fro. The further off from Lryeh, the closer we come to Kdath. Yes. Turn not pale, beloved prale. We need not fear the dance." Meanwhile, Holly is consoling Suicide Squid (she calls him d-daddy -- stuttering). "Please, d-daddy. D-don't leave. It'll all blow over." He stares at the clam-shaped casket. "D-daddy, it'll be all right. You know she's in a better place now." He looks up, and snaps a particularly large globule away with one of his tentacles. "How could it be worse? What can they be doing? Why?" -- Scene 2 -- (This is a dream sequence; the art should make it clear that whoever this is happening to has their head in the fifties) A kitchen, circa 1950. A clam, in an apron, is making dinner. Play up the sitcom-style kitchen (toaster, oven, teapot boiling, etc.) "Honey, I'm home!" Suicide Squid yells from another room. Make it clear at this point that the kitchen is underwater. "In the kitchen, dear." Clarice moves a pot of boiling (and waving) kelp from the stove to a counter. Squid comes in and kisses her. "That's a lot of food, dear." "Your boss always likes the glazed kelp so much." "Oh, dear, I'm sorry. I forgot to tell you. They're not able to make it tonight. I'm sorry, Clarice. I should have called." She turns off the stove. Tears run up her face. "Dammit, Robert..." He holds her with two tentacles. "There, dear. It's all right." She pushes away. "No! It's not all right! All day, I... I just can't... I mean..." He starts exuding a thin ink cloud. She moves back in fear. "No... Robert..." Next panel, he is coming into the kitchen again, just moments later. "Clarice, I'm sorry, but I didn't have a chance to call you. The committe wasn't able to make it. It's been rescheduled." She looks up at him, cheerfully. "Oh, that's too bad. Well, I'm sure we can find something to do with all this kelp." "I'm glad you understand, dear. Not everyone would." "We're not everyone. We've got love." They hug. Close with a scene of passionate squid/clam lovemaking. -- Scene 3 -- (going up) It is night in the ocean. Schools of fish hang about listlessly. We see a quaint coral home. Squid wakes up and screams. "No more! I *will* stop them, bar all the kelp in Atlantis. Alonzo! Alonzo, my cape! Bring it now..." Shift to inside the home, and Squid remembers that Alonzo has been gone for 30 years. "Ah. Of course not. I told you I wouldn't forget you, dear friend. First you, now Clarice..." He stumbles out of his home, and bursts suddenly upwards, leaving a cloud of ink behind. We can vaguely see Clarice and Alonzo in the cloud's billows. -- Scene 4 -- (taking over) Aboard the destroyer Frostbite Falls, three sailors are holding a heated argument. In the background, Suicide Squid climbs over the side of the ship. "Bullshit! It was Moose and Natasha, Boris and Squirrel!" "Ridiculous! It was Moose and Squirrel. Always Moose and Squirrel." "You're both wrong. Squirrel wasn't even a girl!" "No, but Boris was a pink commie..." A tentacle grabs him and tosses him overboard. The remaining three stare in fear. Other sailors begin opening fire on the Squid, but the bullets just go through him, taking bits of rubbery flesh, but not seeming to harm him. A billowy black cloud forms beneath him, and spreads over the ship. Suddenly, the sailors see dozens, and hundreds of crabs, tiny octopi, and squids climb over the side of the ship and menace them. Panic erupts, as sailors jump overboard; one can be seen in the background going downsides; he is going to the radio room. The Squid tosses sailors left and right, mostly overboard (his left). Inside the radio room. The sailor who went downside is radioing for help. "I swear! Lord, we need help... Now! It's a squid... A squid that walks like a man!" Then, a tentacle reaches from off-panel and throws him against the wall. -- Scene 5: Information is transferred everywhere -- Inside an office in the Persian Gulf, an aging British General hears those words. He speaks into his intercom. "Martha. Radio MI-6. Priority message: Re-open Suicide Squid. Recommendation: Open files to Americans." Aboard the destroyer: The Frostbite Falls is a mess. Blood everywhere, and a rampaging squid squeaking and roaring in underwater talk. In London, an intelligence official is talking to 3 underlings. Sir: "What the hell is he talking about, Suicide Squid? I've never heard of any operation by that name. Arthur?" Arthur: "Sir, Operation Suicide Squid does exist. War era stuff, you know. Never computerized. I have the file for you here." Laurel: "Sir, the Americans are reporting something balmy in the gulf. Something about fish attacking their ships, and they've lost control of one. All bloody hell's breaking loose down there." Hardy: "Eh, it seems odd, what? Rampaging fish, and then a project called Squid surfacing." Sir: "Yes... Arthur, see what more you can uncover about this Squid thing. You two, go back to the radios. If anything else balmy happens, cue me." Aboard the Frostbite Falls, U.S. jets are strafing the destoyer. The Squid is using his pheromonal inks to control the sailors into thinking they are under attack by Nazis, and they fire back. In Washington, DC, an oriental Lieutanent is overseeing a transfer of information from London to his desk. The faxes coming in detail Operation Suicide Squid. Show pictures of a parachuting squid. "Sir, the fax from London is coming in now. Operation Suicide Squid.:" "Fine. Martha, set up a new file. Project Dark Sushi. And get me Desert Storm Control." Inside the radio room, the sailor wakes up. He tries again, frantically, to radio for help. "Help us... This is the Frostbite Falls. We're overrun... I think I hear bombs outside..." Radio: "This is command. Who is this?" "Ensign Steven Sachman, U.S.S. Frostbite Falls." Radio: "Ensign, listen very carefully. There is a squid on board your ship. You must find the squid, and repeat this question: 'Are you a hardy duck?" "Sir?..." Radio: "Ensign, this is very important. And be careful. That squid is very dangerous." Switch to topsides. Bombers have just finished another strafing run against the squid, and pieces of him are everywhere; he doesn't seem to mind, however. Ensign Sachman crawls around a corner, very cautiously, and yells. "Are you...hack....a hardy duck?" Suicide Squid straightens. One of his tentacles salutes the crawling ensign. "I am a Suicide Squid." Stick an American Flag in the background somewhere; maybe on another ship. This should look a lot like the old Superman tv show. -- End Body -- -- Epilogue -- A rap group in a dance hall in New York City. In the background, the flashing lights occasionally illuminate a large fish tank, and inside is a very intelligent looking lobster pacing to and fro. There is a plastic burger joint inside the tank. The rap group consists of four blacks and one asian. One of the members in the background starts off: "If we, yeah, shades have offended... String us up, for sushi - well- blended; For you have but stumbled here... while night fishing -- off the pier... take it, MC!" And MC continues. Each line alternates between MC and the Asian, who are the leaders of the group. Though my quacking, idle seem... Though these shoals with... horrors teem! Swimmers, you'll not drown 2-night: We shall fish you from your plight. You see, I'm a hardy Duck, and if we have a gill of luck, having scraped sea-serpents' tongues, We will make amends to lungs; and the Duck when leaving, call: And here, the original rapper finishes: Now wet dreams unto you all, today... Grab on my wings if you see how, and... Bob to shore shall pull you now. Bob to shore shall pull us all. Then, last panel, the camera focuses on the lobster (who is, of course, Alonzo Mori); one of the rappers says to the rest: "OK, set it up for Grendel Rap." -- End Epilogue -- =================================================================== = From: scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons) = Message-ID: = Date: 2 Apr 92 19:55:20 GMT Wore my SS T-Shirt to the annual gathering of the Dorsai Irregulars last weekend. Got *lots* of nice compliments; told folks to hit their comic shops and buy back issues. =================================================================== = From: sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat) = Message-ID: <1992Apr2.215939.18921@math.ucla.edu> = Date: Thu, 2 Apr 92 21:59:39 GMT All Squid fans are directed to _The Medusa Frequency_ by Russell Hoban. It contains the following quotation: I am the Kraken, ancient of the deeps, monstrous cephalopod, great head at the centre of my miles of writhing tentacles in the blackness of the ultimate deep ... Sounds like Usenet, doesn't it? The Kraken acts as a muse for the protagonist of the book (along with the Head of Orpheus). =================================================================== = From: zeeshan@occs.cs.oberlin.edu (Zeeshan Hasan) = Message-ID: = Date: 3 Apr 92 01:46:13 GMT Okay, i know this will make everyone realize what an idiot i am, but i just have to know... WHAT THE *%#&@^! IS ALL THIS SQUID STUFF ABOUT....?! a slightly exasperated farewell-- =================================================================== = From: jspencer@world.std.com (Jeffrey C Spencer) = Message-ID: = Date: 3 Apr 92 04:53:12 GMT If you've never seen the Squid, then do the following: Run, don't walk, to your nearest comic book dealer and demand your copy of the free Suicide Squid! There should still be a few left lying around, since most of the little kiddies don't go in for this kind of character. -Jeff P.S. You may be able to find him in some of the crossovers he's done in some of the mainstream books...but I can't recall any off the top of my head. It's too late at night for me to be thinking straight. =================================================================== = From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) = Message-ID: <-+kjtjf.dani@netcom.com> = Date: 2 Apr 92 17:50:18 GMT jerry@teetot.acusd.edu (Jerry Stratton): >Book One: Project Dark Sushi >Issue One: "And Bob to Shore Shall Pull You Now" > or > "What's White and Black and Red All Over?" Good stuff! But... >There is another shore, you know. The tide drifts to and fro. The >further off from Lryeh, the closer we come to Kdath. I don't know about Kdath... >Aboard the destroyer: The Frostbite Falls is a mess. Blood >everywhere, and a rampaging squid squeaking and roaring in underwater >talk. I sometimes deplore this obsession with converting relatively light-hearted Golden-Age characters into blood-spattered grim'n'gritty ones. Couldn't we at least have one of Squiddy's severed tentacles regenerate a new, young, pre-Crisis Squid? That way we could have two titles running simultaneously, "Suicide Squid" for the blood'n'gore crowd and "Squids" for those who remember the halcyon days. =================================================================== = From: mkelly@sneezy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) = Message-ID: <1992Apr3.170833.5274@news.nd.edu> = Date: 3 Apr 92 17:08:33 GMT jspencer@world.std.com (Jeffrey C Spencer) writes: |> If you've never seen the Squid, then do the following: Run, don't |> walk, to your nearest comic book dealer and demand your copy of the |> free Suicide Squid! There should still be a few left lying around, |> since most of the little kiddies don't go in for this kind of |> character. Be *very* careful, because Suicide Squid #0 is *not* free, but Suicide Squid #2 *is*. This cheap marketing ploy has already suckered more people at the comic shop I visit. |> P.S. You may be able to find him in some of the crossovers he's |> done in some of the mainstream books...but I can't recall any off |> the top of my head. It's too late at night for me to be thinking |> straight. Hmm....I think I recall Marvel taking a cheap shot at him in the Quasar/New U x-over, but that really can't count. =================================================================== = From: daikerjohnc@bvc.edu = Message-ID: <1992Apr3.184158.1180@bvc.edu> = Date: 3 Apr 92 18:41:58 CST > Be *very* careful, because Suicide Squid #0 is *not* free, but >Suicide Squid #2 *is*. This cheap marketing ploy has already suckered >more people at the comic shop I visit. Same here. I mean, some people have no scruples. > Hmm....I think I recall Marvel taking a cheap shot at him in the >Quasar/New U x-over, but that really can't count. I'm just waiting for the iminent BLOODBLOODBLOOD/Suicide Squid crossover. My spine's a tinglin' with anticipation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (P.S.- Just when IS BLOODBLOODBLOOD #3 coming out? I can't wait to see the phantasmagorically gut-wrenchingly bloody return of the cross-time, once-dead, alternate-dimension,cosmically-posessed duplicate of the team leader's third cousin twice removed on his mother's side of the family! I tell you, that title practically GLISTENS with originality!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) -JCD =================================================================== = From: rlb@access.digex.com (Richard L. Butler) = Message-ID: <1992Apr4.185614.10022@access.digex.com> = Date: 4 Apr 92 18:56:14 GMT [r.a.c. readers - Just a reminder to Suicide Squid fans - subscribe to alt.fan.suicide-squid today... a low-bandwidth AND low-s2n group] scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons) writes: [to alt.fan.suicide-squid] > >Come on, guys, this groups been here for days now. Am I the only >reader? NO, you FOOL! It's your SITE that's at fault! If you had been ABLE to read this group when it first started, you would have received ETERNAL SALVATION (or triple your money back... no, that's someone else). ... Ob Squiddism: "I have tentacles that can crush steel beer cans (which are in short supply nowadays, in no small part due to me)... "I can crowd men's minds with my black inky cloud... "I can swim around the globe unaided... but I don't have - I don't have -" "Hi, SS, want some pizza?" "..." "You OK?" "Thanks, Alonzo." "No anchovies, right?" =================================================================== = From: jcp@gauss.rutgers.edu (Jonathan Petersen) = Message-ID: = Date: 4 Apr 92 04:34:44 GMT Okay. Alright. Withall this talk about Suicide Squid's anniversary, I have an overwhelming urge to obtain a Squid T-shirt. I realize this is on the FAQ, but the monthly FAQ post has vanished off my site and I just can't wait an entire month. So, could some kind soul mail me either the FAQ detailing how to get/ask for a shirt or the information itself? Thank you. BTW, if no shirts are available, don't you think a SQUID: YEAR ONE shirt should be in the works? =================================================================== = From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Apr4.161955.19712@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 4 Apr 92 16:19:55 GMT How to ask for a Suicide Squid shirt: Begging, whimpering, sucking up, etc. are all encouraged. You'll be graded on originality and the amount of the bribe. You won't actually get one, but we'll grade you anyway. How to get a Suicide Squid shirt: I'd have to go with what one person included in their request for the last few shirts from the first run. Something like "If I don't get one, I guess I'll just have to hang out around the San Diego Convention Center during the Comics Con and mug someone who got one for it" Or if you'd prefer, send the cost of airfare from Newark to SD, and I'll be glad to send you a list of people in the Central Jersey area who ordered them. If you're one of these people, $100 keeps you off the list. >BTW, if no shirts are available, don't you think a SQUID: YEAR ONE >shirt should be in the works? Somehow, this reminds me of one of Nick Polotta's "radio plays"; the one with Carstairs, Bunny, and the baby Squid God. "Oooh, it's so cuuuute!" "goo gaa goo" "Bunny, it likes you!" Lapsing back (what d'you mean back) into seriousness, Eddie Maise and I are talking about doing another run of the Squid shirts. I'm planning on trying to call Ty Templeton this weekend to work out a per-shirt royalty with him for this and any future runs. The first run was done via a flat art fee, but we feel that given that we're already into three digits of shirts, it'd be fairer to start giving him a royalty. More details as we start gearing up. Of course, if anyone wants to try to do a Squid: Year One shirt, feel free. Just keep in mind that it's a fair amount more hassle than you'd think when you consider all the details. =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Cogsworth" Smith) = Message-ID: <1992Apr5.040052.26073@cs.umn.edu> = Date: 5 Apr 92 04:00:52 GMT Tom, did I mention that *NEIL GAIMAN* had heard about Suicide Squid and was interested in what the T-shirt looked like? I bet that he might even work a Dreamsquid into Sandman if we could come up with a black T-shirt. B{) >Of course, if anyone wants to try to do a Squid: Year One shirt, feel >free. Just keep in mind that it's a fair amount more hassle than >you'd think when you consider all the details. (Hmmmmm, I suppose I shouldn't say this as I really want more Squiddie T-shirts....) If anyone is thinking about doing another Suicide Squid: STOP. LOOK. LISTEN. THINK IT THROUGH. The original Suicide Squid shirts were perhaps the biggest bargain to come on the net in the past 5 years. Tom and Eddie did yeomutant's duty to get the shirts made and in some ways I think we took advantage of them. If you plan on making shirts, figure out how much time and effort it will take to get the shirts made and charge us for it. This includes things like processing orders, packaging and the assorted unexpected complications. I used to make about 50 Pi Iota Gamma (spell it out) T-shirts every year and that was enough trouble with everyone on campus. Dealing with people spread across a continent must be frightening. It's fun to get the final product made, but the net isn't a charity so don't donate your time. =================================================================== = From: charyma@wkuvx1.bitnet = Message-ID: <1992Apr6.131942.1230@wkuvx1.bitnet> = Date: 6 Apr 92 18:19:42 GMT Okay, Dave, back-off here's my post. Who would win in a brawl between March Hare Harvey (Jimmy Stewart's pooka) and our hero in the blue corner Suicide Squid ? =================================================================== = From: ddd@harrier.cvs.rochester.edu (Derryl D. DePriest) = Message-ID: <1992Apr6.150557.7884@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> = Date: 6 Apr 92 15:05:57 GMT Hmmm...could be a *new* reason how Peter David died: 41. Mugged for his Suicide Squid t-shirt By the way, tyg, I hope that DC doesn't get any funny ideas about creating a character called Suicide Squid because so many fans wrote in to JLA begging for SS's membership...do you have trademark or copywrite protection? (I think I recall the shirt saying "(circle-c) A TYG and R.A.C production"). =================================================================== = From: sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat) = Message-ID: <1992Apr7.015054.22280@math.ucla.edu> = Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 01:50:54 GMT According to the shirt which I am wearing right this very minute, it's "A TYG-MM r.a.c. production". There's no copyright symbol. Or ... could my source have sold me a bootleg? Naaah... (I didn't give his name to prevent his being deluged by requests. Mr. Tact, that's me) I am still impressed by the quality of this shirt, especially the dolorous expression on Squiddy's face (such as it is). A mucho mournful mollusk, methINKs. The thought of SS being appropriated by one of the Big Two gives me the cold robbies (as Albert the Alligator would say). By the way, who's MM? Eddie Maise? Mickey Mouse? Mister Miracle? Martin Mull? Mary Martin? Megaton Man? Miracleman? Meg Murray? I'm gonna go admire it in the mirror now... =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Apr7.170057.529@HQ.Ileaf.COM> = Date: Tue, 7 Apr 92 17:00:57 GMT According to today's Boston Globe, Bob Newhart will be doing a sitcom for CBS next season in which he'll portray the creator of a comic book hero called "Mad Dog". Look for a name change when Marvel's lawyers realize they have a character named Mad Dog, namely Patsy Walker's ex-husband most recently seen in SHIELD. The show is "written and directed by the off-camera line-up at Cheers", and will be titled "Bob". No word on whether the show is actually another strange dream that Chicago psychiatrist Bob Hartley is having. Hmm, if Marvel does in fact force a name change, I wonder if they'd consider using Suicide Squid...anyone got an address for the producers and/or Newhart? =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Apr8.052537.718@HQ.Ileaf.COM> = Date: 8 Apr 92 05:25:37 GMT = Subject: SQUID: 2nd t-shirt run info ...or to put it another way to my mailbox...INCOMING! I've talked with both Eddie Maise and Ty Templeton, and we're ready to start up towards doing a second run of Suicide Squid t-shirts. The same acclaimed basic design of the first run will be used. The central figure is a morose looking gray squid wearing a headband with SS in red, surrounded by fine black lines on white creating an ink cloud effect. In Squiddy's tentacles are an open bottle of sleeping pills, a noose which is around what passes for a neck on a squid, a gun pointed at his head, a knife stuck in a toaster, one tentacle slitting another one with just a hint of red blood, a book titled "Selected Moaning and Groaning" by Franz Kafka, and my personal favorite, a steak with an attached "Here Sharks" placard. Underneath is the slogan "The seaweed of crime bears bitter sushi", done in red. At the left/top is a Suicide Squid logo, also done in red. This run will have a small "Second Edition" somewhere, probably next to the "A TYG-MM r.a.c. production" line (small and unobtrusive). Art is by noted professional artist Ty Templeton, who'll be getting a per shirt royalty for this run (we paid a flat fee for the first run, but feel that giving a royalty for this and any future runs is a reasonable thing to do). Unlike last time, we're going to be a lot more hardline in terms of options. No poem on the back (if you don't know what this means, don't ask) option, and the only two shirt colors will be ice green (ala ocean) and black, which we consider the coolest looking. While this isn't as definite, with the exception of non-U.S. types, we'll likely only offer one postage option, that of priority mail. We've learned something from the first run (although clearly not enough given that we're doing it again...). Also, Eddie and I will get some amount of money out of this; not much and nowhere near as much as we'd usually charge for the amount of time/effort, but because it is a considerable effort, we've done one run strictly as non-profit, and we also feel that the people who ordered the first run deserve a bit of a price break. If you have a problem with Ty, Eddie, and myself getting some amount of money from this, don't bother flaming. Just don't order and/or do your own Squid shirt. Before I get into details, one last thing; this is *not* a hoax (or a dream, or an imaginary story). 225 shirts already exist and can be found all over the U.S., Canada, Britain, Norway, and Australia. Two shirts were filmed in at least one episode of the Fox tv series Parker Lewis Can't Lose which will likely air either this month or next. I'll post when I find out so people who haven't seen the shirts can try to get a look at them although I don't know how obvious they'll be after the episode is edited. So here's what we need now. To do some preliminary planning, I'd like anyone interested in getting a shirt(s) to email me telling me how many shirts you'd be interested in ordering. If you're a student and will be offnet during the summer, include when your last net access will be and an address of some sort which can reach you reasonably quickly during summer. In terms of price, it looks like a *maximum* for U.S. residents would be around $13 including postage, or around $10/shirt. It might be less, but not less than $8/shirt not including postage. We'll be willing to work out sending several orders to one address to minimize postage assuming the people involved all agree and can work out pick up/distribution of the order, but in general priority mail postage in the U.S. is $2.90 for up to 3, maybe 4, shirts. So if you want to get in on the second run of the Suicide Squid shirts, send email to tyg@hq.ileaf.com with how many shirts you'd be interested in ordering. If you'll be offnet during the summer, tell me that, tell me when you'll be offnet, and tell me an address which will reach you then. =================================================================== = From: ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar) = Message-ID: <1992Apr8.021544.18936@Princeton.EDU> = Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 02:15:44 GMT ddd@harrier.cvs.rochester.edu (Derryl D. DePriest) writes: >By the way, tyg, I hope that DC doesn't get any funny ideas about >creating a character called Suicide Squid because so many fans wrote >in to JLA begging for SS's membership...do you have trademark or >copywrite protection? (I think I recall the shirt saying "(circle-c) >A TYG and R.A.C production"). Reading upside down, it says "A TYG-MM r.a.c Production" :<) I would assume that Ty Templeton has copyright on the design for the shirt and of course the original artwork. Trademarks are murkier - r.a.c. is not a company/"Formal" organization (althought TYG-MM might qualify, or even Eddie) and so I don't think trademark would apply. As it stands, I don't think DC could create a character called Suicide Squid whose past history and appearance matched Squiddy's, but they probably could create a character whose name was Suicide Squid (without other obvious similarities). On the other hand, maybe we could sue them over "look and feel" :<) =================================================================== = From: wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald) = Message-ID: <1992Apr8.133725.16896@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> = Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:37:25 GMT I don't know. I can't really see myself in a courtroom discussing with a straight face the look and feel of a squid. Maybe I'm just not cut out for the bar. =================================================================== = From: wkaufman@us.oracle.com (Bill Kaufman) = Message-ID: <9204080134.AA28346@oasun1.us.oracle.com> = Date: 8 Apr 92 01:34:59 GMT In article scs@iti.org (Steve Simmons) writes: ] Wore my SS T-Shirt to the annual gathering of the Dorsai Irregulars ] last weekend. Got *lots* of nice compliments; told folks to hit ] their comic shops and buy back issues. Strange,...I wore mine to NorWesCon, an SF convention with several comics folks--Donna Barr and Steve Gallacci among them. The only person to comment was a clerk at the Woolworth's. =================================================================== = From: wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald) = Message-ID: <1992Apr8.133316.16667@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> = Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 13:33:16 GMT Maybe you weren't working the extra arms correctly. You have to hold them out front, and wave them around loosely, so they fit in. Never mind. I didn't say that. The last thing we need is a bunch of Squidfen doing the "Secret Suicide-Squid Saline Salute". Besides, I'm not sure behavior like that would stand out at an SF con anyway. -David =================================================================== = From: wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald) = Message-ID: <1992Apr8.141242.19026@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> = Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1992 14:12:42 GMT In article <1992Apr8.052537.718@HQ.Ileaf.COM> tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) writes: >The central figure is a morose looking gray squid wearing a headband >with SS in red, No, it's a cravat. Or maybe a belt... Suicide Squiddy sat on a wall. Suicide Squid, he had a great fall. All the seahorses and all the mermen Ate calimari, from sucker to pen. =================================================================== = From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Enrique Conty) = Message-ID: <1992Apr9.042656.12454@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> = Date: 9 Apr 92 04:26:56 GMT In article <1992Apr8.052537.718@HQ.Ileaf.COM>, tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) writes: > > I've talked with both Eddie Maise and Ty Templeton, and we're ready > to start up towards doing a second run of Suicide Squid t-shirts. Thomas Young Galloway is insane. I really respect that. =================================================================== = From: breitzsp@cnsvax.uwec.edu (Scotty B at UWEC) = Message-ID: <1992Apr9.105231.277@cnsvax.uwec.edu> = Date: 9 Apr 92 04:52:31 GMT I don't believe that the tratior is Gambit or Bishop but the evil doplanghger(sp?) of... you guessed it! Suicide Squid!! It would be a touching story a a brave young squid forced to go bad by the air breathing society that scorned him. I myself wait, breathlessly. =================================================================== = From: morrow@fnalf.fnal.gov (The Third Elmo) = Message-ID: <1992Apr9.175545.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> = Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1992 23:55:45 GMT I, personally, cast my vote for calling the best/worst PAD awards: THE SUCKIES Only in direct analogy to the Squiddies, of course, not the constantly reappearing conflict over obsequious behavior towards Mr. David. =================================================================== = From: sasha.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu = Message-ID: <6aDZiB3w164w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> = Date: 9 Apr 92 20:26:40 GMT ... "Though the fruits of crime bear bitter seaweed, the sea cucumbers of crime makes a killer salad." - Dr. Calamari in the DC/Marvel Crossover with Suicide Squid and Archangler in THE DEVIL, THE ANGEL, AND THE DEEP BLUE =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Apr9.221913.1535@HQ.Ileaf.COM> = Date: Thu, 9 Apr 92 22:19:13 GMT Or to put it another way..."Would you like a Squid shirt little child?" OK, this goes over the line from nuts to downright crazy, but I have gotten three requests so... I'd like to find out how much interest there is in doing kid-size Suicide Squid shirts. Let me first emphasize the problems with doing such; first, the number of different sizes might cause problems in getting volume discounts on shirts. Second, the design is a bit large for many kids' sizes; a smaller design would require a different set of screens be made. So if you're interested in kid sized Suicide Squid shirts (I always did want to be accused of corrupting minors...), send me email telling me how many and in what size(s), and the maximum amount you'd be willing to pay for such, not including postage. Don't tell me you'd pay any price; let me know how much you'd be willing to actually spend on one. If there are enough requests and the economics look like they'd work, it may be possible to do them. Fair warning though; it's almost certain that the cost of a child shirt will be higher than for an adult shirt due to loss of economies of scale. =================================================================== = From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) = Message-ID: <1992Apr10.030813.29867@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> = Date: Fri, 10 Apr 92 03:08:13 GMT wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald) writes: >I don't know. I can't really see myself in a courtroom discussing >with a straight face the look and feel of a squid. > >Maybe I'm just not cut out for the bar. If it's squid at a sushi bar, they're all cut out. Or up. Or whatever. =================================================================== = From: radkel@canctr.mc.duke.edu = Message-ID: <2329@news.duke.edu> = Date: 10 Apr 92 20:30:23 GMT Does anyone remember those super-giant sized Marvel Treasury Editions from the late 70's and early 80's? You know, the ones that measured like 11" by 17" inches? They mostly had reprints, but would occasionally have a new story, like Spider Man and the Hulk at the 1980 Winter Olympics, or a Marvel/DC crossover. Anyway, this brings to mind a Spider-Man/Suicide Squid crossover from around this time. Squiddy was between titles, I believe, and they were testing ground for more crossovers of this sort. I was pretty young, but I remember being really excited by the character. The plot went something like this: Dr. Calimari teams up with Dr. Octopus to try and destroy their enemies, and they trick Spider-Man into thinking that Squiddy's a villain! Spidey and Squiddy fight, and then they realize what's happening, and team up to fight them. The problem with this story is that Squiddy's supporting cast, usually so well-developed and a key part of his stories, was completely ignored!! Spidey did make some joke about feeling left out of the cephalopodic proceedings, saying that he thought he should change his name to Lobster-Man, which may have been an oblique reference to Alonzo. The art was by Herb Trimpe, who was actually better than you would think. He was always pretty good at monsters, robots and squid, so he made Squiddy come alive. The coloring, however, was really awful, especially with the grocery-sack-like quality of the paper. Squiddy went from being brown to green to red to purple! Unless this was the emergence of a new super- camoflauge power that was later shelved. Hard to tell. I can't remember the writer; either Len Wein or Gerry Conway. It was kind of hard to tell them apart. Despite the fact that Spidey stole most of the lines, Squiddy seemed to be a much cooler character. Does anyone know how much a subscription to the current title costs? =================================================================== = From: ssircar@canon.com (Subrata Sircar) = Message-ID: <1992Apr11.003421.21839@Princeton.EDU> = Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 00:34:21 GMT mss2@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >(If it's believed that traffic will rise as a result of a split, >that's tantamount to saying that the current setup is keeping people >out of the group.) How do you keep someone *out* of a newsgroup? There's only one way that I know, and that's to tell their sysadmin to terminate news access for that account. Anyone can read rac now. Many don't, either because of the traffic, or because they think comics are for kids, or whatever. After all, it's not like we don't tell them the secret Suicide Squid ---erp! [Transmission terminated at source. You did not read anything. Move along.] =================================================================== = From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) = Message-ID: = Date: 12 Apr 92 11:43:42 GMT I just got the new album from They Might Be Giants. It's called "Apollo 18". The cover art has (on a black background suggestive of space) a small lunar lander next to a sperm whale battling a giant squid. It's just one more indication of how Squid-consciousness is infecting every corner of the globe. (Actually, I'd be willing to bet money that they got the image from _Childhood's End_, by Arthur C. Clarke. But I digress...) =================================================================== = From: hucke@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Matt Hucke) = Message-ID: <1992Apr11.224242.27228@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> = Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 22:42:42 GMT In article <1992Apr10.030813.29867@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes: >>Maybe I'm just not cut out for the bar. > >If it's squid at a sushi bar, they're all cut out. Or up. Or >whatever. No matter how you slice it, it still tastes like a fried rubber band... =================================================================== = From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) = Message-ID: = Date: 12 Apr 1992 03:17:38 GMT In article <3785@wet.UUCP> bgo@ucsee.berkeley.edu writes: )It's almost time for WonderCon again. Remember: wear your Suicide Squid T-Shirts! I was there last year, but didn't get to meet anybody. This year things will be different. =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Apr13.230227.1514@HQ.Ileaf.COM> = Date: 13 Apr 92 23:02:27 GMT MAYNARD--It was announced today that long time r.a.c. net.personality Jerry (Jayembee) Boyajian had retired from r.a.c.. When asked about his reasons for doing so, Boyajian replied "I didn't want to have to admit this, but I have a terrible allergy to squid. It's so extreme that even the mention of the word on a computer screen will cause my typing fingers to break out in hives. I tried to deal with r.a.c. after the infestation for almost a year, but the recent announcement of a second t-shirt run pushed it over the edge." ------------------------------------------------------------ OK, so I made up the part about the squid allergy. ... =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Apr13.231251.1902@HQ.Ileaf.COM> = Date: 13 Apr 92 23:12:51 GMT The following information was obtained from the DC Editorial Presentation book for '92. ... LEGIONNAIRES is about the teen Legion..mostly. ... There'll be 20 members at the start, with Legion tryouts starting in #2. Get those votes in for "David Goldfarb as Suicide Squid, the ten-tentacled terror of the deep" now folks. ... =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Apr14.020510.2161@HQ.Ileaf.COM> = Date: 14 Apr 92 02:05:10 GMT According to the (not very well done) profile of the Parker Lewis Can't Lose Internet mailing list, the Flamingo Digest, an episode in which two extras wear Suicide Squid shirts will be aired in the U.S. on May 3rd. That's at 7:30 on a Sunday on the Fox network. The show is shown in Canada, but I'm not sure of the date, time, and network. The title of the episode is "Home Alone With Annie". According to list members who got to watch the filming (and appear as extras) in the episode, the black shirt is worn by one of Badge's (biker type) friends in a scene shot in the diner and should be pretty visible. The green one is worn by a woman, but I don't know what scenes she'll be appearing in. I should note that while the shirts were filmed, there's always a chance that the scenes they appear in might be edited out of the final version. This did happen to a scene in a previous show where a list member was an extra. Hopefully they won't, but it is possible. Besides, it's a great show and worth watching anyway. Finally, while this is the only episode that I know the shirts were filmed in, it's possible that they may appear in another episode or two before the season ends on May 17th. I probably won't be able to give advance warning for any other appearances though. =================================================================== = From: emv@msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) = Message-ID: <1992Apr15.044937.29219@msen.com> = Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1992 04:49:37 GMT Found this under a pile of used Freeps at the local coffee house - Ann Arbor is going through its coffee phase, and competition among the 11 local competing coffee places, one per block for a mile and a half, is pretty fierce. Looks like someone's testing the, er, waters for a coffee/comics crossover. Obviously a cheap imitation, cause the espresso stains smeared the ink, and we *know* that Squiddy is the best inker around. Cover shows Squiddy hurling three of those attractive heavy double cappucino glasses at a speeding passing truck from a freeway overpass, nice local touch. My copy was too blurred to read the rest -- anyone else see a less mangled version? =================================================================== = From: tneeck@math.macalstr.edu (T. M. Neeck) = Message-ID: <1992Apr14.155629.2459@mac.cc.macalstr.edu> = Date: 14 Apr 92 21:56:24 GMT NEW YORK (AP): In a shocking press conference today, Monarch and a spokesperson representing the so-called "X-Judas" announced that they had decided to work together for the common purpose of wiping out all other metahumans in both the DC and Marvel Universes. ... The Justice League, Doom Patrol, X-Men, X-Factor, X-Force, L.E.G.I.O.N., United Nations, President Bush, and Suicide Squid were unavailable for comment. Jerry Brown was ignored. =================================================================== = From: albert@bcm.tmc.edu (Rick Jones) = Message-ID: <11322@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> = Date: 17 Apr 1992 04:09:01 GMT ... X-men #176: ... Scott and Maddy's flight to Boragora is interrupted by a storm and a giant (Suicide? Nah!) squid. ... =================================================================== = From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Apr7.024819.9342@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1992 02:48:19 GMT Robert Luoma emailed me with a suggestion that it would be appropriate for r.a.c. to recognize the first anniversary of the creation of Suicide Squid, particularly as it falls on a Friday this year, with various gatherings. Thus, I suggest anyone willing to coordinate such a gathering for their geographic area post this willingness, and people in that area should email them for details. I'm willing to do the Boston area Suicide Squid Birthday Party/dinner, so those interested in attending should email me at tyg@hq.ileaf.com (ignore the address in this article as the machine has a flaky power supply and might go down at any time. Don't "r" or "R", email tyg@hq.ileaf.com). =================================================================== = From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Apr7.020147.7860@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 7 Apr 92 02:01:47 GMT In article <1992Apr6.150557.7884@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> ddd@harrier.cvs.rochester.edu (Derryl D. DePriest) writes: >In article >jcp@gauss.rutgers.edu (Jonathan Petersen) writes: As a side note, I should mention that Jonathan does quite good sucking up groveling. I got a *very* servile email msg begging for a Squid shirt from him. Too bad it didn't contain a high enough bribe... >Hmmm...could be a *new* reason how Peter David died: > 41. Mugged for his Suicide Squid t-shirt Um, actually Peter didn't order a Suicide Squid shirt. I think if he orders one of the next run, he'll be able to write it off as a business expense given his writing Aquaman. >By the way, tyg, I hope that DC doesn't get any funny ideas about >creating a character called Suicide Squid because so many fans wrote >in to JLA begging for SS's membership...do you have trademark or >copywrite protection? (I think I recall the shirt saying "(circle-c) >A TYG and R.A.C production"). I rather doubt they would. For starters, several editors at DC know exactly where those votes came from (btw, I didn't mention that my Squid shirt was quite popular at Universicon, both with fans and pros). Mike Gold said that John Ostrander has shown him the copy of the archives I gave John back in the fall. For seconds, we've got 50,000 or so odd (in some cases very odd...) witnesses to prior use that I think it'd be very hard to trademark Squiddy. And everything is copyrighted at the moment of creation under the Bern Convention. Finally, the shirt does say "A TYG-MM r.a.c. production"; don't leave Eddie (MadMan) Maise out. In side news, I spoke with Ty Templeton last night, and he's agreed to the proposed $1/shirt royalty for future runs. He was quite amused to hear about the Red Dwarf use, and mentioned that he tried to sneak in drawing a few suicide methods in the tentacles of the Calamari character he inked in the Elongated Man mini-series, but the editor caught him. Further updates on The Net.Gods Must Be Crazy II, er, the second Suicide Squid shirt run as they happen. =================================================================== = From: tyg@hq.ileaf.com (Thomas Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Apr23.182135.2291@HQ.Ileaf.COM> = Date: 23 Apr 92 18:21:35 GMT I'll be in Seattle on business from May 4th through the morning of the 16th. While I'll be busy during weekdays, I'll be free for a dinner during evenings and possibly on the weekend. Email me if you're interested, if you can provide me with any sort of temp local Internet connection for the period, or if you'd be willing to tape and show me the Parker Lewis Can't Lose episode showing on May 3rd for which people in Squid shirts were filmed as I'll be at about 25,000 feet during all three broadcasts across the continent and otherwise will have to wait until I get back to Boston to see it (whew). =================================================================== = From: klein@kira.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein) = Message-ID: <1992Apr26.011426.22791@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> = Date: 26 Apr 92 01:14:26 GMT Did YOU find the squid in GLCQ #1? Hint: It's in the G'nort story. =================================================================== = From: tyg@hq.ileaf.com (Thomas Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Apr27.045930.513@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1992 04:59:30 GMT In article <1992Apr27.042312.15316@acsu.buffalo.edu> v124jw4y@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Benjamin R Pierce) writes: [long description of proposed first issue of Excessive Force deleted, even though said description propably had more words than all the dialogue which'd appear in the first 12 issues put together]. Sorry, but that story's already been done. While we don't like to talk about it, it's worth doing to save you from a visit by r.a.c.'s copyright legal specialist (who's already helped me win one case already...). This story appeared in Suicide Squid #87, an extremely rare issue. It's rare both because it featured a team-up of the Ten Tentacled Avenger of the Deeps and the Legion of Supper-Heroes, but also because it was done by Rob Liefeld. In retrospect, it was clearly a trial run for Youngblood #1, but not knowing any better we on the editorial team just thought it was bad. What we should have done was polybagged each copy and included different varients of Squid shirts to distract people from the actual contents of the comic, but instead we used profits from the Squid shirt sales to buy up all the copies and recycle the paper. The #87 which finally made it onto the stands features work done by a hot new young artist, one Calvin who has decided to go by only one name. Clearly superior to Liefeld's recent work, his work can be viewed in many April 26th Sunday newspaper comics sections. Our only problem is that he won't do t-shirts. =================================================================== = From: tyg@hq.ileaf.com (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Apr27.050619.1105@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1992 05:06:19 GMT It's a good week for comics related tv viewing. ... And next Sunday, May 3rd, 7:30 EDT on Fox is the episode of Parker Lewis Can't Lose for which two extras wear Suicide Squid t-shirts. While it's always possible they may be edited out, they were filmed for this episode. =================================================================== = From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Apr29.041631.16503@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 29 Apr 92 04:16:31 GMT I was looking through the CBG Awards ballot, when it struck me that Suicide Squid might be eligible for the Favorite Character category. The only problem is, it's sort of iffy as to whether he actually appeared in a comic in 1991 (although it's not actually specified in the rules that that has to be the case). We have had artwork done by a professional cartoonist who was paid to do it and which people purchased. We have written stories about Squiddy which are clearly comic-like in intent. I think I'll call the Thompsons tomorrow and check if such votes would be counted. I'm posting now so that if someone might want to vote for Squiddy and was about to send in their ballot, they can hold off until I get word on whether it'd be a waste of a vote or not. =================================================================== = From: tyg@hq.ileaf.com (Thomas Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Apr29.144640.1287@HQ.Ileaf.COM> = Date: 29 Apr 92 14:46:40 GMT As I've mentioned, two Suicide Squid t-shirts were filmed for this week's episode of the tv series Parker Lewis Can't Lose (Fox, Sunday, 7:30 EDT, 6:30 CDT). Thanks to Flamingo Digest (PLCL mailing list) member Dave Arlington, who also does a cameo in this episode, here are the details for what scenes a Squid shirt is likely to appear. Note that a VCR and later freeze framing would probably be a good idea if you want a close look at a shirt; I doubt they did a close-up and lengthy hold on 'em. The ice green Squid shirt is on a young caucasian woman. She shows up in two filmed scenes. One is a large crowd shot in Parker's living room where she'll probably be hard to spot. The other is in a scene with Parker's sister, Shelly, having a sleepover. The black Squid shirt is worn by a male protege of a character named Badge. Basically, look for a biker type in a scene set in a school hallway. Badge will presumably have most of the dialogue. Now, a small problem here is that Parker will be stepping in front of the shirt wearer. When you hear Badge congratulate Park on being a "cool dude", Park will be standing right in front of the shirt and you'll have missed it. So pay attention to any scene with biker types in it. And if you want to see use of Flamingo Digest readers as extras, look for a scene in the diner with a sea of angry faces staring into the camera. Second row is Laura, Steve, and Dave from the FD. As always, there's a chance that a filmed scene may be edited out by the time the episode is aired. Still, it's a good bet that at least one Squid shirt will be visible at some point, and besides, it's a great show which I highly recommend anyway. =================================================================== = From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy) = Message-ID: <1992Apr29.202840.18485@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> = Date: 29 Apr 92 20:28:40 GMT Haven't seen this mentioned yet. We should get together + write up a short list of nominees for the CBG Awards, and encourage the whole of rac to vote for them. Yes, I'm being overly optimistic with the word "whole". My suggestions (please fill in the blanks): ... 14. Character Suicide Squid (if eligible) Most of the votes I'm suggesting were the winners of their categories in the rac Squiddies. BTW, votes are mailed to CBG Fan Awards 700 East State St. Iola Wisconsin 54900 Include your name, age, sex + address. I suppose no one could stop you if you lie about the first 3, but CBG will mail you the results issue free. =================================================================== = From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Apr30.020033.3183@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1992 02:00:33 GMT Well, I spoke to Don Thompson today. I explained how Squiddy existed on Usenet and how there'd been a t-shirt with art by Ty Templeton, and asked if Squiddy would be eligible for the favorite character category of the CBG Awards. His reply was basically, "Sure, why not, but you'd really just be wasting your vote." I replied that around 50K people read r.a.c., so Squiddy might get more than one vote. He still said it was fine. Can you imagine the reaction should Suicide Squid come in ahead of Lobo? Of the Punisher? Of Ghost Rider? Of Wolverine? Or even Batman? We could be talking a major motion picture here...or at least a lot of fun as well as making those available only to r.a.c. types Suicide Squid t-shirts an even more coveted possession as people off-net would become curious about Squiddy. Suicide Squid in '92! =================================================================== = From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew) = Message-ID: <9204281914.AA04477@lynx.frame> = Date: 28 Apr 92 19:14:27 GMT CON REPORT ---------- Con: Wonder Con 6 Place: Oakland, California Date: April 24-26, 1992 ... Net folks: Peter David and Jim Drew, obviously, and Karen Williams, Byron Go, Mark Schlatter, David Goldfarb, and Brin-Marie Landerman. Nina Paley said Jym Dyer was there, too. Only four Squid shirts (Karen didn't wear hers, for shame, for shame); there should be a better showing at San Diego. =================================================================== = From: smb147@psuvm.psu.edu = Message-ID: <92121.043053SMB147@psuvm.psu.edu> = Date: 30 Apr 92 08:30:53 GMT = Subject: Re: Rec.arts.comics.splittalk In article , goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) says: > One final note, for those who have persevered this far: if >the occasional post about a borderline supercharacter handled in an >adult fashion makes it into .misc rather than .superhero, we're not >going to die. There's quite a bit of leeway here. NO NO NO NO NO. This is why I would probably vote against the split: It wouldn't work. No matter where you looked, you would allways find: Wolvie's Claws vs. Capt Sheild Rob: why he sucks (Because it's hip to dis Rob) Squid eats net ... =================================================================== = From: dascoser.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu = Message-ID: = Date: 1 May 92 04:35:48 GMT ... Coming soon: Suicide Squid must team up with his deadliest foe to save the world. You must read the double-sized, foil-coverd story: "My Anenomie, My Ally," =================================================================== = From: wkaufman@us.oracle.com (William Kaufman) = Message-ID: <1992May1.001851.4875@oracle.us.oracle.com> = Date: 1 May 92 00:18:51 GMT Well, I went to Wondercon, and I've got to say, I was disappointed. ... (P.S.: And, to add insult to annoyance, no one commented on my snappy Suicide Squid tee-shirt. Last time, at least I got the cashier at Woolworth's.) =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Cogsworth" Smith) = Message-ID: <1992May1.192612.13218@cs.umn.edu> = Date: 1 May 92 19:26:12 GMT In article <1992May1.174641.742@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Citizen Conty) writes: >There is a new Ambush Bug series coming out this summer, with art by >Keith Giffen. More details tonight when I pull out the latest >ADVANCE COMICS. Hah! You think your measily Conty powers are any match for the power of the little squids of the poor!?!?! We already possess the holy Advance Comics! ... =================================================================== = From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) = Message-ID: = Date: 3 May 1992 23:36:07 GMT In article <1992Apr29.173710.1348@pbhyc.PacBell.COM> djdaneh@PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes) writes: )the Legion of Net.Heroes. As for me, I of course am Squid Boy. While I have no powers of my own (though I'd make a good sidekick to Spelling Boy on natural talent), I can lend my body to Suicide Squid when he needs a disguise. (It's sort of the Congorilla thing in reverse.) =================================================================== = From: sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat) = Message-ID: <1992May4.181552.16505@math.ucla.edu> = Date: 4 May 92 18:15:52 GMT In article moakler@romulus.rutgers.edu (bam!) writes: >Any chance of someome collecting all these and posting the full >membership lists? Which ones of us will make the squad and not be be >relegated to the SUBSTITUTE LEGION OF NET.HEROES? The horror! I'll be remembered only for making a little joke (calling myself Spelling Boy) which got out of hand! Just me and that guy who typed "Suicide Squid"... =================================================================== = From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) = Message-ID: <##dkxmm.dani@netcom.com> = Date: 5 May 92 18:43:04 GMT = Subject: Re: NEW TOPIC: LEGION OF NET.HEROES beykema@infonode.ingr.com (Maurice Beyke) writes: |> But, anyway, the roll call I have is: Let's see if we can work backwards from the name to the power: ... |> Squid Boy -- Like the Weirdo Legionnaire, but with more arms and fewer heads. Useful against berserk robots. ... =================================================================== = From: afarrell@maths.tcd.ie (Andrew Farrell) = Message-ID: <1992May7.100349.13579@maths.tcd.ie> = Date: 7 May 92 10:03:49 GMT = Subject: Re: LEGION OF net.heroes membership cjudd@esk (Craig Thomas Judd) writes: ... >I am gathering all the good files related to this story, and if they >fit in with the plot well, I'm appending them and reformatting it to >become a hopefully somewhat coherent story. So, post away, and we'll >see what our warped little minds can come up with! Fair enough, but always remember the lesson of Suicide Squid.....! ... =================================================================== = From: "bill dehaan" = Message-ID: <1992May8.751.33057@dosgate> = Date: 8 May 92 18:48:02 EST James Henderson writes: JH>(just wondering...) Do you Canadian guys get Marvel titles up JH>there??? Nope. We just leave our igloos long enough to waddle across the tundra to the local comic book store, which usually is just filled with Suicide Squid back issues, since Marvel and DC haven't "made it" to the point where they publish from Montreal yet (the largest comic book publishing endeavor in the world, for the irony impaired). Sheesh. =================================================================== = From: dp0q+@andrew.cmu.edu (David M. Pahnos) = Message-ID: <8e2lhQO00VpKF0rF0v@andrew.cmu.edu> = Date: 9 May 92 00:22:52 GMT Being that comics fans seem to overflow in creativity (for better or worse), with the creations of Suicide Squid and the Legion of Net Heroes as the prime examples, I think that a sub-group should be added to the overall net discussion for such things. ... now for a name: net/user/rac/parody/rac books/created/stories/fiction would someone like to add this to the news.groups discussions? =================================================================== = From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) = Message-ID: = Date: 10 May 92 04:20:22 GMT = Subject: LNH: Re: LEGION OF net.heroes - new group? In article <1992May8.195940.24191@news.nd.edu> mkelly@sleepy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes: )|> )|> Someone else suggested a separate group for this. I agree - it'd )|> make my compilation job much easier. Anyone wanna make the )|> appropriate moves to have an alt.comics.lnh group made?... ) ) Myk-El would love to form the alt group, but long-time readers )will remember that back in LNH #21 Myk-El unsuccessfully tried to )form alt.tv.quantum-leap, but found that his powers do not extend so )far. Perhaps the mighty Tyg, or whoever sent out the create message )for alt.fan.suicide-squid? ) ) Obscure Trivia Lad, do you know who sent out the create group )message? Squid Boy replies: "Who do you think sent out the newgroup message for alt.fan.suicide-squid? None other than Suicide Squid, the Ten-Tentacled Avenger of the Deep, as David Goldfarb of Berkeley, CA! He may be suicidally depressed most of the time, but humble? Not on your life." ... =================================================================== = From: cjudd@esk (Craig Thomas Judd) = Message-ID: <1992May11.101743.9902@cam.compserv.utas.edu.au> = Date: 11 May 92 10:17:43 GMT ... LEGION OF NET.HEROES PART ONE: AGAINST THE BROTHERHOOD OF EVIL.NET.VILLAINS CHAPTER II ... From the roof of the Pizza Parlour, Manga Man looked down upon the small group of Net.Heroes munching on pizza while standing around the team's 100-ton van. He took a quick count. There were 7 - Dr. Stomper, Bad-Timing Boy, Parking Karma Kid, Procrastination Boy, Sidewinder, Squid Boy and Super-Apathy Lad. ... Calling upon his powers, Squid Boy calls upon the Great Squid. He feels the Squid taking over his body just as Manga Man is distracted by the sudden and unexpected appearance of a large .sig file in the area. While Manga Man is deciding what to do, The Squid quickly entangles him using Squid Boy's body. Manga Man is rapidly pummelled into unconsciousness by the droning of Cliche Dude's phrases, while SideKick Man stands by and looks useful. ... As it happened, however, the fight was already over, as Manga Man had proven that, when distracted, he was easily caught. The fact that the Great Squid had done so being aside from the point. =================================================================== = From: fau@po.CWRU.Edu (Francis A. Uy) = Message-ID: <1992May11.115019.6129@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> = Date: 11 May 92 11:50:19 GMT There are a few votes going on that comics readers might want to participate in. For example: Comic Buyer's Guide 1991 Fannies Deadline: June 1 Address: CBG Fan Awards 700 E. State St. Iola, Wisconsin 54990 Eligibility: send in your name, age, sex + address to receive a free issue of CBG. FAU suggestions: ... Character Suicide Squid (please definitely vote for this one) ... =================================================================== = From: kreme@isis.cs.du.edu (Max Headshop) = Message-ID: <1992May12.014858.20527@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> = Date: 12 May 92 01:48:58 GMT How long has it been since the Suicide Squid line started? Suicide Squid generated about 500K of qulaity postings and probably at least two megs of people begging everyone to please stop. :-) Perhaps there should be a rac.jotd (joke of the day) included in the split? ... =================================================================== = From: wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald) = Message-ID: <1992May12.181300.12531@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> = Date: Tue, 12 May 1992 18:13:00 GMT About 13 months. I don't have date for the initial typo, but the return volley was launched on or before April 12th, 1991. -David =================================================================== = From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992May13.025547.9110@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 13 May 92 02:55:47 GMT Hope everyone caught the Squid shirt appearances on the May 3rd episode of Parker Lewis Can't Lose. In case you missed them, but taped the show, the best view of the design was in the scene where Shelly and the slumberettes come out of the cabinet. The green Squid shirt is worn by the third girl to emerge from the cabinet after Shelly and appears on screen with the design showing long enough for some good freeze frame shots. While the actress continues to wear the shirt for the rest of the episode, the design isn't anywhere near as visible. The black shirt was a bit more difficult to catch. In the scene in the diner near the end, the character wearing it is in the lower right hand corner of the screen at the start of the scene. However, he's wearing a jacket and the angle is a bit off to get a good look at the design. Thanks to PLCL Executive Producer Clyde Phillips for having the shirts on the show. In addition to the kick of having the Squid shirts appear on North America tv (and I don't count Prisoners of Gravity as NA tv; it's Canadian tv, while PLCL is seen both on US and Canadian stations [yes, I know that doesn't include Mexico]), I hope it also ended up turning on some of you to a tv show I think is one of the best on television. Thanks also to Roger Tang for the loan of his tape of the show so I could see it while I was out in Seattle since I was at 39,000 feet for all time zones' airing of the show. =================================================================== = From: jrd@lynx.frame.com (James Drew) = Message-ID: <9205141926.AA12489@lynx.frame.com> = Date: 14 May 92 19:26:16 GMT Francis Uy (fau@po.CWRU.Edu) writes >Character Suicide Squid (please definitely vote for this one) Well, *I'll* vote for that. Be sure to indicate that yes, you do mean *squid*, or they may confuse it with Suicide Squad. I recommend: "Suicide Squid, the Ten-Tentacled Avenger of the Deep" =================================================================== = From: jrd@lynx.frame.com (James Drew) = Message-ID: <9205151738.AA13208@lynx.frame.com> = Date: 15 May 92 17:38:23 GMT Jym Dyer (jym@mica.berkeley.edu) writes: >What's important is that you draw the Marvel way: anatomically >INcorrect. Anti-grav boobs coming out of the shoulders, Sounds more like a Kirby 4th-World character to me. I can just see this huge stripey machinery jutting out of the character's upper-arm, going "Ploop. Ploop. Ploop." (Wait. Didn't I see that in the preview book DC had for the upcoming miniseries, "Suicide Squid: Fly, Penguin, Fly!"?) =================================================================== = From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992May23.192553.22573@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 23 May 92 19:25:53 GMT Nope, no problem proposing r.a.c.lsh right now if you want, at least no problem with net.rules. Since rac.lsh wasn't mentioned during the recent cfd or on the current ballot it'd be considered a fresh group on the order of, oh, sci.aquaria.suicide-squid with no six month problems. =================================================================== = From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992May26.233034.21998@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 26 May 92 23:30:34 GMT A reminder that the deadline for voting in the 1991 CBG Fan Awards is next Monday, June 1st. From all appearances, sending in a reasonable facsimile of the ballot is acceptable, and the categories are produced below. Voters who aren't subscribers to CBG will get a free copy of the issue containing the results. And a final reminder that Co-Editor Don Thompson did say over the phone that Suicide Squid is eligible for the Favorite Character category. Just imagine the reaction should Squiddy place above any or all of Wolverine, Punisher, Ghost Rider, or Lobo! Vote Suicide Squid for Favorite Character! ... "Vote for me or I'll kill myself" --Suicide Squid =================================================================== = From: jrd@lynx.frame.com (James Drew) = Message-ID: <9205271804.AA00303@lynx.frame.com> = Date: 27 May 92 18:04:11 GMT Too late now, but this came across our company's general e-mail alias: >For all you squid/calamari lovers... > >If you happen to travel to the Monterey Peninsula this weekend I >recommend the annual Squid Festival at the Monterey fairgrounds this >Saturday and Sunday. It's a lot of fun and there's the best calamari >around. You can bet the shirt would have been incredibly popular in Moterrey this weekend! =================================================================== = From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay) = Message-ID: = Date: Thu, 28 May 1992 01:24:10 GMT My dad went to this festival one year and brought back a nifty postcard of a woman sunning herself on the beach wearing a bikini constructed entirely out of squids. =================================================================== = From: tyg@hq.ileaf.com (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992May28.023402.1725@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 28 May 92 02:34:02 GMT Somehow this reminds me of the scene in an early issue of Cerebus where Red Sophia is trying to seduce Cerebus. At one point, she removes her bikini top and says "Enough talk, you short grey celibate! What do you think of *these*?". To which Cerebus replies "They'd *probably* heal if you stopped wearing that chain mail bikini..." Sucker marks....euuuw [in the voice of baby Plucky Duck during the Potty Years episode of Tiny Toons]. [insert gratuitous Power Girl joke about squid bikinis here. bonus points for working in Captain Nemo and the Nautilus] =================================================================== = From: woods@colossal.eng.sun.com (Don Woods) = Message-ID: = Date: 2 Jun 92 05:26:47 GMT = Subject: Re: Phil Foglio/What's New? When the address turned up on rec.arts.comics, I sent off for two more copies, and got them, no problem! ... The original posting recommended including "Attn: Suicide Squid" in the address. It claimed it wasn't necessary, but hey, I included it anyway, and I got my copies, so it must've worked. :-) =================================================================== = From: jrd@lynx.frame.com (James Drew) = Message-ID: <9206032017.AA09354@lynx.frame.com> = Date: 3 Jun 92 20:17:33 GMT CON REPORT ---------- Con: BayCon 10 Place: San Jose, CA Date: May 22-25, 1992 ... Fans, etc.: Dani Zwieg, Monica Cellio (evidently in a Squid shirt on Saturday), Karen Williams, Erich Blumerich, Reuben Avila. And me, of course. Dani can probably indicate more. ... Next Con Report: The big one... San Diego Comic Con (#23, is it?; a new progress report just came out), in mid-August. Have you registered yet? How many Squid shirts will be attending? =================================================================== = From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Jun9.015921.27067@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1992 01:59:21 GMT Eddie Maise and I got together in Atlanta last week and hashed out final details on the second Suicide Squid shirt run. So here's the ordering information. This was sent out via email earlier today to people who had expressed an interest, however there were some bounces for people who I know are on the net such as Mike Kelly. Please let me know if you'd previously expressed interest and didn't get it. Shirts will be available in two colors, black and ice green. The design will be the same as the first run save that a discreet "Second Printing" will be added, probably under the "TYG-MM r.a.c. Production" line and the possibility that some of the cross-hatching on the steak will be removed to make the red more visible. For newcomers, the art on the shirt is by professional artist Ty Templeton and is reproduced in four colors on the shirt. A gray squid with a black lined background indicating ink is using its tentacles to hang it self, hold a gun to its head, hold an open bottle of sleeping pills, stick a knife in a toaster, slit one tentacle (with just a bit of red blood), hold a collection of Kafka Moanin' and Groanin', and hold a steak with an attached 'Here Sharks!' placard. A red SS headband and logo also are present, along with the slogan "The seaweed of crime bears bitter sushi". The shirt received nothing but praise from the people who got the 250 copies of the first run. Shirts will be 100% cotton Hanes Beefy-Ts (unless Eddie gets a much better deal on an equivalent quality shirt). Cost will be US$9.50/shirt. Postage in the U.S. will be $3.00 per 3 shirts. In other words, for 1-3 shirts, postage is $3. For 4-6 shirts, postage is $6. For 7-9 shirts, postage is $9. Etc. Postage instruction for non-US residents is at the end of the message. Please feel free to combine orders with others in the same geographic area to reduce postage if you like. Shirts will be send by Priority Mail which should arrive only a few days after being send. Currently, Eddie plans to print shirts on two weekends, the first being the weekend of June 26th. Thus, the following instructions for how to order shirts. Part one: Email me at tyg@hq.ileaf.com with the following information, *even if you have already sent it*. I'm starting up a new file for actual orders. Name: Net address: Address to send shirts to: Shirt descriptions: quantities, sizes, colors Cost of your order, including postage: Dates and names of any pending events you want to wear your Squid shirt to: (example; we'll be giving priority to the first run for people planning to attend the Chicago Comicon the next weekend) Part two: As soon as possible send me the same information and a check or money order via snailmail at: Tom Galloway P.O. Box 1433 Waltham, MA 02254 Note that we've got about 2.5 weeks before I send off a check to Eddie for the first run, so please don't delay on getting these in the mail if you can avoid it. "The seaweed of crime bears bitter Fruit-of-the-Loom" --Eddie Maise Tom Galloway and Eddie Maise, directors of Squid, Inc. tyg@hq.ileaf.com Foreign orders: Please email me your order as specified above. Once I know how many shirts and where you are, I'll check with the post office about what postage to your country would be and will email back the amount. Please also specify whether you prefer surface mail (generally a month or more to Europe) or air mail (generally a week to Europe); air mail is of course more expensive. =================================================================== = From: rlb@access.digex.com (Richard L. Butler) = Message-ID: <1992Jun12.013857.12334@access.digex.com> = Date: 12 Jun 92 01:38:57 GMT = Newsgroups: alt.fan.suicide-squid intern@ca.org (Intern) writes: [...] Well, it's not what he *wrote* that concerns us, it's that crack in header about bogus newsgroups... Hey, you, with the sweaty upper lip! alt.fan.suicide-squid is NOT a bogus newsgroup! It's an important outlet for a valid form of expression ("I don't know if it's Art, but I *like* it!). Ten points to the first person to correctly identify the source of that quote. And no, it wasn't Mr. Shark in the Suicide-Squid/South Coast Avengers Team-Up (hmm, the SCAvengers, is it?). =================================================================== = From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Jun16.040319.22600@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 16 Jun 92 04:03:19 GMT Some owners have claimed that wrapping one's valuable comics in Suicide Squid t-shirts protects them from damage (save for the odd ink stain on the cover...). Of course, these same owners also tend to howl at the moon on alternative Wednesdays and are convinced that X-Men #1 (1991) will be worth lots and lots of money within the next decade despite copies being given away with the purchase of an X-Men action figure at Kay-Bee Toys. But we've got their money for the shirts, so who are we to judge? =================================================================== = From: sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat) = Message-ID: <1992Jun22.025553.12918@math.ucla.edu> = Date: 22 Jun 92 02:55:53 GMT Well, in this week's episode of Mystery Science Theater 3000, Joel and the 'bots were discussing super-heroes they'd like to see. One of them was Calamari Man; he simply must be related to Dr. Calamari, the arch-nemesis of Suicide Squid (the ten-tentacled avenger of the deep who has his own newsgroup). (of course, I could have mis-heard it, in which cas this post will look really dumb) ... =================================================================== = From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr) = Message-ID: <1992Jun19.045436.7012@midway.uchicago.edu> = Date: 19 Jun 92 04:54:36 GMT ... In article <1992Jun18.202252.11433@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (St. Conty) writes: >Question: how many Wearers of the Squid will go to the Chicago >Comicon (apart from me, that is)? How many r.a.c.ers, period? Will >there be a @-party? Well, assuming the second printing makes it here, and I'm sure it will (Hi, Tom :^) I will. Being known as a Wearer of the Squid is one primary life-goals :^) If there ain't an @ party, I quit! I'll even keep a count, if people want to tell they'll be there. =================================================================== = From: mlk@ecn.purdue.edu (Matthew L Kimery) = Message-ID: <1992Jun20.032945.21399@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> = Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1992 03:29:45 GMT ... I will be there and so will about four other people from here. Right now they are gone fpor the summer. I think it would be cool to meet some of you people e-mail me and we can talk about it if you are interested. =================================================================== = From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr) = Message-ID: <1992Jun23.060917.9898@midway.uchicago.edu> = Date: 23 Jun 92 06:09:17 GMT Well, a few days back, somebody asked how many Wearers of the Squid there would be, and I volunteered to count, and somebody said there should be a party, and I said that should be a given... 1ST CALL FOR VOTES, @ PARTY, CHICAGO '92, NO ROOM FOR DISCUSSION Be there or be rotund!!!?! Folk I know will be there: Me :^) Matthew L. Kimery (Nightcrawler) Jerry Stratton Michael Stailey Bruce Precourt Image tomato targets Folk that *know* they *should* be there: YOUR NAME HERE! MAIL TODAY, DON'T PUT IT OFF, WEARERS OF THE SQUID UNITE!!! FIND OUT THE TRUE MEANING OF ICE BLUE!!!!! =================================================================== = From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr) = Message-ID: <1992Jun25.070341.23077@midway.uchicago.edu> = Date: 25 Jun 92 07:03:41 GMT 3rd CALL FOR VOTES: @-PARTY FOR WEARERS OF THE SQUID, CHICAGO '92 NO ROOM FOR DISCUSSION Find Out the True Meaning of Ice Green!! Be There or Be Rotund!!?! Help plot the end of the SecretSacred ImageSquad! In other words, I'm collecting, and here are the names I have so far: Glenn Carnagey (Me, Friday and/or Sunday) Enrique Conty (Saturday) Peter David Paul Estin (a perhaps) Phredd Groves (not Fri, Sat; maybe a cameo) Matthew L. Kimery (dba Nightcrawler) Bruce Precourt Michael Stailey Multiple requests for an @-party, we should probably try to schedule more than one get-together, because folk will be there on different days. Wearing of the squid is suggested, but not required, for admittance What I had planned was to wait a couple of days for stragglers and then get back to folk via e-mail for ideas, times, etc. =================================================================== = From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr) = Message-ID: <1992Jun29.052009.22949@midway.uchicago.edu> = Date: 29 Jun 92 05:20:09 GMT 4th & FINAL CALL FOR VOTES: @-PARTY FOR WEARERS OF THE SQUID, CHICAGO '92 NO ROOM FOR DISCUSSION Wearers of the Squid Unite! Be There or Be Eclipsed/Maged!!?! Front line in the SecretSacred ImageWars! OK, time to find out when to get together, where and how many times. These are the people I know of and when they will be there, if they told me: Michael Chary (Friday or Saturday) Glenn Carnagey (Me, Friday and/or Sunday) Enrique Conty (Saturday) Peter David Paul Estin (a perhaps) Phredd Groves (not Fri, Sat; maybe a cameo) Travis Jones Matthew L. Kimery (dba Nightcrawler) Micheal Marks (Sat & Sun, prefer Sat) Michael Stailey Jerry Stratton Timothy Tjarks If you ain't on here, and you should be, Shame On Ya! Unless of course I screwed up (zips up the Human Bomb outfit) So, I got 6 with no dates, 3 maybes, 2 Fridays, 3 Saturdays, 2 Sundays. You can see the problem. We may want to schedule a couple of meeting times. So... everybody who hasn't told me when they're gonna be there, let me know, and if you have ideas for what to do as well, let me know. e.g., do we want to destroy the Hotel, sample some of Chicago's most excellent blues, stare at each other in the lobby, play nude volleyball in the parking lot ... well you get the drift. And if we end up with Sat the 4th, I leave extra rotten veggies at the desk, as long you take pictures :^) Again, Wearing of the squid is suggested, but not required, for admittance =================================================================== = From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr) = Message-ID: <1992Jul2.194219.4524@midway.uchicago.edu> = Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1992 19:42:19 GMT @-PARTY FOR WEARERS OF THE SQUID, CHICAGO '92 Wearers of the Squid Unite! Do your Part in the SecretSacred ImageWars! For all those who "had a life, didn't like it" and are currently seeking legal separation: The plan is for all interested (in) parties to meet in the Hotel Lobby Bar at approx 5:30 on Friday and/or Sunday. The second printing of the Squid shirt didn't make it in time, so I'll be more than likely wearing a grey Cerebus shirt, or similar attire. I will not be carrying a giant "Squids Ho!" placard or screaming " Sucks!" at the top of my lungs. But you can should you so desire. Be There or Be Eclipsed/Magused!!?! RAC Folk you may or may not bump into: Michael Chary (Friday or Saturday) Glenn Carnagey (Me, Friday and/or Sunday) Enrique Conty (Saturday, mebbe Friday) Peter David Kevin Ellwood (all 3 days) Paul Estin (perhaps Sunday) Phredd Groves (maybe Sat or Sun) Bill Hlavacek (all 3 days) Travis Jones Matt Kimery (Nightcrawler, all 3 days) Rich Lukes Micheal Marks (Sat & Sun) Bruce Precourt (Friday) Slipstream and friend (mebbe Friday, in cognito, of course) Michael Stailey (all 3 days) Tim Tjarks (Sat or Sun) Scott Violet (perhaps) Stan Wen To any party whose info I screwed up, be it ever so royally, please to accept humble apologies profusely proffered herewith, the e-mail was a'flyin. Again, Wearing of the squid is suggested, but not required, for admittance =================================================================== = From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Jul3.010407.26784@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1992 01:04:07 GMT In article <1992Jul2.192220.197@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes: > Congratulations! You have actually managed to stump Obscure >Trivia Lad of the Legion of Net.Heroes! Who in the %#@&! is Kibo???? Sigh. Bloody SW6 batch of LN.Hes just aren't up to snuff in terms of net.knowledge of the past decade or so... Kibo isn't a Marvel character (at least I certainly hope not). He's the pseudo used by a netter, originally at RPI now at world.std.com. He's got a rep in some groups (most notably talk.bizarre I believe, although there's also an alt.group or twelve) similar to that of Suicide Squid on r.a.c. =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Not Here" Smith) = Message-ID: <1992Jul6.032918.7685@cs.umn.edu> = Date: 6 Jul 92 03:29:18 GMT In <138d8tINNqhn@agate.berkeley.edu> goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes: > In one of the _Doll's House_ issues we see a one-panel cameo >of Jed fighting alongside the Hector Hall Sandman. Jed says, "Now, >Doctor Lobster, the Sandman's whistle will put a stop to your evil >scheme." > Why is the villain in the panel called Doctor Lobster? Lobster >is a food traditionally supposed to cause indigestion and thus bring >on bad dreams. Lord Dunsany once wrote a short story describing a bad >dream entitled "Lobster Salad". As I see it, there are three possibilities: 1) The obscure literary reference given by Msr. Goldfarb. Neil loves obscure literary references and this is as obscure as they get. 2) The Mach-II Sandman really did fight Doctor Lobster. I've only seen a handful of the Orange-Yellow Sandman, but based on the villains he fought in the issues that I've seen, I cannot rule out the possibility. 3) Neil is paying homage to Suicide Squid. In a private interview, Neil indicated the deep influence that Suicide Squid has had on his writing career. ("Suicide Squid? Oh, yeah, I think I read about that" were the exact words.) So what better way to work the Dark Water Avenger into his story line than to mention one of SS's nastiest villains. I still remember reading the Squiddie vs. Doc Lobster stories when I was a kid. I especially liked the metal claws that were melded to Doc's hands. Gaimanian scholars also point out that Neil selected Thermidor (instead of the equivalents of June or August) because this is the way, after all, that Doc Lobster wound up. ... =================================================================== = From: lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba) = Message-ID: = Date: 6 Jul 92 11:26:09 GMT For those who don't read alt.tv.red-dwarf, I've finally gotten it confirmed: daniel@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Daniel Bowen) writes: >lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba) writes: >>I have heard from several sources that the final episode of the 5th >>season (the latest one in Britain) had a reference to Suicide Squid, >>a creation of rec.arts.comics. >>Can some kind soul please confirm or deny this. And, if this IS >>true, could you tell us American fans the context. Thanks. >Close.. it's the Despair Squid.. it induces despair in its victims, >and tries to get them to commit suicide by giving them >halucinations.. in the case of the Red Dwarf crew, a group >hallucination. =================================================================== = From: boyes@forty2.enet.dec.com (Mark Boyes) = Message-ID: <1992Jul6.141441.4061@rdg.dec.com> = Date: 6 Jul 92 15:05:53 GMT It is explictly referred to as the Suicide Squid in one line. The episode in question is called 'Back To Reality', in which the characters discover they are not the real crew at all, but have been playing a Virtual Reality game for for years, and have scored 4% before being killed by the squid, not realising the crashed spaceship on which they encountered the squid, Esperanto ('Hope') had laser cannons capable of destroying it ('Hope defeats despair', the VR technician explains the clue they missed). From then on it gets complicated. ... =================================================================== = From: mcfar@color3.UUCP (Lincoln McFarland) = Message-ID: <19681@leadsv.UUCP> = Date: 6 Jul 92 06:07:16 GMT Have mercy on the ignorant, but what is Suicide Squid. Obvoiously a comic of some kind. But I haven't noticed it in my local comic shops (Comics and Comix in Palo Alto, reasonable large). What section should I look in? Also, one of the Red Dwarf plot summaries of the fifth season from England mentions a squid attacking the crew with an ink that makes the victom want to commit suicide. Suicide Squid? Are Grant and Naylor fans? There was a Red Dwarf tee shirt on Captian Britan in the latest Excalibur, perhaps I should cross post this to the Red Dwarf news group. Thanks =================================================================== = From: mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) = Message-ID: <1992Jul7.150601.28965@news.nd.edu> = Date: 7 Jul 92 15:06:01 GMT Hmmm....you might be able to find one of the trade packerbacks, "The Cabinet of Doctor Calimari" in the TPB section. Also check the FAQ for information about an FTP site with more info. =================================================================== = From: wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald) = Message-ID: <1992Jul7.155508.16162@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> = Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1992 15:55:08 GMT Since the "Welcome to R.A.C." postings have been delayed by the split, here's the basic information: A Suicide Squid archive, explaining the phenomenon as completely as possible, is available for retrieval from theory.lcs.mit.edu as follows: BY FTP: as pub/wald/suicide-squid on theory.lcs.mit.edu [18.52.0.92]. BY EMAIL: send mail containing the line "send wald suicide-squid" to archive-server@theory.lcs.mit.edu. Be warned, the file is fairly long. However, the first few lines should give you an idea of what's going on. >Also, one of the Red Dwarf plot summaries of the fifth season from >England mentions a squid attacking the crew with an ink that makes >the victom want to commit suicide. Suicide Squid? Are Grant and >Naylor fans? The name was mentioned. =================================================================== = From: sherman@wilshire.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat) = Message-ID: <1992Jul7.095328.18870@math.ucla.edu> = Date: 7 Jul 92 09:53:28 GMT In article kibo@world.std.com writes: > What would be the appropriate newsgroup to discuss a friend >who got a back and chest rash from eating bad squid? Where else, you bozo? Considering the recent a.r.k/r.a.c contact, I'd say this is obvious. =================================================================== = From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Jul12.234044.15704@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 12 Jul 92 23:40:44 GMT In article <1992Jun25.171137.22973@news.nd.edu> mkelly@dumpster.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes: > tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes: >>If a poster has the same name as a comics writer, then they are that >>writer. >>If a poster has the same name as a comics artist, then they are not >>that artist ... Of course, now that some of Peter's "art" has been published in CBG, we may have to modify that subclause...[wonder how Peter'd draw Squiddy?] =================================================================== = From: sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat) = Message-ID: <1992Jul13.183825.12792@math.ucla.edu> = Date: Mon, 13 Jul 92 18:38:25 GMT The following is from alt.tv.mst3k, and is an interview with two of the writers behind the Comedy Central show "Mystery Science Theater 3000." In article masticol@cadenza.rutgers.edu (Steve Masticola) writes: > > INTERVIEW > > Joel Hodgson and Mike Nelson > by Lee Anne Hansen > >Broadcast on the Sunday Weekend Edition radio show on National Public >Radio, on July 12, 1992. NOTE: All errors of spelling, punctuation, >and fact are intentional. -SPM. > >LH: The monsters in this Saturday's feature show are leeches from the >1950s film, "Attack of the Giant Leeches," which actually look more >like big squid. > >(CUT TO: Attack of the Giant Leeches.) > >JH: Looks like the cave of Dr. Calimari. > >(CUT TO: Interview.) Okay, Joel, we know you're out there! Squids I can handle, but naming Dr. Calimari was too obvious! I expect a post very soon from joel@netbot.sol.gizmonic.com. =================================================================== = From: hannu@polaris.utu.fi (Hannu Pajunen) = Message-ID: <1992Jul15.172918.27812@polaris.utu.fi> = Date: Wed, 15 Jul 92 17:29:18 GMT In article <13v4jlINNc6@hal.com> dougm@hal.com (Doug Moran) writes: >In article <1992Jul14.171153.22461@polaris.utu.fi>, hannu@polaris >(Hannu Pajunen) writes: >> >>And, surely, there will be bagged posts which cannot be read without >>deceasing their value. > >This is surely one of the funniest -- and most appropriate -- typos >that I have seen in a long time. Great. Will I get a permanent place in the RAC typo history like the 'Suicide Squid Lad' got? =================================================================== = From: sta2534@ritvax.isc.rit.edu = Message-ID: <1992Jul18.155729.3997@ultb.isc.rit.edu> = Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1992 15:57:29 GMT Just what the hell is Suicide Squid? =================================================================== = From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) = Message-ID: <14audnINNd91@agate.berkeley.edu> = Date: 19 Jul 92 05:26:15 GMT In article <1992Jul19.015411.24935@spool.cs.wisc.edu> lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) writes: )In <1992Jul18.155729.3997@ultb.isc.rit.edu> )sta2534@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes: ) )>Just what the hell is Suicide Squid? ) )You mean it's no longer clear that he's a squid?! )When did this issue come out? I must have missed it. It hasn't come out yet; perhaps the original poster got to see an advance proof copy or something. According to _Comic Buyer's Guide_, there are big changes in store for SS. Apparently in this issue the dimensional rift that he managed to close will cause him to merge with his dimensional counterparts, Seppuku Squid and Martyr Mollusk, last seen in issue #47. The resulting trauma will leave the three of them comatose inside a strange cocoon-like object. Squiddy's role as a champion of Chaos will be taken over by a mysterious cyborg from the future with six mechanical tentacles, a glowing eyeball, and big guns. It's implied, but not actually stated, that this cyborg is really a grown-up version of Squiddy's illegitimate son who, you will recall, was kidnapped by time travelers a few issues ago. The article said that the cyborg will gather a team together composed of future mutants who look like fish; the team will be called either "Team Trout" or "X-Fins" -- I'm not sure which. I'm a bit dubious about the whole thing. It sounds like they're taking a good book and turning it into just another slugfest. Ever since Alonzo Mori choked to death in that sushi restaurant _Suicide Squid_ has just been going downhill -- this new guy, Marv Liefeld, can't write worth beans. I'm seriously thinking about dropping it. =================================================================== = From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) = Message-ID: <1992Jul19.161731.13161@spool.cs.wisc.edu> = Date: 19 Jul 92 16:17:31 GMT This was a shock to me: >In article <1992Jul19.015411.24935@spool.cs.wisc.edu> >lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) writes: >)You mean it's no longer clear that he's a squid?! >)When did this issue come out? I must have missed it. But now, that multiple-storyline-one-cover promotion from last year seems to have caught up with the squidders, as the storylines were too different to end in a single issue. So now, in one storyline, we have (reported by David Goldfarb): >According to _Comic Buyer's Guide_, there are big changes in store >for SS. Apparently in this issue the dimensional rift that he managed >to close will cause him to merge with his dimensional counterparts, >Seppuku Squid and Martyr Mollusk, last seen in issue #47. ... On the other hand, Tom Galloway reports >Gary, you mean no one told you? In the latest issue, the first since >Mori left the book to go to Peter David's new line Substance Comics, >Squiddy encounters teal radioactive kelp and is changed into a Slug >of Doom. Given his inability to add 6 numbers of 10 or less and get >the right answer, it seems obvious to me that he's turned into a >Theory Slug of Doom. The only thing that seems clear is big changes are in the works for our favorite squid. How will these storylines be reconciled? Here's my best guess: The Slug of Doom storyline is actually a nightmare SS has while he's in the cocoon, the Slug form representing his captivity in the cocoon. This storyline will be used to examine the dark side of being Suicide Squid. Eventually, he'll burst free of the cocoon and return to his role as Avenger of the Depths. Now, David says >I'm a bit dubious about the whole thing. It sounds like they're >taking a good book and turning it into just another slugfest. Ever Great pun! >Squid_ has just been going downhill -- this new guy, Marv Liefeld, >can't write worth beans. I'm seriously thinking about dropping it. Well, I'm not giving up on it yet. Marv also wrote that backup story in SS #35, "Whatever Happened to the Black Ink Irregulars?" where the got together for a reunion and wound up thwarting Black Flipper's plans to trap SS in an anti-squid toxicant. He seemed to be trying to give us relatively 3 dimensional characters (not always easy when two of the members are Bat Rays), and certainly seemed to know the Suicide Squid history, given that line referring to Captain MidAtlantic's Secret Suicide Squidron. =================================================================== = From: rawdon@cabrales.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Rawdon) = Message-ID: <1992Jul19.184204.16308@spool.cs.wisc.edu> = Date: 19 Jul 92 18:42:04 GMT In <1992Jul19.161731.13161@spool.cs.wisc.edu> lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) writes: >On the other hand, Tom Galloway reports >>it seems obvious to me that he's turned into a Theory Slug of Doom. ...with debilitating effects on his frisbee arm... (Sorry, Gary. :-) =================================================================== = From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) = Message-ID: <1992Jul21.155940.9088@spool.cs.wisc.edu> = Date: 21 Jul 92 15:59:40 GMT I figured I'd wait to respond to this until after we played Ultimate on Monday, so I could comment on the ability of a Slug to run Michael into the ground. But he outsmarted me and played on my team. Ob comics: on the plus side of becoming a Slug of Doom, the former Suicide Squid will now have some amazing powers involving dental floss. I expect this will become evident next issue. =================================================================== = From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Jul12.225847.13391@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 12 Jul 92 22:58:47 GMT "Parker Lewis, only nationwide tv show to show Suicide Squid t-shirts on the air, has its third season premiere Thursday at 8:30 EDT on Fox. This has been a donated promotion by someone who really likes the show." --tyg =================================================================== = From: gary@futon.SFSU.EDU (Gary Hoo) = Message-ID: <1992Jul21.195921.2328@nic.csu.net> = Date: 22 Jul 92 02:59:19 GMT In article <1992Jul21.215117.6841@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> goerz@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Thomas R Goerz) writes: [original postings, concerning "Crisis'" killing-off of the Golden Age Green Arrow, omitted] > >Gee, I always took this to mean the Golden Age GA. Of course he >doesn't exist. Or did he then ???? Yeah, well, he used to exist, but then got himself killed in the Crisis, which sort of didn't matter since the Crisis rendered him nonexistent in the first place, so he couldn't have gotten killed during the Crisis, and, um, .... So, what have I missed? Where are the answers hidden? In that Suicide Squid Spectacular that I passed up a few years ago? 8-) ... =================================================================== = From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr) = Message-ID: <1992Jul22.225504.22657@midway.uchicago.edu> = Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 22:55:04 GMT In article <1992Jul22.164801.5740@iscsvax.uni.edu> levin6706@iscsvax.uni.edu writes: >Speaking of rectcons (Crisis or otherwise) how are explainations for >recharacterizatins like Shade the Changing Man, Animal Man, and >others Easy answer: they aren't. Shade is only loosely based on Ditko's stories and Suicide Squid is ignored (and will get them in the end :*). His origin retains some of Ditko's elements, but how and why he got to earth is radically different. ... =================================================================== = From: jrd@lynx.frame.com (James Drew) = Message-ID: <9207231823.AA04266@lynx.frame.com> = Date: 23 Jul 92 18:23:08 GMT Hey, you ignore the Main Mollusk at your peril! ... IMHO, the *best* Squid stories were done by Ditko. They're the ones I grew up on. Looking back, you'd be amazed at just how much of the current "look" of Suicide Squid is due directly to Ditko. =================================================================== = From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Jul24.125825.29834@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 24 Jul 92 12:58:25 GMT In article <1992Jul24.103507.202106@uctvax.uct.ac.za> snyeva01@uctvax.uct.ac.za writes: >could someone please tell me what the DC as in DC Comics means? >could it be "Devil's Comics"? Sigh...this is as silly as there not being 13th floors in many buildings and other corporate satanism rumors. DC stands for Detective Comics ... Devil's Comics did put out a few issues of Suicide Squid though; the special adaptations of Faustus and Dante's Inferno. =================================================================== = From: grimm@eecae.ee.msu.edu (Jerry Michael Grimm) = Message-ID: <1992Jul24.194150.6748@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> = Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 19:41:50 GMT Hmm, it been a while since I've seen any info requests for Swapthing on the subject line. Wasn't Swapthing a character created by Alan Moore just after his success with Watchmen, while hawking either jeans or sneekers on the Beeb? I didn't pay much attention, but wasn't the premise that it was an angst-ridden secondhand-store owner, who discovers that an apparently old toaster is actually a futuristic time-shfit/space-shift device which can alos alter molecular composition. I think I remember seeing a scene where his power accicdentally activates in a diner, and thinking about how cheesy the grill scene was. Or am I mis-rembembering? =================================================================== = From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr) = Message-ID: <1992Jul25.015952.6776@midway.uchicago.edu> = Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1992 01:59:52 GMT Actually, Swapthing was once a fellow netter, who refused to post to r.a.c. marketplace. One day he went too far, posting a car ad, and was engulfed in flames. He ran screaming thru the nearby drugstore and into a local Thrift Store. As a result of the ensuing explosion he was transmogrified into --- the Swapthing (imagine eerily wavering font). But this was before the Mooremeister got a hold of him. Swapthing discovered that he was really a bargain basement elemental, defender of the underground economy, and foe to price inflation wherever it rears its ugly head. He ocassionally takes trips into the Barter, where he communes with predecessor bargain hunters who have since taken root in the Great Mother of Flea Markets. His greatest enemies are those who have descended into the Designer, for whom no price is too high. He lives in a Garage Sale in West Chicago, with his wife Thrifty and his daughter Sweetdeal. =================================================================== = From: manley@iies.ecn.purdue.edu (HELD HOSTAGE -- YEAR ONE) = Message-ID: <1992Jul26.000254.17517@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> = Date: 26 Jul 92 00:02:54 GMT You know, I really enjoyed Swapthing during the Moore runs, but after he left the book and the new management at Rac Press started with all the guest appearances, I grew disinterested. I mean, in the summer of '91 alone Swappy showed up in Suicide Squid (three times, and IMHO, only one was worth reading), Legion of Supper Heroes (if I hear one more okra joke, or see MASHED POTATO MAN LIVES in the background of one more Rac Press book, I will firebomb their offices), Legion of Net.Heroes, Net.Villains, AND the Tales of the Net.Lurkers mini-series. Plus there was that horrid cameo appearance in BLOODBLOODBLOOD!!! Annual #3. Geez, talk about hyper-extended marketing. =================================================================== = From: cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner) = Message-ID: <76624@ut-emx.uucp> = Date: 27 Jul 92 01:24:48 GMT Okay, guys, when are we gonna be able to get official r.a.c. Swapthing t-shirts? And who do we get to do the artwork? =================================================================== = From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr) = Message-ID: <1992Jul27.072413.26857@midway.uchicago.edu> = Date: 27 Jul 92 07:24:13 GMT Well, I believe Swappy first showed up in '69 Mad margin thingie by Aragones, and of course he'd be perfect. But the follow-up mini by Foglio is the definitive rendition of Swappy (before it went x-rated, of course). Both of these guys are probably too busy. How about Michael Gilbert? Don't let Dean Motter near it. The key here is being able to draw busy, after all Swappy looks like a tornado slurping up garage sales. Of course, Curt Swan should have drawn the LNH crossover, 'stead of that Grell upstart. =================================================================== = From: rkelly@carina.unm.edu (Robert Kelly) = Message-ID: = Date: 27 Jul 92 16:22:40 GMT (Sung to the tune of Wild Thing...) SwapThing... You own everything... SwapThing... You sell everything... SwapThing... I think I owe you.... But I WANNA KNOW FOR SURE.... (Sorry... this is bad.) =================================================================== = From: lsmith@cs.umn.edu (Lance "Not Here" Smith) = Message-ID: <1992Jul27.172556.24041@cs.umn.edu> = Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 17:25:56 GMT You know, I just gave a final exam part of which dealt with the 68000 assembly language. To be cute I titled one of the questions "The Return of Swap Thing" because I had asked a similar question on a midsession exam and because both questions had the students moving the contents of registers about. Now it's really disappointing to think that one is clever then find out that someone has made up the same joke purely by accident. =================================================================== = From: lis@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba) = Message-ID: = Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 01:27:28 GMT Just a quick note--the new issue of CBG features the annual awards, and Suicide Squid did get ten votes for best character! Just thought I'd share the news... =================================================================== = From: mamcconnell@happy.colorado.edu) (Mark (MacBear) McConnell) = Message-ID: <1992Jul27.232747.1@happy.colorado.edu> = Date: 28 Jul 92 05:27:47 GMT Yes! Finally, I can see where my vote counts. 1/10 of his position! We made the list. Now maybe they'll believe us when we talk of The (now amorphized) Squidster =================================================================== = From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) = Message-ID: <1992Jul28.072601.9552@sol.UVic.CA> = Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 07:26:01 GMT I was another Suicide Squid voter. That's three votes (it looks like). I never got a copy of the CBG awards -- a packing error caused us to get two bundles of Comic Shop News rather than CBG. Don't suppose anyone would be so kind as to post a list of winners (or, god help them) a full list? =================================================================== = From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Jor-Elmo) = Message-ID: <1992Jul29.154416.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> = Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 21:44:16 GMT I, too, voted for the Squid Supreme. =================================================================== = From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Jor-Elmo) = Message-ID: <1992Jul30.222712.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> = Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 04:27:12 GMT It occurs to me upon Suicide Squid's appearance in the favorite character list of the CBG fan awards, that someone from this group should probably submit an explanatory article to CBG. Choice bits of the SS archive could be included, maybe a description of the net, the various mailing lists, etc., a plug for the Annotated Sandman :-), and so forth. I'd do it, but I fear I lack the historical perspective required. =================================================================== = From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Jul31.040809.13640@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1992 04:08:09 GMT Working on it already. I'm doing one on the Squiddies, Alternative Squiddies, and the GEnie Thunderbolt Comics Awards and of course will need to explain r.a.c. and Squiddy. Side note: now that I've seen the CBG with the results, it may be worth noting that Suicide Squid received one less vote than Archie Andrews and 11 fewer than Betty Cooper. Squiddy finished in 26th place in the Favorite Character category. =================================================================== = From: gt5878b@prism.gatech.EDU (Eddie Maise) = Message-ID: <65269@hydra.gatech.EDU> = Date: 7 Aug 92 02:55:53 GMT Since Tom is semi-net-mute for a week or so, he asked me to issue a progress report on the second printing of the Suicide Squid shirts. I decided to make new color separations and new screens for the second printing. This is to control the bleeding evident on some shirts and to make the shirt more resistant to fading from washing. Many people have noted that the black ink is fading noticably quicker than the rest of the shirt; the new color separations should alleviate this problem. However, the process of essentially starting over from scratch has taken longer than I anticipated. I know, I should have expected it to take longer than I expected. :) The upshot is that I have just now gotten a completed set of screens that will produce a good image. This weekend I should be able to start real production of shirts. I'm not sure how many I'll be able to crank out this weekend, but I'll make as many as I can. First priority in mailing out shirts will go to folks attending the San Diego Comics Con. If mailed on Monday or Tuesday, they should get to people's homes by Wednesday or Thursday. Anyone who is interested in technical issues of printing the Squid shirts can send me mail, and I'll get back to you when I'm done printing. :) =================================================================== = From: erikkay@next.com (Erik Kay) = Message-ID: <4574@rosie.NeXT.COM> = Date: 8 Aug 92 01:43:30 GMT = Subject: Re: The most influential comic books of all time... I'd have to say Suicide Squid #24 (first run). Without a doubt. =================================================================== = From: marv+@cs.cmu.edu (Marvin Germany) = Message-ID: <1992Aug11.140115.232322@cs.cmu.edu> = Date: 11 Aug 92 14:01:15 GMT Is this a real comic book? I always thought that it was a joke crated by some net people. If it is real, can you tell me where I can find a copy? =================================================================== = From: em@merlin.cvs.rochester.edu (Ethan Montag) = Message-ID: <1992Aug11.153926.22655@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> = Date: 11 Aug 92 15:39:26 GMT No, no, no. In issue #24, the Net People crated Suicide Squid. In issue #25 he escapes. The joke is on all the people who want issue #24 when all the action is in issue #25. =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Aug21.131035.25665@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> = Date: 21 Aug 92 13:10:35 GMT Random comments/news from the San Diego Comics Con (in no particular order; what most people will consider the major news is roughly in the middle here) ... The r.a.c. Black Ink Irregulars team of Jim Drew, myself, Roger Klorese, and Dani Zweig won the trivia bowl despite a slow start including my blanking on the name of John Constantine's band on the first question. We eventually fell behind 50 to -5 in the first game, but staged a comeback. In the finals we were never really seriously challenged. All team members wore Squid shirts, as did some of our cheering section in the audience. We managed to restrain ourselves from getting a fifth Squid shirt wearer to come up on stage so we could do a ten tenacled wave. ... =================================================================== = From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Dan Elmoe) = Message-ID: <1992Aug20.223009.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> = Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 04:30:09 GMT In article <1992Aug18.231402.18655@news2.cis.umn.edu>, lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes: > Oh I like this! Squiddy is constantly trying to "get a date." > > Death: "For the last time, I'm not taking you until I get a black SS > T-shirt! And stop playing with my goldfish!" Funny you should mention this; I ordered a second-printing black SS tee specifically to give to Neil Gaiman when I finally meet him. Black is, of course, the only color he wears. ... =================================================================== = From: tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) = Message-ID: <1992Aug21.160855.743@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> = Date: Fri, 21 Aug 92 16:08:55 GMT Black is not a colour. & colours are allowed *on* the black. Hmm. The guy who prompted you to the above statement mentioned Squiddy playing with Death's goldfish... I know what their names are. Ner ner |-) ... =================================================================== = From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: = Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 18:33:09 GMT In <1992Aug21.160855.743@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> tweaver@nyx.cs.du.edu (T.C.Weaver) writes: > morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Dan Elmoe) writes: >>...I ordered a second-printing black SS tee specifically to give to >>Neil Gaiman when I finally meet him. You know, I was going to do this too, but employment ran out before I had a chance to order one. I have this disturbing image of people thrusting Squiddie shirts at Gaiman where ever he goes. Just out of curiosity, how many shirts out there have Neil's name on them? (Do I get extra special Sandscout points for being the first person to wear a Squiddie shirt in Gaiman's presence?) >Black is not a colour. & colours are allowed *on* the black. One of the local booksellers told me this story (badly paraphrased): "Neil Gaiman, wearing the usual colorless clothes*, was in the store buying some books. When he tried to pay by check I asked him for some form of identification. He responded by putting on his dark glasses. 'Ah Mr. Gaiman. It's good to see you again,' I said as I accepted his check." *Black is the absence of color, right? =================================================================== = From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: <1992Aug21.194530.20662@news2.cis.umn.edu> = Date: 21 Aug 92 19:45:30 GMT In article <1992Aug21.131035.25665@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) writes: >DC and Image are in negotiations to do intercompany crossovers. The rumor I've heard is that one proposed crossover is Batman meets Prawn. (OK, ok, Spawn.) The rumor runs that McArtist wanted to do a Prawn-Spiderman (Sorry. Spawn.) crossover, but that Marvel told him to take a hike. The Spawn-Batman (Hey, I got it right!) crossover should be considered a form of retribution. Considering the success DC has had with various Batcrossovers, this may work out well for them. Now can anyone tell me what the Prawnmobile was? ============================================================================ = From: jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim W Lai) = Message-ID: = Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 21:44:44 GMT In article branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams) writes: >Apparently, the reason Gaiman wasn't at SDCC was because he got the >house he'd been in the process of buying and was doing closing thangs >on the sale [...] Oh sod. You realize this will mean he'll have to get an armed patrol to keep out the raging mobs of fanboys and fangirls all wearing black clothes, dark amber shades, and suicide squid t-shirts. So... Any volunteers? :) And I thought the trenchcoat brigade was bad enough... e-gad. ... =================================================================== = From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Aug21.233304.27641@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1992 23:33:04 GMT In article lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes: >I have this disturbing image of people thrusting Squiddie shirts at >Gaiman where ever he goes. Just out of curiosity, how many shirts out >there have Neil's name on them? None of them. Heck, we didn't even put the poem on any of this run, let alone do customized name versions. What you do in terms of embroidering "Neil Gaiman" on it when you get it is your business though. =================================================================== = From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr) = Message-ID: <1992Aug22.070308.21289@midway.uchicago.edu> = Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 07:03:08 GMT In article <1992Aug18.231402.18655@news2.cis.umn.edu> lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes: >In article <1992Aug18.163038.1993@news.nd.edu> >mkelly@happy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes: >> lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes: >> >> Maybe a Suicide Squid crossover? > >Oh I like this! Squiddy is constantly trying to "get a date." > >Death: "For the last time, I'm not taking you until I get a black SS > T-shirt! And stop playing with my goldfish!" I thought Squiddy won a "Date with Stinky". Is he already two-timing with Death? =================================================================== = From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Aug26.024845.21647@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 02:48:45 GMT In article <1992Aug25.035957.6415@math.ucla.edu> sherman@glendon.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat) writes: >In article <1992Aug25.032902.11654@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> >berninge@iron.ecn.purdue.edu (James A Berninger) writes: >>Does anyone remember the names of Krypton's two moons? >Slim and Wandsworth. No, wait, that's something else... And stop that Squid from playing with them! [yes, I do know what they are] =================================================================== = From: tyg@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Aug26.030552.22487@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1992 03:05:52 GMT In article robert@askinc.ask.COM (Robert McMullen) writes: >Regarding Aquaman, I really like the title as it is already, but >absolutely LOVED "The Atlantis Chronicles", so Peter A. David will be >a great writer to shift to. Will this title (which I presume is >starting with a miniseries) restart where "...Chronicles" left off? ... Also, Peter did say at San Diego that he might have a squid commit suicide to prevent r.a.c. people from coming up to him and asking about when Aquaman and Suicide Squid will team up. ... =================================================================== = From: v124jw4y@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Benjamin R Pierce) = Message-ID: = Date: 27 Aug 92 15:49:00 GMT = Subject: Re: Sandamn: I need a reminder Hmmm...the best way to catch up on the antics of Sandamn would be by reading the Annotated Sandamn, supplemented by the team book he appears in, the Obscenity Legion. These books also contain a lot of interesting info on his siblings, Drat, Darn, Dang, Dammit, Dagnabbit, and the mysterious Seventh known only as #@(*^(%!. In addition, there are rumors of a Sandamn/ Suicide Squid crossover in the works... =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Aug28.181344.2701@HQ.Ileaf.COM> = Date: 28 Aug 92 18:13:44 GMT Due to problems with the ucbvax mail-to-post software, Jim asked me to post his con report for him. ... [From Jim Drew ] CON REPORT ---------- Con: San Diego Comic Con 22 Place: San Diego Comic Convention Date: August 13-16, 1992 Thursday: ... * I paced through the aisles, looking for familiar faces and Squid shirts. Ended up in Artist's Alley, where Roberta Gregory was sharing a table with Colin Upton (rather than Trina Robbins, as in years past). Donna Barr was at the next table. (I said, "Hi, Donna." She said, "Hi. Oh, it's the maniac!" Roberta also recognized me: she did the cover for Ciao! #5.) Donna was looking more professional than I've ever seen her, but also less harried; she's a producer now (The Desert Peach musical plays in Seattle in November; the cast has members of the Seattle Opera as performers.) Karen Williams ran into me there, said she had seen someone in a Squid shirt. (Turns out it was probably Jerry Stratton.) ... Friday: ... * Trivia! Back at the con for the Black Ink Irregulars intended triumph at the trivia contest. We (me, Roger Klorese, Tom Galloway, and Dani Zweig) were there in full squid-shirt regalia, and we proceeded to have a score of -5 after the first 10 minutes or so of the game. Deciding that it wasn't wise to commit sepukku so early on, we rallyed our wits, and proceeded to win the first round. The team of bigger-names-than-us (Dwight Decker, Jeff Swycaffer, etc.) won their heat (and *they* got the chance at the Legion questions! Pfbbt!), to meet us in the finals. [Roger says he thinks they may be the team that beat us last year; I don't recall.] In the finals, we trounced all over them (naturally; do you think any of us would be alive to tell the story if we hadn't won? Good BII's know better.) We didn't even need to use the audience participation callback from the Suicide Squid animated cult-favorite short film: "Drown in front!" The trivia contest organizer recommended that we (primarily Tom, I think) run the contest next year, if for no other reason than so he could participate. While tempting, I expect we'll pass. ... =================================================================== = From: mbvg9741@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hmmm. . .) = Message-ID: = Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1992 20:22:56 GMT dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes: >The Silver Age is off to a great start. Poor YM. ... >This guy can really write. I wonder if he's written anything else >worth reading. :-) Hmmm, I wonder . . . Didn't he do one of the Suicide Squid specials? =================================================================== = From: lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: <1992Aug28.213805.4473@news2.cis.umn.edu> = Date: 28 Aug 92 21:38:05 GMT Sure. In fact there were three SSSs that he took part in. My favorite is the Gaiman-Moore alternating word issue. There was also the Suicide Squid crossover in Sandman, "Dreams of 1000 Catfish." ... =================================================================== = From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (glenn alan carnagey jr) = Message-ID: <1992Aug31.063332.16213@midway.uchicago.edu> = Date: 31 Aug 92 06:33:32 GMT "He's been eclipsed, magusized and collapsed into only one generation, he's worked as a scab on BloodBloodBlood and Spectacular Suicide Squid, honorary member of the LNH and the BoENV, forget the Bug clown, hire the Glenn-Khan and spice up your rag today!" --- g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, believe it or not =================================================================== = From: jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim W "GrimJim" Lai) = Message-ID: = Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1992 08:30:24 GMT In article "Andrew C. Plotkin" writes: >Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics: 29-Aug-92 Unrepentant Heresy >About To.. Jason Lee Smith@andrew.c (1290) >>Also, I think Death is one of the stupidest characters ever created. > >Such promising flamebait. :-) But, but... what about the character who appeared in a one-page cameo in a recent issue of Suicide Squid? It was a fisherman who was using clotted nasal mucous for bait. =================================================================== = From: gt5878b@prism.gatech.EDU (Eddie Maise) = Message-ID: <67446@hydra.gatech.EDU> = Date: 2 Sep 92 01:16:03 GMT DATELINE: ORLANDO. Squids are predicted to overrun Orlando this weekend, coinciding with the 50th World Science Fiction Convention. Con goers are advised to wear protective clothing and avoid dangerous looking cephalopods if at all possible. Experts are expecting a large influx of _cephalopodus_dolors_, the dreaded "Suicide Squid." _C._dolors_ is easily recognizable by its eight silver tentacles, each containing a hazardous object, and its two longer, flesh-colored arms. The toaster is thought to be extremely deadly. As a service to rec.arts.comics.* readers, this reporter has made arrangements to provide protective camoflage to any who may need it. Made of 100% cotton, the Suicide Squid T-Shirts defends against _C.dolors_ by imitating it (the Suicide Squid forever swims alone). To obtain one, find this reporter and say "Hey, where's my Suicide Squid T-Shirt?" ----- Yes, it's true, the long-awaited Second Printing is not a hoax, not a dream, not an imaginary t-shirt. The first batch off the press will be going with me to WorldCon this weekend in Orlando. Anyone who has ordered a T-shirt and will be there can pick it up in person, getting it immediately and saving postage. All you have to do is find me. :) That shouldn't be hard, actually. I'm staying in the Clarion hotel; leave a message for me at the desk (the earlier in the con the better) letting me know how/where to find you and I'll do my best to hook up with you. Also, I will be showing up at Brad Templeton's @! party, Friday night, 8th floor of the Peabody hotel (watch for the signs). When I return from Worldcon, the shirts will start going out in the mail. I'll send email to everyone whose shirts I send out. Note that I'm having to do these in batches, due to the large number of orders, so if yours doesn't go out immediately, have patience, young Jedi. I will strive to fill and ship all orders within two weeks of getting back from WorldCon. For those of you who have recently sent Tom inquiries about shirts: Tom will send out acknowledgements and/or instructions when he gets back from WorldCon. I hope to see {some/all/none/a whole bunch} of you there! =================================================================== = From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) = Message-ID: <181ndhINNrs@agate.berkeley.edu> = Date: 2 Sep 92 06:36:33 GMT In article <1992Aug28.214114.5076@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) writes: )2: What happened to the Legion of Net Heroes? It gradually died away...didn't have quite the staying power of Suicide Squid. (But then the Squid is unique.) Someone's just posted a revival article; we'll see how much response it gets. =================================================================== = From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) = Message-ID: <1992Sep3.204947.12212@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> = Date: 3 Sep 92 20:49:47 GMT Hi, Scavenger here again. Well it looks like that the LNH is starting to crawl from the wreckage(gee, just like Morrison's Doom Patrol). I've had several new people wanting to join (and rest assured ya'll will be in the next installment) I'm going to attempt to combine allthe different threads into one cohessive story (It'll be sorta like an editor). I figure I'll fall somewhere between Mike Eury(let the writers do whatever the hell they want) and Bob "I can f**k up a book worse than Lobdell"Harris (Deciding on my own what happens). Please feel free to write whatever strike's your fancy. I'm just gonna hammer it into the continuity. LET"S SHOW THE SQUID-ZOMBIES THAT THE LNH HAS A STRONG FAN FOLLOWING!!!(Just kidding Dave :-) :-) ... =================================================================== = From: acadams@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Arthur C. Adams) = Message-ID: <1992Sep4.210233.2737@afterlife.ncsc.mil> = Date: 4 Sep 92 21:02:33 GMT While taking a long flight from California to Maryland yesterday, I started thinking about this question: Which comics are likely to be read as literature in the future? There are some obvious ones: Sandman is probably the most likely, and, almost as likely, the Watchmen. Maybe a few of the top quality Claremont - Byrne X-Men. The Dark Knight is a possibility. So, what's the net.opinion? Oh, and no one need point out to me that several top American and British Universities are offering year-long seminars on Suicide Squid, with sections devoted to Doctor Calamari as an Oedipal figure and Suicide Squid as a symbol of Man's Quest for Self-Understanding. =================================================================== = From: faber@loon.cs.wisc.edu (Ted) = Message-ID: <1992Sep4.155315.12819@cs.wisc.edu> = Date: 4 Sep 92 15:53:15 GMT >In article <1992Sep3.221433.28446@midway.uchicago.edu> >mss2@midway.uchicago.edu writes: >>In any case, I'm looking forward to whatever Dave [Sim] does after >>he finishes his sabbatical. Any idea what sorts of ideas he's >>working with? Actually I heard it was a Suicide Squid revival with Dave McKean and Norm Breyfogle. =================================================================== = From: steppe@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Top Changwatchai) = Message-ID: <79241@ut-emx.uucp> = Date: 6 Sep 92 19:12:40 GMT In article lsmith@milli.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes: >Alan Moore will write one issue of Spawn. > >If I didn't know better I'd say this was a bad Squiddie joke. Please pardon my ignorance, but what is Spawn? From the preceding posts I've inferred that it's a bad comic put out by Image. And what's a "Squiddie joke"? Anybody care to enlighten me? =================================================================== = From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: <1992Sep10.035216.22291@news2.cis.umn.edu> = Date: 10 Sep 92 03:52:16 GMT In article <1992Sep9.014048.8753@vax.oxford.ac.uk> cen@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes: >"What impelled Gaiman and Moore to agree to write an issue of Spawn >each? Hm. Possibly the same thing that impelled Dave Sim to agree to >write the last part of the trilogy" > >So it sounds as if the illuminati are doing a distinct project. Aha! I knew it! Wayne Mills and I recently agreed that the only way to explain the disappearance of all those Shadowhawk #1's was some sort of organized international conspiracy. We dubbed said conspiracy, the "Image Illuminati" I think this is further proof of said conspiracy. So how does this work? Is it going to be along the lines of those old Gaiman/Moore Suicide Squid issues? Issue 1: Gaiman plots, Moore scripts, Sim draws, McFarlane gloats Issue 2: Moore plots, Gaiman scripts, Sim draws, McFarlane gloats Issue 3: Sim plots and writes, Moore does Big Numbers, Gaiman draws (he's got professional experience at this, you know), McFarlane gloats ... =================================================================== = From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: <1992Sep14.194203.8661@news2.cis.umn.edu> = Date: 14 Sep 92 19:42:03 GMT ... Finally, if you really like Ev's work, see about buying up back issues of Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. Yes, I know it was from Marvel, but this book was much better than it had any right to be. Remember that early issues had a squid character and later issues have Death working at a Pretzel and Cheese fast food restaurant. ... =================================================================== = From: jng53092@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Jon Gad) = Message-ID: = Date: 17 Sep 92 19:16:31 GMT ... It goes the other way, too. Just as people reading only rac.dc or rac.indies don't get Kid Dynamo, people in rac.marvel and rac.marvel.xbooks wouldn't get access to things like Watchmen and Cerebus. So many small newsgroups MAY be easier to work with and more convienent, but a smaller number of large groups has a wider cross-pollination of ideas and a better developed sense of community. (the LNH and Suicide Squid, for instance) =================================================================== = From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) = Message-ID: = Date: 18 Sep 92 14:31:23 GMT Here is Batman from 300 up. Take your pick... ... 357 Squid ... =================================================================== = From: jgreene@dorm.rutgers.edu (Jeffrey Greene) = Message-ID: = Date: 20 Sep 92 17:02:43 GMT First off, this is not Jeff. I am Jonathan. My former account, jcp@gauss, has been eliminated, and Jeff has been kind enough to let me use jgreene@dorm for this message. Before summer break, rumors were going around about a second run of Suicide Squid T-shirts. The rumors seemed to be coming true, and Mr. Galloway was organizing the details. Because I would lose net access over the summer (indeed, I lost my account), I sent Mr. Galloway a check and ordering information, as per his request. My check was later cashed by Mr. Galloway, as I received the cancelled check and a corresponding bank statement. The problem? I have yet to receive the shirt. Upon returning to school, I tried to contact Mr. Galloway, using Jeff's account. This was two weeks ago, but I still have not received word from Mr. Galloway. This could mean that either my mail bounced (not likely, since it was not returned to me; it obviously went _somewhere_), Mr. Galloway has not logged in (he has posted since, but he could have been forgetting to check his mail), or that he is ignoring me. Now, I am not insinuating anything. At first, I thought that mere printing problems caused a delay in the shirts. I just wanted to know when I would be getting mine. Now I am assuming there was some difficulty with Mr. Galloway receiving my mail. However, I am still out some money and want to know why. So, my question to you, the readers in net land, is whether or not ANYONE received a shirt, or is everyone having the same problem as I? My request to Mr. Galloway is to get in contact with me so I can find out what is going on. Thank you very much, Jonathan Petersen (formerly of jcp@gauss.rutgers.edu) respond to jgreene@dorm.rutgers.edu =================================================================== = From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: = Date: 19 Sep 92 21:49:56 GMT Couple of questions on the death of r.a.c.: - Will a certain Endless be involved when the rmgroup is issued? - Will Suicide Squid die (yet again) with the group? "But we know so little about the physiology of thanatotic cephalopods." - Tom Galloway, on the rumors of the upcomimg death of Suicide Squid. =================================================================== = From: ant@brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (Anthony Murdoch) = Message-ID: = Date: 21 Sep 92 03:40:55 GMT = Subject: Re: Aussie Super Heros jbell@mihi.une.edu.au (Master of Puppets) writes: > see, not many, ARE there??? How about Boomerang from Suicide Squid (at least sometimes he's a good guy :) =================================================================== = From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: <1992Sep21.220832.25670@news2.cis.umn.edu> = Date: 21 Sep 92 22:08:32 GMT = Subject: Re: Aussie Super Heros Was this in the Suicide Squid-Just us Lads of Australia cross-over? For that matter does anyone recall the Just us Lads line-up? I recall: Captain Kangaroo and Joey the Wonder Wallaby Melbourne Manhunter Power Platypus Elastic Emu Digger Red and Tank Girl Well, maybe not Tank Girl... =================================================================== = From: mjc+@cs.cmu.edu (Monica Cellio) = Message-ID: = Date: 23 Sep 92 21:37:20 GMT I inquired about the shirts earlier this month and got an answer back within a day or two (not counting Worldcon). It seems there has been a printing delay, and he had hopes that they would be out by the end of this month. =================================================================== = From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) = Message-ID: <1992Sep24.211344.16522@njitgw.njit.edu> = Date: 24 Sep 92 21:13:44 GMT In article <1992Sep24.133940.59148@cc.usu.edu> sl859@cc.usu.edu writes: >Oh and BBB mean BORED BEYOND BELIEF!!! *Sigh* Not again. BBB means BloodBloodBlood, one of my favorite comics (besides Suicide Squid and Swap Thing). Now if I could only find cover variation #42 of BBB#2... =================================================================== = From: MHANNINEN@finabo.abo.fi (Mika H{nninen Inf) = Message-ID: <1992Sep25.124220.14144@abo.fi> = Date: 25 Sep 92 12:42:20 GMT I've got it.Bagged.Backed.MINT!. I'll trade it for Suicide Squid #1 (With the "If Seaweed Be My Destiny..." cover) and Swap Thing #3 ("All new *collectible* origin issue)... =================================================================== = From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) = Message-ID: <1992Sep29.035345.29507@njitgw.njit.edu> = Date: 29 Sep 92 03:53:45 GMT For my two comics, do I get two copies of BBB#2? I need one for the coupon, and the other to save so I can sell it in mint condition later. If not, I would be willing to send you two copies of SS#1 and ST#3 each, although then I'd only have 173 of each in my collection. I'll try to live with it, though. =================================================================== = From: lsmith@femto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: = Date: 29 Sep 92 20:34:33 GMT = Subject: r.a.c. RIP (M-O-U-S-E) "Some posted in haste. Some posted at leisure. Some flamed. Others were burnt. What has become of them, I cannot say. They are all the same to me now." - Thomas Hardy, _Far from the Comics Crowd_ "Don't think of death as an end. Think of death as an unpaid vacation." - The Scarlet Scripter to Suicide Squid, Cephalopdic Cavalcade #3 "rec.arts.comics was just too beautiful for this net." - Lake Elmo, _Requiem for a Newsgroup_ "Life is like a mini-series. You know it will end. You're just not sure how many issues you get or whether the thing will be any good." - Lance Smith after one too many Summits "The group is dead. Wrapped in plastic." - David Lynch, Twin Geeks. "The Marvel zombies. They're the ones that done it!" - P.D. James, _Death of an Expert Inker_ =================================================================== = From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Sep30.011236.18479@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 30 Sep 92 01:12:36 GMT Um, whoever issued the rmgroup, I think something's gone horribly wrong. I mean, first my b&w screen somehow started showing a red background. Then this ghostly image of Jayembee shows up next to the reference shelf murmuring about the anti-newsgroup scimoc.stra.cer and how we can't let the fate of net.comics be revisited. And now I seem to have four counterparts all crowded around waiting for their crack at the keyboard. They've asked to be identified as misc-tyg (looks the most like Richard Pini), strips-tyg (looks the most like Matt Groening), xbooks-tyg (looks the most like Walt Simonson), and info-tyg (looks the most like a Connection Machine). And I seem to be fading out.... "What's happen in Suicide Squid? Please tell me.(I don't read S.S.)" --Sakai Mitsuhiro (probably the most memorable thing ever posted to r.a.c.) =================================================================== = From: wkaufman@us.oracle.com (William Kaufman) = Message-ID: <1992Oct1.155237.28478@oracle.us.oracle.com> = Date: 1 Oct 92 15:52:37 GMT I'm still waiting for the rac retcon. You know, where Omega was really a demigod wielding the Spikey Bat of Doom; Suicide Squid was just a net.fantasy and not really a comic book; etc. =================================================================== = From: sherman@glendon.math.ucla.edu (The Ahkond of Swat) = Message-ID: <1992Oct5.184424.27430@math.ucla.edu> = Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 18:44:24 GMT In article <1992Oct5.024802.2166@njitgw.njit.edu> bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) writes: >In article <1992Oct4.220946.16077@husc3.harvard.edu> >mduhan@husc10.harvard.edu (Matthew Duhan) writes: >> Correct me if I'm wrong, but Suicide Squid is NOT just in rac. >>Didn't it appear elsewhere? DP perhaps? > >DP? You mean Doom Patrol? I don't think Suicide Squid ever made a >Doom Patrol appearance. That would've been rather difficult, judging >from SS's inception. No, the Desert Peach. Squiddy is hidden in one panel of the issue wherein the Rommel brothers go surfing. Sehr groovy, kinderlein. =================================================================== = From: friedman@ganymede.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark "Crimson" Friedm = Message-ID: <1992Oct6.001400.14065@cis.ohio-state.edu> = Date: 6 Oct 92 00:14:00 GMT And here I was thinking "Dirty Pair"! :-) =================================================================== = From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) = Message-ID: <1992Oct6.010956.29984@njitgw.njit.edu> = Date: 6 Oct 92 01:09:56 GMT Hmmm... I'm not familiar with Desert Peach, so I couldn't say for sure. Odds are, though, if SS did appear in DP, it was due to his appearances on rac. rac was where SS premeired, and any other appearances would be references to rac. Look at it this way: if you caught a small picture of Crow hidden in, say, and issue of Superman, would you say Crow was from Superman, or just MST3K? =================================================================== = From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) = Message-ID: <1992Oct6.180455.6873@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> = Date: 6 Oct 92 18:04:55 GMT Acton Lord awoke sprawled over a hard chair in a dimly lit office area with a headache the size of the Suicide Squid archives. ... =================================================================== = From: dan@wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Dan Parmenter) = Message-ID: = Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 17:14:51 GMT The Kid Kirby thing was pretty amusing. I normally pretty much avoid reading any of the net in-joke stuff. I have no idea what a Suicide Squid is. ... =================================================================== = From: drichey@eng.auburn.edu (David M. Richey) = Message-ID: = Date: 8 Oct 92 20:31:44 GMT I've seen many references to the name "Irving Forbush" in old (1970's) Marvel comics -- usually in Stan Lee's Soapbox. Who was this guy? and what did he have to do with Marvel? =================================================================== = From: djdaneh@pbhyc.PacBell.COM (Dan'l DanehyOakes) = Message-ID: <1992Oct8.233202.13594@pbhyc.PacBell.COM> = Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1992 23:32:02 GMT He was a central figure in the cadet branch of the Wold Stevens family. His sister, Marie, was known by her married name, Mrs. Calabash; his uncle Tim was the founder of the Yancy Street Irregulars. Hope this helps. . . =================================================================== = From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Oct9.031935.15926@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1992 03:19:35 GMT Of course, his relation to Marvel was that he was the writer-artist of the single Marvel issue of Suicide Squid. Due to the 15 different holographic metallic ink foil imbossed pop-up glow in the dark covers, the Marvel issue of Suicide Squid #1 sold a record 15 billion copies, more than five for every person then on Earth. As this was the first modern Marvel comic written by anyone other than Stan Lee, Stan immediately cancelled the book and attempted to turn poor genius Irving Forbush into an object of ridicule. To avoid possible lawsuits, his face was never shown. The Marvel Suicide Squids were used in 1969 to replace the gold in Fort Knox, on the grounds that since gold would always be valued at $35/troy ounce and such a demanded comic would surely appreciate in value, the Squids represented a better long term investment by the government. The wisdom of this move is indicated by the fact (I'm not making this up) that 1969 was the last year the government had a budget surplus. =================================================================== = From: v124jw4y@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Benjamin R Pierce) = Message-ID: = Date: 10 Oct 92 17:09:00 GMT = Subject: Re: Siderman 2099 #2 Aaaah, yes...Siderman 2099, the only one of the 2099 titles I like so far! In issue 2, Siderman puts new brickface on three (count 'em) THREE houses! We get to see him use lots of nifty, high-tech siding gear, too. Rumor has it that a Suicide Squid crossover is in the works...seems the Squiddy One thinks his HQ looks a little shoddy, and would like adamantium siding put on... =================================================================== = From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) = Message-ID: <1992Oct11.034638.22648@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> = Date: 11 Oct 92 03:46:38 GMT ... "How did you do that? I was never able to corrupt powers...I can just make variants of Acton's Law and fire powerbeams!" said the puzzled Acton Lord. "Ah...I see the problem. You're a copy from between LNH #249 and #250, and we didn't actually gain the power enhancement/corruption ability until the lettercol of Suicide Squid v23 #14. My file was updated after that issue, so I have the greater power." =================================================================== = From: vapspyo@prism.gatech.EDU (Jon W. Hughes) = Message-ID: <70724@hydra.gatech.EDU> = Date: 10 Oct 92 08:19:29 GMT Siderman? Didn't he and Suicide Squid have that big cross-company crossover back in the early 80's? (I'm sorry, my copy of the SS-Sidey crossover was lost in a flood last year, so I couldn't look it up.) Anyhow, could some kind soul who has this please send me a summary of the plot, since it's been years since I've read it. Also, what's the origin story of this new Siderman? =================================================================== = From: balbes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu = Message-ID: <14190.2ad8637f@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> = Date: 11 Oct 92 21:25:19 GMT Hmm, wonder if there are going to be legal problems with the recently released Ciderman and The Applejack Crew. Could be another Superman-Capt. Marvel courtroom battle in the works. =================================================================== = From: klein@frith.egr.msu.edu (Jeffrey Klein) = Message-ID: <1992Oct11.221958.14918@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> = Date: 11 Oct 92 22:19:58 GMT Could this have anything to do with the reported revival of... The Legion of Supper-Heroes??? =================================================================== = From: nicholas@next19pg2.wam.umd.edu (Ronnie Simonds) = Message-ID: <1992Oct12.153344.13097@wam.umd.edu> = Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1992 15:33:44 GMT Siderman! Siderman! Does whatever a Sider can! Plaster is his reward Life's just a great big haaang-up Wherever there's a haaaang-up You'll find the Sidermaaaan.... =================================================================== = From: lsmith@exa.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: = Date: 11 Oct 92 20:36:37 GMT ... >>>Uh... I guess I had more than one question. :) >> >>S'OK. I never told you what it was about. >Can I have the smiley then? It's yours. Since finding the Lost Squid Smiley Mine, I have a nearly inexhaustible supply. =================================================================== = From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAVENGER) = Message-ID: <1992Oct12.221217.15083@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> = Date: 12 Oct 92 22:12:17 GMT ... A note. Alt.fan.suicide-squid has gotten up to arround post #95 here in bouder. Because of the way The server I'm on works, I belive that this is the total # of posts that a.f.ss has had in it's history. Alt.comics.LNH is now up to around its 157th post. I'm not saying we're better, afterall, Squiddie has appeared on TV and has merchandising, I'm just saying that we've survived and prospered where it was once said that we wouldn't. (sorta like ST:TNG) ... =================================================================== = From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) = Message-ID: <1992Oct13.003644.23018@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> = Date: 13 Oct 92 00:36:44 GMT >~Is the PAD who posts to this newsgroup Peter David, of (recently) >~Hulk fame? >In article <1992Oct12.181519.17002@u.washington.edu> >gwangung@carson.u.washington.edu (Roger Tang) writes: [yes] >In article <92cj02Mq25ob01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> >branwen@cerebus.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams) writes: [yes, adding details] >In article <1992Oct9.164044.21836@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> >lee@torrid.ogo.dec.com writes: [yes, adding details] >In article <70615@hydra.gatech.EDU>, jd53@prism.gatech.EDU (DE LA >COVA,JORGE) writes: [yes, adding details] C'mon, give the poor guy a break. It's *A* Peter David. Next you'll have the poor schnook trying to buy a Suicide Squid shirt or something. =================================================================== = From: bxp1628@hertz.njit.edu (Brian Perler) = Message-ID: <1992Oct13.053213.9255@njitgw.njit.edu> = Date: 13 Oct 92 05:32:13 GMT In article <70724@hydra.gatech.EDU> vapspyo@prism.gatech.EDU (Jon W. Hughes) writes: >Also, what's the origin story of this new Siderman? Obscure Trivia Lad has heard that they're going to revamp Siderman's origin soon, so it's too soon to tell. Personally, Obscure Trivia Lad is happy that they're going to revamp it, as Obscure Trivia Lad always thought that being bitten by a radioactive aluminum siding salesman was slightly on the cheesy side. =================================================================== = From: hannu@polaris.utu.fi (Hannu Pajunen) = Message-ID: <1992Oct13.110844.10161@polaris.utu.fi> = Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 11:08:44 GMT Siderman?? Suicide Squid's new sidekick, huh? =================================================================== = From: vapspyo@prism.gatech.EDU (Jon Hughes) = Message-ID: <71058@hydra.gatech.EDU> = Date: 13 Oct 92 13:47:25 GMT No. Siderman is published by the _other_ gigantic comics company. Plus, I think Siderman's been around longer than Squiddy. However, the second Sidey/SS crossover "Panelling the Ocean's Floor" did suggest the idea of Sidey and SS leading a cross-company team of superheroes. Unfortunately, the idea full through in the late 80's and hasn't been brought up since. =================================================================== = From: sasha@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (David A. Tumarkin) = Message-ID: = Date: 14 Oct 92 00:22:46 GMT vapspyo@prism.gatech.EDU (Jon W. Hughes) writes: > Siderman? Everyone's been misspelling it. It's Cider-Man who got his powers by biting into an overripe, fermenting Golden Delicious apple. =================================================================== = From: balbes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu = Message-ID: <14222.2adc0098@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu> = Date: 14 Oct 92 15:12:24 GMT This is just the kind of confusion I spoke of in my previous post. Siderman and Ciderman are two very different characters. Let's face it, if a nasty supervillain is destroying your aluminum siding, who would you want to come and save the day? I've heard an unconfirmed rumor that the Applecore Comics Group has already started legal action against 3Panel Comics. They claim their character, Ciderman, is being squeezed out of the market. =================================================================== = From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: <1992Oct14.172529.5323@news2.cis.umn.edu> = Date: 14 Oct 92 17:25:29 GMT To make matters worse, one of the recurring supervillains in Ciderman is Hard Ciderman. (For those who don't read Ciderman, Hard Ciderman is Ciderman's older brother who turned bad.) To the best of my knowledge, there is no Hard Siderman. I also thought the apple in question was a Granny Smith's. Or am I thinking of Ciderman's aging grandmother who is always on the brink of dieing? =================================================================== = From: wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) = Message-ID: <1992Oct14.175935.18384@stsci.edu> = Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1992 17:59:35 GMT Is it Siderman who was rocketed by his father from the doomed planet Aluminum? And that his real (Aluminum) name is Pan-El? =================================================================== = From: daikerjohnc@bvc.edu = Message-ID: <1992Oct15.195342.2355@bvc.edu> = Date: 15 Oct 92 19:53:42 CDT >Anyway, We've already seen Aunt May in SM 2099. PAD and crew killed >her off in the second issue. :) So much for her having her own book. WHAAAAT?!?!? Damn. I was really looking forward to the first issue of: "AUNT MAY and her MIGHTY EXTERNALS" with those new "SUICIDE SQUID 2099/BLOODBLOODBLOOD 2099" backup stories. *SIGH!!!* =================================================================== = From: jordan@castor (USENET's Chuck) = Message-ID: <1992Oct15.193014.13325@athena.cs.uga.edu> = Date: 15 Oct 92 19:30:14 GMT In article <1992Oct14.175935.18384@stsci.edu> wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes: >Is it Siderman who was rocketed by his father from the doomed planet >Aluminum? And that his real (Aluminum) name is Pan-El? Weird. I thought that Siderman's two young twin SIDEKICKS were Aluminum and Vinyl. If I recall correctly, Siderman's powers were that he could withstand most any type of weather and what's more he never needed painting. His one weakness was that he had to be installed by a professional from Sears. The only issue I ever bought was the one where Aluminum inhaled some mind-altering fumes while on a visit to a cannery, and he decided to wage a one-man war of vengeance against the British because they kept pronouncing his name funny. I think you might be thinking of The Recycler, a vigilante hero who came to earth after his home planet Aluminum was crushed by a giant cosmic machine. He had a run-in with Plastic-Man once, as I recall, but other than that was pretty nondescript. Except for the closing scenes. At the end of each issue, after he had snatched someone from the clutches of doom, he would carefully weigh them and give them 10 cents per pound. It was a nice touch; back then heroes had class. =================================================================== = From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Oct16.000913.11439@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1992 00:09:13 GMT In article <1992Oct14.175935.18384@stsci.edu> wmorgan@stsci.edu (Windsor A. Morgan) writes: >Is it Siderman who was rocketed by his father from the doomed planet >Aluminum? And that his real (Aluminum) name is Pan-El? Nope, his name was Vyn-El. However, he was once split into Aluminum Siderman and Vynel Siderman due to exposure to red brick. =================================================================== = From: MHANNINEN@finabo.abo.fi (Mika H{nninen Inf) = Message-ID: <1992Oct14.211802.6788@abo.fi> = Date: 14 Oct 92 21:18:02 GMT ... Oookay. Cable does *NOT* have a son. He was talking about whassisface... Hope this helps in killing this thread. (Kane is Wolverine's and Sabretooth's son,NO! He's the son of Suicide Squid and Death! Actually he's...) =================================================================== = From: friedman@ganymede.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark "Crimson" Friedm = Message-ID: <1992Oct20.034404.24127@cis.ohio-state.edu> = Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1992 03:44:04 GMT ...Does anyone out there have a GIF/JPEG of that hero of all heroes: SUICIDE SQUID! I've been dying to even catch a *glimpse* of him! :-) Would the artist be willing to distribute it in this fashion? =================================================================== = From: vapspyo@prism.gatech.EDU (Jon Hughes) = Message-ID: <71998@hydra.gatech.EDU> = Date: 21 Oct 92 14:48:02 GMT First of all, many thanks to those who tossed this around on the net. Now I present to you the brief histories of both Siderman, and Siderman 2099. Siderman - He originally arrived from the doomed planet Aluminium, and Vyn-el (son of Pan-el) and landed on Earth, which in the 1940's had very little aluminium siding, which was from where Siderman drew his superhuman powers. (Due to this origin, it was hard to continue Siderman at his original power levels (since much more aluminium siding has appeared since the 40's) until John Byrne depowered him a lot when he redefined the character.) He assumed the name Karl Clint, and began working in Megalopolis at the Planetary Trumpeteer, the city's largest newspaper. However, due to his goal to protect life, liberty, and the right to slap tacky siding onto your house, he developed a fatal vulnerability to red brick, although other color bricks produced interesting effects on him. During his life, he has fought many foes, including: "Logs" Luthor - owner of Megalopolis' largest builder of log cabins and other wooden structures. Mr. Brxlplyk - an imp from the 15th dimension, he caused no end of trouble each time he visited, until Siderman could trick him into saying "Aluminium" backwards. Note: When Siderman first appeared, his Aluminian name was Pan-el, but this was changed during the Silver Age and Siderman became Vyn-el, and his father Pan-el. Siderman 2099 In the future, most houses are covered with aluminium siding, and there is only one company that works with brick left in business. Mark Meters runs a small siding company, and one day, he's at a worksite where workers are putting siding on a nuclear reactor. However, the nail-gun used by one of the workers has been sabotaged by the brick company, and it shoots a nail hard enough the crack the reactor shielding. A blast of irradiated steam hits the worker, who runs around shrieking until he bumps into Mark, who he bites. The worker then dies. But Mark finds new powers after getting bitten by a radioactive sider. He can now cling to walls and generate aluminium siding from thin air. He also builds wrist-bands which are really modified nail-guns, so now he can hang siding anywhere without a ladder or hammer. He intends to get rich soon, which he observed "With great powers come great contracts." He recently put new siding on his uncle's house, but he did a shoddy job and weakened many of the support beams holding up the house. One will have to wait until issue #3 to find out what will happen. Hope this information helps. ;) =================================================================== = From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Oct21.035958.13102@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 21 Oct 92 03:59:58 GMT = Subject: Suicide Squid t-shirt 2nd run status/order information First off, an update on the current status. Eddie will not be able to print the second run. I'm currently out of town through the weekend, and when I get home I'll find a commercial shirt printer to do the shirts ASAP. Also when I get home, I'll be sending an email message to everyone I have orders from, asking you to confirm the information I have on where to send the shirts, etc. Given that the printing situation has stabilized to this degree, and that economies of scale will be even more of a factor due to going to a commercial printer, I'm still taking orders for the second run of shirts featuring the unofficial r.a.c.* mascot as depicted by Batman Adventures comic artist Ty Templeton. Complete with logo, Squiddy is attempting to hang himself, shoot himself, is holding an open bottle of sleeping pills, slitting a tentacle, sticking a knife in a toaster, reading Kafka, and holding a steak with an attached "Here sharks!" placard. Underneath is the slogan "The seaweed of crime bears bitter sushi". Shirts will be available in adult sizes and in the shirt colors of ice green or black. Cost for U.S. residents is $9.50 for the shirt plus $3.00 Priority Mail postage for 1-3 shirts, $6.00 for 4-6 shirts, $9.00 for 7-9 shirts, and so forth. Non-U.S. residents should email me with their prospective orders and we'll work out details on postage and payment via email after I get home this weekend. Send email with your name, email address, snail mail address, number and sizes of shirts wanted to tyg@hq.ileaf.com. Send the same information, and a check for the cost of your order to: Tom Galloway P.O. Box 1433 Waltham, MA 02254 Once again, my apologies for the delay in getting this run out. While I can't be sure until I determine what company will be doing the printing and what their schedule is, I intend to get these printed and mailed out as quickly as possible. =================================================================== = From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay) = Message-ID: = Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1992 14:32:44 GMT jd53@prism.gatech.EDU (DE LA COVA,JORGE) writes: >Guys, do you think we could possibly end this thread. I'm beginning >to think I'm gonna get the blame for starting it when all I asked was >a simple question. I long ago received my answer. Besides, I am >likely to get a rep for starting stupid threads, which is the last >thing I would want, seeing as how I just started posting not so long >ago. Hey, you think *you've* got it bad? Just ponder the poor fellow whose great claim to fame is asking what happened in the latest issue of "Suicide Squid" :-) :-) :-) =================================================================== = From: jwlr@dali.cc.rochester.edu (James Willer) = Message-ID: <1992Oct22.181750.1122@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> = Date: 22 Oct 92 18:17:50 GMT Not to mention someone whose subject line mentioned "Siderman" (so I won't!) =================================================================== = From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Glenn Carnagey) = Message-ID: <1992Oct23.185537.6802@midway.uchicago.edu> = Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1992 18:55:37 GMT And don't forget the Swap Thing! =================================================================== = From: Omega.Man@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Omega Man) = Message-ID: <719786198.35@fquest.FidoNet> = Date: 15 Oct 92 16:47:39 GMT > C'mon, give the poor guy a break. It's *A* Peter David. Next > you'll have the poor schnook trying to buy a Suicide Squid shirt or > something. ...Funny, I could have sworn that PAD was already GIVEN one for meritorious service rendered under comicdom, or some other Merry Marble reasoning. :-) =================================================================== = From: lsmith@milli.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: = Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1992 23:42:53 GMT Last night on the Horror Hall of Fame III special they had a segment on EC comics. They started it off with a black and white clip with a woman talking on the evils of comic books. (Slothful behavior, bad grooming and a desire to eat calamari.)... =================================================================== = From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Oct26.012045.12180@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1992 01:20:45 GMT In article <1992Oct20.034404.24127@cis.ohio-state.edu> friedman@ganymede.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark "Crimson" Friedman) writes: >More importantly, does anyone out there have a GIF/JPEG of that hero >of all heroes: > SUICIDE SQUID! >I've been dying to even catch a *glimpse* of him! :-) Would the >artist be willing to distribute it in this fashion? No. =================================================================== = From: branwen@tony.ccc.amdahl.com (Karen Williams) = Message-ID: <7dbF022p28Ej01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> = Date: 27 Oct 92 19:24:41 GMT Am I the only one who hasn't gotten my Suicide Squid shirts yet? I thought they were supposed to be in mail right after San Diego. What's the deal? ... =================================================================== = From: castle@cs.dal.ca (JULIAN GUTHRIE CASTLE) = Message-ID: = Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1992 01:31:32 GMT Chill... it takes time to get someone to print something as mind-blowing as Suicide Squid. Also, Tom's life does not revolve about Suicide Squid :) :) However the post I sent to Tom's hq.ileaf.com account got a "host does not exhist" message. And the post I sent his other account has not been responded to (I was sure I included "Candian resident" in the Subject: header) ... =================================================================== = From: mfterman@dae.Princeton.EDU (Mutant for Hire) = Message-ID: <1992Oct31.224951.13174@Princeton.EDU> = Date: 31 Oct 92 22:49:51 GMT Neil Gaiman showed up for a signing this fine afternoon at my local comic book store Comic Relief. Having not a list of formalized questions, I decided to ask whatever came to mind. Wearing my snazzy Suicide Squid t-shirt, which got comments from people in the line, I went up to the front table. Gaiman noticed my shirt and commented that he wanted one. When he discovered "A Mid-Swimmer's Night Dream" on the back, he changed his mind and decidedIR# that iGit wbe better simply to admire them as they appeared. :) He did state that someday someone would probably do a Suicide Squid comic, but that it would be best to start the numbering at #130 or so. ... =================================================================== = From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: = Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1992 00:47:32 GMT [For those of you not paying attention. Eclipse plans to release the Famous Netter cards sometime in December. Of special interest to this group are the TYG card (with Tom attacking the Jeopardy producers), the Goldfarb card (recreating his role as Suicide Squid), the Mutant for Hire cards (set of six), and the special limited edition plutonium Scowling Jim Cowling card (sure to be a collector's item.) Look for all your favorite posters sometime in March.] =================================================================== = From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) = Message-ID: <1992Nov3.014139.14843@sol.UVic.CA> = Date: 3 Nov 92 01:41:39 GMT Ahem. I was promised that my card would be dipped in goat's blood to coincide with the release of BloodBloodBlood #3. Damn those Eclipse'rs! Bad enough they can't pay on time, now they're reneging on contracts... =================================================================== = From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew M. Solovay) = Message-ID: <1992Nov10.184520.27230@netcom.com> = Date: 10 Nov 92 18:45:20 GMT In article <9210946.22@cuslm.ca> 9210946@cuslm.ca (THERIAULT YANICK M.) writes: > >Would someone care to explain to me what LSH mean!!!! Give the >answer out on the net, I'm pretty sure that I'm not the only one that >doesn' t know this! Legion of Squid Heroes. =================================================================== = From: slgnj@cc.usu.edu = Message-ID: <1992Nov10.180321.60653@cc.usu.edu> = Date: 11 Nov 92 00:03:21 GMT Suicide Squid? Haven't heard much from him lately. Any info about him out there? =================================================================== = From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) = Message-ID: <1992Nov13.034303.2098@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> = Date: 13 Nov 92 03:43:03 GMT I certainly hope nothing bad happened to the shirts...Netlurker and I already sent in our money.... Dave Van Domelen, T-shirt Lad =================================================================== = From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Nov13.052531.27366@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 13 Nov 92 05:25:31 GMT I've just learned that I'll be in London (that's England, not Canada) from Saturday November 21st through the 27th, as well as December 14th through the 19th and likely a day or two on either side of those two dates. I'll be free all day on weekends, and in the evenings during the week (although I'll be based in the Richmond area until about 4:30 p.m. each weekday). Anyone interested in getting together while I'm over there, whether you're a lurker or poster, let me know. Also, the week of November 30th, and probably a day or so on either side, I'll be in Toronto with the same time restrictions. Same deal on getting together. As to what all this means to Suicide Squid shirts (as well as unexpectedly being called out of town for a family funeral last week and catching a virus to boot and a work schedule that's gotten unexpectedly heavier than expected), I'll be sending email to all those whose orders I have in hand and doing a post early next week. =================================================================== = From: cole@lea.csc.ncsu.edu (Robert Cole) = Message-ID: = Date: 13 Nov 92 15:54:02 GMT dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David VanDomelen) writes: >I certainly hope nothing bad happened to the shirts...Netlurker and I >already sent in our money.... I've e-mailed him twice concerning the placement of an order. I was trying to find out if the shorts were still available and should I go ahead and send the check. Haven't heard back from him (and the mail didn't bounce). Perhaps he's busy arranging details for this print run of shirts. Hopefully, we'll all here something soon. =================================================================== = From: dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) = Message-ID: <1992Nov14.003210.17792@ncsu.edu> = Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 00:32:10 GMT In article <1992Nov10.180321.60653@cc.usu.edu> slgnj@cc.usu.edu writes: >Suicide Squid? Haven't heard much from him lately. Any info about him >out there? I ate him for dinner. =================================================================== = From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1992Nov10.002652.13646@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 10 Nov 92 00:26:52 GMT In article lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes: >[For those of you not paying attention. Eclipse plans to release the >Famous Netter cards sometime in December. Of special interest to this Of course, this will be the second edition of r.a.c.er cards. Well, I suppose the first, since the previous ones were net.comics cards. And yes, I do have the rare Jayembee rookie card, the one with his posting percentage shown at a low, low, low .878 (well, low for Jerry in his prime at least). Btw, anyone have any idea how much a 1981 unc!dopey!galloway card in near mint is going for? "What I want is a 'Get Out Of Work Free' card." --Tim Illington =================================================================== = From: lsmith@pico.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: = Date: 16 Nov 92 04:16:06 GMT In <1992Nov15.082556.26509@midway.uchicago.edu> lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Grinnin' Glenn) writes: >Neil is working on lots o' stuff, some of it with Charles Vess >(yea!!), but it would be incredibly rude of me not to let Enrique >fill you in on this. I will say he immediately recognized Lance >"Squiddy" Smith's name Of course, it helps that there aren't too many people who voluntarily use a cephalopodic nickname. Just think of the name recognition of Lance "Petroleum Refinery Explosion" Smith or Lance "Multicar Collision Involving a School Bus Full of Orphans" Smith. Hmmm, is this equivalent to letter hack status? Can I one day hope to work in the industry? =================================================================== = From: vpillai@vms.ucc.okstate.edu = Message-ID: <1992Nov10.200321.1@vms.ucc.okstate.edu> = Date: 11 Nov 92 02:03:21 GMT hi Can anybody help me for answering this question Who distroyed PHILISTIN TEMPLE fo DRAGON at GAZA ? Thanking in advance for your reply VELU PILLAI =================================================================== = From: hachiman@stein.u.washington.edu (matt) = Message-ID: <1992Nov11.061322.28299@u.washington.edu> = Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 06:13:22 GMT Wasn't it Suicide Squid? After the Philistines chopped off his ten long, silky, arms (thus draining him of his inhuman strength), destroyed his eyes with that substance so baneful to waterdwellers: fire, and then separated him from his beloved Mother Sea by surrounding him in the solid stone of a Philistine dungeon, he finally got his opportunity for revenge after many years of suffering. Eager to torment their vanquished enemy, the Philistines brought him out in public on the occasion of one of their many debaucherous feasts. The doomridden squid lifted one last prayer to his Mother Sea, and then extended his partially regenerated arms of death. Groping blindly, he was able to find the pillars that supported the roof of the temple of Dagon (a Philistine god of the sea that was one of Mother Sea's bitterest rivals) and tear them down. With a mighty shriek, tons of stone plunged down killing the uber-Squid and his Philistine foes. =================================================================== = From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) = Message-ID: <1992Nov15.090950.2943@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> = Date: 15 Nov 92 09:09:50 GMT Yup, I went there, and met several netters like David Paulier(sp?), and the Bell Labs co-worker whose name escapes me right now (this is embarrasing). I missed Lady Johanna Constantine by *this* much, but I had Glenn Carnagey promise to introduce me to the fine young lass one of these days. :-) I was wearing a black SquidShirt (per regulations ;-)), but didn't bring anything to get signed. (What for? All I wanted was to ask him a couple of questions...) =================================================================== = From: castle@cs.dal.ca (JULIAN GUTHRIE CASTLE) = Message-ID: = Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 21:24:31 GMT Help! Tom Galloway said he was going to get a second printing of the suicide squid t-shirt made. I've sent orders for a t-shirt to Tom at both his accounts, they were not bounced and I haven't heard from him (although he said that discussion would have to be made with non-US customers. I've sent a query to Jim Cowling to save bandwith and it was bounced. It think Tom made the offer 3 weeks ago and I'm getting nervous. What's happened ? =================================================================== = From: mkelly@sophocles.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) = Message-ID: <1992Nov20.211500.770@news.nd.edu> = Date: 20 Nov 92 21:15:00 GMT ... The LNH posts seem to me to be much more along the lines of fan-fiction, just like Suicide Squid, the Legion of Supper Heroes, Kid Dynamo, etc. It may be that there is finally enough support for a rac.creative. ... =================================================================== = From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) = Message-ID: <1992Nov23.150536.9748@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> = Date: 23 Nov 92 15:05:36 GMT = Subject: Annotated Slapstick #3 Okay, this will NOT be complete, since I am not Obscure Trivia Lad. ... p3: ..."Nice goin' Squid" must mean Slapstick is secretly Suicide Squid. }-> ... =================================================================== = From: jimh@pacdata.uucp (Jim Harkins) = Message-ID: <1992Nov20.011414.12624@pacdata.uucp> = Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 01:14:14 GMT I got this last monday, it explains the situation. I myself suspect tyg is wishing he'd never started this. jim From uunet!leafusa!valhalla.HQ.Ileaf.COM!tyg Mon Nov 16 06:46:08 1992 Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 21:01:07 EST From: uunet!valhalla.HQ.Ileaf.COM!tyg (Tom Galloway) Subject: Suicide Squid shirts progress report Content-Length: 3742 This is being sent to everyone who has ordered a Suicide Squid t-shirt, and is an update on the progress of making the shirts. As you know, the shirt production itself got passed over to me last month when Eddie was unable to do the shirts. At the time, I expected to be able to get the shirts out quickly. The problem is, unlike Eddie, I'm not actually making the shirts myself. Rather, I have to locate a shirt maker, order shirts, approve color separations, etc. This means that I can't do the work on Sunday, in the evening, etc. Now, here's where we get into the problems. What I'm doing at work these days involves teaching courses. There are two aspects of this which directly affect my ability to get Squid shirts made. First, when I'm teaching, I have to be in the office from 9-12 and 1-5. Thus, weekdays are pretty much ruled out for getting any actual work done on visiting print shops and the like when I'm teaching, as I have no flexibility in when I'm in the office. This has also become a factor as I'm on a major deadline for developing a course for a new product. The second factor is that I don't do all my teaching here. If I'm out of town, clearly I can't get anything done on the shirts. Originally, I'd planned to get a fair amount of work done on the shirts the week of November 2nd, as I wasn't teaching and had some flexibility. Unfortunately, Tuesday morning of that week I was told that an uncle had died, and I had to make it down to North Carolina for the funeral and such. This had me out of town through Saturday night. While there, I (and my sister, mother, brother-in-law, and stepfather, at various times) all came down with a virus, which left me a bit weak for the first part of this week. The kicker was that I was teaching this week, and trying to make up for lost time on the new course. Yeah, I know how this may sound (relative died, virus), but at least I don't have a pet to claim that it ate the artwork :-). OK, now we hit the new problem. I'm teaching this week, see above. Then, as you may have noted from my recent post on r.a.c.m., I'll be in London for a week, followed by Toronto for a week. I'll then be back here from the 7th through the 10th of December, then off to London for another week. I'll be here for the 21st and 22nd, then visiting family in NC for the 23rd through 27th. The London courses were just scheduled this week. Clearly, this throws the Squid shirt schedule into chaos. If I'm lucky, I'll be able to get shirts done and mailed out on the 22nd of December, but a time around the last week of December or the second week (scheduled to be out of town the first week of January) of January is more likely, given the number of shirts which'd need to be printed, and that I don't want to start the shirt printing until the 7th at the earliest, so that I won't be out of town during the whole printing process. I apologize about this, but my work and out of town schedule have, unexpectedly, rendered it almost impossible for me to get work done on the shirts during hours that I could actually go see shirt makers. As those of you who have first run shirts can attest, there's some fine separation work done on this design, so I need to find a good shirt maker. As always, if anyone wishes to cancel their order and receive a refund of their money, I'll get it out to you as soon as I see the email (i.e. if you send me email the day I leave for London, it'll be a couple of weeks before I'll see it and can reply). I apologize for the further delay, and the only good thing is that once this is over with, any future runs will proceed *much* quicker as I'll already have separations and a printer. Once again, my apologizes for the delay. tyg tyg@hq.ileaf.com =================================================================== = From: lsmith@deca.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: = Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1992 22:50:57 GMT In <1992Nov30.223030.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Gautama Elmo) writes: >ctatro@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (kristoff) writes: >> Hmmm, with all the David Bowie references and talk about eyes in >> issue 45, one might think that Neil read racm and is teasing us!!!! >Uh, Tanaqui -does- forward a fair hunk of the Sandman-related posts >here on to Neil :-) He just doesn't talk back very often. Aw but he drops us pseudo-psychic clues to his existence! For example, in issue #42 he uses the holy net.word "Squidging!" (Squidging? Yes, squidging! What's that supposed to mean? I dunno, but it has the root of 'squid!' Oh, I see. Next thing you know we'll be seeing a character named Elmo. Sssssh!) ... =================================================================== = From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) = Message-ID: <1992Dec7.040738.12007@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> = Date: 7 Dec 92 04:07:38 GMT My link is still screwed. Heregoes avaliant effort at crososying CRISIS OF INFINITE CLONES #3 - PART TWELVE OF THE ELECTROCUTIONER'S SONG ... Cannon Fodder had been expecting this, and had started to creep away. But before he could take two steps, Sig.Lad swept out with the Sword and wrote a clever little .sig on the back of Fodder's ice green Suicide Squid T-shirt. Cannon Fodder was so shocked that the power demonstration was non-lethal that he had a massive coronary and died. Gotta hate that power. ... =================================================================== = From: byron@soda.berkeley.edu (Byron C. Go) = Message-ID: <1g2vo9INN2mq@agate.berkeley.edu> = Date: 8 Dec 92 20:15:05 GMT In article rawdon@colby.cs.wisc.edu writes: #In branwen@tony.ccc.amdahl.com #(Karen Williams) writes: #>Unless I'm wildly mistaken, today (Dec. 7) is Tyg's birthday. #>Everybody wish him a happy birthday. # #How many candles? :-) Who cares? Just splatter the whole scene with squid ink. Nobody's going to notice. Belated happy birthday, tyg... and many happy returns of the day! =================================================================== = From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) = Message-ID: <1992Dec10.193123.10899@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> = Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 19:31:23 GMT In article <1992Dec10.182822.12403@news.nd.edu>, mkelly@bronte.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes: > > Okay okay, I confess....it was a joke, I *tried* to clue people in > by putting something in the keywords. Of course, I still get > occasional requests from people to tell them more about the limited > edition "Sodium" version of Spiderman #1 (it is sealed in a moisture > proof bag so you know that it is in mint condition)..... You should be so lucky. Back during the heyday of SUICIDE SQUID, some guy sent me e-mail (this really happened) because he doubted the "plutonium" edition of SUICIDE SQUID was a good idea, especially since the radioactive material would cause the comic paper to decay... =================================================================== = From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) = Message-ID: <1992Dec10.210358.18578@netcom.com> = Date: 10 Dec 92 21:03:58 GMT ... And if you include a sufficiently large quantity of plutonium, it will cause the paper to decay very quickly. What's your problem with this? :) =================================================================== = From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) = Message-ID: <1992Dec10.224731.16764@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> = Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 22:47:31 GMT It decreases the investment value of the comic. See, in 20 years the paper will have degraded so much it won't be in anything close to "mint" state. [Yes, that was in the e-mail as well...] =================================================================== = From: v129j6ed@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (This is F.U.N.) = Message-ID: = Date: 12 Dec 92 15:17:00 GMT ... LEGION OF NET.HEROES PART ONE: AGAINST THE BROTHERHOOD OF EVIL.NET.VILLAINS CHAPTER I ... Calling upon his powers, Squid Boy calls upon the Great Squid. He feels the Squid taking over his body just as Manga Man is distracted by the sudden and unexpected appearance of a large .sig file in the area. While Manga Man is deciding what to do, The Squid quickly entangles him using Squid Boy's body. ... =================================================================== = From: ted4646@rigel.tamu.edu (cartoon boy) = Message-ID: <22DEC199215024462@rigel.tamu.edu> = Date: 22 Dec 1992 15:02 CST ... "You must be the guy they call `Squiddie'. I hear you've been making up fictional quotes about me. Do ya have anything to say before I drill ya full of lead?" _Mr Peanut meets Lance Smith_ =================================================================== = From: rkelly@carina.unm.edu (Robert Kelly) = Message-ID: <1pnrv7n@lynx.unm.edu> = Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 21:40:40 GMT = Subject: Re: SANDMAN:Lucien's Library [ Question: what never-written books would you like to see ] ... --RAC Comics Special, featuring the Multiples Deaths of the Suicide Squid, special guest deaths by the ENTIRE Legion of Net Heroes, Pete Daavid, Moriarity (sp), Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt, among others. ... =================================================================== = From: dml@athena.mit.edu (David M LaMacchia) = Message-ID: <1992Dec21.092931.28651@athena.mit.edu> = Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 09:29:31 GMT Does anyone have any information about the status of the second printing of the Suicide Squid t-shirts? I know back in October the print run was delayed until late November.... =================================================================== = From: dascoser@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (david serchay) = Message-ID: <44ZkwB3w165w@cybernet.cse.fau.edu> = Date: 30 Dec 92 06:05:38 GMT 4224_5201@uwovax.uwo.ca (John LaRocque) writes: > Marvel generally owns what it publishes, right? Well, Louise Simonson and > Mary Wilshire and Bill Anderson are going to do a Jesus miniseries coming > soon to a comic store near you. ... Yes, but when will he meet Suicide-Squid? :) ... =================================================================== = From: lsmith@peca.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: = Date: 2 Jan 93 23:45:46 GMT = Subject: Re: Squiddies: I Lied In rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) writes: >It's been a tired, do-nothingy kind of a day. Look for award >categories and instructions over the weekend. Looks like Saturday would be (would have been) a good day for it. According to the comicstrip Ernie, (by Bud Grace, who makes a rare appearance in the strip) January 2nd is National Squid Appreciation Day. "All over our nation people are honoring the noble squid! Giving them presents! Keys to the city! Taking them to dinner! "Mollusca! Natures finest phylum! Cephalopodia! How the name rings with distinction! Take time today to honor a squid." I hope each and every Rackhamite has observed this holiday in his or her own noble and joyous manner. =================================================================== = From: mamcconnell@happy.colorado.edu (Mark (MacBear) McConnell) = Message-ID: <1993Jan3.114254.1@happy.colorado.edu> = Date: 3 Jan 93 17:42:54 GMT In article <1993Jan3.034959.799@zip.eecs.umich.edu>, tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) writes: > > All together now...Tenzil. Tenzil. Tenzil. Tenzil. Tenzil. Tenzil. > Tenzil. Okay... Tenzil. Tenzil. Tenzil. Tenzil. Tenzil. Tenzil. Tenzil. Wow. I'm starting to feel woozy. Is this a 30th C. form of brainwashing? Now if only we can get more people to vote for the squid in this years CBG. =================================================================== = From: squiddies@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese) = Message-ID: = Date: 10 Jan 93 21:32:45 GMT Announcing: the 1992 rec.arts.comics.* Awards, or (in honor of our ten-tentacled mascot) the Squiddies! ... =================================================================== = From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew) = Message-ID: <9301160142.AA25227@lynx.corp.frame.com> = Date: 15 Jan 1993 19:42:36 -0600 = Subject: Re: New releases: January 13, 1992 Jim Cowling (jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling)) writes: ... >DC Comics > Shad, the Changing Man 33 Ah, the long awaited Suicide Squid cross-over! =================================================================== = From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: = Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1993 05:10:42 GMT = Subject: Re: Stanley and His Monster #2 In article <1993Jan15.211310.15938@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes: >Last issue didn't quite feature Morpheus. This issue didn't quite >feature John Constantine. I wonder who won't be in issue #3. Sorta makes ya dizzy just thinking about it, doesn't it? This series is a lot of fun. The Jellomancer and his demise at the hands of squirrels. The running Constantine-Bierce confusion. Trouble with pronouns. Nyx and her confusion concerning subtlety. Cameo appearances by Suicide Squid and Calvin and Hobbs. The cover. Definitley heading to the top of the Foglio list. =================================================================== = From: lsmith@mega.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: = Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 20:34:01 GMT In article <1993Jan18.155022.14398@dragon.acadiau.ca> 890870m@dragon.acadiau.ca (Jason MacNeil) writes: >On another note, did anyone else notice that the 2 Bachalo-pencilled >Vertigo books (Shade 33 and Death 1) both had guest appearances by >the same rubber ducky in the bathroom scenes (Shade page 3 - Death >page 20)? Maybe a new major character to tie the different books >together? Yes it's Rubber Duck Month at Vertigo! See the Bright Yellow Detective in all of your favorite Mature titles. - Taking a bath with Kathy and Lenny in Shade - Hanging out with Death in The High Cost of Living - Cruising down the River Lethe in Sandman - Making a speech about biodegradable bath toys in Swamp Thing - Being tossed to Behemoth to save John Constantine's hide in Hellblazer - Getting shot by heartless rubber duck hunters in Animal Man - Taking over the world in Doom Patrol Buy all the titles! Buy the Rubber Duck watch! Buy the Rubber Duck mug (as seen in D:THCoL)! Buy the T-shirts! Buy the Death of Rubber Duck trading cards! Buy the Rubber Duck black leather jacket! Buy the Rubber Duck porcelain statue (not for use in the bath tub)! Buy! Buy! Buy! =================================================================== = From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1993Jan19.024456.27529@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 02:44:56 GMT I've found a printer, and things are pretty much ready to go. Expect shirts to be mailed out in a bit over 2 weeks, as there's a 10 business day turnaround time at the printer. Also, while I plan to have a few extra printed so another run isn't needed for a while, I'd like to do a last solicitation of orders to tag onto the current run. The restriction is that I need to get email by Thursday morning, EST with said order, followed quickly by a check. The shirts feature a drawing and logo of r.a.c.mascot Suicide Squid as done by Ty Templeton, artist of Stig's Inferno and a number of DC books including recent strips in the JLI and GL Quarterlies, the first three issues of Batman Adventures, and others. Squiddy is depicted with an open bottle of sleeping pills, sticking a knife in a toaster, holding a noose around his neck, a gun to his head, slitting a tentacle, reading Kafka, and holding a sign labelled "Here Sharks!". Underneath is the slogan "The seaweed of crime bears bitter sushi". 100% cotton Hanes Beefy-T shirts in sea green or black shirt colors, black, white, gray, and red design colors. Cost is $9.50 per shirt. If in the U.S., shirts will be shipped priority mail at a cost of $3.50 for 1-3, $7.00 for 4-6, $10.50 for 7-9, and so forth. Foreign orders will be given shipping costs when I get your email. To order, send email with number, color, size, and address (both e- and physical mail). I'll respond with where to send a check to. Once again, my apologies for the delays on this run. =================================================================== = From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: = Date: 22 Jan 93 02:17:54 GMT ... The best made plans of squids and squawfish... ... =================================================================== = From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: = Date: 30 Jan 93 05:50:12 GMT = Subject: Re: Swamp Thing #129 In article <1993Jan30.044957.3025@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes: > >Not that the rest of what I saw in the issue inspired much confidence >in Collins. But it had such a nice Charles Vess cover! With a fifth metallic ink! "Am I a squid dreaming he's a man or a man dreaming he's a squid?" ... =================================================================== = From: cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner) = Message-ID: <1kh41aINNi8h@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> = Date: 31 Jan 93 17:59:06 GMT In article Frederick D Wong writes: > I spelled Guy Gardner's name as "Gardener". Ooops! >Sorry about that! Who's there? Ve are zee rec.artz.comicz Schpelling Politz! NO! NO! I already posted an apology! You can't -do- this! HELP! Shvine! Kom vis us, it ist time for your re-edukation! ... =================================================================== = From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: = Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1993 07:57:23 GMT ... Everyone seems to want to be the Phantom Stranger. David Goldfarb fits the bill the most closely (since he is the keeper of the mystical annotations and remains removed from this business) but I doubt if he's interested. (Come to think of it David did play Suicide Squid in the JLA letter col...) ... =================================================================== = From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) = Message-ID: <1kiqe9$m33@agate.berkeley.edu> = Date: 1 Feb 1993 09:27:37 GMT Actually, Suicide Squid played *me*, if you recall. ... =================================================================== = From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1993Feb2.041856.19377@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1993 04:18:56 GMT As expected, sweeps month means new Batman episodes are being shown. Today was a nice one by Paul Dini titled "The Man Who Killed Batman". But, of course, any episode which features a crowd of Gotham thugs yelling "SQUID! SQUID! SQUID! SQUID!" would have a certain appeal for me. Btw, Sid the Squid's voice was done by Matt (Max Headroom, Doctor Doctor, Shaky Ground, mugger at the beginning of Supergirl:The Movie) Frewer; thought it sounded familiar but couldn't place it until the credits. ... =================================================================== = From: jlmiller@hamp.hampshire.edu = Date: 3 Feb 93 10:40:41 EDT = Message-ID: <1993Feb3.104041.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> ... Still waiting for the Swap Thing/ Suicide Squid mega-crossover, ... =================================================================== = From: wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald) = Message-ID: <1993Feb3.201940.4939@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> = Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 20:19:40 GMT In article <1km4egINNl8r@nic.umass.edu> LUTHER@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (JONATHAN A LUTHER) writes: >In <1993Feb2.061901.27220@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU >writes: >> For the past week or two, I have been promoting my new story, >> KNIGHT FALL.... >> >> DC has announced the title for it's big BATMAN blow out story of >> the year. It's called KNIGHTFALL! ARRRGHHH!!! WHERE"S MY LAWER? > > I really hope that this guy isn't serious... Stories are >written MONTHS in advance -- one month would not be enough to "rip >off" an idea... There are advantages to keeping the Suicide Squid archive around. A year and a half ago, I wrote: >How can anyone take seriously a posting that concludes with >information on Suicide Squid? > >I rather like the idea of posters contributing to SS continuity rather >than polluting the net with smileys. I think we can extend this suggestion to the LNH. =================================================================== = From: silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage) = Message-ID: = Date: 4 Feb 93 05:50:34 GMT Ok, so color me clueless, but *exactly* what is the Suicide Squid and how did it become the RACM mascot? =================================================================== = From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) = Message-ID: = Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1993 21:14:59 GMT Review: Suicide Squid: Rebirth Writer: Alonzo Mori Artist: Unagiko Sakanaumi Publisher: Squid Press 64 pages, $5.00 (U.S.) After months of legal battles, Suicide Squid returns in a special edition that hit the stands yesterday, and it was certainly worth the wait. Mori makes a triumphant return as the writer (and self-publisher) of the book and Sakanaumi's art is amazing. I'll try not to give too much of the story away, but if you don't want to take that chance, hit 'n' now. Well, Marv Liefeld left things in a big ink splot back in July, transforming Suicide Squid into a large, theoretically inclined Slug of Doom while a cyborg from the future announced that he was the new champion of Chaos. Fortunately, Mori managed to win his legal battle for control of Suicide Squid and has returned to writing the book. Rather than ignore the previous work, he decided to build on it. The book opens with a look at the world from the perspective of the Slug of Doom. This is a touching prelude, speaking volumes for universal understanding of others. When he finally moved, I cheered out loud. Meanwhile, the Black Ink Irregulars are going diving... We next get a view of the Cyborg, ink jets blazing. This is a truly frightening scene, and it is here that Sakanaumi's talents impressed me most. I honestly jumped back from the page when the Cyborg turns his jets towards the reader and shoots. For a comic that isn't done in 3-d, the characters sure spring out at you. Having set up the story, Mori then slowly reels the three storylines into each other, setting up a tension filled climax and the return of Suicide Squid in a dreamy/metaphysical scene that appears to have both religious and scientific ramifications for Suicide Squid and the members of his cast. (Notice, for example, the roles played by Clarice throughout the issue.) I admit there are parts of this I just don't understand. For example, it's clear that the dolphins represent the three wise men from the birth of Christ story, but I don't know enough about many of the other creatures. Maybe readers with backgrounds from other traditions recognize the symbolisms? Also, I didn't recognize the proof from the Slug's thought balloon, and I've done a fair bit of math and theoretical computer science. Does anyone recognize it, or should I think of it as a symbol of the potential locked away in the Slug? I hope that in future issues Mori expands on the significance of all this. In case it isn't clear, this book is a must read. =================================================================== = From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: = Date: 7 Feb 93 22:42:39 GMT [So far the newserver has thrown this back three times. Must not like seafood.] In lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) writes: [Spoilers ahoy!] >I admit there are parts of this I just don't understand. For >example, it's clear that the dolphins represent the three wise men >from the birth of Christ story, but I don't know enough about many of >the other creatures. Maybe readers with backgrounds from other >traditions recognize the symbolisms? As I've stated in previous discussions, my training in both theology and ichthyology is somewhat limited. However, this story seemed to be packed with biblical references and not all of them made sense. For example that large, blackish grouper that appears at the bottom of page 21 is the Wandering Jewfish. He appeared way back in a Golden Age Cephalopodic Cavalcade Special. (I forget the exact number. tyg?) At the time he tormented SS who was being slowly killed in one of Dr Calamari's fiendish death traps. (Again I can't recall, but I believe it was the Octopus Pot of Garlicky Death.) Great Father Poseidon cursed him to forever wander the bottom of the ocean until SS should truly die. If you look very closely, you may also recognize The Prodigal Sunfish. This is very odd. As far as I can remember, he never appeared in an actual SS story. There was, however, a Squiddie's Sea Tales from the Bible, that was to be handed out to Sunday school by a catechism guild. I believe that one of the stories was The Prodigal Sunfish. BTW, this is a very rare comic. It received very harsh criticism when first released and most copies where dumped at sea. I believe a cache of 25 were found in a file cabinet in St Paul and these are the only known remaining copies. On the same page, on panel 2, in the upper right is Barabbas the Barracuda. Barabbas was originally a bad Mr T clone that showed up as part of the very shortlived SeaTeam. However, I think in a flashback, his past was retconned to show how he had met Squiddie when the two were trapped in a Japanese tuna fleets nets. Only one could be freed in time, so Barabbas was freed and Squiddie was left to face the Yellow Hook. (Note: due to protests over the name and racial stereotypes, the Hook later became the Seafood Samurai. Ugh.) There are several others. All in all, I found it quite confusing and perhaps a little heavyhanded. >Also, I didn't recognize the proof from the Slug's thought balloon, >and I've done a fair bit of math and theoretical computer science. >Does anyone recognize it, or should I think of it as a symbol of the >potential locked away in the Slug? It looks very familiar, but I haven't had a chance to look it up in Bartlett's Familiar Equations yet. Perhaps after I finish up this post I can troop over to the math library and see if I can find it. It might also be in the Oxford Equation Dictionary. >I hope that in future issues Mori expands on the significance of all >this. Mori likes dropping these little clues and then coming back to them later. I'd expect we will see a lot of this developed if the sales are enough to finance future books. >In case it isn't clear, this book is a must read. Most definitely. If nothing else, a new squid title always brings out several interesting discussions in this group. I just hope we don't have to go through the r.a.c.squid debate again. =================================================================== = From: valmont@hardy.u.washington.edu (Monsieur de Valmont) = Message-ID: <1l4qpaINNfdh@shelley.u.washington.edu> = Date: 8 Feb 93 05:23:54 GMT In article lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes: > >In lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary >Lewandowski [TSoD]) writes: >>I admit there are parts of this I just don't understand. For >>example, it's clear that the dolphins represent the three wise men >>from the birth of Christ story, but I don't know enough about many >>of the other creatures. Maybe readers with backgrounds from other >>traditions recognize the symbolisms? > >As I've stated in previous discussions, my training in both theology >and ichthyology is somewhat limited. However, this story seemed to be >packed with biblical references and not all of them made sense. I don't really think, in a broader sense, that we're SUPPOSED to be able to get any literal interpretation out of them. I think what we're supposed to be seeing here is a reflection of Squiddy's own confusion about his personal feelings regarding religion. In a sense, it's a more symbolic means of expressing the same confusion we were seeing at the end of the last series. Now, some have said on SQUID-L that this is a more ham-handed and amateurish way of handling the issue, but I kind of liked it -- I think some newer readers might find it more accessable. >For example that large, blackish grouper that appears at the bottom >of page 21 is the Wandering Jewfish. He appeared way back in a Golden >Age Cephalopodic Cavalcade Special. (I forget the exact number. tyg?) Well, it has to have been before the epic three-parter in #23-26 -- because if you remember, at the end of that story, the Wandering Jewfish DIES. So either a.) that wasn't really the Wandering Jewfish, but just a similar character design (Mori's been known to reuse costume designs before -- remember that Dr. Calimari's newer costume first appeared on one of his henchmen), or b.) TWJ has been brought back to life, or c.) he wasn't "really" dead, or d.) it's a retcon. (I'm really hoping it isn't, and you'd think Mori would have learned from the continuity problems that plagued the last series. >At the time he tormented SS who was being slowly killed in one of Dr >Calamari's fiendish death traps. (Again I can't recall, but I believe >it was the Octopus Pot of Garlicky Death.) Great Father Poseidon >cursed him to forever wander the bottom of the ocean until SS should >truly die. This is correct. I checked back issues. Interestingly, it was the first time we'd seen the OPoGD since it was introduced in the Suicide Squid Summer Fun Special #2. >If you look very closely, you may also recognize The Prodigal >Sunfish. This is very odd. As far as I can remember, he never >appeared in an actual SS story. There was, however, a Squiddie's Sea >Tales from the Bible, that was to be handed out to Sunday school by a >catechism guild. I believe that one of the stories was The Prodigal >Sunfish. BTW, this is a very rare comic. It received very harsh >criticism when first released and most copies where dumped at sea. I >believe a cache of 25 were found in a file cabinet in St Paul and >these are the only known remaining copies. THANK you. I'd been trying to track this character down, as the sidelong glance Squiddy gives him (on page 5, panel 8) is CLEARLY one of recognition, but I'd never seen the character before, and couldn't find any mention of any sunfish in Elmo's annotations. Are there any chances this will get reprinted someday? I know that the other religious series (I have a copy of "Suicide Squid Enlightens the Student to the Tao through Non-Action," but it's in really bad shape) are still tied up in legal problems over the rights. I'm glad he's giving long-time fans a look at these old characters, but I really think that if they become at all important, it's going to make the series a lot less accessible to new readers. (I know I keep harping on that, but it's HARD to try and explain to a friend, for example, the complex relationship of respect and revenge between SS and Dr. Calamari, if they don't have the patience to read through all the phonebooks. >On the same page, on panel 2, in the upper right is Barabbas the >Barracuda. Barabbas was originally a bad Mr T clone that showed up >as part of the very shortlived SeaTeam. However, I think in a >flashback, his past was retconned to show how he had met Squiddie >when the two were trapped in a Japanese tuna fleets nets. Only one >could be freed in time, so Barabbas was freed and Squiddie was left >to face the Yellow Hook. (Note: due to protests over the name and >racial stereotypes, the Hook later became the Seafood Samurai. Ugh.) Hey, Seafood Samurai isn't a bad name. I really think the series SHOULD lose some of the racist aspects that were part of the original run; they may have been appropriate for the times, but it's not today. The *only* time I've been really upset about the change is with the reprinting of the "Suicide Squid Wraps up the Japs" storyline as the "Suicide Squid Works Out His Differences With Those of Asian Origins" graphic novel which, aside from the title, had a poorly-done relettering job to change the Yellow Hook's name to Seafood Samurai throughout, apparently using a thick red Magic Marker. I don't think it's appropriate to change the original work like that just to appease the PC crowd who aren't willing to look at the historical context. >There are several others. All in all, I found it quite confusing and >perhaps a little heavyhanded. > >>Also, I didn't recognize the proof from the Slug's thought balloon, >>and I've done a fair bit of math and theoretical computer science. >>Does anyone recognize it, or should I think of it as a symbol of the >>potential locked away in the Slug? > >It looks very familiar, but I haven't had a chance to look it up in >Bartlett's Familiar Equations yet. Perhaps after I finish up this >post I can troop over to the math library and see if I can find it. >It might also be in the Oxford Equation Dictionary. I really thought somebody would have recognized this by now. It's Maxwell's Equations. Of course, what the significance of it is in this context eludes me, but I've heard it suggested that it was meant simply as a symbolic counterpoint to the religious references -- namely, just a throwaway scientific reference with no other relevance. Frankly, I don't buy it, as Mori is usually more careful than this -- he usually has SOMETHING in mind, although we may not find out about it for months. *sigh* >>I hope that in future issues Mori expands on the significance of all >>this. > >Mori likes dropping these little clues and then coming back to them >later. I'd expect we will see a lot of this developed if the sales >are enough to finance future books. Is that still in question? I thought they'd found a backer now that the lawsuit is over and done with. >>In case it isn't clear, this book is a must read. Oh, yeah. This one went straight into a Mylite in my collection. >Most definitely. If nothing else, a new squid title always brings out >several interesting discussions in this group. I just hope we don't >have to go through the r.a.c.squid debate again. Especially after the flameage we got from news.groups readers when we redirected followups there too soon. *shudder* Besides, if what you say is true, and the future of the title's in question, it may not be around long enough to really warrant it's own newsgroup. =================================================================== = From: mkelly@ovid.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) = Message-ID: <1993Feb8.145241.20170@news.nd.edu> = Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1993 14:52:41 GMT valmont@hardy.u.washington.edu (Monsieur de Valmont) writes: |>I really thought somebody would have recognized this by now. It's |>Maxwell's Equations. Of course, what the significance of it is in |>this context eludes me, but I've heard it suggested that it was |>meant simply as a symbolic counterpoint to the religious references |>-- namely, just a throwaway scientific reference with no other |>relevance. |> |>Frankly, I don't buy it, as Mori is usually more careful than this |>-- he usually has SOMETHING in mind, although we may not find out |>about it for months. *sigh* Okay, I was conervsing with Elainie McMichaels (SSquids letterer, and Mori's sometimes lover [how did he ever get her away from Sim??]) over on GENIE and here is the scoop. Of course I recognized Maxwell's Eqs., even though they were disguised in Lagrangian covariant form. I asked McMichaels why the slug would bother with a Lagrangian density when the more familiar geometrical forms would do, unless of course it was to save room for the art? Her response: It seems that she and Mori have been working their way through some field theory texts and have decided to use the slug as a sort of Melmoth type character. There were also a few hints that the slugs postulation of electric charge --> Maxwell eqs. may imply the introduction of a new undersea nemesis for the ten tentacled avenger of the deep. =================================================================== = From: faber@loon.cs.wisc.edu (Ted) = Message-ID: = Date: 8 Feb 93 17:11:21 GMT valmont@hardy.u.washington.edu (Monsieur de Valmont) writes: >I really thought somebody would have recognized this by now. It's >Maxwell's Equations. Of course, what the significance of it is in >this context eludes me, but I've heard it suggested that it was meant >simply as a symbolic counterpoint to the religious references -- >namely, just a throwaway scientific reference with no other >relevance. Not *quite*. Notice that the fourth equation (and its derivation) are slightly different than Maxwell's formulation and conclusion. There's a sign change in the displacement current in the fourth equation, which changes things. I haven't worked out the details of how this affects EM field theory in the SS world, but it should be interesting. And one wonders what the thematic significance of this small but probably crucial difference is. I hope the guys from sci.physics are as helpful here as they've been in the past. >Frankly, I don't buy it, as Mori is usually more careful than this -- >he usually has SOMETHING in mind, although we may not find out about >it for months. *sigh* We *can* always wait for this, but you know how hard it is to wait. Anyone catch the tip of the hat to DC's Vertigo line on p.32? =================================================================== = From: jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) = Message-ID: <1993Feb8.173511.25995@julian.uwo.ca> = Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1993 17:35:11 GMT In article lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes: >It looks very familiar, but I haven't had a chance to look it up in >Bartlett's Familiar Equations yet. Perhaps after I finish up this >post I can troop over to the math library and see if I can find it. >It might also be in the Oxford Equation Dictionary. You may want to be careful with that little piece of code. I gave it to a programmer I know,and the next day we found him in front of his workstation, babbling in what later turned out to be Sumerian. He somehow managed to kill the OS of the mainframe he was on, too. =================================================================== = From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) = Message-ID: <1993Feb8.200741.21831@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> = Date: 8 Feb 93 20:07:41 GMT In article , lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) writes: >After months of legal battles, Suicide Squid returns in a special >edition that hit the stands yesterday, and it was certainly worth the >wait. Mori makes a triumphant return as the writer (and >self-publisher) of the book and Sakanaumi's art is amazing. Indeed! Ms. Sakanumi is very good at changing styles to adapt to the story at hand. Note the delicate pencils and the wide open panels of the "Wandering Jewfish" sequence, and contrast them to the *very* intense "Cyborg" sequence. Aside: I was told that Sakanumi had said in an interview that she had studied draftmanship under Masamune Shirow (or whatever his real name is). Would explain some things in the Cyborg sequence, to say the least. Now if only some company brought to the US her classic manga "Wind in the Clouds, Breeze in the Sea". (One can only hope...) I won't even try to get into Mori's religious symbolism. I see that thread is going on just fine. P.S. Any idea what the Black Ink Irregulars are up to with that diving expedition? =================================================================== = From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) = Message-ID: = Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1993 02:06:07 GMT Hmm. I thought it was clear they were acquiring the squid token they used later in the issue. Mind you, I *don't* know how they knew it was there. Has anyone seen the token before? (I'm beginning to think we need to do an annotation for this issue.) =================================================================== = From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) = Message-ID: <1993Feb9.013842.28436@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> = Date: Tue, 9 Feb 93 01:38:42 GMT lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) writes: >After months of legal battles, Suicide Squid returns in a special >edition that hit the stands yesterday . . . I think we got all the spoilers out, but if you consider symbolism and Eastern religions as spoilers you may want to bug out now . . . >I admit there are parts of this I just don't understand. For >example, it's clear that the dolphins represent the three wise men >from the birth of Christ story, but I don't know enough about many of >the other creatures. Maybe readers with backgrounds from other >traditions recognize the symbolisms? It's always amazed me that nobody has done a serious look at the Ten Tentacled Avenger and Eastern religion/philosophy/style. This is off the top of the head, but will have to do (advance apologies for any misconceptions on my part) until we get a real scholar to dig into it. Squiddie himself has always been an uneasy amalgam of eastern and western philosophies, religions, and cultures. It starts right from the physical body and extends all the way out. Consider the basic body form. In the "classic" squid we have eight roughly equal tentacles with two large gripping tentacles. The eight tentacles represent the Buddhist Eight-Fold way, while the two grippers represent the dualisms that are at the center of most western cultures. It's worth noting that as his natures has switched back and forth between the two, the relative masses of the two tentacle type have done the same (especially when Sakanaumi is drawing, tho Ditko clearly used the same method). Mori reveals his own attitude in the epic battles with Doctor Calamari. Calamari can be caught but not held by the pair, while the eight can hold but not capture. A different set of religions attitudes come from Sam and Sara the Salmon ("samsara"). They turn up at the oddest moments to suggest some sort of deception, usually involving illusion. Some have called them a "deux ex pescado", but there is a Sanscrit phrase more appropriate (sorry, don't have a mime-compliant news poster). A few moments with a good encyclopaedia will find it for you -- or you could read the Fire Sermon from "Lord Of Light" by Roger Zelazny, spoken (not by co-incidence) by Great-Souled Sam. Some other highlights -- the regrowth of tentacles parallels reincarnation; the ink is the inverse of the clear water (see Dostoevsky "Notes From Underground", but think "Undersea"); and there is the endless rising from the dead of every character you care to name. Gary mentioned the three dolphins, but I think he's looking a bit too close to home -- note the dialog closely and you'll see they're female. =================================================================== = From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: = Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1993 03:27:31 GMT In article lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) writes: >Hmm. I thought it was clear they were acquiring the squid token they >used later in the issue. Mind you, I *don't* know how they knew it >was there. Has anyone seen the token before? (I'm beginning to >think we need to do an annotation for this issue.) If you look closely, the token looks a lot like the key to Davy Jones' Locker that was the center element to "Seas of Mist" storyline from SS's DC days. I believe it was a Dave McKean design originally. Anyway, I'm not sure if this is intentional or just an offhanded acknowledg- ment of Squiddie's long and turbulent past. As you know, at the end of the "Seas" story, the key went back to Old Father Poseidon. I can't imagine him losing it again after what he and Squiddie had to go through to get it back. =================================================================== = From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: = Date: 9 Feb 93 04:34:23 GMT In <1l4qpaINNfdh@shelley.u.washington.edu> valmont@hardy.u.washington.edu (Monsieur de Valmont) writes: >In article lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance >"Squiddie" Smith) writes: >>... > >Well, it has to have been before the epic three-parter in #23-26 -- >because if you remember, at the end of that story, the Wandering >Jewfish DIES. > >So either a.) that wasn't really the Wandering Jewfish, but just a >similar character design (Mori's been known to reuse costume designs >before -- remember that Dr. Calimari's newer costume first appeared >on one of his henchmen), or b.) TWJ has been brought back to life, or >c.) he wasn't "really" dead, or d.) it's a retcon. (I'm really >hoping it isn't, and you'd think Mori would have learned from the >continuity problems that plagued the last series. Quite frankly, the Wandering Jewfish story is a mess. They tried to turn him into The Phantom Angler and then The Phantom Anglerfish. Then they claimed The Phantom Anglerfish had originally been an angel fish. At this point, I just can't follow it anymore. It's worse than Wolverine's past. All I know is that it looks a lot like the Wandering Jewfish. >>There was, however, a Squiddie's Sea Tales from the Bible, > > Are there any chances this will get reprinted someday? Oddly enough, Squiddie's Sea Tales from the Bible has already been reprinted once. However, the reprint is almost as rare as, or perhaps rarer than the original. Sea Tales was to be reworked to include standard Bible stories with like sea themes, like Jonah and the Whale. The issue was written and pencilled, but never inked or published due to the guild treasurer losing all of the guild's money in a month's worth of Thurday night bingo. When the cache of Sea Tales was found, the revised version was also found. Rights for the original version and the more orthodox version were sold to the Premium Comics Company that planned to reprint it as the start of their Lost Treasures of the Golden Age series. The books were printed and distributed when the writer and penciller got a court injunction to stop Premium. Turns out that the creators had never been payed and so they still owned their work. Copies were pulled off of shelves and in many cases right out of the hands of potential buyers. Due to poor publicity and a confusing cover design, initial sales had been slow. Nearly all of the first print was returned to Premium where it was confiscated and burned by the authorities. Still other issues have fallen apart due the to poor quality paper and staples used by Premium. It is estimated that only 20 readable copies still exist. I had to trade my copy of The Cowboy Wally Show in order to get one. >>I'd expect we will see a lot of this developed if the sales are >>enough to finance future books. > >Is that still in question? I thought they'd found a backer now that >the lawsuit is over and done with. They thought they had, but last I heard it had fallen through. They were approached by a group that wanted to fund the project in exchange for use of Suicide Squid as a team mascot of a Formual One powerboat entry. This was to be a one year deal with the option of extension depending on how long the team was a going concern. After some investigation, it turned out that the team and their manager were just fronts for a large corporation that was hoping to gain control of SS for an advertising campaign. The Lilith Corporation were going to use Squiddie as a cartoon spokescephalopod for Aunt Maria's Frozen Calamari Treats. Much like the old Charlie the Tuna ads, Squiddie would attempt to have Aunt Maria kill him only to be told he wasn't good enough for her special treats. Needless to say when all of this was revealed the ink really hit the turbines. Last I heard Exxon wanted to sponsor the book to improve their image with the environmentalists. We'll just have to wait and see. =================================================================== = From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Elmo Moore) = Message-ID: <1993Feb8.230913.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> = Date: 9 Feb 93 05:09:13 GMT valmont@hardy.u.washington.edu (Monsieur de Valmont) writes: >lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes: >>In lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary >>Lewandowski [TSoD]) writes: >>>... >>If you look very closely, you may also recognize The Prodigal Sunfish. > >THANK you. I'd been trying to track this character down, as the >sidelong glance Squiddy gives him (on page 5, panel 8) is CLEARLY one >of recognition, but I'd never seen the character before, and couldn't >find any mention of any sunfish in Elmo's annotations. Hmm...Lance's original annotation was included in Annotated Suicide Squid Cosmic Mutant Pin-up Angst Special #4, but the archive release is 3.14.159 and the one I have on hand is 4.1.7; I'll make the necessary changes, and thanks. >>>Also, I didn't recognize the proof from the Slug's thought balloon, > >I really thought somebody would have recognized this by now. It's >Maxwell's Equations. No, it's not; Maxwell's equations are invariant under Poincare' transformations, including the Lorentz boost clearly seen in line 3. It looks more to me like quantum cephalohydrodynamics. =================================================================== = From: silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage) = Message-ID: = Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1993 20:24:28 GMT Uh, yeah. Um... Er... Uh huh. Ok. -Darkmage, the Clueless Wonder =================================================================== = From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) = Message-ID: = Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 15:29:40 GMT In silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage) writes: >Uh, yeah. Um... Er... Uh huh. Ok. Oh yes, I can see how the issue would be confusing to newer readers. Luckily, there is a Suicide Squid Sampler that provides most of the background information you would need to enjoy the book without buying all the back issues. Your local store should have copies. =================================================================== = From: silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage) = Message-ID: = Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 05:34:34 GMT In lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes: >If you look closely, the token looks a lot like the key to Davy >Jones' Locker that was the center element to "Seas of Mist" storyline >from SS's DC days. I believe it was a Dave McKean design originally. No, no, no, no, no. Apparently that was a coloring error... It _is_ the squid token; this issue is *full* of mistakes, fansquids. If you look closely at the next page, second panel, you can see the *outline* of the token flying through the air into the sea... Now go back to the diving scene... They go down after the token in the *3rd* panel. They were supposed to be facing each other, but the publishers apparently didn't read the layouts... They stuck in that stupid "Now _YOU_ can have bulging muscles, just like me!" ad in the wrong spot, and screwed up what should have been a beautiful 2-page spread. >Anyway, I'm not sure if this is intentional or just an offhanded >acknowledgment of Squiddie's long and turbulent past. As you know, at >the end of the "Seas" story, the key went back to Old Father >Poseidon. I can't imagine him losing it again after what he and >Squiddie had to go through to get it back. Actually, (spoiler alert!) (I hope that worked...) They _do_ lose the key again, but not for another 2-3 issues. =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) = Message-ID: = Date: 11 Feb 93 03:48:16 GMT In article leekil@bbn.com (Lee Kilpatrick) writes: >So is the Heckler "new" or some sort of ret-con? He's an extremely poorly done retcon of the Byrne-Miller version of Suicide Squid. "The t-shirt of crime bears bitter Fruit-of-the-Loom" --Eddie Maise (shirts being printed as we speak btw) =================================================================== = From: cwagner@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Christian Wagner) = Date: 11 Feb 1993 05:36:26 GMT = Message-ID: <1lcokqINNdqv@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> In article <1993Feb8.200741.21831@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes: >to the *very* intense "Cyborg" sequence. Aside: I was told that >Sakanumi had said in an interview that she had studied draftmanship >under Masamune Shirow (or whatever his real name is). Would explain >some things in the Cyborg sequence, to say the least. Look closely in the third panel of the second page of the "Cyborg" sequence. Amongst the debris on the sea bottom, buried in the ooze, is a very familiar-looking mini-tank....... I wonder how Leona let 'im get that way..... >Now if only some company brought to the US her classic manga "Wind in >the Clouds, Breeze in the Sea". (One can only hope...) Well, it was -said- that Viz was going to translate it and publish it here in the US, but when Sakanumi saw the first couple of colorized pages she blanched, and pulled the plug on the project. I saw a color xerox of the colorized version of the first "Initiation" sequence, the one with the Buddhist imagery, and all of the background detail, with the runic lettering, had been rendered completely unreadable. Let's just hope that Studio Proteus can pick it up; this would be at -least- as difficult a translation job as Shirow's "Orion", but it should turn out better, as it lacks the multiple meanings and name puns that "Orion" is full of. But I'd hate to have to see how they'd manage to explain the Tao concepts presented in part two; God knows enough -philosophers- have enough problems trying to interpret the Tao Te Ching... =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) = Message-ID: = Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1993 04:22:27 GMT Having had it confirmed with tonight's episode of Bob (pause for everyone to work the SubGenius comments out of their systems. Done now? Good.) that Mark is involved with the show at some level (and for this particular episode, he wrote it), I'd like to get in touch with him ASAP in order to try to get the Chad character to wear a Suicide Squid shirt before filming ends for this season. While I have his snailmail address around somewhere, it's buried under stuff in preparation for my upcoming move. Assuming he's still active on Compu$erve, I'd appreciate it if someone who's on there could email me his address for this purpose. I should note that I've met Mark several times and been over to his house once for a CAPA-Alpha get-together while I was in LA, and that he did remember me at last year's San Diego, as well as that I've not abused other such addresses in the past, including an entire directory for the SF Writers of America membership. In other words, I'm not going to abuse this. =================================================================== = From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R. Henry) = Message-ID: = Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1993 23:12:31 GMT ... >Galactulus? No, you're thinking of the cosmic octopus, Galactupus, from the Suicide Squid comic book -- especially the famous three issue arc, "This Can, this Tuna," which included the introduction of the Golden Grouper. ... =================================================================== = From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Lazarus ChurchGlenn) = Message-ID: <1993Feb12.193127.13367@midway.uchicago.edu> = Date: 12 Feb 93 19:31:27 GMT In article lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) writes: >Luckily, there is a Suicide Squid Sampler... But don't let them charge you for it! The Sampler (and SS #0, BTW) were sent to the shops free, to be distributed for free, but many shops hoarded them to be sold at exorbitant rates later! It was almost as bad as the Death of Suicide Squid disaster, though at least they didn't raise their prices the same day! I think the color sampler's a little easier to find than the b/w one. Good Luck! ... =================================================================== = From: wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald) = Message-ID: <1993Feb15.195456.7940@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> = Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 19:54:56 GMT Look, I'm tired of hearing people complaining about this! As our own Scowling Jim would no doubt point out, you people just don't understand what it means to run a business. One more time: stores that carried the special polyp-bagged version of the Suicide! story took a calculated gamble; they had no way of knowing whether they could actually sell twenty pounds of fresh squid meat *per copy*. Most of them aren't even set up with refrigeration cases, so this display cost them extra. The only reason they even went through this is that they knew they could make up the cost by selling the special issue to collectors, who were perfectly happy to pay the cost. In come a bunch of squidboys who wouldn't even *think* about buying their own squid, and yet expect a comic store owner to just swallow it so they can get a special whose contents are no different from the issue that'll appear in newsstands and fish stores in a week. Sorry for the rant, but you really have to think of this from the retailer's point of view. =================================================================== = From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) = Message-ID: = Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1993 22:59:12 GMT I got my special issue for free. Sorta. 100 pounds of squid is a *lot* of squid. (They gave me a good rate on it though. I think.) =================================================================== = From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (St. Elmo's Day Massacre) = Message-ID: <1993Feb15.204323.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> = Date: 16 Feb 93 02:43:23 GMT = Subject: Re: SQUIDDIES silliness In article , lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes: > >>Smith, Lance (Squiddie) 9 >>Meyer, Jeff (Moriarty) 8 >>Morrow, Greg (Elmo) 8 > >Is it just me or does this sound like a really pathetic superhero team? > >"Quick! To the terminals! There's posting to be done!" Gee whiz, Squidman! "Post an article to catch an article"? You're brilliant! And Captain Moriarty, standing there ready to satirize mercilessly? I'm so inspired! =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: = Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1993 17:21:37 GMT Presenting the results of the 1992 Alternative Squiddies, the less serious and more net.oriented awards of r.a.c.*. Also featuring categories and winners made up by you, the voters. Due to length, there will be four posts with the results ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Best Net.Character: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 wReam (whaddya mean he's real?) 1 Old Comics Man 1 Greg Morrow (I don't seriously believe he exists;)) 1 Spelling Boy 2 Richard Darwin 3 Marc Lynx 7 Mr. Peanut 12 Suicide Squid ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Body Part You'd Give To Have A Copy Of Cowboy Wally Show: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ... "Suicide Squid's left tentacle. No, his *left* tentacle. Okay, the *other* left tentacle. *FINE!* Take them *all!*" ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Zombie Thread Award: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ... 1.5 Suicide Squid ... =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) = Message-ID: = Date: 19 Feb 93 04:25:04 GMT In article <1993Feb19.015520.4219@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes: > I would like the net to know that I walked into a comic shop in a > City Which Shall Be Unnamed (not in my home state) and asked if they > had a [Cowboy Wally Show]. The answer was Yes. List price. No, > only one copy. OK, so you've managed to take care of college tuition for *one* of the kids. I know there's at least one more you need to find a copy for. [side note: Steve is my role model for corrupting my niece. His kids were asking me for Suicide Squid shirts of their very own.] =================================================================== = From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) = Message-ID: <1993Feb20.013839.11725@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> = Date: 20 Feb 93 01:38:39 GMT ... "And the 1993 Acadamy Award for `Best Music In An Animated Feature' goes to Suicide Squid and Mr. Peanut for the title song in `Shellfish Love'." =================================================================== = From: kogutt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (SCAV TREK) = Message-ID: <1993Feb21.095832.18920@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> = Date: 21 Feb 93 09:58:32 GMT Does anyone know a Jhemon Lee from Baltimore? In the Letter Col in Feb.'s Dark Horse Comics Insider, he mentions the Suicide Squid! As an example of the paltry letter cols. we often see (say in LSH, or X-Men) he says, "...(e.g.,"Suicide Squid is WAY COOL! AWESOME! Especialy his big guns!")". Wierd, huh? =================================================================== = From: silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu (Darkmage) = Date: 22 Feb 1993 06:30:25 GMT = Message-ID: <1m9ru1INNik3@calvin.NYU.EDU> Hhhhhhmmm... another net.lurker? *8-) Jhemon Lee, Show Thyself!! ;) =================================================================== = From: morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (Captain Elmo) = Date: 21 Feb 93 16:50:10 -0600 = Message-ID: <1993Feb21.165010.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> Yep, he used to net with an account on an NIH machine, but lost access a while back. (The "Contributors" section of the Annotated Sandman is great for locating addresses....) =================================================================== = From: mkelly@ovid.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) = Message-ID: <1993Feb23.180250.4755@news.nd.edu> = Date: 23 Feb 93 18:02:50 GMT = Subject: Re: Stanley & His Monster #3 fyfesh@lafcol.lafayette.edu (Fyfe Stewart) writes: ... |> I'm wondering what the words around Remiel's head says when he |> comes up through the floor. |> |> "Die dulce fruere" Actually this is a hint about the upcoming Vertigo/Suicide-Squid crossover in the summer of '93. Dulcy Fruer was the Golden Age Suicide Squid's mercenary friend who was supposedly sacrificed himself to detonate an experimental German intercontinental missile. In a recent Previews interview with Mori and Gaiman, they described how Dulcy Fruer spent thirty-odd years in Hell before escaping with Stanley's Monster (as a pure mental construct). It is Dulcy's influence which causes the Monster to act good. Apparantly Foglio was a little pissed about not getting to use Death, Dream, or John Constantine, so he let the cat out of the bag about Dulcy. It seems that Remiel knows about Dulcy, and that Stanley's Monster is going to be seperated from his psychic companion in #4. This will send the Monster back to his evil ways, along Monster and Nyx to go on a killing spree in the non-vertigo summer annuals, where they will be hunted by Lobo. The letterer should have had Remiel's balloon saying "Die, Dulcy Fruer!" =================================================================== = From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: = Date: 25 Feb 93 04:23:23 GMT = Subject: Re: 1992 Alternative Squiddies (#1 of 4) In article tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) writes: >I felt like mentioning it because I thought it was notable that, >despite being specifically mentioned in the ballot post as eligible >candidates, LNHers hardly got any votes at all. Sort of like >mentioning in the category before that one that Mr. Peanut .sigs >didn't do as well as some people expected they'd do. Gee, tyg. I wish you would stop pointing this out. The little nut took it kinda hard as it was. You have some sort of personal vendetta or something? ----------------------------- Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith | "Look, I'm sorry but you didn't win an A-Squiddie (lsmith@cs.umn.edu) | this year, OK? The Squid won. The Squid always I have always counted on | wins. Now leave me alone! That does it. Where's an unkindness of ravens | my hammer?" _A tyger's Tale_ =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) = Message-ID: = Date: 26 Feb 93 22:40:16 GMT Currently sitting out in my car are 197 2nd printing Suicide Squid t-shirts (why in the car? Because I'm moving tomorrow and bringing them into my current apartment just to move them out in 12 hours strikes me as a bit silly). The quality looks quite nice, and the one delivery I've already made was quite satisfied with them. The shirts will be mailed out over the first part of next week. People who ordered shirts should have received either a confirmation of address mail or mail indicating that I've yet to receive a check for your shirt. If not, please let me know. In particular, I've had problems reaching an order at firewind.uucp, so if you have another address or known path from a non-uucp site please email it to me along with your phone number. There will be some extras. I'll be posting about them in about two weeks after everything is mailed and sorted out. Do *not* email me with requests now about extras; I'll just delete the mail. When I post about the extras I'll give a few days for people to get in orders and then semi-randomly choose among them if demand exceeds supply (by semi-random, I plan to give some priority to those who don't currently have shirts). In other news, Squid shirts definitely will not be appearing on BOB this season as filming ended this week. If the show gets renewed for next season, I'll be seeing what I can do. A Squid shirt or two will be appearing on an episode of Prisoners of Gravity, an sf/comics show on TVOntario hosted by former Frantic Rick Green. There's a chance that shirt artist Ty Templeton may be appearing with the shirt. Unfortunately, according to my source, this will be rather appropriate wear for Rick as the show's being cancelled. =================================================================== = From: rschwabe@ravel.udel.edu (Robert Josep Schwabe) = Message-ID: = Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1993 17:46:36 GMT Yes as the Subject suggests, I have come up with the greatest, funniest, DC/Marvel crossover of all time. A battle of two giant gladiators who each have never been defeated (to the best of my knowledge) for long! Yes every one. ... LOBO VS. GROO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! written by Giffen and Aragonnes (sp?) drawn by Aragonnes, Bisley, and Foglio Hell I'll even letter it if they want (although my lettering sucks) Special appearances by: all of the Gods (from the recent Groo epic) Ambush Bug Vril Dox Kris "The Crusher" Kringle Guy Gardner Grooella Chakall Cerebus Suicide Squid Tenzel Kem (for the defense) Magna Khan Darkseid Don Martin LNH Spy vs Spy Alfred E. Newman The Mighty Magnor and anyone else you can think of!!!!! ... =================================================================== = From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Stanley and His Glennster) = Message-ID: <1993Mar1.222830.17857@midway.uchicago.edu> = Date: 1 Mar 93 22:28:30 GMT In article <1993Feb23.180250.4755@news.nd.edu> mkelly@ovid.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes: >|> "Die dulce fruere" > ... >In a recent Previews interview with Mori and Gaiman, they described >how Dulcy Fruer spent thirty-odd years in Hell before escaping with >Stanley's Monster (as a pure mental construct). It is Dulcy's >influence which causes the Monster to act good. Ah, but if the scuttlebutt is correct, the Dulcy's gone bad (must've been those 30-odd years in Hell) and will be riding hard after the Squid with Big Bad Guns and Hellfire (tm) with his new sidekick, the Banshee Sickening Sweet, with a smile that kills, (she's known to throw deadly smiley face ninja stars that explode on impact!). >Apparantly Foglio was a little pissed about not getting to use Death, >Dream, or John Constantine, so he let the cat out of the bag about >Dulcy. Not only that, but they wouldn't let him write the Squid Annual! >It seems that Remiel knows about Dulcy, and that Stanley's Monster is >going to be seperated from his psychic companion in #4. This will >send the Monster back to his evil ways, along Monster and Nyx to go >on a killing spree in the non-vertigo summer annuals, where they will >be hunted by Lobo. The showdown, where our Aquatic Avenger frags the Main Man, is rumoured to take place in the 7th Sphere, but the involvement of a certain Earth-pig Born is unconfirmed. Apparently the Death of Dark Dulcy reforms the Banshee and she opens up a flower shop in Seattle. >The letterer should have had Remiel's balloon saying "Die, Dulcy Fruer!" The colorist screwed up, too. It was supposed to mimic the patented pastels of Dulcy's word balloons. And the reference to the Squid was a typo, leftover from before they wrote in the Phantom Stranger. =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: = Date: 2 Mar 93 18:40:35 GMT In article <1993Feb28.175812.1928@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> p0g3@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (GALBRAITH Chris) writes: > Hareware #1 Obviously Milestone is trying to cash in on Suicide Squid with a cheap knockoff. This also raises questions about the independence of Milestone from DC and its corporate parent Warner Brothers, as the cybernetic rabbit looked and acted quite a bit like Bugs Bunny. To their credit, it did seem to be the Michael Maltese/Chuck Jones Bugs. There is no truth at all to the rumor that Hareware t-shirts will be available. Ever. =================================================================== = From: 003695s@dragon.acadiau.ca (Stephane Savoie) = Message-ID: <1993Mar2.195602.16963@dragon.acadiau.ca> = Date: 2 Mar 93 19:56:02 GMT ... Typo Lad let several issues of Suicide Squid, Sueing Sid Laud, and Sue Sides' Quad drop to the ground. "Um, sorri, Lust Kause Boi..." ... =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) = Message-ID: = Date: 3 Mar 93 04:10:08 GMT ... Starting Sunday, March 21st, Parker Lewis takes over the Sunday at 7:00 EST timeslot on Fox with 12 new episodes. At least this is still somewhat comics related, as so far Parker Lewis is the only television show to have people wear Suicide Squid t-shirts. Good show, and I strongly recommend it to people, particularly those being surveyed by a ratings service...:-) ... =================================================================== = From: lsmith@pico.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: = Date: 4 Mar 93 01:41:29 GMT In article tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) writes: >conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes: > >>In article <1993Mar2.173240.16966@cc.umontreal.ca>, >>royd@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Roy Daniel) writes: >>> >>> (Note (yet again): maybe it would be a good time to move to >>> alt.tasteless.jokes, or talk.bizarre; the net.inquisition might >>> give us trouble...) > >>[Dramatic music cues in, the door bursts open, and three men dressed >>in Jesuit frocks storm into the room] > >>Cardinal Moriarty: "NOOOOOBODY EXPECTS THE NET.INQUISITION!!!" >>Roy Daniel: "What th-" >>Cardinal Elmo: "Our weapons are an encyclopedic knowledge of >> comics, a fanatical devotion to Neil Gaiman, >> fancy red uniforms, and..." >>Cardinal Moriarty "Enough!" [to Roy] "We will extract a >> confession from you under penalty of death! >> Cardinal Galloway! Take this heathen to... >> The Comfy Chair!!!" > >>[The net.inquisition picks Roy up and storms out of the room] What? No Cardinal Squid? *sniff* ... =================================================================== = From: sirowe@pop.cis.yale.edu (Si Rowe) = Message-ID: = Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1993 03:42:58 GMT In article <1993Mar7.041749.16247@udel.edu>, mickey@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Mickey) wrote: > A question about Shade that I've never quite figured out (and I'm > curious, having read the current incarnation from issue one): > > I've heard tell of some continuity problem involving the original > Ditko Shade concept and the current Shade and somehow it involves > Suicide Squad. Could someone clear this up for me or point out what > the problem may be? (I've never read Suicide Squad...) Actually, you've made a common mistake. Shade never had anything to do with Suicide Squad; he did, however, show up in several issues of the '70s version of Suicide Squid. I'm not sure of the details (perhaps Lance can fill you in) but I do think that Shade saved Alonzo's life during the Return of Dr. Calamari storyline, and was also somehow involved in the beginning of Clarice's sex change. I think Alonzo's debt to Shade is one of the plot threads left dangling by the sudden cancellation of _Suicide Squid_ during the DC implosion; has this ever been resolved? =================================================================== = From: uplink@cwis.unomaha.edu (uplink 2099) = Message-ID: = Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1993 06:46:44 GMT Yes, please, after being of the LNH for a few months, I, too, have the desire to know JUST WHO IN THE HELL IS SUICIDE SQUID???? Although we did have a Champions game a while back where one of the players was a telepathic squid-type being... he, of course, got the nickname "suicide squid" after I called him that... but I got that name off of alt.comics.lnh! =================================================================== = From: Chagnon_A@msm.cdx.mot.com (Andrew Chagnon) = Message-ID: <1993Mar11.171638.11960@isunix.cdx.mot.com> = Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1993 17:16:38 GMT In article <1993Mar10.140755.24818@seas.gwu.edu> huyster@seas.gwu.edu (Huy T. Nguyen) writes: >Hi ya'all. I have an unusual question that I hope somebody out there >can answer (I'm not sure if it even pertains to this newsgroup but I >think it does). Does anybody out there know who/what Suicide Squid >is/may be? I'm serious now. Please, please e-mail me ANY information >you might have!!! My life sort of depends on it. ... Found this in rec.games.video... Would any kind soul wish to help this person out? =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: = Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1993 16:47:53 GMT ... And finally, on April 17th I'll be doing a dinner theater production of It's A Bird....It's A Plane...It's Superman in East Podunk, Iowa. Either that or I'll sign up Neil Gaiman's travel agent for a Suicide Squid t-shirt signing tour. =================================================================== = From: mkelly@ovid.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) = Message-ID: <1993Mar8.164532.16618@news.nd.edu> = Date: 8 Mar 93 16:45:32 GMT sirowe@pop.cis.yale.edu (Si Rowe) writes: ... |> Actually, you've made a common mistake. Shade never had anything to |> do with Suicide Squad; he did, however, show up in several issues |> of the '70s version of Suicide Squid. Whoa...I think you are talking about "Shad the Changing Fish" not Shade the Ditko creation. |> I'm not sure of the details (perhaps Lance can fill you in) but I |> do think that Shade saved Alonzo's life during the Return of Dr. |> Calamari storyline, and was also somehow involved in the beginning |> of Clarice's sex change. I think Alonzo's debt to Shade is one of |> the plot threads left dangling by the sudden cancellation of |> _Suicide Squid_ during the DC implosion; has this ever been |> resolved? This sounds suspiciously like the backup in "Forgotten Tales of the SSquid Corpse" #2 (of 4). =================================================================== = From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1993Mar14.174732.2103@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1993 17:47:32 GMT I was going to do this via email, but unfortunately there's this small matter of a blizzard having hit here yesterday. For whatever reason, I can't connect to my home system which has my email address aliases, and I won't be able to access that system for a week due to travel. The Squid shirts were mailed out over the course of Tuesday through Friday March 2nd through 5th. U.S. shirts went out priority mail, foreign shirts went air. I've received word that one has reached Australia. This is for all shirts for which I received payment for orders, save for Phil and David who I've not gotten an address confirmation (the latter due to being offnet, but if I'm wrong get in touch). As of Thursday, I learned that I'll be spending this upcoming week in Seattle. Combining that with the blizzard, I was unable to get out shirts to people who got my payment reminder and who have sent in checks. I'll only be getting back into Boston after the post office closes next Saturday, and will be leaving the next day for D.C.. Thus, those shirts won't be sent out until the first week of April, rather than this week as I'd planned. A couple of weeks after that (it looking like I'll be out of town those in-between weeks as well), I'll post about any leftovers available for purchase. Don't mail me about those now; I'll just ignore the msg. If you've not received your shirt(s) and should have, please let me know. There's nothing I can do about it until next weekend, so please wait until Friday before emailing me about it in case they show up by then. And, in case anyone's wondering, there are the following differences that I know of between the two runs; Ty's signature is in grey on run one, white on run two. "The seaweed of crime bears bitter sushi" is on two lines on run one, one line on run two. The credit line on run one is "a tyg-mm r.a.c. production" and "a tyg r.a.c. production" on run two. There is no truth to the rumor that I plan to toss limited gold edition polybagged with trading card and with prismatic lettering on the slogan t-shirts to crowds at the San Diego Con. Really, I don't know how these things get started. Maybe it was a typo or something. =================================================================== = From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) = Message-ID: <1993Mar15.011931.21951@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> = Date: 15 Mar 93 01:19:31 GMT I got my SS shirt last Tuesday, and have already worn it twice (Thursday is my laundry day...). An important word of warning on them: If you don't like walking around smelling rubber fumes all day, wash your shirt at LEAST twice before wearing (the first wash only lessened the smell slightly). Of course, this could be Authentic Diving Mask Smell to give the full undersea experience.... =================================================================== = From: tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) = Message-ID: = Date: 15 Mar 93 15:12:03 GMT References: <1993Mar7.041749.16247@udel.edu> <1993Mar8.164532.16618@news.nd.edu> Sender: usenet@news.cso.uiuc.edu (Net Noise owner) Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 46 mkelly@ovid.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes: >This sounds suspiciously like the backup in "Forgotten Tales of the >SSquid Corpse" #2 (of 4). Has that been reprinted anywhere yet? I'd love to add it to my collection. Why doesn't DC give us quality like that any longer? That's just what I thought when I saw all those copies of the Death of Superman TPB on the shelves. I'd much rather pay for those Silver Age Squid stories I so enjoyed, but didn't have the foresight to keep. I think they went in a yard sale when I was 11. Thank goodness I've learned since then, no? =================================================================== = From: jim@rand.org (Jim Gillogly) = Message-ID: <16545@rand.org> = Date: 15 Mar 93 22:04:40 GMT In article jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim W 'GrimJim' Lai) writes: >Speaking of which, what do people think of the current Shad >storyline? (For those of you who have missed this wonderful little >series, Shad was killed in issue #25 and was reborn when the Cloak of >Shadness was found and placed on a frozen piece of salmon. He is >currently rediscovering life, and Gack! Is this issue the single longest series of fish puns in literature? I confess I didn't get the "herring" one, though: was it just the standard "red herring" stuff playing on the Shad-ified salmon's color, or was it a reference to the second quest demanded by the Knights of Ni in MP and the Holy Grail, or something else that went totally over my head? >has run into a most formidable opponent: a man who tortures fish, >humans, and even the angels sent by Cod to reach the House of Chum.) Yawn. I'm ready to pack this one in -- I doubt that The Scaler (aka Mr. Flenser) can ever match the depth of sophisticatd evil we've come to expect from Dr. Calimari. But "de gustibus non disputandem est," I suppose. If you like fish puns, this is your meat... =================================================================== = From: mkelly@ovid.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) = Message-ID: <1993Mar11.160147.12061@news.nd.edu> = Date: 11 Mar 93 16:01:47 GMT uplink@cwis.unomaha.edu (uplink 2099) writes: |> Yes, please, after being of the LNH for a few months, I, too, have |> the desire to know JUST WHO IN THE HELL IS SUICIDE SQUID???? Hey...be kind. |> Although we did have a Champions game a while back where one of the |> players was a telepathic squid-type being... he, of course, got |> the nickname "suicide squid" after I called him that... but I got |> that name off of alt.comics.lnh! Well, he is a tradmarked character, but here are his stats for DC Heroes: --------------------- cut here --------------------------- From: morpheus@truebalt.caltech.edu (Dream of the Endless) I noticed a glaring omission in the recently-released DC Atlas, a Mayfair Games suppliment for the DC Heroes roleplaying game... No Squiddy Stats! So... ===================================================================== SUICIDE SQUID Dex 4 Str 8 Body 9 Int 4 Will 8 Mind 7 Infl 6 Aura 4 Spirit 4 Init 14 (16 underwater) Hero points 90 Powers: Analytical Smell/Tracking Scent: 6 Claws (beak): 7 Danger Sense (squidsense): 8 Darkness (ink): 10 Extra Limb (tentacles): 9 (x10) Gliding: 2 Growth: 5 Invulnerability: 15 Mind Field: 5 Regeneration: 4 Sealed Systems: 9 Speak with Animals: 10 Stretching: 2 Swimming: 7 Time Travel: 15 Water Freedom: 6 Skills: Animal Handling: 4 Scientist: 2 Vehicles (sea): 4 Limitations: Analytical Smell and Darkness only function underwater Growth is always on Speak with Animals only functions with marine life Advantages: AK: San Diego Harbor Connection: Aquaman (low) Silent Assistant (Clarice) Drawbacks: Serious Fear of Sushi Chefs Mistrust Catastrophic Physical Restrictions (he's a squid) Strange Appearance Unluck Loss Vulnerability, all powers and physical attributes, when out of water for more than 9 APs of time (his rank of Sealed Systems) Wealth: 0 ======================================================================= =================================================================== = From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) = Message-ID: <1993Mar15.230632.9484@netcom.com> = Date: 15 Mar 93 23:06:32 GMT jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim W 'GrimJim' Lai): >Speaking of which, what do people think of the current Shad >storyline? I'm not sure how viable the current run is going to be. This combination of Golden-Age optimisim and modern grimness-and-angst will require much better writing than the current team has shown itself to be capable of. For now, I'm hoping for the best: The return of the other characters in the Suicide-Squid universe can only mean that the parent title *is* being revived. Some specifics: pg 1: Gorgeous splash page! The art even redeems that offensive "he who smelt it" line. pg 3, panel 4: The power of the cloak begins to manifest itself: Note that Shad *always* has correct change! pg 7, panel 1: A reference to Mori. pg 8, panels 2 and 5: Note that the cloud has the form of a cloud of squid ink! A clear case of foreshadowing. pg 10: A major surprise. This title was supposed to be free of DC continuity. I wonder how they got Gaiman's permission. p 12, panel 3: That angel is anatomically correct, according to Milton. (In Paradise Lost, he explains that angels *do* have sex, but they do it through interanimation.) p 15, panel 4: A serious lapse of taste -- and one that would have been completely out of place in the Golden-Age title. p24: Talk about your cliffhangers! If this works, the title will be *well* worth following. =================================================================== = From: crimson@csi.compuserve.com (Mark "Crimson" Friedman) = Message-ID: = Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1993 14:51:09 GMT In article <1993Mar15.011931.21951@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) writes: ]I got my SS shirt last Tuesday, and have already worn it twice ](Thursday is my laundry day...). Well, say hey, I've worn each of my two shirts once each. Heck, if there were more colours than green and black, I'd probably have one for each day of the week! ;-) ]An important word of warning on them: Oh? ]If you don't like walking around smelling rubber fumes all day, wash ]your shirt at LEAST twice before wearing (the first wash only ]lessened the smell slightly). Awww, I thought this was a feature! I mean, smelling those fumes all day kinda makes you giddy: a definite mood-lifter in my book. And then my pupils started dilating and I began to feel like I was in a manga book... 8-) ... I'm still waiting for the Suicide Squid/Barbed Wire Armadillo/Zen Lemming crossover series! =================================================================== = From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (The Merchant of Menace) = Message-ID: <1993Mar15.224446.6744@sol.UVic.CA> = Date: Mon, 15 Mar 93 22:44:46 GMT Has anyone noticed that in an episode of Red Dwarf (5th season) there's a reference to Suicide Squid? =================================================================== = From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: = Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 03:06:05 GMT ... The other "alternative" versions of the Sandman issue are supposedly #18 and #19. The Wizard lists some copies #18 as having blue tint in the first three frames instead of the correct yellow. I don't think any other list acknow- ledges this as a rare issue, but the Wizard lists it at around $130. Since I have one of these "alternative" issues, I tend to think that the Wizard may be totally wrong here. (Hey, I've never owned anything rare other than my Suicide Squid shirt.) ... =================================================================== = From: jordan@castor (USENET's Chuck) = Message-ID: = Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 18:41:38 GMT >>Speaking of which, what do people think of the current Shad >>storyline? dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes: >I'm not sure how viable the current run is going to be. This >combination of Golden-Age optimisim and modern grimness-and-angst >will require much better writing than the current team has shown >itself to be capable of. Will you people just STOP complaining about the writing in SHAD and give the writers a little bit of willing suspension of disbelief? At first it was people complaining about the freshwater/saltwater issue, when it's obvious that the story exists in a kind of alternate universe, where there's no distinction between fresh and saltwater. Then, it was the complaints about all the "gratuitous" killing-off of the main characters. I can't think of a single unnecessary death. While the first page of the first issue in the "Dangerous Haddocks" storyline (the scene in the sushi bar) was a bit of a shock, I don't think it was gratuitious or just for shock value. >For now, I'm hoping for the best: The return of the other characters >in the Suicide-Squid universe can only mean that the parent title >*is* being revived. You think so? I think writers have done all they can with Suicide Squid. Anything released now would be just a silly parody. (Remember that embarassing Little Mermaid crossover?) >pg 3, panel 4: The power of the cloak begins to manifest itself: Note >that Shad *always* has correct change! This isn't the first time we've seen the cloak in action. Remember the scene at the end of last issue, when The Minnow is suddenly able to find the Chic-lets gum he was looking for? >pg 7, panel 1: A reference to Mori. Subtle! I didn't get this one. I assumed he was talking about the landlady from the last issue (wasn't her name Mrs Paul?) >pg 10: A major surprise. This title was supposed to be free of DC >continuity. I wonder how they got Gaiman's permission. I wonder why they picked such a pointless character to crossover! I would've at least thought they'd choose one of the Endless. On GEnie, Neil said that he'd been trying to find a way to work the Suicide Squid into his storyline for a while now, and was a little upset that he wasn't offered the chance of writing Shad. (Is the rumor true about his writing a fill-in issue?) I was more surprised (and disgusted) by the lame Image tie-in on page 9, panels 2-5. Having the salmon go upstream to read Todd McFarlane's book was just a little bit too obvious for me. >p 15, panel 4: A serious lapse of taste -- and one that would have >been completely out of place in the Golden-Age title. Lighten up! The Golden-Age books got risque every once in a while, although it was a little bit more subtle. I found a few issues in the dollar bins at a convention the other weekend, where SS was trapped in an aquarium for a few months, and Shelly started hanging around with a large sea cucumber. Very Freudian. >p24: Talk about your cliffhangers! If this works, the title will be >*well* worth following. I don't know. I don't think that this Benny Hana guy is that great a villain. Other than that, though, the writing seems to be improving. Is Shad going to be one of the books moving to DC's new Hydrophobia (Get Rabid!) imprint? =================================================================== = From: jwtlai@jeeves.uwaterloo.ca (Jim W 'GrimJim' Lai) = Message-ID: = Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 04:41:38 GMT Spoiler ahead: The angel was actually an angelfish! And now for the really nasty spoiler: Shad's alternate Sole-self appears again! =================================================================== = From: msuzio@tiamat.umd.umich.edu (Mike Suzio) = Date: 17 Mar 93 17:23:37 GMT = Message-ID: jordan@castor (USENET's Chuck) writes: >You think so? I think writers have done all they can with Suicide >Squid. Anything released now would be just a silly parody. >(Remember that embarassing Little Mermaid crossover?) When are you people going to stop blaming PAD for this? You have to know he didn't want to do it; I heard he was ordered by the editor to include Squiddie to help introduce the latest cross-over: The Squid Imperative. Given this kind of infringment on his artistic freedom, I don't blame him for what resulted. I heard he wanted to make things right by guest-starring Squiddy in the new Aquaman series, though - won't he have legal problems, though? I could swear Squiddy was under Marvel license still (I know I'm not up to date on Squid affairs - polybagged issues with real kelp turned me off). =================================================================== = From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) = Message-ID: = Date: 17 Mar 93 22:04:43 GMT All rights to Suicide Squid are currently owned by Alonzo Mori, after a lengthy legal battle. Prior to his regaining control, the rights to Suicide Squid were held jointly by several companies. Each of the companies tried to claim exclusive ownership, leading to a glut of Squid gimmick books and merchandise. In other words, he may appear in Aquaman, but if they call him Suicide Squid they'll be in copyright and trademark violation. =================================================================== = From: solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) = Message-ID: <1993Mar17.193852.9671@netcom.com> = Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 19:38:52 GMT In article <1993Mar11.160147.12061@news.nd.edu> mkelly@ovid.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes: >SUICIDE SQUID > >[...] > >Powers: >[...] > Extra Limb (tentacles): 9 (x10) Hoom. Surely SS has only 8 extra limbs, not 10? Yes, I know squids have ten tentacles; but I assume that the first two limbs are free, so only eight of the tentacles are "extra". (But I don't play DC Heroes, so whadda I know?) (Of course, tyg drew only 8 tentacles on the T-shirt, so perhaps we should assume that Mr. Squid lost two tentacles in a suicide attempt... which means he has only six extra limbs.) =================================================================== = From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: = Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 23:14:29 GMT In article <1993Mar17.193852.9671@netcom.com> solovay@netcom.com (Andrew Solovay) writes: >Hoom. Surely SS has only 8 extra limbs, not 10? Yes, I know squids >have ten tentacles; but I assume that the first two limbs are free, >so only eight of the tentacles are "extra". (But I don't play DC >Heroes, so whadda I know?) Well, six extra limbs, I think. You start with four. >(Of course, tyg drew only 8 tentacles on the T-shirt, so perhaps we >should assume that Mr. Squid lost two tentacles in a suicide >attempt... which means he has only six extra limbs.) Ok, here's the trick. Get out your Suicide Squid Shirt and put it on. Now ask an observer how many arms they see. When they say 8, raise your own arms and wave them about wildly. There. Now there are ten. (And while it was a tyg production, Ty Templeton did the design.) =================================================================== = From: mjann@hotcity.COM (Maureen Jann) = Message-ID: = Date: 18 Mar 93 19:03:05 PST What exactly IS Suicide Squid? =================================================================== = From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) = Message-ID: <1993Mar18.201540.21159@netcom.com> = Date: 18 Mar 93 20:15:40 GMT > Chapter 2: The Judge of All the Swimming Events > >...the black cloud looming over the mourners. This is one of the >continuing motifs of the series. If you'll look closely, you'll see that Haddie's fountain pen is leaking, as well. >pg 2, panel 1: The reason the cars look different is that they are >running on blocks of stressed ice, instead of wheels. (We learn in >issue 11 that this was the basis of Alonzo's fortune.) In the >background is an ice delivery truck. Note the star logo -- another >continuing motif. Even more important, note the name of the delivery company! "Taut Ice", as well as referring to the stressed ice, is an anagram of "Tau Ceti". >pg 4, panels 4-6: The children playing in the background present a >dramatic contrast to the funeral. Note that their side of the street >is still sunlit. No, it's sunlit because this is a *flashback*. We know that the scene is from at least ten years ago, because Franklin is still a young child. >pg 5: It is not clear how the fish-rights protesters knew about the >funeral. The focus of protest is not the funeral, but the delivery truck. Remember, the text backup explains that fishing trawlers have begun to freeze their catches inside blocks of stressed ice, so that the blocks can double as 'tires', thus substantially lowering delivery costs. >pg 6, panel 2: At least he didn't say "hand in hand in hand...." At this point, almost everybody believes it to be a suicide. >pg 23 -- text: We learn about Suicide Squid's WWII career, and his >subsequent 'deactivation' through hypnosis. The timing is about right: These documents would have just been declassified at the publication date shown. It's worth stressing that the admiral went to his death believing that there were *two* squids -- and that this was the reason for his sudden (involuntary) retirement. =================================================================== = From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: = Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 21:50:21 GMT In article <1ocr51INN9s3@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> ekushnir@math.lsa.umich.edu (Eugene Kushnirsky) writes: >(Does Voltaire belong on racm? Perhaps if Classics Illustrated did >Candide....) Didn't he do the script for an issue of Suicide Squid? Or is he one of the famous writers Todd McFarlane is bringing in to do Spawn after the BIG PENS issues are done? =================================================================== = From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: = Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1993 00:51:59 GMT In article <1993Mar19.175740.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> morrow@fnalf.fnal.gov (Ad Elmo Per Dolorem) writes: >Peter_A_David@cup.portal.com writes: >> ... > >You need to make your allusions to rac.misc more incontrovertible, >like, oh, just to pluck an example out of thin air, naming a >supporting mollusc in Aquaman "Elmo". But they might mistake it for the Sesame Street character of the same name. This is tricky stuff here. Really tricky. Maybe if he were to keep the mollusk named "Elmo" and throw in a zebra mollusk named "Dani" and a perhaps a few little squids... =================================================================== = From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) = Message-ID: = Date: 20 Mar 93 21:15:16 GMT > Chapter 5: "Radial Symmetry" > >This issue's motif is the 10-spoked wheel, and radial symmetry in >general. In both layout and content, as well. There is a recurring theme of events coming full circle. And note how in both the first page and the last, the distortion of the water makes it look as though the surrounding panels are bound to the central one by tentacles. >Page 3, panel 9: The "blot" symbol refers to Suicide Squid, of >course. No "of course" about it! You've missed the whole point of this issue. The main action in this issue is the capture of the Ruhr Shark. RS is a highly ambivalent character. He is a predator, but he only preys on other predators. Like them he is the product river pollution, but he has channeled the resulting ferocity to what he believes to be society's benefit. >Page 19 panel 6: On the table is "Under the Carapace". Doubly ironic, given that the Institute for Extraterrestrial Contact is actually a front for extraterrestrials. >Page 32: The layout of this page is identical to that of the first. Which leads into issue 6: Having gone full circle, we are now ready to explore the other alternative to the Ruhr Shark's dilemma. =================================================================== = From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Glenn With No Hats) = Message-ID: <1993Mar22.085149.14640@midway.uchicago.edu> = Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1993 08:51:49 GMT In article <1993Mar18.201540.21159@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes: >It's worth stressing that the admiral went to his death believing >that there were *two* squids -- and that this was the reason for his >sudden (involuntary) retirement. It's worth *stressing*?!? God, but I love dark humor.... I bet you wear fur, too. =================================================================== = From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) = Message-ID: = Date: 22 Mar 93 17:55:04 GMT Only baby-whale fur. =================================================================== = From: Si Rowe = Message-ID: <1993Mar22.093633.11068@news.yale.edu> = Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1993 09:36:33 GMT In article <1ojpkn$8rd@calvin.NYU.EDU> Darkmage, silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu writes: >>On the other hand, I don!t think I!d want to find out what a comics >>character named Josiah Peyton Rowe IV would be like... (Yep. That!s >>what !Si! is short for. You can see by the number that it!s a family >>curse.) > >Hey, little bird, what's up with the !s? *8-) Sorry-- I forgot to turn off the "smart quotes" on the word processor I use as a text editor, and for some reason the newsreader translated them into exclamation marks. I haven!t the slightest idea why. Pretty dumb for so-called smart quotes. 8>: ObComics (sorta): No, I wasn't trying to imitate Todd Klein's lettering for the folks from the Tau Ceti institute in _Shad the Changing Fish_. Their exclamation marks are sideways, anyway. =================================================================== = From: burns@latcs2.lat.oz.au (Jonathan Burns) = Message-ID: <1993Mar24.092148.25526@latcs1.lat.oz.au> = Date: 24 Mar 93 09:21:48 GMT In article <1993Mar18.201540.21159@netcom.com> dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes: > > At this point, almost everybody believes it to be a suicide. > >>pg 23 -- text: We learn about Suicide Squid's WWII career, and his >>subsequent 'deactivation' through hypnosis. Or we think we do... >The timing is about right: These documents would have just been >declassified at the publication date shown. Explaining why Squiddy goes right on believing that he was fighting on the other side. He's six feet under, and misses his own obituary. The tipoff is on pg 12, where we see not only a stylized squid in Prof. Molonglo's netsuke collection, but the prototypes for Zero Mosquito and Banzai Baboon. Up until now, the reader has been led to believe that the Disney propaganda cartoons were real events (apart from Mori's having to retcon Donald and Dumbo into Jet Jumbo and the Army Ducks). But how could the world have remained ignorant of this? This is the first hint that Squiddy's memories in _A Dream of Sinking_ are just a hypnotically implanted belief system. Molonglo's intention was that should he survive, he would either be forced to keep silent - or perform seppuku for failing the Emperor! >It's worth stressing that the admiral went to his death believing >that there were *two* squids -- and that this was the reason for his >sudden (involuntary) retirement. Ironically, when he makes Franklin turn down his transistor, it's playing the Beach Boys' _Suicide Squid_, then at the top of the charts. If he had listened... =================================================================== = From: "bill dehaan" = Message-ID: <199325.3680.7921@dosgate> = Date: 25 Mar 93 05:13:38 EST To all and sundry; Previous posts regarding the imminent demise the Prisoner's of Gravity TV show are now rendered inoperative. I was talking with Rick Green on Tuesday evening (I was lending him a Squid shirt for next week's taping), and got the latest on the show. ... =================================================================== = From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Little Big Glenn) = Message-ID: <1993Mar27.091043.21629@midway.uchicago.edu> = Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1993 09:10:43 GMT In article <1ovch0$n01@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> dbc3@po.CWRU.Edu (Damon B. Crumpler) writes: > >I agree. Maxx is tripe, but pretty good tripe, and worth reading. T'were the best of tripe, it were the worst of tripe. But wait'll you see the Messner-Loebs/Kieth launch of the Squiddyverse line, "Summer Squid", a fresh new crustacean star every week at only a dollar a pop! But will we see the Maxx crossover to the new anthology, "Saltier Cribbage"? I dunno... =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) = Message-ID: = Date: 30 Mar 93 04:21:10 GMT In article <93088.200235GPS108@psuvm.psu.edu> writes: > I love that song! :-) [1960s Spider-Man cartoon theme] Doing a dramatic reading of the lyrics works rather well as a comedy bit. Originated by Nick Pollata, co-author with Phil Foglio on Illegal Aliens, author of the Bureau 13 book series, and under a pseudonym author of the Satellite Night News series, I've stolen the concept myself once or twice. "Suicide Squid, Suicide Squid, Does whatever a squid...did? Is he dead? Listen bud, Did you think that was a dud?" --tyg =================================================================== = From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) = Message-ID: <1pbkb8$fhl@agate.berkeley.edu> = Date: 31 Mar 93 08:22:00 GMT To the tune of "Particle Man", by They Might be Giants: Suicide Squid, Suicide Squid Finding out things that they'd rather keep hid Nobody else could ever get rid of Suicide Squid. Is he a mollusk or a cephalopod? When he dies, will he meet God? Or will he come back as a trout or a cod? Nobody knows. Suicide Squid. =================================================================== = From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) = Message-ID: <1993Mar31.091907.23755@sol.UVic.CA> = Date: Wed, 31 Mar 93 09:19:07 GMT Suicide Squid, Suicide Squid. Doing the things them suicides did What's he like? Eight-limbed and inky Suicide Squid. Will he be squished for a sushi dish? When he's underwater will he eat fish? Or will the fish think that he's de-lish? Nobody knows. Suicide Squid. =================================================================== = From: wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald) = Subject: SQUID: The Second (anniversary) Coming = Message-ID: <1993Mar31.170320.27463@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> It's that time, again. Of all the threads that wouldn't die, I think this is my favorite: On April 2, 1992, wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald) wrote: >When I began archiving the Suicide Squid posts ("Wait, this is all >going to expire soon!"), I foolishly neglected to save the dates of >the relevant articles. I therefore cannot pin down an exact date for >this event. However, judging from the limited header information I >did keep, and my memory of those glorious, early days, I can say with >some certainty that the anniversary of the first Suicide Squid post >will occur on or about April 10, 1992. > >For some it is a cause for celebration. > > For some it is a cause for much gnashing of teeth and killing of > articles. > > For one, it is a finger-slip that he would really, really like > us all to forget once and for all. Really. > > >But we will not forget. From that one single-bit error, > >>What's happen in Suicide Squid? Please tell me.(I don't read S.S.) > >we have produced over 400,000 bytes of absolute nonsense, and it shows >no sign of stopping. Now over 700,000 bytes, two editions of shirts, and discussion of a hologram card. >Thankfully, it has slowed a bit. But it keeps starting again. >In the words of one recipient of the archive: > >>Sheesh. No _wonder_ we're going to need gigabit/sec networking >>within the decade... I recall that last year Tom Galloway posted a call for various celebrations of the event in various geographical areas. Anyone want to organize things this year? -David As usual, anyone interested in seeing these collected ramblings can get them by either ftp'ing the file pub/wald/suicide-squid from theory.lcs.mit.edu, or sending the line "send wald suicide-squid" (with no capitalization anywhere) to archive-server@theory.lcs.mit.edu. =================================================================== = From: jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) = Message-ID: <1993Mar31.003659.29235@sol.UVic.CA> = Date: 31 Mar 93 00:36:59 GMT = Subject: Rec.arts.comics Trading Card Set UPDATE Me again. There has been some discussion here about the r.a.c.trading card set I have proposed, and I'm a little concerned.... I'm expecting to do a 50-card set; 47 net.personalities, a header card, a checklist card, and (hopefully) a Suicide Squid card (assuming it can be done). ... Once the term's over (and I really don't have the time to be posting this message) I'm going to do some research on holograms and/or prism stock; we'll see what can be done for chase cards (I'd really like the Suicide Squid card to be a hologram). ... =================================================================== = From: dml@athena.mit.edu (David M LaMacchia) = Date: 1 Apr 1993 11:53:29 GMT = Message-ID: <1pel3pINNcq1@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Tom, I've been trying to get a hold of you via mail and keep getting it bounced back. I ordered two squid shirts back in July (??) and haven't yet received them. Can you get in touch with me? thanks --dave =================================================================== = From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: = Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1993 08:02:57 GMT = Subject: Re: The Rec.Arts.Comics Trading Card Set (Request for feedback) In article tara@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (L J Constantine) writes: So what should go into these sets, you ask? Hmmm, maybe: ... - hologram cards of Suicide Squid, PAD, and Lobo. (Well, maybe not Lobo.) =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) = Message-ID: = Date: 1 Apr 93 06:27:58 GMT First the t-shirt...then the trading card...then talk of the trading card being holographic...and now finally the comic book. Isn't this a bit backwards? I'm pleased to announce that Suicide Squid #1, should all go according to schedule, will debut at this year's San Diego Comics Convention. While it'd seem that this summer is the last time one would want to introduce a new comic, I'm confident that the lineup of creators involved will result in the book selling quite well. The first issue will feature work and stories by: Ty Templeton: Cover, featuring the alternative art originally done as a possible Squid shirt design. Harlan Ellison, writer, Dave Sim artist: The Deathsquid, featuring a guest appearance by Cerebus and Lord Julius. Is Squiddy actually the Harpo analogue in the Cereverse? Phil Foglio, writer and artist: Stanley and his Squid. An imaginary tale of what life'd be like at the Dovers had Stanley happened on Squiddy in the sewers rather than Spot. Neil Gaiman, writer, Charles Vess artist: A Midsummer Night's Squid. Whatever did happen to Robin Goodfellow anyway...? Tom and Mary Bierbaum, writers, Keith Giffen, artist: A departure for Keith, as this story will be done in a ten panel grid, with each panel on a page focusing on a different tentacle. Titled "Whatever Happened To Kid Kelp?", this story should clear up many of the problems with Suicide Squid continuity. Tom Galloway, writer, Jessica Blackstock, artist, Nick Polotta inspiration: In my professional comics debut, I'll be doing a story of Squiddy's early days as the Baby Squid God, along with Bunny and Carstairs as loaned for this story by Nick. I'd like to take this opportunity to dispel in advance that Jessica got this assignment due to nepotism. Her raw, primitive, but powerful style that I observed this past weekend made her the obvious choice for this story, and this assignment completed the assignments for this issue, enabling me to make this announcement. And in what has to count as the coup for this issue, I'm proud to announce the reuniting of the team of Peter David and Todd McFarlane. But as you've never seen them before! Todd will provide the writing, and Peter the art for the story we had to call "This Suicide, This Squid". Todd's parody of Particle Man for this story is not to be missed! And after seeing Peter's pencils for this issue, I predict he'll soon give up writing for a new career as *the* hot artist. And finally, a major spoiler for the change which will occur to Squiddy in one of the above stories after the ^L C'mon people. Having a 2 year old draw my story should have gotten you wondering, but Peter and Todd reuniting these days and doing art and writing respectively? Take a look at the Date: line up in the header.... [for readers abroad, April 1st in the U.S., and perhaps elsewhere, is known as April Fool's Day when many pranks and jokes are played. The classic such on Usenet was a post many years ago from !moscvax!kremvax!kgbvax!gorbachev purporting to be Mikhail Gorbachev (or a similar Soviet leader; it's been a while) announcing the USSR was now on Usenet. This being before it actually did get on. My favorite from r.a.c.'s past was sort of related. Namely, Comrade Moriarty's Comrade Gorby Reviews, featuring books such as Comrade Wonder Person and giving Richie Rich the lowest possible rating]. =================================================================== = From: silbrmnd@acf4.nyu.edu (silbrmnd) = Date: 1 Apr 1993 20:44:21 GMT = Message-ID: <1pfk75$qr0@calvin.NYU.EDU> Any news of SS celebrations in NY? *8-) =================================================================== = From: friedman@husc10.harvard.edu (Dawn Friedman) = Message-ID: <1993Apr1.164455.22404@husc3.harvard.edu> = Date: 1 Apr 93 21:44:54 GMT Speaking of Suicide Squid, tyg, can you direct me to the FAQ, and if it's not there, can you tell me how a Suicide Squid got onto the 5th season of _Red Dwarf_? =================================================================== = From: grant@mks.com (Grant Millard) = Message-ID: <1993Apr2.175548.25199@mks.com> = Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1993 17:55:48 GMT Hello to Tom (Whoever Tom is) I saw the tres cool shirt Steve was wearing and now that I subscribe to the group, wellll, was-wondering-if-I-could-order-a-shirt ? Please advise. =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: = Date: 2 Apr 93 18:52:56 GMT In article <1993Apr1.164455.22404@husc3.harvard.edu> friedman@husc10.harvard.edu (Dawn Friedman) writes: > not there, can you tell me how a Suicide Squid got onto the 5th > season of _Red Dwarf_? We don't know. Either the producers/writers came up with it on their own, or else they somehow heard about our Squiddy and liked the name. If anyone runs into one of these types at a con (I'm not a Red Dwarf fan, so am unlikely to), I'd be real interested in finding out about this. =================================================================== = From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) = Message-ID: <1q10fu$e6k@agate.berkeley.edu> = Date: 8 Apr 93 10:58:06 GMT Spoilers ahead for _Squid_ #9. _Squid_ #9: "Angelfish" Writer: Niiruko Gaimon Artist: Alonzo Mori Grade: Writing: F Art: D When I heard that DC had given ownership of Suicide Squid and his supporting cast to Mori, who was taking it to Giamello Siuterri's new "Deviant" line, I thought, "Cool!". (I also thought, "So *that's* who hired Moriarty to investigate key Time-Warner executives.") _Squid_ was a great concept: Squiddy finally dies, and we get to see him explore the afterlife. But where did Mori get the idea that, just because he can write well, he can also draw? When Unagiko Sakanaumi had to stop work on the title due to the unexpected death of one of her goldfish (was it Slim or Wandsworth? I can never keep them straight), Mori should simply have delayed things until she could return. We loyal Squidboys would have waited. Now, having tried it once, Mori has become so enamored of drawing, and does it so slowly, that he's gotten fill-in *writers* while he does the art. So here we have the second of the "Lousy Writers" issues. I'm told that Niruko Gaimon is Sakanaumi's unemployed sister-in-law. That's the only explanation I can see for Mori's allowing her to write his book. Is English her first language? Lines such as, "You please to under sofa without the struggle coming" don't exactly draw you smoothly into the story. And the scientific blunders! I rather doubt that you could have the moon explode and have as few people notice as happened here! (Although informed scientific minds can differ on the subject, to be sure.) Compared to the writing, there's relatively little to say about the art. Mori's stick figures have not evolved since last issue, making the twenty-five-page-long fight scene awfully hard to follow. The backgrounds do continue to be nicely detailed, though. And some of those nudes were not bad to look at either. (I didn't think that angelfish had breasts that large in real life. But then, some exaggeration is okay in comics.) All in all, I would love to drop this book. It's damned good for Mori that he's got those negatives in a safe place. =================================================================== = From: jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) = Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1993 16:48:21 GMT = Message-ID: <1993Apr8.164821.7978@julian.uwo.ca> In article <1q10fu$e6k@agate.berkeley.edu> goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes: > >Spoilers ahead for _Squid_ #9. > >_Squid_ #9: "Angelfish" >Writer: Niiruko Gaimon >Artist: Alonzo Mori > >Grade: Writing: F Art: D > Material deleted > So here we have the second of the "Lousy Writers" issues. I'm >told that Niruko Gaimon is Sakanaumi's unemployed sister-in-law. >That's the only explanation I can see for Mori's allowing her to >write his book. Is English her first language? Lines such as, "You >please to under sofa without the struggle coming" don't exactly draw >you smoothly into the story. And the scientific blunders! I rather >doubt that you could have the moon explode and have as few people >notice as happened here! (Although informed scientific minds can >differ on the subject, to be sure.) Art critique deleted I can't believe illiterates like you are allowed to post! Look, even a cretin could tell 'Nikuro Gaimon' is a pen-name for Mori. Trying to recreate the atmosphere of the often poorly written, but engaging comics of Mori's youth through the mechanism of using a highly talented but untrained trained writer as a persona was fucking *brilliant! The primitive virility of this issue is undeniable to people with even two brain-cells. It isn't hack-work, it's a *homage*. =================================================================== = From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) = Message-ID: = Date: 8 Apr 93 22:00:06 GMT Yeah, sure, that's what they always say when the best they can do is to duplicate someone else's trash. Just like with 1963: People are calling it a 'homage' to an earlier style in a transparent attempt to deny the obvious fact that it's the best this Affableal fellow is able to do. (Which is why you won't see him getting work from the Big Two.) =================================================================== = From: pathall@astro.as.arizona.edu (Patrick B. Hall) = Message-ID: <1993Apr9.053005.18175@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> = Date: 9 Apr 93 05:30:05 GMT Today I finally picked up my copy of the TPB of Miller's _Squid City_ (collected from its run in Sea Horse Presents). All I can say is... WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's great! Brutal... very brutal! I set it down on the bed after finishing it, and backed away slowly, half expecting a blood- and ink-stained tentacle or two to slither out from between the pages. It really was great. I know Miller's worked on Suicide Squid before (a miniseries in 1980, I believe; and then of course the tongue-in-cheek "Give Me Squiddity" with Dave Gibbons), but that didn't prepare me for the effort, the artistry, that went into this story. After his repugnant sell-out to Hollywood with the script for "RoboSquid 2", I had sorta expected Miller to fade from view. But he still has it in him! Buy this!! Read it!! But don't expect a heroic, good-guy squid!! Miller's Suicide Squid is scarred, alcoholic, and running low on his medication!! Purists will undoubtably argue that this is really "Homicide Squid", not Suicide Squid, but there's always been a fine line between the two. Miller's vision of SS is different from others, but that's how it should be. There's room for both campy Silver Age Squid adventures *and* downbeat, relentless "squid noir" works like Miller's. But I'd like to hear what others thought of this, and also, is there any truth to the rumors of more Squid City stories in the works? What about other Squid-related stories, period? Any coming up in the next few months? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Pat Hall "That is one *nice* wetsuit you're wearing. pathall@as.arizona.edu HAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!" --Suicide Squid =================================================================== = From: dbc3@po.CWRU.Edu (Damon B. Crumpler) = Date: 9 Apr 1993 19:32:01 GMT = Message-ID: <1q4ivh$pa0@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Please forgive my naiveness, but if you are indeed talking about Sin City, then yes, he has decided to do an entire series in relation to it (I think the connection will be the city). =================================================================== = From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) = Message-ID: = Date: 9 Apr 93 19:58:06 GMT You're not being naive, simply ill-informed. It's hardly your fault, since the hyping of Sin City at the expense of Squid City is one of the industry's better-kept dirty secrets. (Without going into details, I'll just point out that Miller was not involved in the writing of the Death miniseries, and let you draw your own conclusions.) =================================================================== = From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew) = Message-ID: <9304090118.AA04623@lynx.corp.frame.com> = Date: 9 Apr 93 01:21:12 GMT CON REPORT ---------- Con: Wonder-Con 7 Place: Oakland, California Date: April 2-4, 1993 ... Tom: what was that about Len Wein being interested in putting Suicide Squid in a comic he writes? (Frankly, I think that Squiddy would make a neat addition to the Zoo Crew...) ... =================================================================== = From: lsmith@deci.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: = Date: 9 Apr 93 03:51:14 GMT I sorta like the idea of Suicide Squid meets the Flaming Carrot meself... =================================================================== = From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) = Date: 10 Apr 1993 10:19:59 GMT = Message-ID: <1q670f$lcr@agate.berkeley.edu> In article <9304090118.AA04623@lynx.corp.frame.com> jrd@frame.com (James Drew) writes: )Tom: what was that about Len Wein being interested in putting Suicide )Squid in a comic he writes? Very simple: Len Wein told tyg that he wanted a Squid shirt. (I forget whether it was in person or through email.) Tyg told him that he wouldn't have to pay any money, but that he'd have to write Suicide Squid into one of his comics, to which Wein agreed. =================================================================== = From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1993Apr13.041436.11374@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 04:14:36 GMT Not quite. Len had been seeing various Squid shirts around the con on Saturday for some reason, and wanted one. I forget who, but someone pointed me out as the person to talk to about same. I said I'd send him email on GEnie about how to get one after I figure out what I've got left, and added an extra cost that he'd have to put Squiddy in a book. A reasonable added cost for a pro not on the net. Side note: for those who can pick up Ontario's Prisoners of Gravity, via the graces of Bill DeHaan and Don Marks, Commander Rick will be wearing a Squid shirt in at least one or two upcoming episodes in April/May. He'll also be reading a fan letter to Squiddy on one show. It's possible that PoG may get picked up by the Sci-Fi Channel (Harlan Ellison has been lobbying them to do so), in which case Squiddy may get some very explicit national exposure. =================================================================== = From: mkelly@ovid.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) = Message-ID: <1993Apr13.144127.447@news.nd.edu> = Date: 13 Apr 93 14:41:27 GMT trumpet-user@oregon.uoregon.edu (Default Trumpet User) writes: |> Has any one actually enjoyed the last three issues of Doom Patrol? ... |> I'm going to give this two more issues for old times sake, but I |> can't imagine how these two could possibly imrove it enough to make |> it a worthwhile read. It's to bad since it used to be one of my |> favorite comics! Agreed. Maybe we should start writing in as Dr. Calamari, the Squid Patrol, Alonzo Mori, et al., so that at least the letters column would be worth it. =================================================================== = From: andrew@cs.chalmers.se (Andrew Moran) = Message-ID: = Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1993 07:00:07 GMT = Subject: Re: Squid #9, what happened in the cape I agree with the first guy who said it was something to do with sex. They must have been spawning. =================================================================== = From: Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay) = Message-ID: = Date: 15 Apr 93 01:48:51 GMT rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) writes: >dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R. Henry) writes: >>I'm trying hard not to come off like a cad here, but, frankly, I'm >>scared. Three times I've worn the Death t-shirt. Three times a new >>woman has asked me home. Are there explanations? Should there be? >And where do we get one? And is there any truth to the rumors that all the variations in the various Suicide Squid T-shirt runs were experiments by Eddie Maise and tyg to create this very effect? =================================================================== = From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1993Apr15.025707.29988@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: 15 Apr 93 02:57:07 GMT In article rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) writes: >Okay, judging from the mail I've gotten there's plenty of interest. >As I said, I would be willing to do all the "administrative" work. My post from yesterday seems to have not made it out. One part of it's not relevant now; an offer to do a straw poll to see if there's interest. Clearly there is. One point is still relevant. I'd like to propose r.a.c.roleplaying as the group name. This would specifically include LNH, NTB, and even the bits of people making up personas for real names. It would specifically not include Suicide Squid or fanfic such as Kid Dyanamo. I feel there's a fair difference between making up a persona and writing about it and fanfic about established characters and parody such as Squiddy. ... =================================================================== = From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (The Napoleon of Crime) = Message-ID: <1993Apr15.182801.8190@tc.fluke.COM> = Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 18:28:01 GMT In Alexx@world.std.com (Alexx S Kay) writes: >And is there any truth to the rumors that all the variations in the >various Suicide Squid T-shirt runs were experiments by Eddie Maise >and tyg to create this very effect? To anyone who has seen Tom's amazing subter... subtur... err, underground laboratory, there can be little doubt. Amazing what a proton accelerator and a 50% mix of polyester and cotton can do to neural perceptions. [Of course, what I want to know is: How did he get that giant penny in there?] =================================================================== = From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: <1993Apr16.012148.7889@zip.eecs.umich.edu> = Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 01:21:48 GMT In article <1993Apr15.223415.18924@sol.UVic.CA> jcowling@ophelia.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes: >was with Jim Drew. Now there's a guy who can defend his opinions. >99.9% of the yahoos who I banter with are but a pale shadow of the >argumentative talents of such as him, or tyg, or Lance, etc etc. "We'll be back with more of The Adventures of Superman on Nickelodeon after these messages" "Have you been injured in a flame war? Do you think that just because 99.9% of the net thinks you were the instigator you can't receive compensation?" "Well, we here at the flame offices of Galloway, Drew, Smith, and Cowling are here to help you. Just mail 1-800@gdsc.com for a free consultation. And listen to what these satisfied clients have to say..." "I was incredibly jealous of all the attention Jayembee was getting. The flame offices of Galloway, Drew, Smith, and Cowling not only reduced his comics buying to three issue a month, but even forced DEC to make layoffs. Now I get written up in letter columns as the other identity of Suicide Squid! --David Goldfarb, Berkeley, CA" "Despite months of hints, I couldn't get put in a Star Trek novel. After just one call by Galloway, Drew, Smith, and Cowling, Peter David not only put me in a TNG novel, but also a DS9 novel. --Roger Tang, Seattle, WA" "I couldn't get women to notice me. But after one email to the offices of Galloway, Drew, Smith, and Cowling, they persuaded DC's merchandising department to send me a special edition of the Desire prototype t-shirt. Now I can't keep them off of me! I was particulary impressed with their attention to detail in camoflauging it as a Death t-shirt. And the fee was much lower than I expected! --David Henry, North Dakota" "Yes, if you've been in a flame war and want to rend the other's net.repuation to shreds, or just improve your own via the use of our Famous Flamer School graduate talents, the address to mail to is 1-800@gdsc.com. Operators are standing by." "Gosh Mr. Kent, how did you figure *that* out?" "(Could we start a new group that is a "flame weather map" showing where flames are starting and to which newsgroups they are travelling? "An anti-StarTrek flame war has ignited in r.a.c, and is expected to reach r.a.sf by midnight. Any of you with valuable conversations in these groups should be advised to take them to shelter." --Kieran Mullen tyg tyg@hq.ileaf.com [side note: The Famous Flamer School ad was a classic post circa 1983. One of these days I'll have to dig it out of the paper archives] =================================================================== = From: cornwall@bach.udel.edu (Ray J Cornwall) = Message-ID: = Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 20:43:25 GMT Have any of you ever read the Suicide Squid thread? You know, the thread that started with someone's typo and ended with a complete history of a non-existent comic book based on a squid? It became a HUGE thread, stretching for months, even spawning T-shirts. There are always rumors that this or that comics professional will work the Squid into a story of his own. Back when this was rac.misc, people loved it. Sure, it was huge, but it was here. Guess what? It didn't belong here. ... =================================================================== = From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) = Message-ID: <1993Apr17.031340.13058@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> = Date: 17 Apr 93 03:13:40 GMT First off, I'll be very embarrased if it turns out I misspelled heirarchy. Hierarchy? Hmmm. Anyway, the suggestion for a rec.arts.fanfic group sound even better than rec.arts.comics.creative. Perhaps split into raf.comics, raf.cyberpunk, etc. This would indeed get lnh off the rac groups yet still be in a rec group, giving Jim's faction what they want yet giving the LNH better propagation. It would also provide a rec group for the alt.callahans and alt.chatsubo types to hang out on, if they agree. As to whether things like BLOODBLOODBLOOD or Suicide Squid would be considered fanfic and booted off racm I dunno (I'd suspect no for SS, sinc most SS posts are 'reviews' not fanfic per se). ... =================================================================== = From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) = Message-ID: = Date: 19 Apr 93 22:07:26 GMT In <1993Apr19.203342.10505@cs.odu.edu> leung@rose.cs.odu.edu (Michael K Leung) writes: >Sorry for my ignorance, what exactly this COMICS-L is? Is it a >company? Would someone follow this up? COMICS-L is a comic discussion list owned by some guy whose last name starts with L. It is *much, much* better than COMICS-G, COMICS-J, COMICS-C, or COMICS-S. For the low price of $10 (US) a month, you get great discussion, access to the pros, and enough mail to think you're important. (The subscription is waived for anyone who sends in a recording of the Suicide Squid Cartoon Hour Theme Song.) =================================================================== = From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) = Message-ID: = Date: 20 Apr 93 02:12:32 GMT In <1993Apr19.223750.12286@news.columbia.edu> ejs16@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz) writes: >For the sake of all the newbies on the net, I'm going to say that the >above comment was most probably meant sarcastically (I hope). No, I mean it. COMICS-L really is much better than COMICS-G, COMICS-J, COMICS-C or COMICS-S. And you *can* get a free subscription if you send in the recording of the Suicide Squid Cartoon Hour Theme Song. "How can anyone take seriously a posting that concludes with information on Suicide Squid?" -- David Wald =================================================================== = From: mkelly@ovid.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) = Message-ID: <1993Apr21.175049.20920@news.nd.edu> = Date: 21 Apr 93 17:50:49 GMT ... But seriously, I think we have our category for the 1993 Usenet Olympics... the Flaming Broadway Show Tunes ensemble from r.a.c.misc! Hear your favorite racmers singing and dancing to such popular hits like "Waltz for Escuta and Cowling", "What's the Buzz? (Flaming on their minds)", "One Flame More (from 'Le Miserable' (sic)), "Don't Cry for me LNHers", "Tonight (we're going to split tonight)", "SkimbleLance the Railway Squid" and many, many more! =================================================================== = From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Needles and Glenns) = Message-ID: <1993Apr27.083845.29869@midway.uchicago.edu> = Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 08:38:45 GMT = Subject: Re: Carol Kalish and Gary Groth In article dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes: >larocqu@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (JOHN LAROCQUE): >>I'll ask again - is selling 10 million copies of X-Men #1 a fitting >>tribute to Carol's legacy at Marvel? > >I don't see what the one has to do with the other, or with the price >of herring-and-chocolate-chip-cookie sandwiches. It's a little known fact that Carol was an agent of Mrs. Squid's cookies, and was accused of diverting X-men profits to their subsidy. This of course was never proven but was the subject of the TV parody "Silver Segue". But I'll let you return to debating the desirability of speaking ill of the dead, as long it's for the good of your agenda. =================================================================== = From: Si Rowe = Message-ID: <1993Apr28.072213.5705@news.yale.edu> = Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 07:22:13 GMT In article <1993Apr27.220711.27765@Princeton.EDU> D. W. James, vnend@phoenix.Princeton.EDU writes: >In article <9304271805.AA01778@lynx.corp.frame.com> jrd@frame.com >(James Drew) writes: >)Actually, "Cerebus" is apparently a misspelling of "Cerberus," one >)that stuck. > >Nah, that *never* really happens. Typos and misspellings taking on a >life of their own? Only in comic books... You know, this is suddenly sounding very familiar... I can't quite place it, but there's definitely a resonance. Something about a self-slaughtering cephalopod... =================================================================== = From: bd112@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Craig H. Rettig) = Date: 30 Apr 1993 18:47:36 GMT = Message-ID: <1rrs88$okt@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Excuse me for being ignorant, but has Squiddie's adventures ever been plotted, drawn, published, and released in book format? For that matter, have any of the other LNH and LNH-related stories been published also? If so, could someone E-Mail me with info on how to get them? This is a serious inquiry. =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: = Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 21:49:02 GMT Well, not yet, April Fool's postings to the contrary. Squiddy has shown up offnet in the following circumstances: 1) 2 Suicide Squid t-shirts appeared on an episode of Parker Lewis Can't Lose. 2) Suicide Squid showed up as a character in a fifth season episode of Red Dwarf. No one has been able to determine if the writers/producers somehow heard about our Squiddy or came up with the concept independently. 3) "Suicide Squid as David Goldfarb" came up in a JLA letter column, reporting results of a reader poll on JLA membership preferences. 4) Suicide Squid made the published list of Favorite Character results in the 1992 awarded CBG Awards. 5) Just barely on the latest TVOntario episode of Prisoners of Gravity; much more next week and potentially a t-shirt will be making semi-regular appearances. 6) In the DC Editorial Presentation page about Peter David's upcoming Aquaman series, it sure looks to me like he's fighting a squid. Many netters have suggested various ways of working a Squiddy appearance in to Peter, and I'm sure if one doesn't occur, many letters will be written to the letter column. 7) At WonderCon, Len Wein told me he wanted a Suicide Squid t-shirt. I said a non-netter charge of working a reference to Squiddy in one of his books would be applied. He had no problem with that. 8) I plan to suggest to Ty Templeton, artist of the shirts, that Suicide Squid would make a great villain for Mad Dog, which he's currently doing for Marvel. If Bob is renewed for the fall, I'll be working on getting a Squid shirt on the show. 9) Jim Cowling wants to have a Suicide Squid card in the r.a.c. trading card set. 10) If I ever get on Jeopardy! and win big, I'll probably actually put out a Squiddy comic. =================================================================== = From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew) = Message-ID: <9305041823.AA07212@lynx.corp.frame.com> = Date: 4 May 93 08:23:02 GMT Also... Suicide Squid showed up, unnamed, as an illustration on a playing card (the King of Hearts, aka "the Suicide King") in Affurmative Action! #1, a furry fanzine published in Texas. =================================================================== = From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) = Message-ID: = Date: 6 May 93 22:52:14 GMT = Subject: 1963 #2 - Squid! "Sinister Squid"? Suure... =================================================================== = From: rick@qucdnee.ee.queensu.ca = Message-ID: <1993May7.105839.1@qucdnee.ee.queensu.ca> = Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 15:58:39 GMT last night's "prisoners of gravity" (7/5/93) was pretty good... good episode. of course, i was _really_ watching for the Suicide Squid shirt to make an appearance. it did. (briefly). =================================================================== = From: omni@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Omniscient fool) = Date: 7 May 1993 05:34:31 GMT = Message-ID: <1scsd7INN3gc@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> In dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes: >1963 continues to be a blast. ... Notice how Alan changed the S. Squid *just* enough to avoid copyright infringement. Not that Merry Mort would ever sue Affable Al. =================================================================== = From: dubach1@husc7.harvard.edu (joev dubach) = Message-ID: = Date: 12 May 93 01:12:20 In article <1sntm6$fdo@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> imcc@cs.strath.ac.uk (Iain McCord) writes: At one point the Man of Steel is recounting his near death experience. It's a version of #500, so it's probable that part of supes sole is in Henry Johnson. His name is probably assumed, and the inventive skills he had before being possesed. It'd be nice if he stayed around after Superman is reformed, he could have been in a coma. Bibo could still have part of supermans sole, but I think it's better if he's just an ordinary man doing the best he can. Come on, haven't you been paying attention? I know, the unannounced crossovers are hard to keep track of, but there was a story in Previews which advertised "Slimmo the Supersole Seen with Suicide Squid, says Simonson!" Louise Simonson, who is writing _Superman: The Man of Steel_, apparently let this rumor out before the "airtight" security on the storyline was instituted. Superman's sole, Slimmo, who hasn't been seen since the Golden Age, is apparently the key to this whole Rebirth of Superman thing! Speculators, look out for the next issue of Suicide Squid, because _that's_ where Slimmo is hanging out, not with Henry Johnson or Bibbo. There are a lot of theories out there, and you have to be careful to avoid getting burned. If you still doubt, just look at Karen Berger's interview, in which she mentions a new title coming out of Vertigo this Fall, _Sole Survivor_. Slimmo, for all you who weren't around during the Golden Age, was a Kryptonian fish Superman found in one of the Lori Lemaris stories. Of course, once Streaky the Supercat was introduced, we never saw Slimmo much; understandably, they had a natural antipathy. Anyhow, the first post-Crisis appearance of Slimmo, in the next Suicide Squid, is my hot pick for June; I think it's been vastly underordered, and I personally will be taking home 90 copies. =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) = Message-ID: = Date: Sat, 15 May 1993 19:44:56 GMT = Subject: Re: San Diego Con ???'s In article <1993May14.061337.11586@coe.montana.edu> iedev105@gemini.oscs.montana.edu (Jason McGrody) writes: > Hope to see some of you netters there in August even if I don't > recognize you. Look for Suicide Squid shirts (unless on Kim Yale, John Ostrander, or possibly Len Wein and Lea Hernandez) as these have otherwise only been available to r.a.c.ers and their friends. If I get on program again this year, that'd be a good place to spot at least one r.a.c.er, not to mention that I've already got a suggestion in the queue there for an electronic fandom panel with panelists from r.a.c., GEnie, Compu$erve, and other services. The Black Ink Irregulars team which'll be defending it's Trivia Bowl championship makes the trivia contest also a good place to spot same. =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: = Date: Thu, 20 May 1993 18:59:54 GMT In article <1993May20.174612.8300@inel.gov> mgq@inel.gov (Michael G McKellar) writes: > We have the resources and the background on the net to come up with > a list of the best comics. I am willing to compile a list of comics > that r.a.c.ers feel are the best comics of all time. I then propose Um, a few definitions please. Are you talking about single issues? Series? Collections? Is it fair to put up, say Suicide Squid #666 vs. the collected 12 issues of Watchmen rather than against each individual issue? =================================================================== = From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) = Message-ID: = Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 15:15:54 GMT Well I think it is, since Watchmen was really just a drawn-out rehash of the story in Suicide Squid #666. =================================================================== = From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) = Date: 22 May 1993 03:17:53 GMT = Message-ID: <1tk612$28g@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> ... damn it, after a dozen washings my Suicide Squid shirt still smells like rubber.... =================================================================== = From: silbrmnd@acf4.nyu.edu (silbrmnd) = Date: 25 May 1993 05:26:48 GMT = Message-ID: <1tsamo$67k@calvin.NYU.EDU> I just saw the SS annual, guest-starring Lobo (a photo-copy... I think it's gonna be out in the middle of june...). I don't want to completely ruin the story,but when Squiddy is fighting the (as yet unidentified) Horrible Aquatic Monster from Outter Space(tm),there's this ship sinking in the background which looks suspiciously like the Psycho Pirate's... It's not clear if anyone made it off the ship or not (I'm sure this will be expanded in another book...?), but a few panels later we see Lobo reading something with uncharacteristic interest; when the bar tender asks what he's looking at, the Main Man quickly shoves the list in a pocket and mutters "Nothin'... Jus' some names..." before remembering himself and dismembering the guy. Something for your paranoia, eh? :) The rest of the ish was a bit of a disappointment... The illustrated parts in the middle didn't work for me, but since the photocopy wasn't such good quality, I'll wait for the actual book before I tear it apart. =================================================================== = From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) = Message-ID: = Date: Tue, 25 May 1993 13:05:16 GMT In <1tsamo$67k@calvin.NYU.EDU> silbrmnd@acf4.nyu.edu (silbrmnd) writes: >when Squiddy is fighting the (as yet unidentified) Horrible Aquatic >Monster from Outter Space(tm),there's this ship sinking in the >background Pretty bad dialogue from the monster. "I am from outer space. I have traveled far to find the planet of the Squid. I will conquer you and your puny planet." I think I'd prefer Stan Lee dialogue to that. >before remembering himself and dismembering the guy. Oh, that's normal? Is *that* why Lobo is so popular? >The rest of the ish was a bit of a disappointment... The illustrated >parts in the middle didn't work for me, but since the photocopy >wasn't such good quality, I'll wait for the actual book before I tear >it apart. No, that's as good of quality as you're going to get. The story was done back when Squiddy was in the hands of DC and Mori won it along with all rights to SS. Mori decided to try a new sales gimmick: no frills. Each store is sent a single copy of the book, and then copies as many issues as they want. Maybe Jim Cowling can explain how Mori actually manages to make money off of this -- I don't understand it myself. =================================================================== = From: silbrmnd@acf4.nyu.edu (silbrmnd) = Date: 28 May 1993 05:24:16 GMT = Message-ID: <1u47m0$ror@calvin.NYU.EDU> In <1u0gto$qvl@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> vbv@herbie.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) writes: >In article <1993May26.182133.27134@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> >scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes: >> >>Suicide squid as an octuple (pun intended) amputee? >Actually, squids have ten tentacles. :) >Octopi (or more properly, octopodes) have eight. Yes, that's exactly the point... If they cut off _all_ of the Squid's tentacles, at least he'd be able to start life over as a sort of Bloody-Bones (of the Breed... BTW, what happened with them??? I haven't seend the book in months...)... Just think of the possibilities! He could do publicity stunts: *be* the first ball thrown out at basketball games, play any number of monsters and space aliens in Hollywood... Just think: The Blob, as a stage play! But what use is there for a two-tentacled squid? With only two tentacles, he's rather boring and useless... =================================================================== = From: jxxl@cs.nps.navy.mil (John Locke) = Message-ID: = Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 15:45:16 GMT lsmith@centi.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes: > Ah, I think I can clear up some of the confusion. Until recently > Shadwoman was called Hell's Angelfish. The title was changed to > Shadwoman after a class action suit was brought by several > ichthylogists who rightfully pointed out that there were no angel > fish in the comic. For legal reasons that I don't quite understand, > comic titles now fall under the truth in advertising laws and the > publisher, Fugugraphics, decided to switch rather than fight. I know I haven't been swimming since Shadwoman uttered her famous injunction: "Stay out of my ocean!" This girl makes Jaws look like a pufferfish. =================================================================== = From: gls@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (Col. G. L. Sicherman) = Date: Fri, 28 May 1993 01:22:15 GMT = Message-ID: In , lsmith@centi.cs.umn.edu writes: > > > >Is Shadwoman originally a character from "Suicide Squid"? When did > >she first appear? Is her solo title a mini-series or what? > > Ah, I think I can clear up some of the confusion. Until recently > Shadwoman was called Hell's Angelfish. The title was changed to > Shadwoman after a class action suit was brought by several > ichthylogists who rightfully pointed out that there were no angel > fish in the comic. [etc.] Just when I thought it was safe to go back in the water! "Mr. Templeton, we've got another little job for you." =================================================================== = From: kenaschm@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Ken Schmidt) = Message-ID: = Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 19:08:21 GMT This is part test(I'm posting with my silver account for the first time) and part question. Who is 'jayembee'? =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: = Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 20:36:52 GMT He's Suicide Squid's secret identity. =================================================================== = From: wkaufman@us.oracle.com (William Kaufman) = Message-ID: <1993Jun4.015728.2044@oracle.us.oracle.com> = Date: 4 Jun 93 01:57:28 GMT In article <1ulsc0INNfqu@network.ucsd.edu> mmaxwell@ucsd.edu writes: > >Ob Sandman Story idea: How about Sandman on the high seas. ... And, at this point, one might mention the Sandman/Suicide Squid crossover, "Neon MeatDreams of a Octofish". (Has the rights to this one reverted to Mori yet?) =================================================================== = From: ss@wpi.WPI.EDU (Scott Streeter) = Date: 5 Jun 93 18:09:02 = Message-ID: Kurt> Does anyone have a complete list of all of the "Batman, The Kurt> Animated Series" episodes to date? ... 46 - THE MAN WHO KILLED BATMAN - Syd The Squid, Thorne, Joker - 2/1/93 ... =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: = Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1993 15:43:36 GMT In article lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) writes: > Examples abound....Tom Galloway is a Suicide Squid fanboy. Well, that definitely rules out the under 18 clause > Fanboys are fanatically dedicated either to a title, a company, a > genre or a creator, regardless of the quality of work. So this means that the Spanish Inquisition were Pope fanboys? Admittedly sealing popes in mylar does have a certain appeal in some cases... =================================================================== = From: number6@sloop.u.washington.edu (The Prisoner) = Message-ID: <1v07hlINN8gv@news.u.washington.edu> = Date: 7 Jun 93 20:13:41 GMT douga@yang.earlham.edu (Doug Atkinson) writes: >In article <1ur9q3INN752@news.u.washington.edu>, >hachiman@carson.u.washington.edu (matt) writes: >>In article <1uquu1$4bi@balsam.unca.edu> mcmahan@luck.cs.unca.edu >>(Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes: >> >>>Since then, I've been impressed with StormWatch and Brigade, both >>>breaking brand new artists to the world. Scott Clark is better than >>>Jim Lee or Whilce. >> >> No. Noone is better than Whilce. >> > Really? Is this Noone person any good? Where has she been published? You haven't seen Noone's art yet? Man, are you missing out. Check out the SUICIDE SQUID SUMMER SOLIPSISM SPECIAL -- it just hit the stands last week. You may remember that the last time SS was being published, Mori was doing the artwork himself. Well, sales weren't that great, and the line got cancelled, and as it happens, Mori gave up art after a recent tragic accident where his hands were broken by a DC editor who unintentionally slammed them fifty, maybe sixty times in a car door. Despondent and eager to have his creation back in action again, Mori literally stumbled across Pat Noone, a sidewalk chalk artist who gave him a friendly ride to the hospital. When Mori saw Pat's work, he knew he was onto the next big thing -- unlike today's hot artists who had had no formal training whatsoever, Pat had diligently labored for years over her correspondence course materials that she sent away for out of an old issue of LEGION OF SUPPER HEROES. Mori took one look at Pat's sketches of Artichoke Lad and dragged her to the DC offices. The rest, as they say -- is history. "Rec.arts.comics -- Turning Innocent Typoes Into Major In-jokes Since 1990" :) =================================================================== = From: jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein) = Message-ID: <1993Jun8.150844.4861@scott.skidmore.edu> = Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1993 15:08:44 GMT She also did the art for: Sonic Disruptors #12 the Rocketeer Adventure Magazine #3 Camelot 3000 #13 Rick Veitch's Swamp Thing #89 (never published) After Watchmen (w/ Alan Moore!) Supreme #3-8 Wetworks and Pitt #2. Truly, a find. =================================================================== = From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: = Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1993 02:51:45 GMT In gls@windmill.ATT.COM (a man of wealth and taste) writes: >In , lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu writes: >> >> A few people have asked me if I was serious about the What's New >> T-shirt graveyard. Yes, sorta. Palliard has two big boxes of WN >> shirts. They're in two designs (WN logo and Dixie as fantasty >> warrior) but unfortunately most are in somewhat yucky 80s colors >> and there appear to be no XLs. > >What do you mean, "yucky 80s colors"? In my book, anybody who >doesn't appreciate dull fuchsia, cyanide green, and Pepto-Bismol pink >must be one of them LIBERALS! Go GIT him, boys! Wait! Wait! I meant yucky early 80s colors! You know, like powder blue and beige! It used to be that all comic book designs came printed on light blue or ecru shirts. Now about all you can get are black or white T-shirts. Of course, I happen to own both a light cyanide green and a burnt carbon black Suicide Squid shirts. I had to pass on the shallow water blue one. Are we allowed to use the L word again? =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) = Message-ID: = Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1993 16:14:55 GMT In article ds0699@doc.NYU.EDU (Dvora Silberman) writes: >Anyone going to the con today? Maybe I'll see you there... Of course, a good way to spot and be spotted by r.a.c.ers at cons and signings and the like is to wear a Suicide Squid t-shirt, thus far only available to netters and friends (a few non-net pros are likely to get one with a provision that they include Squiddy in a comics story). =================================================================== = From: gt3588a@prism.gatech.EDU (Patman) = Message-ID: <101852@hydra.gatech.EDU> = Date: 13 Jun 93 17:21:18 GMT How does one go about getting a Suicide Squid T-Shirt? Can they be ordered? Inquiring RACM-teers wanna know! =================================================================== = From: zombie@redeye.EBay.Sun.COM (zombie) = Date: 13 Jun 1993 18:03:18 GMT = Message-ID: <1vfq56$44u@ebaydns1.EBay.Sun.COM> Yes, yes! Please post the answer. =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) = Message-ID: = Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1993 22:23:51 GMT Fish. Barrel. Blam. So far there've been two runs of Squid shirts. There are a few left from the second run, and I'll likely post what's left for sale within the next month (as an aside, if you take a small or medium, you're chances will be a lot better...). I'll likely do a third run in the fall, depending on my trip schedule for then. I should note that things should go much quicker for the third run, as the printer for the second run was quite satisfactory (and in fact did the Tick shirts for New England Comics) so it'll just be a matter of taking the order downtown and picking them up and mailing them a couple of weeks later. =================================================================== = From: ds0699@doc.NYU.EDU (Dvora Silberman) = Message-ID: = Date: 13 Jun 93 23:51:52 GMT tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) writes: >Of course, a good way to spot and be spotted by r.a.c.ers at cons and >signings and the like is to wear a Suicide Squid t-shirt Heh, heh, heh... I _did_ wear mine, and didn't see anyone else wearing theirs... No one ran up and said "Kew-ul! A Suicide Squid shirt! What's your net-name?", either... *8-) But I _did_ get to talk to Mr. G, and he _did_ sign my GoY, so that was fine... (Of course, my boyfriend whining about how he didn't see the point of paying to see a bunch of tables with comic books on it may have deterred potential Squid Spotters [tm] ... :) =================================================================== = Message-ID: <1993Jun13.232943.24933@husc3.harvard.edu> = From: friedman@husc10.harvard.edu (Dawn Friedman) = Date: 13 Jun 93 23:29:43 EDT In article tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) writes: >In article ab248@Freenet.carleton.ca >(Elizabeth Holden) writes: >> Sandboys and sandgirls, however, show exquisite taste and couldn't >> possibly be fanboys at the same time. (My biases are showing....) > >I dunno...I'd have to classify the Dream and Death clones I've seen >at signings (not at cons, where costumes are at least sort of >appropriate) to be over the line for fanboy/girlism in that regard. This from someone who's just explained the uses of Suicide Squid T-shirts in meeting people! They're just trying to take advantage of a gathering of Death- and Dream-obsessed people with exquisite taste. Aren't they? =================================================================== = From: conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) = Message-ID: = Date: 15 Jun 93 22:33:59 GMT At the Chicago Comicon, you *might* find nearly enough time to hit all the dealer's tables in half a day, but only if you go prepared with a comprehensive, concise, and clear list of the books you're looking for, and move fast. Of course, this means not talking to any of the pros in there (who are quite a number this year, starting with Neil Gaiman and Dave Sim), not checking out the previews of the new comics coming out, not going to the art show, not attending any panels, not trying to spot people wearing Suicide Squid shirts, etc... =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) = Message-ID: = Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1993 01:17:38 GMT In article mickey@bach.udel.edu (Mickey) writes: >[Cable being Reed Richards' father] would be the biggest >disappointment in comics history, IMO. "Wait! My r.a.c. straight line detector sense just started tingling! Just like it did with Suicide Squid and PAD is dead lines!" Some other greatest disappointment candidates: All-Star Comics with the JSA changing to All-Star Western. The Adventure Comics series of Legion stories coming to an end. Sonic Disruptors being cancelled after #7 of a 12 issue series. Doug Wheeler on Swamp Thing. Peter David leaving the Star Trek comics assignment. Hawk being Monarch. David Letterman switching from DC to Marvel.:-) Other candidates? =================================================================== = From: mkelly@breathed.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) = Message-ID: <1993Jun30.151012.6949@news.nd.edu> = Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 15:10:12 GMT goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) writes: |> |> A thought struck me concerning _Sandman_ #52. The main villain |> of the story combined the roles of Carnifex (a sort of Prime |> Minister) of a city-state in a world of city-states and Psychopomp, |> or Pope. |> |> Is there any other comic character who showed naked greed and |> power-hunger while combining the roles of Prime Minister and Pope? |> Possibly with a name sim'ilar to "Carys"? |> |> I'm almost sure there is one, but it's slipping my mind. :-) You must be think of the mini-series-within-a-series in Suicide Squid, "Shrimp and State". I believe the character in question was Carabus the Aabalone. =================================================================== = From: silbrmnd@acf4.nyu.edu (silbrmnd) = Date: 30 Jun 1993 18:48:26 GMT = Message-ID: <20sn5q$ht@calvin.NYU.EDU> No, it was Cerbutz the Aanemone. =================================================================== = From: mkelly@breathed.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) = Message-ID: <1993Jun30.203919.14880@news.nd.edu> = Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 20:39:19 GMT Of course, how could I forget that classic line: "The Aanemone of the people is dead!". I guess that makes Carabus another one of Swordfisheus Po's illusions. =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: = Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1993 22:39:49 GMT In article jspencer@world.std.com (Jeffrey C Spencer) writes: >tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) writes: >>Given that I believe that Enrique is offnet at Anime Expo, I'll do the >>honors with the flame thrower... >>BWA-WHOOOOMP! >No, no, it's : >FWAAAAAA Hey, so Enrique uses a Suicide Squid Regular Recipe flame thrower and I use the SS Extra Crispy one. Same difference. =================================================================== = From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) = Message-ID: = Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1993 01:38:01 GMT This is *lame*! I wish they'd stop doing these 'theme' crossovers. Having Suicide Squid, Aquaman, and Dolphin appear together, just because they're all aquatic, makes as much sense as having a Hellblazer/'Mazing Man crossover because they're both air-breathers. (To give them credit, I've heard that the plans for that crossover were dropped when the movie-deal fell through.) Worse, if the *point* of all this is to introduce a new hero -- another nobody who gets superpowers in exchange for spinal fluid -- they could at least have picked someone who *has* a spine! Worse yet, the ability to get things wet isn't one of the more useful superpowers a sea-dweller can have! I can see it now: "In this issue, Sog keeps a beached whale hosed down until high tide!" And the dialogue is simply not in character. Since when is Suicide Squid afraid of wet ink? =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) = Message-ID: = Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1993 03:25:23 GMT Watchers of Batman: The Animated Series will recall the episode of the man who thought he'd killed Batman, and how he was renamed "Sid the Squid". At one point in the episode, a large group of thugs are chanting "Squid! Squid! Squid!". This episode was written by one Paul Dini. The same Paul Dini who wrote the lead story in the new Elvira, Mistress of the Dark comic from Claypool. By page five, Elvira is saying "A cinematic squid I call...". A few pages later, when Elvira has been put in charge of a cooking show, she cooks up a live squid (or as she puts it "a delightful seafood surprise", but in the next panel it's explicitly refered to as a squid). Clearly Mr. Dini has a serious squid fetish. I urge all r.a.c.ers to go up to him at the San Diego Con, where he is a special guest, and urge him to try to work Suicide Squid into BTAS (although somehow I doubt the censors will let them use the word suicide on the show). It's only too bad he's no longer associated with Tiny Toons (and that there are no new episodes planned); Squiddy would fit right in. ... =================================================================== = From: jlmiller@hamp.hampshire.edu = Date: 2 Jul 93 15:09:36 EDT = Message-ID: <1993Jul2.150936.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> Now about that Swamp Thing, Swap Thing, Suicide Squid mega-crossover...anyone heard anything? =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) = Message-ID: = Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1993 00:22:46 GMT In article <212b5hINN83i@uwm.edu> dray@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Daniel Ray Giese) writes: >The Milwaukee Sentinel...heavily criticized for letting an employee >write a story about this syringe she found in her pepsi can, and the >next day they wrote a raving review about a concert that had rained >out. Y'know, I'm going to be in Milwaukee in a couple of weeks...and there's some definite possibilities involving Suicide Squid here...(email suggestions) =================================================================== = From: dhenry@plains.NoDak.edu (David R. Henry) = Message-ID: = Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1993 17:36:18 GMT >Did anyone who saw Neil Gaiman hear him say anything about the status >of Miracleman? I saw Miracleman #25 being solicited for Sept, and I >assume that #24 is scheduled for this month. Is this title from >Eclipse back on schedule, ha-ha-ha, or am I just dreaming? :-) Shh! Speak too loudly on this and you shall awaken the Sleeping Squiddie of the North! =================================================================== = From: Jym Dyer = Date: 9 Jul 1993 01:57:58 GMT = Message-ID: >Now about that Swamp Thing, Swap Thing, Suicide Squid >mega-crossover...anyone heard anything? =o= Zulli's artwork may never reach the light of day. Apparently the folks at Warner Bros. are nervous that they'll get complaints from religious fundamentalists about Swap Thing going back in time and hanging out with Elvis -- even though they call him "The King" like they have in the past. =================================================================== = From: jlmiller@hamp.hampshire.edu = Date: 10 Jul 93 20:39:56 EDT = Message-ID: <1993Jul10.203956.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> ... And I'm _still_ waiting for the Suicide Squid/Swamp thing crossover... =================================================================== = From: manley@iies.ecn.purdue.edu (the misfit) = Message-ID: = Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1993 00:27:22 GMT OK, Squidfolx, during a recent archaeological jaunt through my boxes of comics I came upon the following: MICRONAUTS VOLUME 1 NUMBER 53: Page 11 (splash page), lower left-hand corner, approx. 1.5 inches from the bottom edge of the panel, between the left panel border and the brown post in the foreground. Scrawled on the fence: THE SQUID. So tell me, when was the Squid on Prisonworld, and whose side was he on during the Third Karza War? And did anyone else see that blue puff of smoke on the grassy knoll? =================================================================== = From: jspencer@world.std.com (Jeffrey C Spencer) = Message-ID: = Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1993 22:46:37 GMT ... "You told me to trade them for the silver and gold bathtub in the shape of a giant squid." "Well, it certainly SOUNDS like something I'd do..." =================================================================== = From: pmr1@cec2.wustl.edu (Patrick Michael Robinson) = Message-ID: <1993Jul21.025805.5146@wuecl.wustl.edu> = Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1993 02:58:05 GMT ... "Der Tintenfisch reagiert nicht auf dem Gedankenkontrollen!!!" ("The squid is not responding to the mind control !!!") =================================================================== = From: lsmith@myria.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) = Message-ID: = Date: 23 Jul 93 00:02:43 GMT = Subject: Re: Sandman #53 (Very Very Minor Spoilers) Two points about this story: - So where is that mongoose now? (Or has Mr Kipling already written about him?) - What? No one is going to point out the obvious Suicide Squid reference? Like the giant squid, some have never seen a Suicide Squids comic, but the character has left his marks on r.a.c.misc =================================================================== = From: DrAllosaurus@cup.portal.com (Samuel DrAllosaurs Crider) = Message-ID: <86159@cup.portal.com> = Date: Thu, 22 Jul 93 22:44:58 PDT >I know this is a comics group, but "Illegal Aliens" (a science >fiction book by Nick Pollotta and Phil Foglio) is certainly worth >reading. If I remember correctly, they are currently writing another >book together. > >Pekka Timonen (pati@jyu.fi) At the 1991 WorldCon Foglio gave the new book a tentative title of "That Darn Squid God"... =================================================================== = From: upham@cs.ubc.ca (Derek Upham) = Date: 23 Jul 1993 00:41:03 -0700 = Message-ID: <22o4mfINN6oi@cascade.cs.ubc.ca> Wow! Looks like Suicide Squid will finally be making the jump from sequential art to books. This implies that he'll be keeping his Seagod powers after the current crossover, though. Hmm. Speaking of crossovers, any more word on the Gold Key/Image crossover that's supposed to be coming out, now that GK has bought back the rights? I've seen some of Sam's/Bill's samples of Outback Squid versus Mr. Gone. Damn good. ``B'rer Pieuvre'', indeed. No wonder SS is pissed. =================================================================== = From: ayen@panix.com (Doug Ayen) = Date: 27 Jul 1993 11:11:37 -0400 = Message-ID: <233gj9$t5m@panix.com> = Newsgroups: alt.fan.suicide-squid = Subject: What is Our Hero up to nowadays??? Has he finally screwed up his courage and done himself in, taking out a good chunk of worldly evil with him? Has he gone on vacation? Is he merely waiting for the beginning of the school year so he can get access to an Internet terminal again? Or have the forces of evil finally overcome the ten-armed bastard. Inquiring minds want to know!!! =================================================================== = From: daz@gnu.ai.mit.edu (David A. Z.) = Date: 28 Jul 1993 00:53:49 GMT = Message-ID: <234imtINNei6@life.ai.mit.edu> = Newsgroups: alt.fan.suicide-squid Beats me, but this group now has two more posts than it has had in the past year. :) =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) = Message-ID: = Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 16:00:06 GMT Actually, the Squid God in question is from a later series of "radio" plays that Nick Pollota wrote for the Zanti Misfits comedy team to perform at cons. The lead characters were Carstairs and Bunny, an intrepid British explorer type and his assistant. In an early episode, they encounter the baby Squid God, who bonds with Bunny. As a side note, Phil was actually the first artist approached about doing the art for the Suicide Squid t-shirts. He declined due to a booked schedule, so we went to Ty Templeton for the excellent art on the shirts. =================================================================== = From: pathetic@panix.com (Brian Youmans) = Date: 30 Jul 1993 05:31:11 -0400 = Message-ID: <23apov$dke@panix.com> Re that last letter col - yes, I thought that was a little unusual. Most writers simply ignore suggestions made by half-literate fans in the letter column. The reply of "Yeah, you're right, it was a stupid idea, it really happened your way." is kind of strange. But now they will have to go back and re-do the whole origin of Suicide Squid. What do you think we'll see, fans? =================================================================== = From: jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) = Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 20:20:40 GMT = Message-ID: <1993Jul30.202040.26397@julian.uwo.ca> In article <23apov$dke@panix.com> pathetic@panix.com (Brian Youmans) writes: >Re that last letter col - yes, I thought that was a little unusual. >Most writers simply ignore suggestions made by half-literate fans in >the letter column. The reply of "Yeah, you're right, it was a stupid >idea, it really happened your way." is kind of strange. Not *that* strange: the name at the bottom of the letter is Mathew Perigino, editor in chief. There have been rumours he wanted a return to the simpler styles of story telling. >But now they will have to go back and re-do the whole origin of >Suicide Squid. What do you think we'll see, fans? Not the foil-covered/prebagged all-sex issue, *that's* for sure. =================================================================== = From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) = Date: 31 Jul 93 17:32:23 GMT = Message-ID: In <1993Jul31.144912.26628@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> bpc@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Brian Cassidy) writes: > Why are there some gold issues of comics and why are they worth so > much? Also could someone name me a good gold issue to invest in. There are gold issues of some comics because Midas Press bought the rights to print some. They're worth a lot because gold is expensive. I'd recommend the gold issue of Suicide Squid #0 as the best to invest in -- the splash page with the giant oyster has a real pearl embedded in it. =================================================================== = From: silbrmnd@acf4.nyu.edu (silbrmnd) = Date: 3 Aug 1993 06:33:36 GMT = Message-ID: <23l0s0$qoi@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> In lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) writes: >There are gold issues of some comics because Midas Press bought the >rights to print some. They're worth a lot because gold is expensive. Only problem is, all that gold plating makes it kinda hard to read the extra pages they stick in... >I'd recommend the gold issue of Suicide Squid #0 as the best to >invest in -- the splash page with the giant oyster has a real pearl >embedded in it. Yep. Word of advice, tho, keep the SS#0 Gold in the freezer... One of my copies got left out accidentally, after a few days the oyster meat *really* started to smell... =================================================================== = From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) = Message-ID: = Date: 3 Aug 93 07:47:17 GMT That's what you get for being a speculator. I bought my SS #0 to eat, not to collect. =================================================================== = From: silbrmnd@acf4.nyu.edu (silbrmnd) = Date: 3 Aug 1993 15:59:07 GMT = Message-ID: <23m20b$r0j@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> I'm not a speculator, I'm a Collector/Reader... I bought my SS #0 to *read*, not eat. (besides, gold-plated oysters aren't kosher. :) =================================================================== = From: allbery@gold.gvg.tek.com (Richard Allbery) = Date: 5 Aug 93 06:30:34 GMT = Message-ID: <7078@gold.gvg.tek.com> Abhijit_Khale@transarc.com writes: >Returning to Ganthet's tale, the best way to evaluate the story is to >use the author-blind approach: [...] That's probably my problem--I'm not author-blind to Niven. I'd have a soft spot for a Suicide Squid GN if Niven wrote it. Therefore, I'll admit that I'm irrationally biased and stop arguing the subject 8-). =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) = Message-ID: = Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 04:02:43 GMT In article lis@cs.brandeis.edu (Elisabeth Riba) writes: >Geez... all this from a silly one-liner. At least no one has >written any fan fiction about this yet. Well, now we know what sort >of stats to put on the RAC trading cards. Either that, or maybe we >should split off rec.arts.comics.personals... SAS (Single Androgynous Squid), somewhat depressed, looking for companion. Ability to look and sound good for a large number of artists and writers needed, as is the ability to deal with mucho retcons. Must approve of Dr. Kervorkian. =================================================================== = From: zombie@redeye.EBay.Sun.COM (zombie) = Subject: Suicide Squid T? = Date: 13 Aug 1993 04:39:39 GMT = Message-ID: <24f5ub$gk3@ebaydns1.EBay.Sun.COM> Well, I've waited patiently. When do I get a chance to buy one? =================================================================== = From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) = Message-ID: <1993Aug14.220615.26748@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> = Date: Sat, 14 Aug 93 22:06:15 GMT Another victim of the SS T-Shirt hoax. This thing has been confirmed and denied so many times that it's no surprise that people keep thinking they can buy one. Here are the facts: There are no plans to make *any* SS t-shirts Tom Galloway and Eddie Maise are the guys responsible for the idea Let's hope nobody else is mislead. NOT Did you know I'm wearing a SS T-Shirt as I type this? =================================================================== = From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) = Date: 15 Aug 1993 01:44:01 GMT = Message-ID: <24k4d1$9bb@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> I think I have a cursed SS shirt. I've washed it until the shoulders are turning grey (originally black), and it still smells like untreated rubber. Dave Van Domelen, "Who's soldering too close to the insulation?" "Nobody, it's just my shirt." =================================================================== = From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) = Message-ID: = Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1993 05:06:14 GMT In article <1993Aug14.220615.26748@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes: [Bit about the t-shirt hoax deleted] > Did you know I'm wearing a SS T-Shirt as I type this? All this from a man who has his children asking for shirts in their sizes. And people complain that I corrupt my niece. =================================================================== = From: silbrmnd@acf4.nyu.edu (silbrmnd) = Date: 15 Aug 1993 06:58:46 GMT = Message-ID: <24kmr6$s1u@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> > I think I have a cursed SS shirt. I've washed it until the >shoulders are turning grey (originally black), and it still smells >like untreated rubber. Nope, yours isn't particularly cursed, they're all like that. (Or at least mine also smells...) =================================================================== = From: zombie@redeye.EBay.Sun.COM (zombie) = Date: 15 Aug 1993 07:35:38 GMT = Message-ID: <24kp0a$t73@ebaydns1.EBay.Sun.COM> In <1993Aug14.220615.26748@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) alleges: >Another victim of the SS T-Shirt hoax. Nope. I was lurking even back then. I know better. =;^) Anywho, someone said that they were going to do another batch about now. I demand to throw my money around!! =================================================================== = From: kieran@cmatter.physics.indiana.edu (kieran) = Message-ID: = Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1993 01:40:25 GMT In article <1993Aug5.144720.14026@Princeton.EDU> vnend@hotlips.Princeton.EDU (D. W. James) writes: >Ok, so, what is a superhero? > >So let's look at the word it self. Lets look at the parts. Superhero: a compound of "supe" and "rhero". Now if only we understood what they mean, we might be able to answer the question... :-) (apologies to Jack Handey) Kieran Mullen P.S. I *think* that "supe" is from the Urdu for self-destruction, and "rhero" is Sanskrit for cephalopods, but I could be wrong... Article 34673 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!agate!ames!koriel!west.West.Sun.COM!male.EBay.Sun.COM!ebaydns1.EBay.Sun.COM!redeye.EBay.Sun.COM!zombie From: zombie@redeye.EBay.Sun.COM (zombie) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: Unusual Squid Shirt placements (was Re: Suicide Squid T?) Date: 19 Aug 1993 02:54:01 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <24uq09$o76@ebaydns1.EBay.Sun.COM> References: <1993Aug18.174554.26592@midway.uchicago.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: redeye.ebay.sun.com In <1993Aug18.174554.26592@midway.uchicago.edu> lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu alleges: >In article conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes: >>I wore mine to the annual work evaluation meeting with my supervisor... >> >>So, where is the most unusual place YOU have worn your SS shirt to? > >How about a friend's wedding on Lake Michigan. :) Boy, I'd really like to contribute to this converstaion...BUT I still need the shirt! So, back to the original question. When is the next batch? Also, who do I contact? Thanks, zombie -- "You rope 'em, we brand 'em" -Sunset Gang Slogan ## "Get bent!" -Bartman # ### "I hate it when I can't gird my loins with funny animals." -Calvin ### "Once again, we've saved civilization as we know it" -James Tiberius Kirk "We'll make great pets" -Porno for Pyros #=;^)# zombie@redeye.EBay.Sun.COM Article 34675 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!hacgate!daops6!tony From: tony@daops6.scg.hac.com (Tony Wong) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: Unusual Squid Shirt placements (was Re: Suicide Squid T?) Message-ID: <36642@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> Date: 18 Aug 93 22:50:14 GMT References: <24296eINNntk@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> <1993Aug11.182928.7542@microsoft.com> Sender: news@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM Reply-To: ktwong@igate1.hac.com Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., Tucson, AZ Lines: 18 In article conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes: |In article , lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) writes: |> |> My brother loves his squiddy shirt. Hasn't worn it to church yet, |> but he does wear it while doing conflict management at school. | |I wore mine to the annual work evaluation meeting with my supervisor... | |So, where is the most unusual place YOU have worn your SS shirt to? I've never seen the SS shirt design before, can someone post the gif or jpeg of it? Or at least describe it? -- Anthony K.T. Wong | -Bubblegum Crash Support Group Hughes Missile Systems Co. | -Fone Bone Fan Club email: ktwong@igate1.hac.com | -"shirow" on #anime! .....................#include ............... Article 34677 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!nigel.msen.com!yale.edu!cmcl2!acf4!silbrmnd From: silbrmnd@acf4.nyu.edu (silbrmnd) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: Unusual Squid Shirt placements (was Re: Suicide Squid T?) Date: 19 Aug 1993 03:30:21 GMT Organization: The Net.Trenchcoat.Brigade Lines: 23 Message-ID: <24us4d$soj@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> References: <1993Aug18.174554.26592@midway.uchicago.edu> <24uq09$o76@ebaydns1.EBay.Sun.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: acf4.nyu.edu >>>I wore mine to the annual work evaluation meeting with my supervisor... >>> >>>So, where is the most unusual place YOU have worn your SS shirt to? >> >>How about a friend's wedding on Lake Michigan. :) >Boy, I'd really like to contribute to this converstaion...BUT I still >need the shirt! So, back to the original question. When is the next >batch? Also, who do I contact? Dunno when the next batch'll be, but try asking tyg -- his name's on the shirt... -DarkMage ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "But it's DEFINITE summat to tell yer GRANDCHILDREN,//Darkmage, BotL eh, Master Redlaw? "Coincidentally, the werry same//silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu day I was popped into a cookpot, I discovered //Darkrose of the n.t.b. Empusa's Inifinitely Extensible Chain, on a owl."-Master Levert, BoM#3 --------------------------------------------------------------------- -----(@ DarkRose of the net.trenchcoat.brigade @)--'--,--'--- Article 34680 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!decwrl!decwrl!netcomsv!netcom.com!jharkins From: jharkins@netcom.com (Jim Harkins) Subject: Re: Unusual Squid Shirt placements (was Re: Suicide Squid T?) Message-ID: Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <1993Aug11.182928.7542@microsoft.com> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 03:44:48 GMT Lines: 16 In article conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes: >So, where is the most unusual place YOU have worn your SS shirt to? The hospital. I had it on for the 5 hours my dad was in surgery last week and didn't even realize it until the surgeon commented on it while telling us everything was fine. (Hey! it passed the smell test! give me a break here, I didn't screw up *completely*) jim -- "I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming in terror like his passengers." Jim Harkins jharkins@netcom.com (preferred) San Diego, CA. jim@pacdata.com (!preferred) Article 34735 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!oracle!unrepliable!bounce Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc From: wkaufman@us.oracle.com (William Kaufman) Subject: Re: Unusual Squid Shirt placements (was Re: Suicide Squid T?) Message-ID: <1993Aug19.152547.8374@oracle.us.oracle.com> Sender: usenet@oracle.us.oracle.com (Oracle News Poster) Nntp-Posting-Host: wkaufman.us.oracle.com Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores CA References: <24uibi$jno@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 15:25:47 GMT X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. Lines: 19 In article <24uibi$jno@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> silbrmnd@acf4.nyu.edu (silbrmnd) writes: ] ] >So, where is the most unusual place YOU have worn your SS shirt to? Wore it to work once; that's about as unusual as I usually get,... ] I wore mine to an SCA demo... I had my fencing jacket and a ] (more-or-less period) tunic over it, but after a while it got hot, and I ] was walking around in medieval clothes and my SS shirt... Most people don't realize it, but SS tee-shirts were actually quite common wear in late 13th century France. The story of the Suicide Squid is probably one of the most enduring folktales of Western civilization. -- Bill K. Bill Kaufman | "May companies like Capital, Pacific and wkaufman@us.oracle.com | Comico reign forever!" | -- Steve Moncuse, sometime in 1984 Article 34765 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!charnel!rat!usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!hecto!lsmith From: lsmith@hecto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) Subject: Re: Unusual Squid Shirt placements (was Re: Suicide Squid T?) Message-ID: Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: hecto.cs.umn.edu Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor References: <24uibi$jno@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> <1993Aug19.152547.8374@oracle.us.oracle.com> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1993 19:02:12 GMT Lines: 32 In article <1993Aug19.152547.8374@oracle.us.oracle.com> wkaufman@us.oracle.com (William Kaufman) writes: > > Most people don't realize it, but SS tee-shirts were actually quite >common wear in late 13th century France. The story of the Suicide Squid >is probably one of the most enduring folktales of Western civilization. Not to pick nits, but I think you mean 16th century France. The custom also spread to England where SSquid shirt and cod piece were quite commonly worn when lords were called to the royal court. Kinda sorta on the folk tales. Over time the story has become known as Suicide Squid, but the original beast epic (which predates Reynard the Fox, BTW) had several names. Sebastian Squid is one of the earliest printed versions, but the story is known by different names in different countries. I believe in Russia, it was Sasha the Squid and in Germany it was Theo . Actually, I can't recommend the older German version for the faint of heart. The final denouement is quite gory and somewhat brutal. There's an interesting doctoral dissertation on the subject that I came across a few years back. It's out of University of Chicago (Glenn, do you know about this?) and it traces the traditional folk themes in the various comic books. It's fairly dry reading for such a wet topic, but serious Squidophiles might see if they can get a copy through interlibrary loan. I'll see if I can find the title and author. I'm sure the info i sin one of my SSquid files somewhere. )==========================( Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith | "He is an aristocrat and a peanut. Citizen (lsmith@cs.umn.edu) | St Just says that is enough to warrant his Reynard and Tybert's | death. I do not wish to argue with St Just." Biggest Fan | _Mr Peanut and the Reign of Terror_ Article 34864 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!decwrl!pa.dec.com!decabo.abo.dec.com!nfinit.enet.dec.com!wombat From: wombat@nfinit.enet.dec.com (Christopher M. Conway) Subject: Re: Unusual Squid Shirt placements (was Re: Suicide Squid T?) Message-ID: <1993Aug20.154114.1788@decabo.abo.dec.com> Lines: 20 Sender: wombat@outback (Christopher M. Conway) Reply-To: wombat@nfinit.enet.dec.com Organization: Prickly Wombat Enterprises References: <24uibi$jno@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> <1993Aug19.152547.8374@oracle.us.oracle.com> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1993 15:41:14 GMT I know someone who threatened to-- but never actually did, unfortunately-- wear it at a psychiatric hospital. -- In no way should any statement, question, or other transferral of information in this post be construed in any way as being an official communication of Digital Equipment Corporation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Christopher M. Conway | U*ix and C Guru wombat@nfinit.enet.dec.com | Legalize Freedom! wombat@juliet.ll.mit.edu | Resist the Tyrants in Washington, D.C.! nfinit::wombat (DECnet internal)| "We must all hang together or, most P.O. Box 92703 | assuredly, we will all hang separately" Albuquerque, NM 87199 | (505)761-2413 DTN 552-2413 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Anyone sending email to me implicitly releases said email for whatever use I choose, including, but not necessarily limited to, posting publicly. If you do not accept these terms, do not send me email. These terms do not apply to email the sole purpose of which is discussion of these terms, or to messages sent to mailing lists to which I have requested a subscription. Article 35094 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!merhaba.cc.columbia.edu!ejs16 From: ejs16@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (Eric Jaron Stieglitz) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: Unusual Squid Shirt placements (was Re: Suicide Squid T?) Date: 22 Aug 1993 18:21:50 GMT Organization: X-creators FAQ, inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <258dfu$qf3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <24296eINNntk@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> <1993Aug11.182928.7542@microsoft.com> Reply-To: ejs16@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: merhaba.cc.columbia.edu In article conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes: > >So, where is the most unusual place YOU have worn your SS shirt to? If only I had one to wear *sigh*. --- Eric Jaron Stieglitz ejs16@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu School: (212) 853-6791 (Sept 2) "You ate the only thing I ever loved!" Home: (401) 421-7479 -Seymour, LSoH Article 35156 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!think.com!ames!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!news.bbn.com!leekil From: leekil@bbn.com (Lee Kilpatrick) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: Unusual Squid Shirt placements (was Re: Suicide Squid T?) Date: 23 Aug 1993 02:33:09 GMT Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <24296eINNntk@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> <1993Aug11.182928.7542@microsoft.com> <258dfu$qf3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pork.bbn.com >In article conty@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) writes: >> >>So, where is the most unusual place YOU have worn your SS shirt to? I wore one to a comic book convention. Lee Article 35062 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!think.com!ames!agate!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!linac!uchinews!ellis!lf7z From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Good Taste Gone Glenn) Subject: Re: Unusual Squid Shirt placements (was Re: Suicide Squid T?) Message-ID: <1993Aug22.075939.11549@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago References: <24uibi$jno@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> <1993Aug19.152547.8374@oracle.us.oracle.com> Distribution: na Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1993 07:59:39 GMT Lines: 62 In article lsmith@hecto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes: > >There's an interesting doctoral dissertation on the subject that I came >across a few years back. It's out of University of Chicago (Glenn, do you >know about this?) and it traces the traditional folk themes in the various >comic books. It's fairly dry reading for such a wet topic, but serious >Squidophiles might see if they can get a copy through interlibrary loan. >I'll see if I can find the title and author. I'm sure the info i sin one of >my SSquid files somewhere. You might well wonder why it took so long to reply. Interesting story, that. Given the clue, I shored up on a bit of Old No. 7 corn mash, for the walk into the lion's den. The Office of the Dissertation Secretary, University of Chicago. After the customary scraping and bowing, I worked the topic into the conversation: I understand there's a rather dry diss on the oral tradition of comics, that speaks to the cephalopod. Much to my display, she tilted her head back and let go with a cackle, and came back a wicked grin, her face amazingly yet uncracked. It's anything but dry, she said. "Aquinas, Aquidity and Talking Drums for a Post-Literate Irrelativity," Pod Cephaluppagus, it's on Level C, she said. The problem, you see, is that there are but two basements to the mighty Regenstein, aptly named A and B. But, this is not a source one might trifle with, so I put together the necessary spelunking gear and put together a team, and going to no mean effort to fund it, I might add. On the 9th day of the expedition, we came on what looked like a volcanic chimney, save that it was obviously artificial, with an old hatch as might have been found on the early U-Boats. Entering the hatch, we came on an aged stairwell that obviously predated the library (and perhaps the nuclear tests under the Old Stagg Field as well). As I had predicted, level C was indeed below the water table, but not so far that our snorkels couldn't suffice for at least the initial reconnaissance. The Carson Sonar indicated a large open hall immediately before us, so we headed for that. We subsequently ran upon a skeleton of some antiquity, in an impossible pose belying a very painful end, however the arm pointed to an inscription in the floor. Now my Atlantean is pretty rusty, but I believe it read something like "Parliament of Books", and the words "Brine Shrine", with an arrow pointed menacingly toward the hall. With great trepidation, we passed through the coral gateway and into a large domed arena with a central altar. On this altar, there appeared to be a great barnacle-encrusted tome, lying open and inviting. We were not to be allowed a reading, as we were immediately set upon by the minions that most dastardly of daemons -- yes, it was Calimari! We spent several days in his cages, and would most assuredly be there still, were it not for the courageous intervention of our beloved ten-tentacled Aquatic Avenger of the Deep, the Suicide Squid. Wet, dry or otherwise; some books are best left closed. Pax ex machina, Glenn ...................................................................... "None now love me -- and none respect -- but there are few to compare with me, when I call on the Gods and squat to my cooking pots." --- Kipling g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know ...................................................................... Article 35354 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!mlkenned From: mlkenned@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Melita L Kennedy) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: Unusual Squid Shirt placements (was Re: Suicide Squid T?) Date: 24 Aug 1993 20:03:31 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <25ds6j$pd6@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <258dfu$qf3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu > >So, where is the most unusual place YOU have worn your SS shirt to? Well, this isn't a very unusual place, but the followup... I worked registration at Marcon (Col's,OH sf/f con) this past spring. On Friday, which was an exceeding busy time, a man noticed my shirt and babbled some stuff about having one at home. I realized he didn't mean a SS t-shirt, but I was frazzled, and went uh-huh, yeah, whatever. The next day, he came up and handed me a water pistol in the shape of a squid and walked off. Oh, my shirt smells fine. Melita mlkenned@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Article 35869 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!cmcl2!acf4!silbrmnd From: silbrmnd@acf4.nyu.edu (silbrmnd) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: Unusual Squid Shirt placements (was Re: Suicide Squid T?) Message-ID: <25m58b$evm@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> Date: 27 Aug 93 23:27:07 GMT References: <24uibi$jno@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> <1993Aug19.152547.8374@oracle.us.oracle.com> Distribution: na Organization: The Net.Trenchcoat.Brigade Lines: 46 NNTP-Posting-Host: acf4.nyu.edu >> Most people don't realize it, but SS tee-shirts were actually quite >>common wear in late 13th century France. The story of the Suicide Squid >>is probably one of the most enduring folktales of Western civilization. >Not to pick nits, but I think you mean 16th century France. The custom >also spread to England where SSquid shirt and cod piece were quite commonly >worn when lords were called to the royal court. Well, I'm a herald-in-training (sorta) so it's my job to pick nits... (pretty disgusting work, but you know how people get when you give them alittle power over someone... "Get all thos enits out of fluffy's hair, and if you do a good job I'll let you look through some of those books to document your squid... Mind you, it may not pass under the inherently disgusting clause...") The suicide squid, or an early relative, can actually be traced back to mid 15th century Italy, to the arms of a certain Gabrielle the Clueless (sable, squid rampant sword {herald-ese for "stuck through squid?"} argent, blood dripping gules). Gabrielle was known for her fighting skills (or, rather, her knack for dying on the field in amusing ways and then miraculously reappearing later that same day on the fencing field...;) No one is quite sure how or why she came by these arms (but there sure were a lot of 'em... ;) but legend has it that one day a strange looking T-tunic crafted of an oddly woven fabric with a picture of said squid materialised in her armour bag. She was often seen wearing the strange shirt under her armour when going into battle (especially during those hot summer wars). It's a little known fact that at the start of next century, while mucking about with time-warping spells and Really Kew-ul 'Puters (tm), a certain DarkMage lost (will lose?) her SS t-shirt in a mysterious shower of sparks. There is (will be?) some speculation that the original Suicide Squid is (was?) actually a later squid, closing one of those strange historical cycles. *8-) (seriously, tho, any SCAdians out there think the heralds'll pass a squid? *8-) -DarkMage ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "But it's DEFINITE summat to tell yer GRANDCHILDREN,//Darkmage, BotL eh, Master Redlaw? "Coincidentally, the werry same//silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu day I was popped into a cookpot, I discovered //Darkrose of the n.t.b. Empusa's Inifinitely Extensible Chain, on a owl."-Master Levert, BoM#3 --------------------------------------------------------------------- -----(@ DarkRose of the net.trenchcoat.brigade @)--'--,--'--- Article 35919 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!linac!att!princeton!hotlips.Princeton.EDU!vnend From: vnend@hotlips.Princeton.EDU (D. W. James) Subject: Re: Unusual Squid Shirt placements (was Re: Suicide Squid T?) Message-ID: <1993Aug28.174938.14567@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: hotlips.princeton.edu Organization: Princeton University References: <1993Aug19.152547.8374@oracle.us.oracle.com> <25m58b$evm@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1993 17:49:38 GMT Lines: 14 In article <25m58b$evm@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> silbrmnd@acf4.nyu.edu (silbrmnd) writes: )(seriously, tho, any SCAdians out there think the heralds'll pass a )squid? *8-) I'm a herald (formerly a Herald), and I *know* that a squid is a legal charge in SCA heraldry. No problem at all. Vnend Sometimes Kwellend-Njal -- Deeds, not words. vnend@princeton.edu {backbone}!princeton!nudity!vnend vnend@pucc.bitnet "It looks like a flaw in the ointment." Article 36113 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!rutgers!uwvax!cs.wisc.edu!faber From: faber@parmesan.cs.wisc.edu (Ted) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: Is everyone utterly serious about comics!? Message-ID: Date: 30 Aug 93 18:39:24 GMT References: <25tec6$pq8@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: news@cs.wisc.edu (The News) Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences Lines: 31 djs55750@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (the man ) writes: >Hello there, > > This is not meant to insult anyone, and the subject title is not meant to > demean comics in anyway or say they're for babies or anything, but I just > thgink some people look a little to seriously at them. > [more claptrap deleted.] Of course comics are *serious*. They're the best and most expressive medium on the planet and deserve *only* serious and voluminous criticism. If you can't see that you're obviously being distracted by too many other activities in your life. Oh, sure there are some "readers" who read stuff "for fun" but basically what they're saying is "I don't understand the Existentialism buried in Milk & Cheese, and I am therefore worthy only of derision." Do as I have done: quit your job, move into yor parents' basement and write lengthy and erudite annotations of Suicide Squid for publication in fanzines and on the net. You *can't* be too serious about comics. I can't believe I'm wasting reading time writing about this to the heathen. > > Dave "Please note that, unlike the vast majority of my very insightful posts, this is not a completely serious article." -- Gary Lewandowski -- Ted Faber Figment at Large faber@cs.wisc.edu "The ability to quote is a serviceable substitute for wit." -- Maugham Article 36322 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!quip.eecs.umich.edu!tyg From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: net.merchandise (was Re: When'd Eclipse Lose it? (was Re: GEORGE REEVES)) Date: 1 Sep 1993 01:35:49 GMT Organization: Interleaf Lines: 11 Message-ID: <260u9l$80e@zip.eecs.umich.edu> References: <24rgt8$j2u@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu> <24v20p$ku4@nuscc.nus.sg> <2501vm$3pl@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: quip.eecs.umich.edu In article <2501vm$3pl@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu> kens@css.itd.umich.edu (Ken Small) writes: >I am shamed. I turn in my Tom Galloway Junior Trivia Cop Badge >and all rights and privleges that go along with it. Please note that Ken only had a prototype version. The TYGJTCB is currently third in line for products from Squid, Inc., after a third run of Suicide Squid shirts (don't email, I'll tell you when I start taking orders) and Black Ink Irregular Secret Decoder Badges. "The seaweed of crime bears bitter Fruit-of-the-Loom" --Eddie Maise tyg tyg@hq.ileaf.com Article 36648 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!news.nd.edu!lazy.helios.nd.edu!mkelly From: mkelly@lazy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) Subject: Re: HELLBLAZER - Letters Message-ID: <1993Sep3.164623.4300@news.nd.edu> Sender: news@news.nd.edu (USENET News System) Reply-To: mkelly@lazy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) Organization: Univ. of Notre Dame References: <1993Sep3.101336.19464@cs.nott.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1993 16:46:23 GMT Lines: 32 faber@parmesan.cs.wisc.edu (Ted) writes: |> Let's pick a month and hold "r.a.c.m. jumps on Ennis month". Get the set of |> us who are continually let down by Ennis' writing and have everyone write |> their most critical and well-written letter to DC. I love this idea. |> I personally think it would be a riot to do this just to |> blow some Vertigo editor's mind. I mean these guys are used to fawning |> Sandboys who write bad poetry, twenty or thirty literate screeds denouncing |> Ennis cheap gore at the expense of characterization would probably make his |> or her head explode. And that's a moment you'll want to record on film. |> Anyone want to coordinate this? I'll be more than happy to 'co-ordinate' , as my criticism of Ennis has been pretty uniform since he started. Let me read the latest issue to see what has happened this time, and re-read the rest of his run to put it in perspective. If I think my points are valid, I'll type them up and send them off, with a copy for RAC.M . The only co-ordination I would ask is that we all ask for more Suicide Squid. |> "It happens sometimes, people just explode, natural causes."-Repo Man "Right...Time machines...." -- + Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics mkelly@doc.helios.nd.edu + + + + Trudge: The slow, weary, yet determined walk of someone who has no + + choice but to continue. -the Book of Weird (describing grad school?) + Article 36870 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!nigel.msen.com!yale.edu!cmcl2!acf4!silbrmnd From: silbrmnd@acf4.nyu.edu (silbrmnd) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Don't wear your SS shirts when... Date: 6 Sep 1993 05:49:06 GMT Organization: Where?!? Run away! Run awaaay!!! Lines: 71 Message-ID: <26ej0i$m8s@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: acf4.nyu.edu I should probably retire the Squid before it's too late, strange things keep happening to me when I wear it... Tonight was an interesting Squid night. Suicide Squid shirts are generally good conversation pieces when people notice you wearing them, but tonight was way out of control: After I unpacked the important stuff (my 'puter and my stereo ;) I got restless and decided to walk over to St. Mark's Place, to see if St. M's Comics had anything interesting (they were closed - and it was only 11:30!). On the way at least 1/2 dozen people (the d00dz selling books and 'cense on the street as well as some pedestrians who also looked like they'd just moved in and were in the mood to get out) made some sort of comment about it; the guy behind the counter at the deli I stopped in (to get a bottle of coke-- when I was unpacking I realized that I had NO SOURCES OF CAFFIENE IN MY ROOM!!!:) wanted to know what the Suicide Squid was. (What are some good nutshell explanations for non-english speaking people who wouldn't really understand anything like sarcasm or humor?). Ok, that was strange, but not too unusual, just more of the usual than I usually get in one dose. A little later (around an hour ago, maybe) as I was continuing to unpack, I tripped over my trunk and managed to slice open my foot. Not massively horrible, just one of those nasty cuts that refuse to stop bleeding. So after almost 10 minutes of sitting with my foot in the sink trying to stop the bleeding, I decided to go downstairs to see if the guy at the front desk had any ice, or one of those kew-ul blue ice-pak thingies. Apparently, sitting in a semi-public place wearing an article of clothing that has the word "suicide" on it along with a picture of a squid trying to commit suicide kinda graphically with blood all over one of your shoes and on your hands while a security guard leaves in a hurry (he went down to get me some ice) and a person-in-charge(sorta) sits with you and talks to you (one of the RA's was asking if I thought it was bad and she should get a nurse or something, and was waiting until the guard came back with the ice) can put strange ideas in people's heads... On my way back to the elevator, this girl I sorta know comes over and tells me that a few minutes before, as these guys are passing her on their way up (after passing by me, of course :) she hears one say to the other that it's sad, how some people can't take the pressure even before classes start... *8-) Then, as I'm closing the door to my room, someone passing in the hall looks at me, looks inside, sees the bloody footprints on my floor (and right outside my door, too.. :) and asks me in one of those don't-make-any-sudden-movements kinda voices they use on TV when they're trying to talk the guy down from the windowsill if I'm ok, and if I want him to call anyone... When I started laughing, he looked almost panicked, until I explained... I don't think he was reassured until I invited him in and showed him the sharp piece of metal sticking up from the corner of the trunk, and the actual cut... (Hmm, wonder if anyone ever tried to kill themselves by cutting accros thier toes... *8-) So, anyone else ever caught wearing their shirt at the "wrong time"? *8-) -DarkMage < this is the thread that never ends... it just goes on and on my friends... some people started reading it not knowing what it was, and they'll continue writing it forever just because this is the thread that never ends... > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "But it's DEFINITE summat to tell yer GRANDCHILDREN,//Darkmage, BotL eh, Master Redlaw? "Coincidentally, the werry same//silbrmnd@acf3.nyu.edu day I was popped into a cookpot, I discovered //Darkrose of the n.t.b. Empusa's Inifinitely Extensible Chain, on a owl."-Master Levert, BoM#3 --------------------------------------------------------------------- -----(@ DarkRose of the net.trenchcoat.brigade @)--'--,--'--- Article 36942 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!rutgers!uwvax!cs.wisc.edu!lewandow From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski [TSoD]) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: Don't wear your SS shirts when... Message-ID: Date: 7 Sep 93 02:01:55 GMT References: <26ej0i$m8s@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> Sender: news@cs.wisc.edu (The News) Organization: GaTEA, Slug Division Lines: 16 In <26ej0i$m8s@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> silbrmnd@acf4.nyu.edu (silbrmnd) writes: [about suicide squid:] >(What are >some good nutshell explanations for non-english speaking people who >wouldn't really understand anything like sarcasm or humor?). What's there to be sarcastic about? Explain that Squiddy is the Avenger of the Deep, maybe list one or two of his greatest adventures, and recommend they look for it in a comic store. -- Gary Lewandowski gary@cs.wisc.edu Theory Slug of Doom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Potential has shelf life. -- Margaret Atwood Article 37504 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!leafusa!tyg From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) Subject: Re: Philadelphia Comicfest Message-ID: Sender: usenet@HQ.Ileaf.COM Nntp-Posting-Host: valhalla Reply-To: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) Organization: Interleaf, Inc. References: <26qa09$m35@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 22:13:20 GMT Lines: 45 In article <26qa09$m35@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> aepereir@athena.mit.edu (Alvaro E Pereira) writes: > Is anybody going to this convention? I have seen very little posts > regarding attendance. Don't people know about it? It's been advertised in > every CBG for at least 3 months now. Anyway, it's October 8-11 in the > Philadelphia Civic Center and the reason I'm going is to see the Defiant > booth and presentations (and the PAD vs. McF feature). > It's about time they have a convention as large or larger than the > San Diego ComicCon in a place where a lot of people live next to. Well, I'm not at all sure just what's going to happen with Comicfest. First off, the producer of the show is claiming he'll get an attendance of 70,000. San Diego just broke 30K this year. This reminds me of how the Superman con in Cleveland a few years back was predicting 50K and fell rather flat. Philadelphia and Comicfest, like Cleveland, have no track record, so it's anyone's guess how many people will show up. On the other hand, Comicfest has a financial angel, someone who apparently made big bucks off of card dealing. There's talk of $250,000 for advertising in the Philly area, ranging clear up to NYC and D.C.. This presumably will help attendance, but I'll be shocked if it's anywhere near 70,000. Personally, I'd be ecstatic at 20K, possibly expecting 10K given the advertising. Also, San Diego has a certain synergy which has built up over the years. Pros come because they know they'll see most other pros and can do business with companies and editors. Fans come because they know that an incredible number of pros will show up. I go because it's the only comics con that puts real effort into its programming. As yet, we don't know how Comicfest will fare on any of these counts, although the Todd v. Peter matchup should help. Not sure if I'm going myself; I'm rather pressed for time during October due to a deadline at the end of the month (and this idea involving a third run of Squid shirts...) and may need to work that weekend so I can take a couple of days off the following week as my niece will be in town with her parents (if I can just ditch the parentals at the airport, I'll have four days to introduce her to serious comics stuff). If people do go, do get a true Philadelphia cheesesteak; they really don't make them as good elsewhere. Suggested venues from my time there would be Abner's up around 38th and Chestnut and Jim's down on South Street around 4th. "OK Jessica, nananana..." "NanananananaBatbaby!" "Oh god, they've bonded..." --me, my niece at 18 months, and my sister tyg tyg@hq.ileaf.com Article 125 of alt.fan.suicide-squid: Newsgroups: alt.fan.suicide-squid Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!ai-lab!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!netsys!pagesat!news.cerf.net!kaiwan.com!wetware!iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!ns!news From: granthh@ferrari.network.com (Harley Grantham) Subject: SeaQuest Connection? Message-ID: <1993Sep13.155933.4308@ns.network.com> Originator: granthh@ferrari Sender: news@ns.network.com Nntp-Posting-Host: ferrari Organization: Network Systems Corporation Date: Mon, 13 Sep 93 15:59:33 GMT Lines: 18 So did anyone else see SeaQuest dsv? The shape of the SeaQuest was obviously a tribute to Suicide Squid. I also think the pirate sub with all the gun turrets sticking out of it, (This is stealth?) was very similar to a vehicle one of Squiddie's foes used back in the sixties, but I can't quite place it. (My mother threw out my SS collection when I went to college, and I never replaced it.) Now I had heard that Speilberg was a big fan of Squiddie, but I never really believed it until now. Any truth to the rumor that Darwin the dolphin meets a squid later in the season? I under- stand Speilberg is trying to get the rights to use Suicide Squid in a cameo appearance. Anyone know what's up? -- Harley Grantham grantham@nsco.network.com Article 38130 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: UN: PoG test launch, 3/3 From: bill.dehaan@canrem.com (Bill Dehaan) Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uunet.ca!portnoy!dosgate!bill.dehaan Distribution: world Message-ID: <60.21328.3680.0N183C54@canrem.com> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 20:46:00 -0400 Organization: CRS Online (Toronto, Ontario) Lines: 74 Prisoners of Gravity "No Such Thing As A Free Launch" Schedule Episodes 1-10, September 1993-December 1993 (part 2/2) 6) Immortality THe pros and cons of living forever are examined this week, with Anne Rice, author of the best-selling _Vampire Chronicles_ (discussing her latest, _The Tale of the Body Thief_), and horror writer Clive Barker (_The Thief of Always_). Other guests include science fiction writer Spider Robinson (_Time Pressure_), Joe Haldeman (_Buying Time_), Ian McDonald (_The Broken Land_), Vernon Vinge (_Marooned in Realtime_), Brian Stableford ("The Magic Bullet"), and Gregory Benford ("Doing Lennon"). With comic book creators Neil Gaiman (writer, _The Sandman_), Len Wein (creator/writer, _Swamp Thing_), and Peter David (writer, _The Incredible Hulk_). 7) Time Travel Commander Rick examines on of science fiction's most popular and enduring concepts; Time Travel. With SF authors Connie Willis (discussing her latest novel, _Doomsday Book_, winner of the 1993 Nebula Award), L. Sprague de Campe (_Lest Darkness Fall_), Michael Moorcock (_Behold the Man_, winner of the 1967 Nebula Award), Gregory Benford (_Timescape_, winner of the 1980 Nebula Award), John Gribbin (Unveiling the Edge of Time), Robert Silverberg (co-author with Isaac Asimov of _The Ugly Little Boy_), Spider Robinson (_Time Travellers Strictly Cash_), Geoffrey A. Landis ("Ripples in the Dirac Sea", winner of the 1989 Nebula Award), and Joe Haldeman (_The Hemmingway Hoax, winner of the 1991 Nebula Award). As well, Rick attempts to discover which is the best time travel story ever writter. 8) Censorship Command Rick examines censorship in comics and speculative fiction, with his guests: fantasy author Jane Yolen (_White Jenna_), SD writer George Alec Effinger (_What Entropy Means to Me_); Kristine Kathryn Rusch, editor of The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction; Pamela Sargent, editor of SF anthology _Afterlives_; science fiction author Connie Willis discussing her short story "_Ado_"; film director David Cronenberg (_Naked Lunch_ and _The Brood_); Paul Stockton of the Comic Legends Legal Defence Fund; DC Comics editor Karen Bergerl and disabled cartoonist John Callahan, whose refusal to make his controversial cartoons "politically correct" won him a Freedom of Expression award from the American Civil Liberties Union. 9) Ecology/ZPG Command Rick examines the impact of over-population, and the Zero Population Growth movement, on current ecological concerns. Featured guests include science fiction writers David Brin discussing his near future novel, _Earth_; Frederick Pohl, co-author (with Isaac Asimov) of the non-fiction ecology book, _Our Angry Earth_; Kim Stanley Robinson (_Pacific Edge_); Joe Haldeman (_The Forever War_); Jerry Pournelle (co-author, _The Mote In God's Eye_); Barry B. Longyear (_Sea of Glass_); and comic book creator Paul Chadwick (writer/artist, _Concrete_). [note to r.a.c readers - Commander Rick wears a Suicide Squid t-shirt during the Joe Haldeman segment] 10) Advice Command Rick consults with creators, editor and writers about how to break into the science fiction and comic book fields, featuring authors Edward Bryant (_Particle Theory_), Candas Jane Dorsey (_Machine Sex and Other Stories_), Tanya Huff (_Blood Trail_), Nancy Kress (_Beggars in Spain_), Kim Stanley Robinson ("Down and Out in the Year 2000"), Lewis Shiner (_Deserted Cities of the Heart_), and Dan Simmons (_Summer of Night_); SF editor Kathy Gale (UK's _The Women's Press_). From the comic book world, Rick speaks with creators Sergio Aragones (Groo the Wanderer), Gene Colan (_The Tomb of Dracula_), M. W. Kaluta (_The Shadow_), Frank Miller (_Batman: The Dark Knight Returns_), and Marvel editor Fabien Nicieza (_Wonder Man_). With _Bizarro_ cartoonist Dan Piraro. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 Article 38781 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.cc.lehigh.edu!lafibm.lafayette.edu From: HC61000@lafibm.lafayette.edu (Chris Hare) Newsgroups: alt.comics.lnh,rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: LNH T-Shirts? Message-ID: <20SEP93.18350598.0072@lafibm.lafayette.edu> Date: 20 Sep 93 21:59:28 GMT References: <1993Sep15.124620.7352@wkuvx1.bitnet> <1993Sep18.162634.22294@dragon.acadiau.ca> Sender: usenet@lafibm.lafayette.edu Organization: Lafayette College Lines: 23 Originator: news@lafcol Nntp-Posting-Host: lafibm Xref: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu alt.comics.lnh:2542 rec.arts.comics.misc:38781 In article <1993Sep18.162634.22294@dragon.acadiau.ca> 003695s@dragon.acadiau.ca (Stephane Savoie) writes: >barnejd@wkuvx1.bitnet writes: > >>Well, why not LNH T-shirts? Anybody got any comments, ideas, >>suggestions, ways we could do it, etc.? > > What a cool idea! > It could be a splash page featuring _all_ the LNHers... > (Just kidding.) > Well... Why not? But we'd have to include the Raiders and Suicide Squid. >>-Drizzt > > --kid anarky > >>P.S. I am just suggesting the idea, not volunteering to do it. > >P.P.S. Don't look at me, I don't even know _how_ to do it... >-- >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > kid / * Steph Savoie Acadia U, Nova Scotia, Canada P.P.P.S. Look at me... I know this lady who does 'em. But ya gotta pay real money... Willing to make the ultimate sacrifice... Ca$h? Article 39268 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!charnel!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!udel!news.udel.edu!brahms.udel.edu!krupski From: krupski@brahms.udel.edu (James John Krupski) Subject: SILLY: Re: Levvies for September 22, 1993 Message-ID: Sender: usenet@news.udel.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: brahms.udel.edu Organization: Archivists of Darkness References: <27qsiv$mtv@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 19:45:14 GMT Lines: 16 In article <27qsiv$mtv@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) writes: >... >And the winner by a nose, >September 22: > Marshall Law/Pinhead crossover, "Law in Hell" #1 of 2 - Embossed cover >with red foil on black and white background, augmented by O'Neill's inherently >tacky and eye-paining art. Beautifully ugly, $2.95 Marshall Law meets Zippy? I can't imagine what that could be like... (Any Suicide Squid fans want to take a stab at this?) -Slippery Jim "The ability to pun is not a serviceable substitute for wit" -not Maugham Article 39274 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: alt.comics.lnh,rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!amd!amdahl!netcomsv!netcom.com!dani From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) Subject: Re: LNH: The T-Shirt revisited Message-ID: Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <27sr5d$4gu@sneezy.cc.utexas.edu> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 19:21:31 GMT Lines: 8 Xref: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu alt.comics.lnh:2612 rec.arts.comics.misc:39274 geurink@sneezy.cc.utexas.edu (Josh Geurink): >Now, as I recall, the big problem with the T-Shirt was deciding >who got to be on it, right? I mean, we certainly couldn't fit >ALL the members... Couldn't you just get an LNH edition of the Suicide Squid t-shirt, with a trenchcoat draped over one tentacle? Article 39314 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!quip.eecs.umich.edu!tyg From: tyg@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Tom Galloway) Newsgroups: alt.comics.lnh,rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: LNH: The T-Shirt revisited Date: 23 Sep 1993 22:48:31 GMT Organization: Interleaf Lines: 12 Message-ID: <27t93v$55v@zip.eecs.umich.edu> References: <27sr5d$4gu@sneezy.cc.utexas.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: quip.eecs.umich.edu Xref: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu alt.comics.lnh:2613 rec.arts.comics.misc:39314 In article , Dani Zweig wrote: >Couldn't you just get an LNH edition of the Suicide Squid t-shirt, >with a trenchcoat draped over one tentacle? No. [Geez Dani, what'd I do to deserve putting that thought in peoples' heads? Snore loudly at Worldcon or something?] "February 12 --The Indiana National Guard places itself on Full Beige Alert." --Dave Barry's 1988 Year in Review tyg tyg@hq.ileaf.com Article 39622 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!destroyer!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news.UVic.CA!sol.UVic.CA!jcowling From: jcowling@sol.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) Subject: Top Ten Things Newbies Say Message-ID: <1993Sep26.064553.25613@sol.UVic.CA> Sender: news@sol.UVic.CA Nntp-Posting-Host: sol.uvic.ca Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, B.C. CANADA References: <1993Sep25.063741.27412@sol.UVic.CA> <281p2s$3ud@balsam.unca.edu> <1993Sep26.061928.22653@julian.uwo.ca> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 93 06:45:53 GMT Lines: 38 From the home office in Victoria, British Columbia, here's the Top Ten things newbies say on rec.arts.comics.*.... 10. Say, what's all this I hear about Zero Hour? 9. Hey, is that REALLY Peter David? 8. My store doesn't carry Suicide Squid. Who publishes it? 7. I just found an old copy of Superman #278 in my closet. It doesn't have a cover and all the coupons were cut out. How much could I get for it? 6. Wow, yeah, all of those Image books are just toally k-rad awesome! Rob Liefeld's like the best artist in the fucking universe! 5. How come nobody here wants to discuss Lubricated XXX-Chicks? 4. My copy of Spawn #4 has two coupons, three covers, and nin page #1s! Is it worth anything? 3. Man, Sandman sucks cuz it's got all these fags 'n' stuff in it. 2. How do I quote articles on this thing? And how can I back up? And what does '/tmp/var full' mean? And how do I send private e-mail? And what's my phone number? And who am I? Can someone show me the way to Amarillo? I have a note... And the number one thing newbies say... 1. Hey, if someone took out Wolverine's brain, it'd kill him for sure, but they'd find some way to bring him back and I'd still be a fanboy geek. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scowling Jim Cowling, The Merchant of Menace / Charter Member: Evil Retailers Alliance / jcowling@sol.uvic.ca / scowling@io.com / CI$: 73233,626 / Fnord. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article 39624 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!news.clark.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!henson!n8942821 From: n8942821@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Western Student) Subject: Re: Top Ten Things Newbies Say Message-ID: <1993Sep26.072341.27362@henson.cc.wwu.edu> Organization: Western Washington University References: <1993Sep25.063741.27412@sol.UVic.CA> <281p2s$3ud@balsam.unca.edu> <1993Sep26.061928.22653@julian.uwo.ca> <1993Sep26.064553.25613@sol.UVic.CA> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 07:23:41 GMT Lines: 47 jcowling@sol.UVic.CA (Scowling Jim Cowling) writes: >From the home office in Victoria, British Columbia, here's the Top Ten things >newbies say on rec.arts.comics.*.... >10. Say, what's all this I hear about Zero Hour? Usually followed by: Is that a Youngblood spinoff? >9. Hey, is that REALLY Peter David? No, they usually say that in the real world to their terminals and each other, then debate it for a while and figure it must be the truth cause its in print. >8. My store doesn't carry Suicide Squid. Who publishes it? (Im looking for the #3 test cover, email me) >7. I just found an old copy of Superman #278 in my closet. It doesn't have > a cover and all the coupons were cut out. How much could I get for it? And they'll try to sell it on rac.marketplace as VF-NM. >6. Wow, yeah, all of those Image books are just toally k-rad awesome! > Rob Liefeld's like the best artist in the fucking universe! Locally it's: I dont buy comics for the writing, I buy them for the Liefeld art. >5. How come nobody here wants to discuss Lubricated XXX-Chicks? I admit, sometimes I wonder about this too. (Does that make me a bad person, heh heh) >4. My copy of Spawn #4 has two coupons, three covers, and nin page #1s! > Is it worth anything? A: Well, at least you only stupid enough to buy the issue and not send away for Image #0. (class action suit in the air) >3. Man, Sandman sucks cuz it's got all these fags 'n' stuff in it. Point them to Hellblazer, that should set them straight. >2. How do I quote articles on this thing? And how can I back up? And > what does '/tmp/var full' mean? And how do I send private e-mail? > And what's my phone number? And who am I? Can someone show me the way to > Amarillo? I have a note... I recommend capital 'q' to them. >And the number one thing newbies say... >1. Hey, if someone took out Wolverine's brain, it'd kill him for sure, but > they'd find some way to bring him back and I'd still be a fanboy geek. (and those issues would be worth more, and on CNN, and......) >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Scowling Jim Cowling, The Merchant of Menace / Charter Member: Evil Retailers >Alliance / jcowling@sol.uvic.ca / scowling@io.com / CI$: 73233,626 / Fnord. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article 39700 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!dani From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) Subject: Re: Suggestions for revised faq (was: Top Ten Things Newbies Say) Message-ID: Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <1993Sep26.061928.22653@julian.uwo.ca> <1993Sep26.064553.25613@sol.UVic.CA> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 23:20:13 GMT Lines: 79 [We would like to thank Jim Cowling for his help in compiling the faq] >10. Say, what's all this I hear about Zero Hour? Baseless rumor. Ignore it. Most of the rumors suggest that DC will be revising and rationalizing its continuity, but since this was already done eight years ago, simple logic shows the rumors to be false. >9. Hey, is that REALLY Peter David? Who? >8. My store doesn't carry Suicide Squid. Who publishes it? Tom Galloway is the publisher of Suicide Squid #1, which is now on its third printing. Suicide Squid comes in a variety of sizes -- one of the most ambitious cover gimmicks of the decade. >7. I just found an old copy of Superman #278 in my closet. It doesn't have > a cover and all the coupons were cut out. How much could I get for it? If this comic were in near-mint condition, it would only be worth $3, but it goes without saying that people who put extra effort into personalizing their comics have a right to be reimbursed for that effort. If you're thinking of selling it, I would ask for not less than $35 plus UPS charges. >6. Wow, yeah, all of those Image books are just toally k-rad awesome! > Rob Liefeld's like the best artist in the fucking universe! This is at least partially correct: Rob Liefeld is like the best artist in the universe in a number of respects. (Note: We may want to pull this item out of the faq, as it isn't really a question.) >5. How come nobody here wants to discuss Lubricated XXX-Chicks? The answer that's been recomended is: See rec.arts.comics.xbooks. >4. My copy of Spawn #4 has two coupons, three covers, and nin page #1s! > Is it worth anything? Yes. >3. Man, Sandman sucks cuz it's got all these fags 'n' stuff in it. A common misunderstanding: Sandman and Hellblazer are both Vertigo titles, but they shouldn't be confused. It's John Constantine who is constantly smoking. The issue has not been ignored: See, in particular, the "Dangerous Habits" storyline, in which the habit results in lung cancer. (Note: Should we rephrase this as a question?) >2. How do I quote articles on this thing? And how can I back up? And > what does '/tmp/var full' mean? And how do I send private e-mail? > And what's my phone number? And who am I? Can someone show me the > way to Amarillo? I have a note... a. Read your Unix manual. All of it. It's incredibly inconsiderate to ask the net to do your work for you if you don't have the simple decency to first do a little reading on your own. If you don't have a copy handy, your site administrator will. b. Read news.announce.newusers. All of it. The messages there were put in place to answer just the sort of questions you're asking. You can't ask better than that. c. If, after you've done this, you *still* don't know your phone number, ask again. >1. Hey, if someone took out Wolverine's brain, it'd kill him for sure, but > they'd find some way to bring him back and I'd still be a fanboy geek. See question 5. ----- Dani Zweig dani@netcom.com God helpe the man so wrapt in Errours endless traine -- Edmund Spenser Article 39704 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!ileaf!leafusa!tyg From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) Subject: Re: Suggestions for revised faq (was: Top Ten Things Newbies Say) Message-ID: Sender: usenet@HQ.Ileaf.COM Nntp-Posting-Host: valhalla Reply-To: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) Organization: Interleaf, Inc. References: <1993Sep26.061928.22653@julian.uwo.ca> <1993Sep26.064553.25613@sol.UVic.CA> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 00:19:56 GMT Lines: 22 In article dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) writes: > >8. My store doesn't carry Suicide Squid. Who publishes it? > Tom Galloway is the publisher of Suicide Squid #1, which is now on > its third printing. Suicide Squid comes in a variety of sizes -- > one of the most ambitious cover gimmicks of the decade. Not only a variety of sizes (5 at last count), but also colors (5 at last count), with and without special added poem (2), and slight design modifications on the cover image (3). Total number of varients at 70 (possibly minus a few if the poem wasn't on all sizes). Yes, I know that straight multiplication ends up at 125, but the first printing had five colors and the poem while the second and third have only two colors and a no poem edition. To the best of my knowledge, no one has a complete collection of varients, and no one even has all the ones excluding size varients. I'm probably closest; I'm only missing any white first printings. Coming up, the Suicide Squid toy line, my Levis commercial, and a debate with McFarlane over the rights to be the comics representative of our common Scots clan. "The seaweed of crime bears bitter Fruit-of-the-Loom" --Eddie Maise tyg tyg@hq.ileaf.com Article 40602 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!news.nd.edu!bsu-cs!bsu-ucs.uucp!yang.earlham.edu!yang.earlham.edu!nntp From: douga@yang.earlham.edu Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: The Last Word (was Re: PAD...Garbage!?!) Message-ID: <1993Oct1.132832.24680@yang.earlham.edu> Date: 1 Oct 93 18:28:30 GMT References: <1993Sep24.014953.18604@julian.uwo.ca>,<28fer3$1v4@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: Earlham College Lines: 18 Nntp-Posting-Host: yang.earlham.edu In Article <28fer3$1v4@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> grl48800@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (HGN-733) writes: >mikecap@lagrange.WPI.EDU (Zen, philosopher at large) writes: > >>In article <1993Sep27.170031.9620@julian.uwo.ca>, >>Marshall Law wrote: > >>>"Noone is above the law" - Judge Dredd > >>Noone? who's Noone? > >Wasn't he the guy with the hallucinogenic powers? > I've done that joke already; Noone is Pat Noone, Suicide Squid artist extraordinaire. (BTW, I *finally* found a copy of SUPERBOY AND THE LSH #261, which I think is her first pubished work. This was, of course, the issue where Tyroc attempted to join the Subs; great stuff.) --Doug Article 127 of alt.fan.suicide-squid: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!agate!goldfarb From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.fan.suicide-squid Subject: Re: Philadelphia's Comicfest '93 Date: 8 Oct 1993 08:25:05 GMT Organization: The Sinister Icy Black Hand of Death Club Lines: 14 Message-ID: <293851$925@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <93279.191217EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu> <292qgn$6fj@mozz.unh.edu> Reply-To: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) NNTP-Posting-Host: avalanche.berkeley.edu Originator: goldfarb@avalanche.berkeley.edu Xref: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu rec.arts.comics.misc:41579 alt.fan.suicide-squid:127 In article <292qgn$6fj@mozz.unh.edu>, Mike and Mike Again wrote: )If anyone's planning on keeping a list of RACMers who show up at the Con... I'm sorry, but legally we can't refer to ourselves as RACMers. I guess you haven't been reading _Squid_ lately, but Alonzo Mori has been featuring a character of that name, and plans to use him in a miniseries. He's threatened to bring the matter to a lawsuit. We must therefore call ourselves "Warriors of RACM". David Goldfarb |"...I'm a member of the Centre Extremist party. goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu | We have very moderate views, but if you don't goldfarb@UCBOCF.BITNET | agree with them, we'll kill you." goldfarb@soda.berkeley.edu | Article 41407 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!leafusa!tyg From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) Subject: Re: Philadelphia's Comicfest '93 Message-ID: Sender: usenet@HQ.Ileaf.COM Nntp-Posting-Host: valhalla Reply-To: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) Organization: Interleaf, Inc. References: <93276.164021EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu> <28pjqg$ncg@hecate.umd.edu> <93279.191217EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 01:22:54 GMT Lines: 9 In article <93279.191217EAO102@psuvm.psu.edu> Ernie Oporto writes: > Maybe we should at least wear nametags that say R.A.C.M. Of course, Suicide Squid shirts often serve the same purpose for iding r.a.c.ers. Although at Worldcon there were about 4 people wearing Squid shirts who'd been given them by friends. "The seaweed of crime bears bitter Fruit-of-the-Loom" --Eddie Maise tyg tyg@hq.ileaf.com Article 41411 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!darwin.sura.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail From: tara@hydra.unm.edu (L J Constantine) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Superhero Women in comics Date: 6 Oct 1993 21:56:06 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 35 Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9310070256.AA09180@hydra.unm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu >In article Abhijit_Khale@transarc.com writes: >>scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) writes: >>the JLA to Superman to Batman to the Atom to Teen Titans to Little Boy Blue > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > I thought I was the only one who remembered this guy! > >For those of you who don't know, Little Boy Blue was the subject of DC's >very first big event back in the 40's. They killed him off in his series, >and he was replaced by 4 different Little Boy Blue's; a punisher-like >Little Boy Blue, a Little Boy Blue in a suit of armor, a younger version >of Little Boy Blue, and a cyborg Little Boy Blue. The cyborg Little Boy >Blue turned out to be a power-mad Nazi. Upon completion of Reign of the >Blueboys, the Baby Blue Boy, armor Blue Boy and Little Miss Red-Head (his >female sidekick) spun off into their own series, and a popular Little Boy >Blue radio series premiered. Strangely, comic historians seem to forget >this fact. Are they ever going to collect his crossovers with Suicide Squid in tradepaperback form? Anyone? Anyone? LJC -- * tara@hydra.unm.edu * Lady Johanna Constantine * or just plain Tara * * "I don't believe in vampires." * * "Well, that's just too bad, 'cause they believe in YOU." * * Disclaimer: I dare unm to read something I've written. I dare em. :P * Article 41457 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!eddie.mit.edu!news.kei.com!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!siemens!princeton!phoenix.Princeton.EDU!vnend From: vnend@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (D. W. James) Subject: Re: The Debate: PAD vs McFarlane Message-ID: <1993Oct7.171226.15368@Princeton.EDU> Originator: news@nimaster Sender: news@Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: phoenix.princeton.edu Organization: Princeton University References: <03372@tbit.UUCP> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 17:12:26 GMT Lines: 17 In article <03372@tbit.UUCP> corwin@tbit.tch.org (Matt Brown) writes: )Assuming the debate goes forward, (after that scathing 2nd reply in )CBG), will anyone be posting it here? Is it possible to do so? I )have a lot of friends who would be very interested in getting a )transcript. I'll be there, but I don't know if I'll make a direct transcript. I'll definately post commentary and my opinion afterwards. I'll be wearing my Suicide Squid T-shirt, of course... Vnend -- Deeds, not words. vnend@princeton.edu {backbone}!princeton!nudity!vnend vnend@pucc.bitnet "Mnementh Express-- when it absolutely, positively has to be there in the time it takes to cough thrice" Article 41511 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!darwin.sura.net!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!concert!samba.oit.unc.edu!not-for-mail From: Sean.Russell@launchpad.unc.edu (Sean Russell) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: Superhero Women in comics Date: 7 Oct 1993 22:01:01 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service Lines: 22 Message-ID: <2923it$7p6@samba.oit.unc.edu> References: <9310070256.AA09180@hydra.unm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lambada.oit.unc.edu In article <9310070256.AA09180@hydra.unm.edu> tara@hydra.unm.edu (L J Constantine) writes: >>>the JLA to Superman to Batman to the Atom to Teen Titans to Little Boy Blue >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> I thought I was the only one who remembered this guy! [stuff deleted] >Are they ever going to collect his crossovers with Suicide Squid >in tradepaperback form? In the latest edition of Advance Comics, my copy was bagged with a blue-metallic foil ashcan of Little Boy Blue: Unleashed! Limited Series. It's quite exciting. I plan to subscribe to this one. I feel stupid, because there was a guy selling the entire LBB/Suicide Squid maxi-series for $20.00. I thought he was trying to rip me off, then I went home and checked Overstreet, and saw issue one alone for $20. I tried getting the guy's collection, but he sold it. -- The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80 Article 41714 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!koriel!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!noc.near.net!ileaf!leafusa!tyg From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) Subject: Re: DC: Bat Mite ( was Re: DC and Marvel on TV/Movies) Message-ID: Sender: usenet@HQ.Ileaf.COM Nntp-Posting-Host: valhalla Reply-To: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) Organization: Interleaf, Inc. References: <16C6042F.REIDCOLI@MAX.CC.Uregina.CA> <24.20534.2597.0NB2AD1A@pcohio.com> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1993 02:09:57 GMT Lines: 30 In article Abhijit_Khale@transarc.com writes: > Bat-Mite appeared in a few stories (I think less than 10) in the 50s and 60s. > I don't remember all his early appearances, but I think Chris Jarocha Ernst > had them indexed (yoo, hoo Chris, you out there ? ). Well, from Fleisher's Batman Encyclopedia we have: May '59 Detective 267 Batman Meets Bat-Mite (Fleisher describes this story in such detail that you almost don't need to see the actual issue) Feb '60 Detective 176 The Return of Bat-Mite Aug '60 Batman 133 Batwoman's Publicity Agent Nov '60 World's Finest 113 Bat-Mite Meets Mr. Mxyzptlk Dec '60 Batman 136 The Case of the Crazy Crimes Mar '61 Detective 289 The Bat-Mite Bandits Dec '61 Batman 144 Bat-Mite Meets Bat-Girl Feb '62 World's Finest 123 The Incredible Team of Bat-Mite and Mr. Mxyzptlk Mar '62 Batman 146 Batman and Robin's Magical Powers Dec '62 Detective 310 Bat-Mite's Super-Circus Sep '63 Batman 158 Ace the Super Bat-Hound Feb '64 Batman 161 The Bat-Mite Hero Sep '65 World's Finest 152 The Colossal Kids! 13 total stories, most in a three year period of 1960-62. > And folks wonder why some of us long term fans don't give up on DC. Where > else can you get characters like Bat-Mite ? Um, a drug induced stupor? The Greatest '50s Suicide Squid Stories Ever Told? "Aw, gee, Batman, where's your sense of humor?" --Bat-Mite tyg tyg@hq.ileaf.com Article 41752 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.superman Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!uwvax!cs.wisc.edu!faber From: faber@parmesan.cs.wisc.edu (Ted) Subject: Re: FAQ Re: $100 challenge (was Re: Zero hour: Stay tuned) Message-ID: Sender: news@cs.wisc.edu (The News) Organization: U of Wisconsin Madison - Computer Sciences References: <6OCT199313262705@ait.usa.poe> <293vmd$7qs@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1993 13:30:22 GMT Lines: 82 Xref: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu rec.arts.comics.misc:41752 alt.comics.superman:1808 tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) writes: >In article faber@parmesan.cs.wisc.edu (Ted) writes: > [Tom says High's postings are intentional misinformation deleted - he makes a pretty good case, but I think the malice is irrelevent] > >So I don't view putting this information in the FAQ as punishment, but rather >as useful information for newcomers that someone is deliberately posting >incorrect information and should be ignored. Yeah, but the FAQ tends to be long term proven facts, or accepted conjecture. Putting it in the FAQ gives it a much higher air of legitimacy than just saying it. If you want to post the Tom Galloway list of unreliable posters once a week (or once a day) that doesn't bother me. The FAQ should restrict itself to facts not the current posting habits of people. > Note that I've *never* suggested >doing this before; it's my opinion that we've never had anyone do this before >as their sole posts on the group. [for old-timers; yes, I do recall the >possible precedent. It wasn't this bad. Old-timers should also know why I'm >not mentioning a name or specific here]. You realize even that oblique reference will draw some response if he sees it, don't you? But, there have been plenty of precedents - people whose initial behavior was abhorrent, and cleaned up their act or went away. The net tends to take care of these folk on its own. > >>Net reps vary widely from person to person and I'd hate to see them codified >>- especially codified by one person. It's pretty hard to change your spots, >>if once a month 30,000 people are told you're unreliable. > >Once again, special circumstances. This is someone whose posts have *all* >been, as far as I know and can determine, incorrect information stated as >fact, supposedly backed up by inside information. If all someone is doing on >r.a.c.* is a disinformation campaign, I don't have a problem stating so in >public. I honestly don't see any shades of grey here in what he's doing. OK, let's assume that it is disinformation. So what? As someone (Gary?) mentioned, all the Suicide Squid stuff is disinformation, it's just that we're in on the joke. Frankly what little of his stuff I read, I don't see how anyone could take this guy seriously. I mean, my immediate reaction was a big "You are Dumb." and skip the thread. Anyone who believes him will realize that they were wrong pretty quick. The net will police it's own. I'll avoid the obvious USENET reference to the most famous group of Europeans who claim special circumstances to deal with people who don't conform. > >[Tom debates Harlan&Susan Ellison on SNR ] > While I had some counterpoints to them, I'm also sensitized to how >someone doing deliberate misinformation of facts on a network leads to a >decrease of integrity of the whole (OK, all together now..."imminent death of >the net predicted! GIFs at 11!" :-)). I believe that if someone is doing >that with the frequency that High and Co. are, they should be called on it. The single thing we disagree on is the use of the FAQ to institutionalize this calling. Hell yes - this bozo should be called on his aggrivating behavior and stupidity or disinformation. But there is no net.cop here - even in the form of a FAQ. Denounce him, bet him, whatever - but in an unmoderated group like this no one should have the ability to make ad hominem statements about another poster in an "official" document. As I said, I'll hold the money, but I can't condone the use of the FAQ. Actually, I agree with Gary's suggestion - a general warning in the FAQ, and then use of the clip'n'post warnings. > >tyg tyg@hq.ileaf.com "I must have seen it in a USENET posting; that's sort of like hearsay evidence from Richard Nixon." -- Blair Houghton -- Ted Faber Figment at Large faber@cs.wisc.edu "The ability to quote is a serviceable substitute for wit." -- Maugham Article 41815 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!darwin.sura.net!udel!princeton!nudity!not-for-mail From: vnend@nudity.uucp (David W. James) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Phil. ComiCon, day 1 Date: 9 Oct 1993 23:39:12 -0400 Organization: Acta non Verba, Skillman, NJ Lines: 94 Message-ID: <298050$1e4@nudity.uucp> NNTP-Posting-Host: nudity.uucp Philladelphia Comicon, Vnend's view. I left work about 1:30 and drove the hour drive down to Philladelphia for the comics show, because I wanted to report on the 'debate' between Peter and Todd. And, like an idiot, I believed the flier when it said 'plenty of parking'. Yeah, right. I got to the convention (fashionably attired in my Mk1 Suicide Squid tshirt, as promised) and wisked though the ticket sales and admission. I then hurried down, all the way to the far side of the center, back and forth a few times and back up to where they had the debate. I got there about 20 after 3, and the festivities were already in full swing. I'm not going to try to recall exact quotes, but suffice it to say that Peter played the crowd like a drum, and Todd is not the most polished public speaker I've heard. As a debate, it was a farce, as both sides tended to avoid answering the questions the other raised (with a few exceptions) and tended to go off on a tangent. The thing was, Peter's tangents at least had an internal logic, which Todd's, more often than not, didn't. Todd *did* have an answer for *one* of Peter's questions, concerning the fate of the second generation of Image creators. Peter asked why they were held to a higher standard than the originals, and Todd's answer was that that was what they contracted to do (meet that higher standard) and they failed. When they failed, the contracts were terminated. Unfortunately, that was one of the few times I understood Todd's answer enough to say he replied. It wasn't pretty, it wasn't that impressive, but it was funny at times. It sounds like it will be carried, hopefully verbatum, in Peter's BID column. Of the three judges, two said that the fundimental question of the debate "Has Image been treated fairly by the media?", was answered that yes, it has been, and one more or less abstained. The crowd was pretty much in agreement. There was a remarkable number of camcorders there, so tapes should be floating around. And Peter closed the debate by announcing that the cover artist for his collection of BID columns was to be none other than that famous comic book artist, Neil Gaiman. Right. After the debate I spent a few hours wandering around the show floor. Personal highlights were: The Vertigo table, where I got to see photocopies of the first two "Children's Crusaide" books, as well as a photocopy of Sandman 56 and a set of proof pages for the Death Gallery (which does indeed have a nude Death in it.) The Mirage table, where I got to thank Peter Laird for some wonderful fun over the years. Recognizing a familiar face and getting to buy yet another copy of Understanding Comics (another gift) from Scott McCloud, and saying hello to Ivy and Skye (Skye is growing, not to surprisingly. She'll be six months on Tuesday.) Scott says that there have now been about 30 24-hour comics done that he has seen. Oh, and word is that the second Zot! collection is starting to look more likely! Yeah!!! Getting to meet Larry Marder, and a chance to purchase the first two Beanworld collections. If I had had the money, I could have bought all the back issues up to twenty, but I'll be doing those mail-order instead. Larry is interesting to talk to, and the good news is that he hopes to get 3 Beanworld books out in the next year, and then get on a quarterly schedule and keep to it. Good stuff, I hope it works out. Explaining to the creator of Cherry Poptart about Suicide Squid (he was the only person to comment on it all evening.) The Gumby exhibit was interesting, and the Museum of Comic Art was selling signed Beetle Bailey galleries for $5!! A fair crowd, a good selection of vendors, and artists and business types. I'm not sure it was worth the $10 a one-day pass costs, but since I have plans for the rest of the weekend, a 4 day pass would have been a waste. I do think that next time I'll talk to someone about getting a pass. With any luck, it will come with a parking space... -- Hagar the Horrible reminds you 'Ignorance is the mother of adventure.' vnend%nudity.UUCP@Princeton.EDU or vnend@Princeton.EDU if that doesn't work. "Fools say that they learn by experience, I prefer to profit by other's experience." - Bismark Article 49516 of alt.folklore.computers: Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!charnel!rat!mimbres.cs.unm.edu!nmt.edu!prism!stephan From: stephan@mat1.nmt.edu (Stephan Witz) Subject: Re: 60 Minute Story In-Reply-To: gnurrr@cs1.bradley.edu's message of 7 Oct 1993 16:42:09 -0500 Message-ID: Sender: news@nmt.edu (News software) Nntp-Posting-Host: mat1 Organization: New Mexico Drek References: <2922fh$s93@cs1.bradley.edu> Distribution: na Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 03:06:41 GMT Lines: 45 gnurrr@cs1.bradley.edu (Douglas Hanna) said: >Did anyone see the story that 60 minutes did last sunday reagarding >computer programmers? A friend of mine had seen it and I was wondering >if I could get a little more elaberation on it. Here is a synopsis of >it: Large US companies were hiring large number of foreign nationals, >mainly chineese, indian, SE-Asian to work in sweat shop style programming >environments, for less than minimum wages (less than $20/week). These >people would only be paid if they produced enough code to satsify their >employers. Two employers mentioned were HP and IBM. Gee. Sounds like what's happening with grad students here at the college I attend B*P. The turnover rate is fantastic. No, but seriously, I have trouble giving this report merit since I can readily imagine the sh*t that would hit the fan if this were so. I can, however, imagine such a company setting up shop overseas to beat the cost of hiring professionals. Post it if you get a more informative response. I doubt this goes on in the US, but then again look at AIX and HP-UX. It could happen. >DISCLAMER INFO: This is only what was mentioned to me. I have nothing >against ANYONE having a job. My beef is with the companies that are doing >this. My views do not represent anyone but myself. More info would be >nice. Thanks >-- >Internet: gnurrr@bucs1.bradley.edu | If the world is your >Real Net: Douglas Hanna | oyster... >Ma Bell Net: (309) 677-1816 | what's the pearl? >Voice Net: Just yell real loud! | ---Douglas Hanna -- |From _Consciousness_Explained_ by Daniel Dennett, pg 177 | "The juvenile sea squirt wanders through the sea searching for a table | rock or hunk of coral to cling to and make its home for life. For this | task, it has a rudimentary nervous system. When it finds its spot and | takes root, it doesn't need its brain anymore so it eats it." | |-stephan@nmt.edu Article 43512 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!charnel!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!sdd.hp.com!nigel.msen.com!yale.edu!news.yale.edu!stiles-42-kstar-node.net.yale.edu!user From: sirowe@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Si Rowe) Subject: Re: suicide squid? Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.fan.suicide-squid,rec.arts.comics.misc Sender: news@news.yale.edu (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: stiles-42-kstar-node.net.yale.edu Organization: North Pole Expotition References: <2a2t1n$imq@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <2a3biuINN9mp@xsa04.gl.umbc.edu> <2a3qi7INNah5@xsa04.gl.umbc.edu> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 14:41:06 -0500 Lines: 39 This appeared on alt.fan.suicide-squid recently, and I thought I'd forward it to racm as a public service. ---- In article , sirowe@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Si Rowe) writes: |> In article <2a3biuINN9mp@xsa04.gl.umbc.edu>, pmarsh1@umbc.edu (Freddie) |> wrote: |> |> > Ok. Quick question. Is this newsgroup for the discussion of the Suicide |> > Squid from Red Dwarf, or is it something else? |> |> There's a Suicide Squid on Red Dwarf? I haven't seen that one... |> |> This is a fan group for the acclaimed comic series _Suicide Squid_ by |> Alonzo Mori. You should definitely check it out, if you haven't heard of |> it. It's a writhing social satire, replete with irony and environmental |> critique. Publication is a bit erratic these days, so the group doesn't get |> much posting. For more details, see rec.arts.comics.misc. Woops. Pardon me and my assumptions. What comic firm puts out _Suicide Squid_? And what's the usual cover price? (Now I'm interested. I like the darker satirical comics. Much more than the super hero crap.) But in response to the squid in RD, it was in "Back to Reality" and would make people go into despair so much that they committed suicide. It was the last episode of last season. -- _____________________________________________________ / __ __ / / . __ / I say what I think... \ /_ / /_/ __/ __/ / /_/ / I don't talk much \ / / /_ /_/ /_/ / /_ __/_____pmarsh1@umbc8.umbc.edu_____\ Article 44245 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.fan.suicide-squid Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!ileaf!leafusa!tyg From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) Subject: Suicide Squid t-shirts ordering info Message-ID: Sender: usenet@HQ.Ileaf.COM Nntp-Posting-Host: valhalla Reply-To: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) Organization: Interleaf, Inc. Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 03:25:51 GMT Lines: 78 Xref: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu rec.arts.comics.misc:44245 alt.fan.suicide-squid:128 Due to personal circumstances (a combination of my car being rearended [no injuries], my niece's visit to Boston, and work), I'm extending the deadline for Suicide Squid orders to November 8th. I expect the shipping schedule to be off by no more than a week, likely with no delay at all, as I built some flexibility into it. The rest of this post is the same as the original, just with the dates changed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Orders for a third run of t-shirts featuring r.a.c.'s mascot Suicide Squid are now being taken. Great for being noticed at r.a.c. get togethers, cons, and just for those with a general odd fashion sense (seriously, wearing the shirt usually results in several favorable comments from passers-by). The shirt features art by professional artist Ty Templeton (Stig's Inferno, JLI, Batman Adventures, and currently just finishing up the good half of the 6 issue Mad Dog mini-series). The main design is that of a vaguely depressed looking squid. One tentacle is holding a noose around the equivalent of a neck, another holding a gun to its head, one holiding an open bottle of sleeping pills, another sticking a knife in a toaster, one slitting another at the "wrist" area with a knife, one holding an open book titled "Selected Moaning and Groaning" by Kafka, and one holding a steak with an attached "Here Sharks!" placard. Above Squiddy is a red Suicide Squid logo, and below the slogan "The seaweed of crime bears bitter sushi". The art is in four colors, red, black, white, and grey. The design has received favorable comments from pros such as John Ostrander, Kim Yale, Len Wein, Marv Wolfman, Lea Hernandez, Peter David, and Harlan Ellison (all mentioned specifically because the crux of their comments was "I want one!") The shirt is available in both ice green and black colors, and is an Oneida 100% cotton model. All usual adult sizes are available, with a couple of caveats found in the order info section. The schedule for this run is as follows: Orders will be taken through November 8th. At that point, the shirts will be printed by the same printer as did the second run shirts (and also The Tick t-shirt btw). There is a good chance that I'll be out of town from that point until November 20th. Shirts will be mailed out the week of the November 22nd (American Thanksgiving), hopefully just beating the onset of the xmas mail crunch. To order, provide the information requested below. First, email it to me at tyg@hq.ileaf.com Then, send the information and a check (if in the U.S.) to me via snail mail at the address below. The snail mail must be received by November 8th. Pricing: US$10 per shirt. US$11 per shirt for XXL sizes. US$.50 of each shirt will be donated to the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund in the name of r.a.c.. US addresses will receive their shirt(s) via USPS Priority Mail. Postage/handling for US addresses is $3.00 for 1-3 shirts, $6.00 for 4-6 shirts, $9.00 for 7-9 shirts, and you can figure out the progression should you want to order a larger number. If you want to combine an order with someone else in your area to save on postage, that's fine, but it's up to you to arrange it. People from outside the US, please email your order to me and wait for me to reply to let you know postage for your country and to arrange for how to get payment to me. My bank has a problem with foreign checks, even in U.S. dollars, but I've always been able to work things out in the past. Order form: Name: Mailing Address: City/State/Postal Code: Country: Email Address: Number, Size(s), and Color(s) of shirt(s): If ordering a small or medium, would you be willing to take a large? (This is due to a minimum of six shirts per size. If I end up with only one small ordered, say, I may have to refund your money unless you're willing to take a large) Mail to: Email: tyg@hq.ileaf.com Snail mail: Tom Galloway P.O. Box 1433 Waltham, MA 02254 USA "The seaweed of crime bears bitter Fruit-of-the-Loom" Eddie Maise tyg tyg@hq.ileaf.com Article 44365 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: alt.comics.superman,rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!ileaf!leafusa!tyg From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) Subject: Re: What are the 10 best series or story arcs? Message-ID: Sender: usenet@HQ.Ileaf.COM Nntp-Posting-Host: valhalla Reply-To: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) Organization: Interleaf, Inc. References: <1993Oct25.213451.8874@news.unomaha <2ahso4$1cv@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <2ajol4$p5d@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> <1993Oct26.194211.21728@news.yale.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 20:43:11 GMT Lines: 17 Xref: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu alt.comics.superman:2193 rec.arts.comics.misc:44365 Btw, I'd suggest people edit out rec.arts.sf.tv and rec.arts.tv from the Newsgroups: line...alt.comics.superman is borderline too. A suggestion on this; this sort of top ten list, in my opinion, gets stale *real* fast when everyone posts just a simple list of ten titles. This sort of thing works a lot better when a) someone volunteers to take these lists via email and post a tally of the final results or b) if you post a list, say why you think Suicide Squid: One Little, Two Little, Three Little Tentacles was such a great arc (or whatever arc you're listing). Perhaps the original poster would like to volunteer to do an email tally? "'They took out the SQUID?' I said. 'The squid is GONE?' It turned out that everybody else knew this, including probably the Live Studio Audience. So we had to do that part again, with my brain feverishly repeating 'No squid! Smaller yuppies!' (This would be a good slogan for a restaurant.)" --Dave Barry tyg tyg@hq.ileaf.com Article 44483 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!decwrl!decwrl!news.kpc.com!amd!amdahl!netcomsv!netcom.com!dani From: dani@netcom.com (Dani Zweig) Subject: Re: What are the 10 best series or story arcs? Message-ID: Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <1993Oct26.194211.21728@news.yale.edu> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 16:35:40 GMT Lines: 28 tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway): >This sort of thing works a lot better...if you post a list, say why >you think Suicide Squid: One Little, Two Little, Three Little Tentacles >was such a great arc... Excellent example, since that is going to appear in just about everyone's top-five list. So many writers give in to comic book convention, and end all their romances with the love interest tragically dying or inexplicably losing interest or implausibly becoming Evil. It was a pleasure to see a romance that ended well. And the arc ends with one of the best uses of a splash page I've ever seen, as the lovers dive into the sea arm in arm in arm in arm in.... That this romance *did* eventually end badly does not reflect upon that arc, partly because the end came much later, and partly because it too was so well written. I'd place that followup arc in my top five, as well. "No One Supposes Mitosis is Roses" takes a cliche -- that splitting up can be painful -- and makes it live! ----- Dani Zweig dani@netcom.com 'T is with our judgements as our watches, none Go alike, yet each believes his own --Alexander Pope Article 44544 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail From: mglee1@students.wisc.edu (Michael G. P. Lee) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: Comics poll rules: problem Date: 27 Oct 1993 19:53:30 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 62 Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <199310280055.TAA07900@audumla.students.wisc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu In article <2an0kt$80e@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Alan J Wescoat, awescoat@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu writes: > My other concern is that this seems to have become some sort of contest. I >though people would just post opinions rather than cast a vote. The notion of >the final list does not seem to be in the spirit of the original idea. Did I >just misinterpret the whole thing? I agree with what you are saying; for example, I think it is almost given what will win best independent, especially if it is broken down to best B&W independent. However, the reason why it was broken down into a "mail me your top ten" was because people were posting JUST THOSE, without any additional commentary. I don't really care what your top ten are, necessarily, I want to know why you like the ones you do. I don't care if specific storyline makes it into someone's top ten. If, as often happens, all you're doing is jumping on the bandwagon, you might as well send it to someone who'll then compile them all together and post "the top 20 storylines of racm". Saves time on our part. However, if you are interested in saying "My favorite storyline is the Secret Origin of Suicide Squid because the issue entirely underwater when the Squid's childhood best friend dies moved me to tears...." that's great to see; after all, I know many of my purchasing decisions take into account opinions I read here. Lots of people on the net seem to like Cerebus, or Sandman, or whatever, so I pick it up. That's why I read the newsgroup, because I like to know what comics other people read and enjoy. I can think of two very recent examples of comics I've picked up within the last month or so based on the opinion on the net - John Byrne's Next Men and Cerebus. Two extremely different comics, that both have at least a few people on the net who like them, and I've read a lot of positive comments here about them. So, I pick up an issue (or in Cerebus' case, one of the books), and quite often (and in both these cases) I enjoy them quite a bit. Why? JBNM: Takes elements of the standard superhero genre, makes a few twists, has a time travel element - a favorite subject of mine. Is allowing the superheroes to have real consequences in the world, but on a more gradual scale then scene in something like Miracleman. Cerebus: Very effective use of B&W. I'm used to color comics, so I was surprised how effective and distinct the B&W element gave to the book. Satire of lots of stuff. The emmense scale of the project. Not being especially trapped in one genre: some issues serious, some comic. I've been brief up there, but it explains the type of things I like about reading this group, and when top-ten lists are proposed, I'd rather see someone describe why they like five (or even just one) comics then post a generic list of ten, and if you want a "poll" and have a result, someone should collect and compile the list. Thanks for your time. Also, top ten lists are extremely cyclic; but people's complete opinions aren't, and are much more interesting. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael G. P. Lee "Now it's the same room but everything's different michaell@cs.wisc.edu you can fight the sleep but not the dream" mglee1@students.wisc.edu - Crowded House, Weather With You Article 44562 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!dvandom From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Dave's Other Rant: Bloodbath, Ferret, Dragon/TMNT Date: 28 Oct 1993 03:01:53 GMT Organization: American National Spap Oop Society Lines: 61 Message-ID: <2ancn1$8co@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Dave's Other Rant: Bloodbath #1 - DC Ferret #6 - Malibu Savage Dragon/TMNT #1 - Mirage Gee, once I separated out the LSH titles, there weren't enough DC to do a Rant Bloodbath: Well, for what was meant to be a 'hunt down then fight' story it was done fairly well. Wojtkiewicz's pencils are kinda mangled by Gemdjian's inks in part one, but Keith Wilson's inks don't hurt Bill Willingham's pencils in Part Two. Part One is basically the hunt for the spaceship of the Parasites. Glonth gets captured after attacking people inside a plane, and is tricked into giving away the location of the ship in a fairly clever scene. Part Two is storming the ship while the Parasites break Glonth out, then the fight and chasing in the ship, then the awakening of Cthulhu. C'mon, if it looks like an Elder God, drains psychic energy like an Elder God, has facial tentacles like an Elder God, it's an Elder God. Either that or it's Suicide Squid's big brother. The good guys execute another Clever Plan to entrap the Parasites, but unfortunately if fails in the long run, as the Cthooby Dhoo is raised (the Taker). Of all the heroes, only Superman escapes, to go raise the army of New Blood for issue 2. Joy. A nice story, but not worth $3.50. Ferret: Mostly reviewed already, I'll just add a few things. First off, no matter how confusing it's laid out, a battleship is only so big...I agree Bloodlust shouldn't have wasted so much time searching. The scene with the Brinkston survivor was way overplayed and in general sucked. The main story was a fight scene with some flashbacks and some badly done foreshadowing. Sigh. The backup had rather cartoony art, and I mean that in a bad way. Note that Ferret does not kill K'napp Khaan, although he tries. I'm still waiting for him to find out that Orjok was a tyrant, his daughter worse, and that K'napp was actually a liberator (despite being an utter jerk). However, I get the feeling that this story really is only what it looks on the face. Ugly equals evil, pretty equals good. Sigh. Dragon/Turtles: Dooney does a great job of capturing the look of Dragon's face, although the body could use work. The busty sorceress's motivations aren't adequately explored, which is a bit of a bummer, although at least she now looks like she could stand in a gravity well. The issue in general reads like one of Dragon: good art, simple but adequately-told story, some good quips. A fun read, nothing deep. Then an obscene number of ads in the back. }-> Dave Van Domelen, "Now c'mon, let's admit it. This is just getting too absurd!" - Michaelangelo Article 44686 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!hal.com!decwrl!amd!amdahl!JUTS!izo30 From: izo30@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Ian O'Brien) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: High is *gone* form the internet Message-ID: <19Uk02m655Kq01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com> Date: 28 Oct 93 23:10:03 GMT References: <1993Oct27.153838.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> Reply-To: izo30@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Ian O'Brien) Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA Lines: 31 In article <1993Oct27.153838.1@fnalo.fnal.gov> morrow@fnalo.fnal.gov (The Closing of the Elmo) writes: >-- >"I'm sure that somewhere there are people who don't know that Paul Michael >Lewis doesn't like Jill Thompson's pencils. The jungles of Borneo or maybe >Tierra del Fuego might hold such uninformed people. However, the rest of the >world certainly knows it by now. In many nomadic tribes, it has become part >of the oral tradition passed from father to son. In Japan, children in intense >pre-school programs learn the fact at age three. In Arkhangelsk, Russian >sailors tell and retell the tale to pass time during long winter nights." >--Lance `Squiddie' Smith > >elmo (morrow@physics.rice.edu,morrow@fnal.fnal.gov) [set lurk_mode = false] I believe the correct expression is BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA but I'm much too well bought up to use it. Now this is a form of humour and noise *I* don't mind seeing on News, unlike the current re- kindling of the High flame war. ObSquid: Is there any truth in the rumour that the US Surgeon General's office has convinced DC to issue "Public Health" type posters of SS as part of their new teenage suicide campaign with a tie-in to the "Children's Crusade"? [set lurk_mode = true] -- --- *** Ian O'Brien UN?X Systems Adminstrator, Amdahl Ireland Limited *** *** Phone: +353-1-8403001 or +353-1-7046312 Fax: +353-1-8403776 *** *** Amail ID: izo30 InterNet mail: izo30@ail.amdahl.com *** Article 44828 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!decwrl!decwrl!uunet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!dvandom From: dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: E=mc^2? Since when? Date: 29 Oct 1993 18:24:20 GMT Organization: American National Spap Oop Society Lines: 9 Message-ID: <2arn4k$h9b@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <1993Oct28.221443.1@acad2.alaska.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu In article <1993Oct28.221443.1@acad2.alaska.edu> asjes@acad2.alaska.edu writes: > Is the "E" in E-mail supposed to be the "E" from "E=mc^2?" > As opposed to snail mail? E-mail is short for Electronic Mail, as opposed to paper (snail) mail. There was once some attempt to call it Elmay back in the early to mid 80s, but Email won the battle of the jargons. Dave Van Domelen, finally managed to get his Suicide Squid t-shirt to stop smelling so much like burning rubber...the trick is don't put it in the dryer. Article 45353 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail From: R.J.Johnston@newcastle.ac.uk ("R.J.JOHNSTON" ) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Scott and ShadowHawk- An Image inspired IDEA! Date: 2 Nov 1993 11:33:57 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 49 Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu THE RACM GROUP: Individuals are more powerful as groups. This is why I am proposing a RACM group for sending letters to comic companies. Actually its more a Legends inspired idea really. Every letter sent to a comic book will be preceded by "This article has been posted on the Usenet rec.arts.comics.misc network" Perhaps we could have a racm logo. I'd be happy to design one. In each letter we ask that the letter by acknowledged with the RACM line. Then we see how many get published. Suddenly, all different comics get RACM letters. We begin to get acknowledged. And so the RACM movement starts. At conventions we become "members of RACM" all wearing our Suicide Squid t-shirts and gaining possible respect from people who might not just dismiss us as slobbering fanboys. In time we could even set up our own comics imprint. Anyone out there got a family printers? I think we should definitely become a dictatorship. I'm down as a member of the RACM elite. Who'll join me? I'll give it two weeks then the doors are closed. RACM unite! Becoming nepostic is a good idea. Anyone who makes it into the comics industry gives each other a leg up. The masons will have nothing on us (No not you, Jeff)! If I start getting supportive email, I'll start sending letters this week. I'll post a standard letter-starter and finisher that we can all use. Lets take the comics industry by storm and let them acknowledge our existence! I reckon we hit Image first then start to spread. Aarvark-Vanaheim prints stacks of letters, so lets get one or two every Cerebus. Then we take down Marvel and DC and then move onto Kitchen Sink, Fantagraphics, Valiant, Ultraverse and beyond.... Lets breed a usenet team of letterhacks. In your letters remember to use RACM jargon... lets get retcon and ploybag known to everyone.... Today, Poland, tomorrow the World! This is not a hoax. This is a serious idea. Bring on the melons, Alice. Time for that Saw doctors sig... .................................. RICH JOHNSTON- Creator of "Dirtbag" "I wrote her name and address on the back of a cigarette pack, Didn't know then that I'd never be going back..." -Saw Doctors. Article 45780 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!decwrl!ames!pacbell.com!amdahl!netcomsv!netcom.com!tyg From: tyg@netcom.com (Tom Galloway) Subject: Re: MAKE.MONEY.FAST Message-ID: Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <93307.211527AUDSM@ASUACAD.BITNET> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 03:28:37 GMT Lines: 13 As September officially stretches into November... [this exact post has floated around the net for literally years. It's a chain letter, illegal under U.S. postal laws, and will not make anyone responding money.] [on the other hand, I do have openings for Squidway distributorships...:-)] "We are simple people, sahib. We sing. We dance. We shoot on sight." "There it is: a summary of r.a.c.m. in thirteen words." --Andrew Farrell and Ted Faber tyg tyg@hq.ileaf.com Article 46398 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!koriel!cs.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!news.sei.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!postman+ From: Abhijit_Khale@transarc.com Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: sAndmAn#56 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 18:34:37 -0500 Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 14 Message-ID: <0grhSBf0BwwMR3z=N7@transarc.com> References: <1993Nov4.063416.1950@leland.Stanford.EDU> <2bl33j$4ug@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu In-Reply-To: <2bl33j$4ug@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> Excerpts from netnews.rec.arts.comics.misc: 8-Nov-93 Re: sAndmAn#56 The Dark Mage@acf4.nyu.e (3797) > >angel? (btw, what is that green thing over fiddler's green's >head? the > black thing over bast is matthew.) > Dunno, still trying to figure out the green thing... Its someone Dream has met in the flesh before. Jonn J'onzz. [ Remember, he's a shapeshifter]. Did anyone catch Suicide Squid in the funeral procession ? Article 46454 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!nigel.msen.com!yale.edu!news.yale.edu!stiles-42-kstar-node.net.yale.edu!user From: sirowe@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Si Rowe) Subject: Re: Dead Revealed (was Re: Marvel to kill..... Message-ID: Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc Sender: news@news.yale.edu (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: stiles-42-kstar-node.net.yale.edu Organization: North Pole Expotition References: <1993Nov4.090412.4148@anasazi.com> <2blm0u$24k@nuscc.nus.sg> <1993Nov8.113715.1@sask.usask.ca> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1993 00:19:04 -0500 Lines: 32 In article <1993Nov8.113715.1@sask.usask.ca> travis@sask.usask.ca writes: >In article <2blm0u$24k@nuscc.nus.sg>, >med33428@leonis.nus.sg (Chang Yoong Ming Paul) writes: > >> One of the comic store owners I know actually told me today that *Captain >> America* is going to be killed off! Again, a comic book with low sales, >> little fan interest etc.... Anybody know anything about this possibility? >> >> So now, the possibilities, in summary: >> >> Iron Man >> Wonder Man >> Thor >> Captain America >> >> Paul >> >> >Personally, I would have to bet on this 'Paul' character being the one killed >off. I don't know of a single person who reads this title anymore, and Marvel >wouldn't lose much in the way of sales by dropping it completely. Whatever happened to the Paul/Suicide Squid crossover we were promised last year? Yours, Si Rowe --------------------------------------------\ sirowe@minerva.cis.yale.edu "Wooly thinking, Doctor!" \--------\ "Yes, but very comforting when worn close to the skin."| Si Rowe: not just -- the Master and the Doctor, _Logopolis_ | a couple of Greek **November 23, 1993: 30th anniversary of _Doctor Who_**| letters! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article 46503 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!pipex!uknet!festival!prob From: prob@festival.ed.ac.uk (Paul O'Brien) Subject: Re: Dead Revealed (was Re: Marvel to kill..... References: <1993Nov4.090412.4148@anasazi.com> <2blm0u$24k@nuscc.nus.sg> <1993Nov8.113715.1@sask.usask.ca> Message-ID: Organization: Edinburgh University Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1993 13:22:40 GMT Lines: 21 sirowe@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Si Rowe) writes: >>Personally, I would have to bet on this 'Paul' character being the one killed >>off. I don't know of a single person who reads this title anymore, and Marvel >>wouldn't lose much in the way of sales by dropping it completely. >Whatever happened to the Paul/Suicide Squid crossover we were promised last >year? You mean you missed it? Gee, you oughta go out and get that back issue this minute. Rob Liefeld's watercolours were terrific, and Tom de Falco's dialogue was incredibly naturalistic. You almost felt like the Mauve Penguin was in the room with you. And check out the Infinity Crusade crossover in Paul #286, where he exchanges trading cards with Dr Strange for fourteen pages as they await the Coming Of The Imagery. A classic of Mighty Marvel character development! MMM! Paul O'Brien Article 46773 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!paladin.american.edu!gatech!udel!st-csia-dyn-45.baylor.edu!rwa From: The Mystic Mongoose Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: Dead Revealed (was Re: Marvel to kill..... Date: 11 Nov 1993 03:07:51 GMT Organization: Baylor University Lines: 37 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2bsaa7$iv0@louie.udel.edu> References: <1993Nov9.052132.9615@midway.uchicago.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: st-csia-dyn-45.baylor.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d24 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Wed, 10 Nov 93 03:15:25 GMT In article Paul O'Brien, prob@festival.ed.ac.uk writes: >sirowe@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Si Rowe) writes: > >>>Personally, I would have to bet on this 'Paul' character being the one killed >>>off. I don't know of a single person who reads this title anymore, and Marvel >>>wouldn't lose much in the way of sales by dropping it completely. > >>Whatever happened to the Paul/Suicide Squid crossover we were promised last >>year? > >You mean you missed it? Gee, you oughta go out and get that back issue >this minute. Rob Liefeld's watercolours were terrific, and Tom de >Falco's dialogue was incredibly naturalistic. You almost felt like the >Mauve Penguin was in the room with you. I think the TPB ought to be coming out soon... It includes a special Paul/Suicide Squid Pin-up by Jae Lee. I've never seen Paul look that dark before, ever... >And check out the Infinity Crusade crossover in Paul #286, where he >exchanges trading cards with Dr Strange for fourteen pages as they await >the Coming Of The Imagery. A classic of Mighty Marvel character development! You mean, of course, Paul #186. Only Adventures_of_Paul is up anywhere over 200 (well, The_Holy_Apostles is too). Too bad the adjectiveless Paul is cancelled (OK, 'on hiatus'). The Mystic Mongoose | ____________ |Contemplation is the rwa@gandalf.baylor.edu| / _______ |fornication of the mind. Robert W. Armstrong | | ______ | -Gary Benson P.O. Box 83641 | | _____ |And half of the 'net Waco, TX 76798-3641 | \__ _____ |is impotent. Article 46820 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!festival!prob From: prob@festival.ed.ac.uk (Paul O'Brien) Subject: Re: Dead Revealed (was Re: Marvel to kill..... References: <1993Nov9.052132.9615@midway.uchicago.edu> <2bsaa7$iv0@louie.udel.edu> Message-ID: Organization: Edinburgh University Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 10:42:40 GMT Lines: 24 The Mystic Mongoose writes: >I think the TPB ought to be coming out soon... It includes a special >Paul/Suicide Squid Pin-up by Jae Lee. I've never seen Paul look that dark >before, ever... Yeah, it's a wonderful pin-up. The shading on Suicide Squid is just amazing. At least, I assume it's the Squid, it's kinda hard to tell under all that shading... >>And check out the Infinity Crusade crossover in Paul #286, where he >>exchanges trading cards with Dr Strange for fourteen pages as they await >>the Coming Of The Imagery. A classic of Mighty Marvel character >development! >You mean, of course, Paul #186. Only Adventures_of_Paul is up anywhere over >200 (well, The_Holy_Apostles is too). Too bad the adjectiveless Paul is >cancelled (OK, 'on hiatus'). I beg to differ! Gnostic Boy is coming up for its 250th issue in a few months. The issue will feature the conclusion of "The Loaves And The Fishes" and a special hologram cover featuring the Archbishop. Paul O'Brien Article 46860 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!nigel.msen.com!yale.edu!news.yale.edu!stiles-42-kstar-node.net.yale.edu!user From: sirowe@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Si Rowe) Subject: Re: Paul: The Movie ***SPOILERS*** Message-ID: Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc Sender: news@news.yale.edu (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: stiles-42-kstar-node.net.yale.edu Organization: North Pole Expotition References: <1993Nov11.162438.8563@oracle.us.oracle.com> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 12:28:50 -0500 Lines: 21 In article <1993Nov11.162438.8563@oracle.us.oracle.com>, wkaufman@us.oracle.com (William Kaufman) wrote: > Paul _who_? At first I thought you were talking about the Samurai, > but he isn't big on crosses/crucifixes; we know who his creator is; and > he's not Marvel property. > > Do you mean Pope Paul the Nth? (After the John Paul and Mother > Theresa comics, I figure all Popes are probably Marvel property,...) Bill, take a look at the threads going on about "Marvel to kill..." and "EXCLUSIVE- MARVEL DEATH". We are witness to a .net birth to rival that of Suicide Squid. Or, in this case, re-birth... Yours, Si Rowe --------------------------------------------\ sirowe@minerva.cis.yale.edu "Wooly thinking, Doctor!" \--------\ "Yes, but very comforting when worn close to the skin."| Si Rowe: not just -- the Master and the Doctor, _Logopolis_ | a couple of Greek **November 23, 1993: 30th anniversary of _Doctor Who_**| letters! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article 129 of alt.fan.suicide-squid: Newsgroups: alt.fan.suicide-squid Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!nda!hub.terc.edu!noc.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!glasgow!unix.brighton.ac.uk!vaxi.bton.ac.uk!ACW From: acw@vaxi.bton.ac.uk Subject: Enquiry Message-ID: <1993Nov10.130237.2563@unix.brighton.ac.uk> Sender: news@unix.brighton.ac.uk Reply-To: acw@vaxi.bton.ac.uk Organization: University of Brighton, Brighton, England Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 13:02:37 GMT Lines: 1 This is the suicide squid from an episode of Red Dwarf I take it? Article 131 of alt.fan.suicide-squid: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!nda!hub.terc.edu!noc.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!jebg9667 From: jebg9667@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Johann E. Beda) Newsgroups: alt.fan.suicide-squid Subject: Re: Enquiry Date: 12 Nov 1993 21:22:42 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 10 Message-ID: <2c0ur2$knf@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1993Nov10.130237.2563@unix.brighton.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.cso.uiuc.edu In article <1993Nov10.130237.2563@unix.brighton.ac.uk> acw@vaxi.bton.ac.uk writes: >This is the suicide squid from an episode of Red Dwarf I take it? No, but I beleive that Red Dwarf was infleuenced by the Suicide Squid comic book character we're all fans of. Didn't SS's creator's kid brother (cousin?) write that RD eppisode? johann j-beda@uiuc.edu Article 47157 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!nstn.ns.ca!dragon.acadiau.ca!003695s From: 003695s@dragon.acadiau.ca (Stephane Savoie) Subject: Re: Paul TPB's ? Message-ID: <1993Nov13.062808.23014@dragon.acadiau.ca> Organization: Acadia University References: <2c0d1r$jae@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1993 06:28:08 GMT Lines: 19 I for one am outaged that the priceguides _still_ refuse to list the Giant DC Special featuring Paul, Suicide Squid, and Sider Man 2099. I mean, sure, it was the last DC Giant-sized issue, and it had horrendous sales (a low point in Paul sales), but still! Alan Moore! Jack Kirby! What more could you ask for?! "Contervertial Subject Matter" my butt! --kid anarky --- kid / * Steph Savoie Acadia U, Nova Scotia, Canada ____/_| * a.k.a. KID ANARKY <<003695s@dragon.acadiau.ca>> / / | \ * of the Net.Patrol, part of the Legion of Net.Heroes!! ___|_/_____|__|___ * ------------------------------------------------------- / | | * 101 Uses for a Dead Computer -- (part1: Monitors) / \______|_/ * #19: Fill a monitor with radioactive sludge and put / |NARKY * it in your bedroom. That soft glow coming from it * makes a great nitelite! --- Article 47175 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!hal.com!decwrl!doc.ic.ac.uk!uknet!festival!prob From: prob@festival.ed.ac.uk (Paul O'Brien) Subject: Re: Paul v. Suicide Squid References: <1993Nov11.181818.13547@Princeton.EDU> Message-ID: Organization: Edinburgh University Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1993 15:20:36 GMT Lines: 20 aboer@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Andrew Pillion Boer) writes: >Now THAT would be a book worth buying. I think it would be worth >bringing back both Aquarium AND the original Paul, just to see him >battle the Squid. As I mentioned when this thread started off, the Paul v Suicide Squid Prestige Format miniseries has in fact appeared, featuring painted art by Rob Liefeld (read someone he met on the street who knew how to hold a biro). A true classic, with incredible characterisation of the Squid. >Course there would be continuity problems.... There were indeed. Suicide Squid fans should check out the issue for what I'm told is a retcon on his origin. Paul O'Brien Article 47181 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!charnel!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!sdd.hp.com!nigel.msen.com!yale.edu!news.yale.edu!stiles-42-kstar-node.net.yale.edu!user From: sirowe@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Si Rowe) Subject: Re: Paul v. Suicide Squid Message-ID: Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc Sender: news@news.yale.edu (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: stiles-42-kstar-node.net.yale.edu Organization: North Pole Expotition References: <1993Nov11.181818.13547@Princeton.EDU> <2c35f6$c76@news.bu.edu> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1993 12:39:19 -0500 Lines: 17 In article <2c35f6$c76@news.bu.edu>, chou@acs3.bu.edu (Andrew Chou) wrote: > Excuse me for being ignorant...but just who is this PAUL? > I'm afraid the only Paul I've heard of is Paul the Samurai. > > Andrew Chou Well, the fact that he had a major crossover with Suicide Squid should give you a push in the right direction... Yours, Si Rowe --------------------------------------------\ sirowe@minerva.cis.yale.edu "Wooly thinking, Doctor!" \--------\ "Yes, but very comforting when worn close to the skin."| Si Rowe: not just -- the Master and the Doctor, _Logopolis_ | a couple of Greek **November 23, 1993: 30th anniversary of _Doctor Who_**| letters! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article 47236 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!nevada.edu!ziegler From: ziegler@nevada.edu (DAVID ZIEGLER) Subject: Re: Dead Revealed (was Re: Marvel to kill..... Message-ID: <1993Nov14.030119.25468@nevada.edu> Sender: ziegler@redrock.nevada.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: redrock.nevada.edu Organization: University of Nevada System Computing Services References: <2bmsga$sub@controversy.math.lsa.umich.edu> <2bqrrk$l9m@illuminati.io.com> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1993 03:01:19 GMT Lines: 24 In article <2bqrrk$l9m@illuminati.io.com> price@illuminati.io.com (Daniel Price ) writes: > >Who would you cast as Paul? And would you prefer to see the pre-SW II >Paul or the grittier one? > >-- >- Price > "And what exactly does Paul have to do with Zero Hour? OW!" Well, for my money, you won't find a better Paul than Larry Storch (Agarn on the old F Troop series), but I also think that Jon Frakes (Riker from ST:TNG) could do a pretty good job. That, of course, is assuming that you're going for the pre-SWII Paul. If you're going for Gritty, Post-SW II Paul, then I think that Clint Eastwood is the man you want. I found his portrayal of Inky in the Suicide Squid Movie to be pure perfection! Although on still the other hand, if you're going for the "Mature Paul" from _Crisis of Infinite PaulsPatrick Stewart is the only one I can see in the role. That's just the way I see it. Has anyone else heard the rumor that Paul Levitz is going to write the screenplaybring back the Legion of Super-Apostles? Ziegler, (ziegler@redrock.nevada.edu) who can't wait for Paul: The Animated Series! Article 47237 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!rutgers!cmcl2!acf4!silbrmnd From: silbrmnd@acf4.nyu.edu (The Dark Mage) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: Paul v. Suicide Squid Message-ID: <2c485n$plh@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> Date: 14 Nov 93 03:20:23 GMT References: <1993Nov11.181818.13547@Princeton.EDU> Organization: Where??? Lines: 56 NNTP-Posting-Host: acf4.nyu.edu >>Now THAT would be a book worth buying. I think it would be worth >>bringing back both Aquarium AND the original Paul, just to see him >>battle the Squid. >As I mentioned when this thread started off, the Paul v Suicide >Squid Prestige Format miniseries has in fact appeared, featuring >painted art by Rob Liefeld (read someone he met on the street who >knew how to hold a biro). A true classic, with incredible >characterisation of the Squid. IMHO, the art on this one sucked donkeys... But Dave McKean's covers were, as usual, awesome! Any news about the rumour that he and Neil Gaiman will be doing an 8-ish Suicide Squid story after this arc ends? >>Course there would be continuity problems.... >There were indeed. Suicide Squid fans should check out the issue >for what I'm told is a retcon on his origin. Warning: Here there be SPOILERS... This has got to be one of the worst ret-cons of the century... In the first Squiddie annual, we're told of how, as a young squid, our hero dies before his time in an unfortunate accident involving a gun, a particle accelerator, an argon laser, and some Hydrox cookies. The Rulers of the Underworld sent him back, to Eradicate Evil Everywhere; Death cannot take him, no matter how hard he tries. In _this_ story, however, Squiddie never _actually_ died: the lab techie'd won fifteen bucks playing poker the night before, and decided to buy the "real thing"... The Oreos did the trick, and Squiddie achieved immortality. Thereby totally changing squiddie's (after) life, and negating one of the most powerful stories ever told. Now, the big question is this: if Squiddie _didn't_ die, then who's in the coffin??? -DarkMage ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "But it's DEFINITE summat to tell yer GRANDCHILDREN,//Darkmage, BotL eh, Master Redlaw? "Coincidentally, the werry same//silbrmnd@acf4.nyu.edu day I was popped into a cookpot, I discovered //Darkrose of the n.t.b. Empusa's Inifinitely Extensible Chain, on a owl."-Master Levert, BoM#3 --------------------------------------------------------------------- -----(@ DarkRose of the net.trenchcoat.brigade @)--'--,--'--- Article 47359 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!crosfield.co.uk!ajh From: ajh@crosfield.co.uk (Adam Huby) Subject: Squiddy and the Coffin Message-ID: <1993Nov15.124812.3175@crosfield.co.uk> Organization: Crosfield, Hemel Hempstead, UK References: <1993Nov11.181818.13547@Princeton.EDU> <2c485n$plh@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 12:48:12 GMT Lines: 48 In article <2c485n$plh@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> silbrmnd@acf4.nyu.edu (The Dark Mage) writes: >IMHO, the art on this one sucked donkeys... But Dave McKean's covers >were, as usual, awesome! Any news about the rumour that he and Neil >Gaiman will be doing an 8-ish Suicide Squid story after this arc ends? > Golly! I hope so. Is this going to be a Sandman tie-in, or standalone ? >Warning: Here there be SPOILERS... > > >This has got to be one of the worst ret-cons of the century... In the >first Squiddie annual, we're told of how, as a young squid, our hero >dies before his time in an unfortunate accident involving a gun, a >particle accelerator, an argon laser, and some Hydrox cookies. The Rulers >of the Underworld sent him back, to Eradicate Evil Everywhere; Death >cannot take him, no matter how hard he tries. >In _this_ story, however, Squiddie never _actually_ died: the lab >techie'd won fifteen bucks playing poker the night before, and decided >to buy the "real thing"... The Oreos did the trick, and Squiddie >achieved immortality. Thereby totally changing squiddie's (after) life, >and negating one of the most powerful stories ever told. > >Now, the big question is this: if Squiddie _didn't_ die, then who's in >the coffin??? Aaargh! Due to my inability to go anywhere near a Liefield book without a 10 foot pole to avoid touching it with, I'd missed this truly appalling update on Squiddy's origins. However, knowing Neil's affectionate regard for so many Golden Age stories and his distaste for those who mangle them so crudely, I think you've just revealed the answer to the cryptic coffin question... it's Rob Liefield (well, I can hope, can't I ?) Adam --------------------------------------------------------------------------- One day, my son, these views will be Crosfield's (but for the moment they're mine, all mine). -- Adam Huby Crosfield Electronics Ltd Hemel Hempstead HP2 7RH U.K. uucp: ajh@crosfield.co.uk phone: +44 442 230000 ext 3429 fax: +44 442 232301 telex: 827530 CROSEL G Article 47480 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!charnel!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!udel!st-csia-dyn-50.baylor.edu!rwa From: The Mystic Mongoose Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: Split -- mature Date: 16 Nov 1993 05:12:03 GMT Organization: Baylor University Lines: 30 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2c9nf3$r8q@louie.udel.edu> References: <2c8gdu$abu@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: st-csia-dyn-50.baylor.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d24 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Mon, 15 Nov 93 05:19:53 GMT In article <123676@hydra.gatech.EDU> Patman, gt5400d@prism.gatech.EDU writes: >In article <2c8gdu$abu@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> >awescoat@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Alan J Wescoat) writes: > > >Actually, we don't need a mature newsgroup. What we really need is a Sandman > >group and a Watchmen group. > >And don't forget the PAUL group! Heehehee... How about rac.in-joke for Paul, Suicide Squid, Amazing Sider Man, etc... Actually I am of the opinion that a rac.black-and-white, or .b&w, should be broken off. 1. It will give Cerebus fans a group with somewhat a tighter focus. 2. Ditto for Bone fans. 3. It is a simple, easy to understand, and logical division, that will 4. surely get enough traffic to justify it's existance. 5. There would be no real need to change rac.misc, either. Since I haven't seen this suggested yet, I'm very interested in the idea. Opinions, anyone? The Mystic Mongoose | ____________ |Contemplation is the rwa@gandalf.baylor.edu| / _______ |fornication of the mind. Robert W. Armstrong | | ______ | -Gary Benson P.O. Box 83641 | | _____ |And half of the 'net Waco, TX 76798-3641 | \__ _____ |is impotent. Article 132 of alt.fan.suicide-squid: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!mozz.unh.edu!christa.unh.edu!mre From: mre@christa.unh.edu (Mike Unlimited) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.fan.suicide-squid Subject: Re: Splitt Date: 17 Nov 1993 20:18:15 GMT Organization: University of New Hampshire - Durham, NH Lines: 21 Message-ID: <2ce0u7$hmr@mozz.unh.edu> References: <2cbfgo$4el@male.ebay.sun.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: christa.unh.edu Xref: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu rec.arts.comics.misc:47716 alt.fan.suicide-squid:132 In article <2cc56k$441@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dvandom@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dave Van Domelen) writes: > Dave Van Domelen, wonders if there's gonna be a Paul/Suicide Squid/Splitt >threeway crossover.... Yup, and it will also guest-star Sighblade of Sighberforce (with her psionic blades of infatuation), have a multi-foil prysmatic embossed four-hologram (one for each corner of the cover), carry a cover price that will make you have to reconsider doing your food shopping, *and* be available in a special ashcan edition printed on ceramic tiling. And seeing as how the holiday season is coming up, you can get it gift-wrapped (for an extra $2.50 per comic) just in time for giving it to that special someone at Christmas--the wrapping paper is recycled from unsold Image comics. --Mike...crossposting to alt.fan.suicide-squid cause there's no articles there. }-) -- Mike Escutia -- Pliable Lad of the LNH -- mre@christa.unh.edu or mike@unh.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Well, well, well! If it isn't the five good-looking rainbowheads from all walks of life!" --Nigel Cochrane, _Dynaman_. Article 48344 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!decwrl!decwrl!uunet!leafusa!tyg From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) Subject: Re: Some Newbie Questions Message-ID: Keywords: Stupid questions Sender: usenet@HQ.Ileaf.COM Nntp-Posting-Host: valhalla Reply-To: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) Organization: Interleaf, Inc. References: <124871@hydra.gatech.EDU> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 19:59:21 GMT Lines: 30 In article <124871@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt5836b@prism.gatech.EDU (The Hongboy) writes: > direct me to the FAQ, I'd greatly appreciate it... Well, these actually aren't in the FAQ, although #2 will be in the next revision. > 1. What did happen between the McFarlane/David debate? I never heard of it > until I started reading this group. A transcript was published in a recent CBG (apparently the only place all three major copyright holders have granted permission for such to do so). Essentially, in pretty much everyone's judgement except possibly the Hero magazine rep but including McFarlane, Peter wiped the floor with Todd. Not a surprise; Peter's preparation including reading up on debate, going over Todd's interviews, practicing, and getting ammo from Harlan Ellison. Todd's preparation included wearing boxing trunks and a towel and not anything else, having a non-functioning boom box, and bringing in pro football cheerleaders. Oh, and getting his questions to the moderator late. > 2. Who/What/When/Whazoo is Paul? Is it like the Suicide Squid? Yes. "'They took out the SQUID?' I said. 'The squid is GONE?' It turned out that everybody else knew this, including probably the Live Studio Audience. So we had to do that part again, with my brain feverishly repeating 'No squid! Smaller yuppies!' (This would be a good slogan for a restaurant.)" --Dave Barry tyg tyg@hq.ileaf.com Article 50140 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!naughty-peahen From: Jym Dyer Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: BONGO: _Simpsons_Comics_ #1 Date: 5 Dec 1993 21:24:53 GMT Organization: The Naughty Peahen Party Line Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: remarque.berkeley.edu =o= By the way, the EC parody shows Homer reading a comic entitled _Captain_Squid_. The Cap'n has a sidekick named "Li'l Squiddie." Draw your own conclusions. :-) <_Jym_> :::.-----.:: Jym Dyer ::: jym@remarque.berkeley.edu ::.-----.::: ::/ o o \::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::/ | \:: ::\ \___/ /:: Disclaimer: "I'm sorry . . . that's ::\ /|\ /:: :::`-----'::::::::::::::: Mr. Caffeine speaking!" :::`-----'::: Article 50560 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail From: johanna@hydra.unm.edu (Lady Johanna Constantine) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Help! (with Paul that is) Date: 7 Dec 1993 23:23:44 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 31 Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9312080523.AA04456@hydra.unm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu My site doesn't carry alt.comics.paul so could some kind soul cross-post this for me? ANyway, all thsi talk has gotten me curious. Since I have so far prided myself on never having bought a Marvel book, this is rather embarassing, but here goes.... I grabbed a few back issues, 647-652 (apparently the store near me ordered way too many copies, thinking that it would be a hot title, not knowing that they were a few months too early, obviously...) and I need some help. Is there an FAQ? Can someone fill me in on the supporting characters? Is Donna his cousin, or his high school girlfriend? You know I can't keep those Marvel redheads straight, they all look alike. Mind you, if that is her in the flashbacks, I think she looked better before they gave her big hair. Now she just seems like another Mary Jane clone. I heard a rumour on IRC about a Suicide Squid/Paul crossover, but I thought DC and Marvel didn't do those any more. Is this a future project, or something I've missed? I hate missing Squid books, so I can't believe I would have overlooked it, but I was out of the country in 1991... LJC -- johanna@hydra.unm.edu * We've filled in all the empty places on the maps or just plain Tara * and so now look to the stars and say "Here there I live on mailing lists * be dragons..." -- Me Disclaimer: I dare someone at unm to read what I've written. I dare em :P Article 50562 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.intercon.com!udel!st-csia-dyn-09.baylor.edu!rwa From: The Mystic Mongoose Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: Help! (with Paul that is) Date: 8 Dec 1993 05:57:32 GMT Organization: Baylor University Lines: 55 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2e3qcc$5uh@louie.udel.edu> References: <9312080523.AA04456@hydra.unm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: st-csia-dyn-09.baylor.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d24 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Wed, 8 Dec 93 06:06:28 GMT In article <9312080523.AA04456@hydra.unm.edu> Lady Johanna Constantine, johanna@hydra.unm.edu writes: >My site doesn't carry alt.comics.paul so could some kind soul >cross-post this for me? Errr... There is no alt.comics.paul. But we just grouped alt.comics.peterpaul&mary, for discussion of PAD, Paul, and Spidey's wife. >I grabbed a few back issues, 647-652 (apparently the store near me >ordered way too many copies, thinking that it would be a hot title, >not knowing that they were a few months too early, obviously...) >and I need some help. 647-652. Lessee, that would include the Power Pack crossover (647-648), Paul's resignation from the Apostles (650) and the Venom appearance (652). Not bad, but if you can find the current story, it's even better. >Is there an FAQ? As scary as the thought is, I may be creating one. > Can someone fill me in on the supporting characters? Well, most of The Apostles are good friends of Paul, as are the Apotles: East Mediteranean (soon to be _Disciple_Force_). Epistle Girl used to be Paul's fiancee, but they broke up as she dropped out of active coninuity... It will be interesting to see what repercussions her 4-ish limited series, _Epistle_Woman_, will have on Paul. You must also know about Dark Paul, aka John-Paul, who has currently taken over the title of Paul from the original holder, Saul. Saul's coming back in 700, though- at last! >Is Donna his cousin, or his high school girlfriend? You know I can't >keep those Marvel redheads straight, they all look alike. Mind you, >if that is her in the flashbacks, I think she looked better before >they gave her big hair. Now she just seems like another Mary Jane >clone. She's his step-cousin *and* high school girlfriend (no, you pervs, no blood relation), and yes, that is her in the flashbacks. She also fights crime as Paulette Girl of the Holy Apostles. >I heard a rumour on IRC about a Suicide Squid/Paul crossover, but I >thought DC and Marvel didn't do those any more. Is this a future project, >or something I've missed? I hate missing Squid books, so I can't believe >I would have overlooked it, but I was out of the country in 1991... You missed it. Great book, wonderful Jae Lee artwork, good story, shiny paper. Will probably be going up soon, due to the early appearance of the Heretic III. The Mystic Mongoose | ____________ |Contemplation is the rwa@gandalf.baylor.edu| / _______ |fornication of the mind. Robert W. Armstrong | | ______ | -Gary Benson P.O. Box 83641 | | _____ |And half of the 'net Waco, TX 76798-3641 | \__ _____ |is impotent. Article 50609 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!swrinde!gatech!udel!st-csia-dyn-09.baylor.edu!rwa From: The Mystic Mongoose Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: WHO THE HELL IS PAUL?!?!??! Date: 8 Dec 1993 15:30:00 GMT Organization: Baylor University Lines: 39 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2e4rto$emv@louie.udel.edu> References: <2e440j$63q@larch.cc.swarthmore.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: st-csia-dyn-09.baylor.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d24 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Wed, 8 Dec 93 15:38:56 GMT In article <1993Dec8.140909.19733@cs.nott.ac.uk> Drew Curtis, afc@cs.nott.ac.uk writes: >In article <2e440j$63q@larch.cc.swarthmore.edu> >peter@raptor.sccs.swarthmore.edu (Peter Wong) writes: >> >>He's not Paul the Samurai, right? >>What I've been able to figure out so far is that this not a real comic. > >Pual is a real comic, published by the same group that does The Tick, >New England Comics. Urrrrrkkkkkk!!!!! Paul is even in the FAQ now, guys... Two words: Suicide Squid. Paul is sort of a similar thing, created when someone typed up a list of possible dead Marvel superheroes, and signed their name (paul, DUH) at the bottom. Lessee, something like this (something like...this is from memory): >The prospective dead Marvel superheoes are: > >Capatin America >Punisher >Ghost Rider >Wonder Man > >Paul We naturally picked up on this... And now Paul has a history, at least 15 different noted titles, crossovers galore. The current Flagship titles are Adventures_Of_Paul and The_Holy_Apostles, and there are others. (I can't believe I'm trying to actually explain this...) The Mystic Mongoose | ____________ |Contemplation is the rwa@gandalf.baylor.edu| / _______ |fornication of the mind. Robert W. Armstrong | | ______ | -Gary Benson P.O. Box 83641 | | _____ |And half of the 'net Waco, TX 76798-3641 | \__ _____ |is impotent. Article 133 of alt.fan.suicide-squid: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!jebg9667 From: jebg9667@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Johann E. Beda) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.fan.suicide-squid Subject: Re: Paul and Suicide Squid. Date: 9 Dec 1993 01:54:50 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 17 Message-ID: <2e60ha$oth@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Xref: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu rec.arts.comics.misc:50733 alt.fan.suicide-squid:133 In article rouen@polaris.nova.edu (Rouen D.E. Robinson) writes: > Does anyone know if there will ever be a Paul and Suicide Squid >crossover? It could be just like the Batman and Spawn crossover. Maybe >even an animated series. The timelines and universes are endless. > It's already happened, back in 91 or so. I haven't actually read it but the reviews are mixed. There was suposedly some sort of problem with the Jewish Aniti-Defimation League over some artwork in the second issue (of 4). It's sort of hard to find becuase of that. I recently got 1,2 and 4, but have been holding off reading them until I can get my hands on #3. The covers are great though, with SS and Paul locked in combat, embracing in brotherhood, and sitting down to a country picnic. johann j-beda@uiuc.edu Article 50702 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!swrinde!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!usenet.ufl.edu!draco.nova.edu!polaris.nova.edu!rouen From: rouen@polaris.nova.edu (Rouen D.E. Robinson) Subject: Paul and Suicide Squid. Message-ID: Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc Sender: news@draco.nova.edu (Usenet Administrator) Organization: Nova University, FL Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 22:27:00 GMT Lines: 8 Does anyone know if there will ever be a Paul and Suicide Squid crossover? It could be just like the Batman and Spawn crossover. Maybe even an animated series. The timelines and universes are endless. "Cool enough neighbor!" - Back To The Future TAS Rouen Article 50716 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!swrinde!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!awescoat From: awescoat@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Alan J Wescoat) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: WHO THE HELL IS PAUL?!?!??! Date: 8 Dec 1993 23:55:49 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <2e5pi5$cd9@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> References: <2e440j$63q@larch.cc.swarthmore.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu >What I have been able to figure out so far is that this is not a real comic. Paul??! Not a REAL comic??!!! Sorry but I just can't stand to see a post like this. My golden age Paul Collection is incredibly precious to me. I can't believe that people have the nerve to deny that Paul exists (I suppose that you don't believe in Timothy and the Corinthians either). Yes, I know that Paul is a really obscure comic. Some of the more recent issue have had print runs of less than 4000 copies, but it's out there and it's really good. I know that you'll say that it's not listed in overstreet. That is true. Price listings for Paul can (to my knowledge) only be found in The Really Obscure Comic Book Price Guide. Suicide Squid is listed there also. I'm really glad that Paul was brought up on the net. It's nice to hear that people still read and enjoy this wonderful but obscure comic. Article 50730 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!swrinde!gatech!udel!st-csia-dyn-09.baylor.edu!rwa From: The Mystic Mongoose Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: Paul and Suicide Squid. Date: 9 Dec 1993 01:23:01 GMT Organization: Baylor University Lines: 15 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2e5ull$o1m@louie.udel.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: st-csia-dyn-09.baylor.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d24 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Wed, 8 Dec 93 01:32:00 GMT Rouen D.E. Robinson, rouen@polaris.nova.edu writes: > Does anyone know if there will ever be a Paul and Suicide Squid >crossover? It could be just like the Batman and Spawn crossover. Maybe >even an animated series. The timelines and universes are endless. Already occured, you yutz. Jae Lee artwork and a cool story. Ask your local shops if they have it. And P:TAS is a project for 1995... The Mystic Mongoose | ____________ |Contemplation is the rwa@gandalf.baylor.edu| / _______ |fornication of the mind. Robert W. Armstrong | | ______ | -Gary Benson P.O. Box 83641 | | _____ |And half of the 'net Waco, TX 76798-3641 | \__ _____ |is impotent. Article 50829 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msuinfo!johns224 From: johns224@cps.msu.edu (Ross J Johnson) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Bruce Timm to Leave BTAS for PTAS??? Date: 9 Dec 1993 17:56:53 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 10 Message-ID: <2e7ot5$16ip@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pacific.cps.msu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] I just picked up the most recent issue of Marvel Age, and in it they indicated that Bruce Timm, the main animator for Batman, the Animated Series, would leave work on the series (apparently satisfied with the success) and begin work on a similarly-animated Paul: The Animated Series show. He is allegedly already in preproduction, and has some killer sketches of Paul in action. Look for this one, Fall of 1994! Suicide Squid et al!!! Article 134 of alt.fan.suicide-squid: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!merle.acns.nwu.edu!sonof From: sonof@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Hector Lee) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.fan.suicide-squid Subject: Re: Paul and Suicide Squid. Date: 9 Dec 1993 21:22:10 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL Lines: 28 Message-ID: <2e84u2$p9b@news.acns.nwu.edu> References: <2e60ha$oth@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: unseen3.acns.nwu.edu Xref: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu rec.arts.comics.misc:50874 alt.fan.suicide-squid:134 In article <2e60ha$oth@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Johann E. Beda wrote: >In article rouen@polaris.nova.edu (Rouen D.E. Robinson) writes: >> Does anyone know if there will ever be a Paul and Suicide Squid >>crossover? It could be just like the Batman and Spawn crossover. Maybe >>even an animated series. The timelines and universes are endless. >> >It's already happened, back in 91 or so. I haven't actually read it but >the reviews are mixed. There was suposedly some sort of problem with the >Jewish Aniti-Defimation League over some artwork in the second issue (of 4). >It's sort of hard to find becuase of that. I recently got 1,2 and 4, but have >been holding off reading them until I can get my hands on #3. The covers >are great though, with SS and Paul locked in combat, embracing in brotherhood, >and sitting down to a country picnic. > >johann >j-beda@uiuc.edu > > issue three has a humorous cover. it is done in the "archie" style with squid with his eyes crossed being hit by paul with what could be a menora. paul's armor also has six-pointed stars on it. lots of little six pointed stars instead of the usual five pointed ones to signify pain, hence the JADL problem. this series, is indeed hard to find. won't be a TPB either, probably, unless they decide to rework some of the art, and that is unlikely. this book is for SS or Paul completists only, as the story and art are uneven Article 50933 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!yale.edu!cmcl2!acf4!silbrmnd From: silbrmnd@acf4.nyu.edu (The Dark Mage) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: WHO THE HELL IS PAUL?!?!??! Date: 10 Dec 1993 04:39:02 GMT Organization: The Net.Trenchcoat.Brigade Lines: 29 Message-ID: <2e8uh6$358@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> References: <00976B62.A4FAB824@pomona.claremont.edu> <1993Dec9.132437.12053@chemabs.uucp> NNTP-Posting-Host: acf4.nyu.edu >> >>Or at least that's my take on it. I hit "next" pretty fast when I spot a >> >>Paul post. There's too much volume to read as it is w/o finding time for >> >>those things. >> > Me, too. I *hate* entertaining, fun-to-read things. I would >> >MUCH rather read about whether the debate transcript can be posted on >> >the net. >> Oops, my mistake. I thought this was rec.arts.comics.misc, not >> rec.arts.entertaining.fun-to-read.things. No wonder I couldn't find any >> articles about (real) comics! :-) >If "comics.misc" doesn't include imaginary comics, what does? :) I wonder when we're gonna see the Paul and Suicide Squid collections in Lucien's library? ;) -DarkMage ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "But it's DEFINITE summat to tell yer GRANDCHILDREN,//Darkmage, BotL eh, Master Redlaw? "Coincidentally, the werry same//silbrmnd@acf4.nyu.edu day I was popped into a cookpot, I discovered //Darkrose of the n.t.b. Empusa's Inifinitely Extensible Chain, on a owl."-Master Levert, BoM#3 --------------------------------------------------------------------- -----(@ DarkRose of the net.trenchcoat.brigade @)--'--,--'--- Article 51043 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!eff!news.kei.com!ub!acsu.buffalo.edu!ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu!v124jw4y From: v124jw4y@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Benjamin R Pierce) Subject: Re: WHO THE HELL IS PAUL?!?!??! Message-ID: News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu Organization: University at Buffalo References: <2e440j$63q@larch.cc.swarthmore.edu> <1993Dec9.123206.1256@vaxa> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 20:27:00 GMT Lines: 31 In article <1993Dec9.123206.1256@vaxa>, jpascale1@vaxa.hofstra.edu (JAY PASCALE) writes... >In article <2e440j$63q@larch.cc.swarthmore.edu>, peter@raptor.sccs.swarthmore.edu (Peter Wong) writes: >> >> He's not Paul the Samurai, right? >> What I've been able to figure out so far is that this not a real comic. >> When did this running joke get started? What does it mean? Is he the second >> coming? Is he the first? >> >> -Peter *8p Semi-serious answer... As I remember, someone named Paul posted about the Marvel character likely to die soon...his list looked something like this: Captain America Daredevil The Punisher Paul Someone made a crack about how they thought it was more likely to be Paul than any of the others, and a new hero in the tradition of Suicide Squid and the Legion of Supper Heroes was born... --Ben Article 135 of alt.fan.suicide-squid: Newsgroups: alt.fan.suicide-squid Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!nda!hub.terc.edu!noc.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!ames!sgi!fido.asd.sgi.com!zuni.esd.sgi.com!cathay.esd.sgi.com!logos From: logos@cathay.esd.sgi.com (Jed Hartman) Subject: Squiddie crossovers? (was Re: Paul and Suicide Squid) Message-ID: Sender: news@zuni.esd.sgi.com (Net News) Organization: MicroSysTechInterObSoftCompuGenDyneCoTeleCorp, Inc. References: <2e60ha$oth@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <2e84u2$p9b@news.acns.nwu.edu> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 93 23:59:38 GMT Lines: 21 Speaking of crossovers, what ever happened to the planned SS/Fish Police/Dr. Octopus crossover popup graphic novel? Last thing I heard about it (a little over a year ago, I think) was that they had to pull the entire Aquaman subplot because DC got cold fins at the last minute. I saw some great sample art from it at last year's Comicon -- the guy behind the table (his nametag was unreadable) said they were going to do a die-cut waterproof hologram cover for the book. But then it vanished without a splash. Any- one heard anything about this? When's it coming out? --jed (The sample page I saw involved Squiddie trying to convince Gill over the telephone that Squid was his NAME, not his agency. There was a bad connection; Gill said something like "Give me five minutes, just five minutes, with the guy who invented underwater telephones," and the page ended with Doc Ock's shadow looming menacingly over the phone booth.) -- Jed Hartman | Ever wanted to serve the electronic masters of a logos@cathay.esd.sgi.com | totalitarian corporation-state? -------------------------+ YOU WILL. Article 51257 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!charnel!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!uts!diku!rockbear From: rockbear@diku.dk (Peter Juul) Subject: paul - the movie Message-ID: <1993Dec12.163806.22896@odin.diku.dk> Sender: rockbear@ask.diku.dk Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1993 16:38:06 GMT Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen Lines: 13 I just heard that Letter movies are going to do the movie version of Pauls famous meeting with Holey Moley the Hooded Evil-doer. I would like to hear suggestions for the casting of Paul, Holey Moley and Pauls new sidekick Gurli Mae. I suggest Danny Devito, Bill Clinton and Hillary (they say there should be a major fight between Gurli and Moley, and we couldn't let Moley win could we?) There are rumours that Disney will do guestshot animation of Suicide Squid. Article 51269 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!news.bu.edu!acs3.bu.edu!shmed From: shmed@acs3.bu.edu (Christopher Smith) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Suicide Squid FAQ? Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc Date: 12 Dec 1993 18:23:18 GMT Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2efnim$d8o@news.bu.edu> References: <2dui6sINNo75@cascade.cs.ubc.ca> <2e5mea$9qj@usenet.rpi.edu> Reply-To: shmed@acs3.bu.edu (Christopher Smith) NNTP-Posting-Host: acs3.bu.edu Well? -- History is... other people. I'll end up with my head in my hands; Nobody's hero... only a teacher. ..only a teacher. - Joe Frank Article 51337 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!charnel!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!st-csia-dyn-09.baylor.edu!rwa From: The Mystic Mongoose Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: paul - the movie Date: 13 Dec 1993 02:43:25 GMT Organization: Baylor University Lines: 30 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2egksd$2vk@louie.udel.edu> References: <1993Dec12.163806.22896@odin.diku.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: st-csia-dyn-09.baylor.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d24 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Sun, 12 Dec 93 02:52:26 GMT In article <1993Dec12.163806.22896@odin.diku.dk> Peter Juul, rockbear@diku.dk writes: >I just heard that Letter movies are going to do the movie version >of Pauls famous meeting with Holey Moley the Hooded Evil-doer. 1. That's *Un*holy Moley, Holy Moley's evil clone from another dimension. Didn't you read Paul-Force 11-17? 2. The Paul movie's chief villians will be the Heretic II and Aquarium. I heard John Malkovich has been signed as Heretic (yay!), and they're still trying for Robin Williams for Aquarium. >I would like to hear suggestions for the casting of Paul, Holey Moley >and Pauls new sidekick Gurli Mae. Gurli Mae? Oooh, you've been reading the mini-comics packaged with Kellogg breakfast cereal. Forget it, she doesn't even exist in regular Paul continuity. A cheap clone of Epistle Girl, with a much scantier costume. The real Paul would have a fit! >There are rumours that Disney will do guestshot animation of Suicide Squid. Uh-huh. Tell me another one. But SS may be appearing in an episode of P:TAS. We won;t know till next season, though... The Mystic Mongoose | ____________ |Contemplation is the rwa@gandalf.baylor.edu| / _______ |fornication of the mind. Robert W. Armstrong | | ______ | -Gary Benson P.O. Box 83641 | | _____ |And half of the 'net Waco, TX 76798-3641 | \__ _____ |is impotent. Article 51600 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!fnal.fnal.gov!bertram From: bertram@d0ru01.fnal.gov (Dr. A (Iain A. Bertram)) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: New keyword SIP: (End the Paul Postings) Date: 14 Dec 93 11:29:36 -0600 Organization: School of Physics, Rice University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <1993Dec14.112936.1@d0ru01.fnal.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: d0ru01.fnal.gov I have a propostion, introduce a new keyword for Paul postings and the like. SIP: For Self Indulgent Posting (or Prattle). Now way back when Suicide Squid started it was quite easy for you to cut the messages out using the kill file (I can't think of any comics with the title Suicide Squid). However this Paul stuff is almost impossible to kill without dumping a lot of signal. i.e. If you kill on Paul you end up killing any post with Paul in the title, for eaxmple Paul the Saumari. Hence this is a really irritating habit. The funny posts are great but after about ten posts they get really old fast. Don't get me wrong I think they have a place on the net but I would really like to be able to skip them without reading them. Iain -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - DR A. - In the Beginning there was nothing, - - - which exploded. - - (Iain A. Bertram) - -- (Terry Pratchett) - - BERTRAM@PHYSICS.RICE.EDU - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Article 51851 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!cmcl2!acf4!silbrmnd From: silbrmnd@acf4.nyu.edu (The Dark Mage) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: Paul and Suicide Squid. Message-ID: <2eocol$nqp@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> Date: 16 Dec 93 01:13:57 GMT References: Organization: The Net.Trenchcoat.Brigade Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: acf4.nyu.edu > Does anyone know if there will ever be a Paul and Suicide Squid >crossover? It could be just like the Batman and Spawn crossover. Maybe >even an animated series. The timelines and universes are endless. It was already. Last year. Where _were_ you, man? -DarkMage ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "But it's DEFINITE summat to tell yer GRANDCHILDREN,//Darkmage, BotL eh, Master Redlaw? "Coincidentally, the werry same//silbrmnd@acf4.nyu.edu day I was popped into a cookpot, I discovered //Darkrose of the n.t.b. Empusa's Inifinitely Extensible Chain, on a owl."-Master Levert, BoM#3 --------------------------------------------------------------------- -----(@ DarkRose of the net.trenchcoat.brigade @)--'--,--'--- Article 52947 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!walter!snowplow!brasen From: brasen@snowplow.uucp (Steve Brasen) Subject: Aquaman in SS Message-ID: Sender: news@walter.bellcore.com Nntp-Posting-Host: snowplow.bae.bellcore.com Organization: Bellcore, Piscataway NJ Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1993 18:56:59 GMT Lines: 17 Say, in the February issue of Suicide Squid (I think it was #256) on page 3, panel 2, is that supposed to be Aquaman hiding behind the rock? Is this a prelude to the upcomming "Deathbait" cross-over series? Also, I have to say I like the direction SS has been going in lately, but it's been a long time (something like 10 issues) since the last suicide attempt. I hope they're not changing the basic concept. Lord knows it doesn't need to be retconned again. :-) Steve Brasen ------------------------------------------------------------------ -- "Squiddy was one of the worst recruiters the Hari-Kari religious cult ever had. Sure, he could give out eight times as many pamphlets, but he kept soiling his toga with ink." Article 52950 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!jen From: jen@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jennifer Hawthorne) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: Soulsearchers and Co. Date: 27 Dec 1993 21:34:20 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 30 Message-ID: <2fnkcs$lkk@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> References: <04102@tbit.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: carbonara.mit.edu In article <04102@tbit.com> corwin@tbit.com writes: >I'm sure this has been beat into the ground already, but the promotion >for this book is pretty sad. I went into my store the other day to see >#4 in the quarter bins, and I didn't even know #3 was out. Grrrrrr. I >can't help but wonder how much better it would have done if the >retailers had bothered to push it. Second that. When #1 came out I told my retailer to put it on my subs list, and was surprised to walk into the store last week and discover it was up to #4 when I hadn't even seen #2 and #3. This is *not* usual behavior for my retailer, who is normally very dependable and courteous, and is also a Peter David fan besides. Very odd. This book has a visibility problem, it seems. I wound up spending most of a Sunday afternoon roaming the Boston area looking for the missing issues (which I found eventually, though it took some work.) I hope your use of the past tense there ("...how much better it *would have* done...") doesn't mean the book is cancelled. I've been enjoying it a great deal (and have been pushing it on my comic-reading friends). I just got back onto RACM after a longish absence, so if there was a cancellation notice posted I missed it -- can someone reassure me? (And does anyone have any idea when #5 is coming out, if it still is?) Jen H. -- ************************************************************************* Jennifer Hawthorne | "No squid! Smaller yuppies!" jen@athena.mit.edu | ************************************************************************* Article 53398 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!darwin.sura.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!uunet!leafusa!tyg From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) Subject: Re: CBG Fan Awards Message-ID: Sender: usenet@HQ.Ileaf.COM Nntp-Posting-Host: valhalla Reply-To: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) Organization: Interleaf, Inc. References: <7945KTXARIGWJLMPHG@castlebbs.com> <2gaf70$egu@balsam.unca.edu> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 02:27:05 GMT Lines: 11 In article <2gaf70$egu@balsam.unca.edu> mcmahan@canton.cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes: > If Marvel Age (the advertisement with a cover price) is eligible for > this, Internet review columns are. Vote for your favorite here! *Make* True enough, they are. And keep in mind that Suicide Squid is still eligible for the Favorite Character category. Year before last, Squiddie made the results list printed in CBG (note that Squiddy is only eligible due to the t-shirt, which has comics art on it. Other net.characters aren't). "The seaweed of crime bears bitter Fruit-of-the-Loom" --Eddie Maise tyg tyg@hq.ileaf.com Article 53404 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!darwin.sura.net!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!hecto!lsmith From: lsmith@hecto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) Subject: Re: Sandman details Message-ID: Sender: news@news.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: hecto.cs.umn.edu Organization: The Little Squids of the Poor References: <2gab9p$aea@amhux3.amherst.edu> Distribution: na Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 03:43:32 GMT Lines: 42 In article <2gab9p$aea@amhux3.amherst.edu> jwmanly@unix.amherst.edu (John W. Manly) writes: >Hi there. Can someone please provide some information on the issues that >have been released in the _Sandman_ series? > >I currently have the bound versions of six collections: Preludes, Doll's >House, Country, Season, Game, and Fables. My question is: what am I missing? Not much. >What are the story lines and numbers that have come out since 40? I take >it the current "arc" is "The Kindly Ones" -- what are the others and their >numbers? "Brief Lives" ran in Sandman #41-#49. It will probably be released in a hardcover collection sometime in the second quarter of 1994. A trade paperback will probably follow if DC stays true to form. "Worlds' End" was a series of short stories within a story that ran from Sandman #51-#56. I haven't heard what the plans are for collecting those issues. (Any announcements on GEnie?) "The Kindly Ones" started in Sandman #57. It is the last long story arc of the series and will run for a while. Probably through issue #63 or #64. There was a Sandman short story called "The Castle" that appeared in _Vertigo Jam_. It was essentially a tour of the Dreaming and an introduction to the characters who inhabit it. Some of it may tie in with the current story. Some people would say that _Books of Magic_ ties in with the series. It's written by Gaiman and there are appearances by some of the Sandman characters. It's available in a trade paperback. No idea if the rumored hardcover from Graphiti (with some additional Charles Vess artwork) will ever be released. That's about it. There was the appearance of Morpheus in the "A Dream of a Thousand Catfish" issue of Suicide Squid, but Gaiman vehemently claims that he never wrote this and will no longer discuss it in interviews. ============================== Lance "Cr2O3.2H2O" Smith | "After taking one last furtive look back at the (lsmith@cs.umn.edu) | house, Conradin quickly led Mr Peanut down to For walk where we will, | the shed to meet the hutch-god." we tread upon some story | _Sredni Plantar_ Article 53414 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.tamu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!noc.near.net!ileaf!leafusa!tyg From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) Subject: Re: Sandman details Message-ID: Sender: usenet@HQ.Ileaf.COM Nntp-Posting-Host: valhalla Reply-To: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) Organization: Interleaf, Inc. References: <2gab9p$aea@amhux3.amherst.edu> Distribution: na Date: Tue, 4 Jan 1994 04:35:29 GMT Lines: 12 In article lsmith@hecto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes: > That's about it. There was the appearance of Morpheus in the "A Dream of a > Thousand Catfish" issue of Suicide Squid, but Gaiman vehemently claims that > he never wrote this and will no longer discuss it in interviews. This could have to do with it being an out of court settlement relating to similarities between A Midsummer Night's Dream and the Alonzo Mori penned Suicide Squid story Amid Swimmers' Night Dreams. "Couple more years, couple more million, and I'll have his butt replaced by a robot." --Viper tyg tyg@hq.ileaf.com Article 53847 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!darwin.sura.net!howland.reston.ans.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!usenet.coe.montana.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!silbern From: silbern@u.washington.edu (Silberstein) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: Sandman details Date: 6 Jan 1994 21:30:08 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 20 Distribution: na Message-ID: <2ghvt0$bda@news.u.washington.edu> References: <2gab9p$aea@amhux3.amherst.edu> <1994Jan5.194622.20022@midway.uchicago.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Some Glenn Required) writes: >In article tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) writes: >>In article lsmith@hecto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) writes: >>> That's about it. There was the appearance of Morpheus in the "A Dream of a >>> Thousand Catfish" issue of Suicide Squid, but Gaiman vehemently claims that >>> he never wrote this and will no longer discuss it in interviews. >> >>This could have to do with it being an out of court settlement relating to >>similarities between A Midsummer Night's Dream and the Alonzo Mori penned >>Suicide Squid story Amid Swimmers' Night Dreams. >And well they might settle, considering the counter-suit relating to >the Sandbar at Worlds' Fin! Not to mention the Finless, themselves... > Wasn't there a counter-counter suit, revolving around the _The Sound of Her Ink-Jets_ issue? The phrase "Fat Guppies!" comes to mind. Although I think Marvel might have been involved in that one, since one of SS's sister's epithets was 'Kraken the Huntress'.... Article 53911 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!swrinde!gatech!usceast!usceast!not-for-mail From: cline@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu (Ernest Cline) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: Sandman details Date: 7 Jan 1994 02:12:56 -0500 Organization: University of South Carolina - Columbia - Computer Science Lines: 34 Distribution: na Message-ID: <2gj21o$b8o@apple.cs.scarolina.edu> References: <1994Jan5.194622.20022@midway.uchicago.edu> <2ghvt0$bda@news.u.washington.edu> Reply-To: cline@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: apple.cs.scarolina.edu lsmith@hecto.cs.umn.edu (Lance "Squiddie" Smith) wrote: > That's about it. There was the appearance of Morpheus in the "A Dream of a > Thousand Catfish" issue of Suicide Squid, but Gaiman vehemently claims that > he never wrote this and will no longer discuss it in interviews. tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Thomas Galloway) then added: > This could have to do with it being an out of court settlement relating to > similarities between A Midsummer Night's Dream and the Alonzo Mori penned > Suicide Squid story Amid Swimmers' Night Dreams. lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Some Glenn Required) added more prose: > And well they might settle, considering the counter-suit relating to > the Sandbar at Worlds' Fin! Not to mention the Finless, themselves... silbern@u.washington.edu (Silberstein) couldn't resist saying: > Wasn't there a counter-counter suit, revolving around the _The Sound of > Her Ink-Jets_ issue? The phrase "Fat Guppies!" comes to mind. Although > I think Marvel might have been involved in that one, since one of > SS's sister's epithets was 'Kraken the Huntress'.... then I had to add my (supposed) wit: It's a shame that people seem to have forgotten that excellent three issue prestige mini-series that was done four years ago, and should be out soon in trade paperback: _Sturgeon: The High Cost of Caviar_ which was where The Kippered Ones were introduced. (Although only Salmon Ella was named here. We wouldn't discover the names of the other two, Red Herring and Holly Mackerel until last year's crossover event, _The Fries' Fight_ . -- Ernest Cline cline@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu Frodo Lives! __________________________________ _____________________________________ Ash nazg durbatuluk \ / One token ring to rule them all, Ash nazg gimbatul || One grep to find them, Ash nazg thrakatuluk || One sendmail to bring them all, Arg burzum ischi krimpatul / \ And in C darkness ypbind them. Article 53945 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!uwvax!cs.wisc.edu!faber From: faber@parmesan.cs.wisc.edu (Ted) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: BUT I DIGRESS by Peter David in CBG#1052 Message-ID: Date: 7 Jan 94 16:29:20 GMT References: Sender: news@cs.wisc.edu (The News) Organization: GaTEA, Maniacal Barber Division Lines: 21 afsta024@IS.TWI.TUDelft.NL (Michel A. Saleh) writes: >R.J.JOHNSTON wrote: >>By the way tyg, the Squiddie Shirt came through the other day. It >>looks fine. Thanks. > >How can I get these again ?? By a successfully besting a Black Ink Irregular in the undersea challenge grotto. Remember: you've gotta be in it to win it! Void where prohibited, must be 18 or older to win. > >Michel. > "In accordance with our principles of free enterprise and healthy competition, I'm going to ask you two to fight to the death for it." -- Monty Python -- Ted Faber Figment at Large faber@cs.wisc.edu "The ability to quote is a serviceable substitute for wit." -- Maugham Article 53997 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!decwrl!decwrl!doc.ic.ac.uk!uknet!pipex!uunet!panix!not-for-mail From: carlf@panix.com (Carl Fink) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: But I _Disagree..._ Date: 7 Jan 1994 18:37:35 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Lines: 43 Message-ID: <2gkrnv$de@panix2.panix.com> References: <2gj2ep$m1q@home.interaccess.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com thanatos@interaccess.com writes in part: T>Okay, I'm going to take a very unpopular stand here, as many in this >group have pointed out in the past. I'm going to side against PAD. I'm going to kind of agree. Harlan has every right to say whatever he pleases, to anyone, as long as it isn't legally actionable. This right is in no way diminished by his fame, any more than mine is by my lack of notoriety. However, as an adult he must take the consequences of his behavior without complaint. He does have a bad habit of tearing the metaphorical throats of innocent bystanders. While obscenely ridiculing random fans in convention hallways might amuse him, he must recognize that many people will dislike him for it. And yes, he's done it to me. No, it didn't make me his enemy -- I was an adult with a thick skin when he called me names for the crime of eating a sandwich during one of his panels. I can, however, imagine how crushed a hero-worshipping adolescent might be to have this truly skilled and talented writer call him a "mindless jerk" for no good reason. The EOE are bigger jerks, of course. I still admire Ellison's writing, but I must admit I have no particular desire to ever talk to the man again. (I did ask him an annoying question and put him on the spot at the next panel -- an intellectual's revenge :-). > What do I want? A kinder forum, where a newbie can spell >Squad wrong, and get away without the longest (and quite perhaps >stoopidest) running joke in the history of RAC and RACM falling on >his head... Here I disagree. While not every Squid posting has been a gem, overall I think it's one of the funnier running jokes in net.land. -- Belief in the precognitive powers of an Asian pastry is really no wackier than belief in ESP, subluxation, or astrology, but you just don't hear anyone preaching Scientific Cookie-ism. --Penn and Teller Carl Fink carlf@panix.com CARL.FINK (GEnie) From grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!hri.com!noc.near.net!ileaf!leafusa!tyg Sun Sep 26 10:30:16 EDT 1993 Article: 39242 of rec.arts.comics.misc Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.xbooks,rec.arts.comics.marketplace,rec.arts.comics.strips,rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!hri.com!noc.near.net!ileaf!leafusa!tyg From: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) Subject: Suicide Squid 3rd run t-shirt orders being taken Message-ID: Followup-To: rec.arts.comics.misc Sender: usenet@HQ.Ileaf.COM Nntp-Posting-Host: valhalla Reply-To: tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Tom Galloway) Organization: Interleaf, Inc. Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 16:58:46 GMT Lines: 70 Xref: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu rec.arts.comics.xbooks:9674 rec.arts.comics.marketplace:12258 rec.arts.comics.strips:5184 rec.arts.comics.misc:39242 Orders for a third run of t-shirts featuring r.a.c.'s mascot Suicide Squid are now being taken. Great for being noticed at r.a.c. get togethers, cons, and just for those with a general odd fashion sense (seriously, wearing the shirt usually results in several favorable comments from passers-by). The shirt features art by professional artist Ty Templeton (Stig's Inferno, JLI, Batman Adventures, and currently just finishing up the good half of the 6 issue Mad Dog mini-series). The main design is that of a vaguely depressed looking squid. One tentacle is holding a noose around the equivalent of a neck, another holding a gun to its head, one holiding an open bottle of sleeping pills, another sticking a knife in a toaster, one slitting another at the "wrist" area with a knife, one holding an open book titled "Selected Moaning and Groaning" by Kafka, and one holding a steak with an attached "Here Sharks!" placard. Above Squiddy is a red Suicide Squid logo, and below the slogan "The seaweed of crime bears bitter sushi". The art is in four colors, red, black, white, and grey. The design has received favorable comments from pros such as John Ostrander, Kim Yale, Len Wein, Marv Wolfman, Lea Hernandez, Peter David, and Harlan Ellison (all mentioned specifically because the crux of their comments was "I want one!") The shirt is available in both ice green and black colors, and is an Oneida 100% cotton model. All usual adult sizes are available, with a couple of caveats found in the order info section. The schedule for this run is as follows: Orders will be taken through October 25th. At that point, the shirts will be printed by the same printer as did the second run shirts (and also The Tick t-shirt btw). There is a good chance that I'll be out of town from that point until November 20th. Shirts will be mailed out the week of the November 22nd (American Thanksgiving), hopefully just beating the onset of the xmas mail crunch. To order, provide the information requested below. First, email it to me at tyg@hq.ileaf.com Then, send the information and a check (if in the U.S.) to me via snail mail at the address below. The snail mail must be received by October 25th. Pricing: US$10 per shirt. US$11 per shirt for XXL sizes. US$.50 of each shirt will be donated to the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund in the name of r.a.c.. US addresses will receive their shirt(s) via USPS Priority Mail. Postage/handling for US addresses is $3.00 for 1-3 shirts, $6.00 for 4-6 shirts, $9.00 for 7-9 shirts, and you can figure out the progression should you want to order a larger number. If you want to combine an order with someone else in your area to save on postage, that's fine, but it's up to you to arrange it. People from outside the US, please email your order to me and wait for me to reply to let you know postage for your country and to arrange for how to get payment to me. My bank has a problem with foreign checks, even in U.S. dollars, but I've always been able to work things out in the past. Order form: Name: Mailing Address: City/State/Postal Code: Country: Email Address: Number, Size(s), and Color(s) of shirt(s): If ordering a small or medium, would you be willing to take a large? (This is due to a minimum of six shirts per size. If I end up with only one small ordered, say, I may have to refund your money unless you're willing to take a large) Mail to: Email: tyg@hq.ileaf.com Snail mail: Tom Galloway P.O. Box 1433 Waltham, MA 02254 USA "The seaweed of crime bears bitter Fruit-of-the-Loom" Eddie Maise tyg tyg@hq.ileaf.com Article 54368 of rec.arts.comics.misc: Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.kei.com!eff!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail From: jrd@frame.com (James Drew) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: MISC: CBG Fan Awards Date: 10 Jan 1994 16:20:53 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 34 Sender: daemon@cs.utexas.edu Message-ID: <9401102220.AA00478@lynx.corp.frame.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu Tom Galloway (tyg@HQ.Ileaf.COM) writes: >In article <2gaf70$egu@balsam.unca.edu> mcmahan@canton.cs.unca.edu (Scott McMahan -- Genesis mailing list owner) writes: >> If Marvel Age (the advertisement with a cover price) is eligible for >> this, Internet review columns are. Vote for your favorite here! *Make* > >True enough, they are. And keep in mind that Suicide Squid is still eligible >for the Favorite Character category. Year before last, Squiddie made the >results list printed in CBG (note that Squiddy is only eligible due to the >t-shirt, which has comics art on it. Other net.characters aren't). Squiddy also appeared in a spot illustration in Affurmative Action!, a furry comics zine that got limited distribution in Texas. (I put him there.) I'll second what Scott McMahan was getting at, though. Yes, any of the net.forae should be eligible for "Favorite Publication About Comics" categories. The content is not dissimilar to that in many APAs and zines, which are also eligible; only the medium of publication (electronic vs. paper) differs. (Tom: hasn't some version of rec.arts.sf-lovers been nominated for Hugo awards in the past?) So put in your votes for rec.arts.comics.{misc, strips, xbooks, marketplace}, COMICS-L, comix mailing list, Cerebi mailing list, alt.comics.{superman, batman, elfquest}, alt.fan.furry, or anything else that's out there. ------------------------------ | We walked through the darkening forest, Jim Drew | waiting for something to jump out at us. jrd@frame.com | Something did. (Furry: Randy Puritan) | "*I* might!" said the bear. "Innocent, but not naive." | "You might what?" I asked. B2h t c s k g+(p) rv q p e | "No, no, no," he said. "*I* might! Like, S8/5 g l+ y+ o+ a+ u++- j++ | 'ello? 'Ow you doin'?" {opinions: mine != frame's} | - Marc Lynx, "Against All Oz" Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!decwrl!decwrl!netcomsv!netcom.com!tyg From: tyg@netcom.com (Tom Galloway) Subject: Re: Net Prophet Theory... Message-ID: Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 02:11:51 GMT Lines: 15 In article jap@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jim Perreault) writes: >chl701s@nic.smsu.edu (Chris P. Lenger) writes: >>Could the Net-Prophet be none other than Rick Jones? He has had >I always thought it was supposed to be Tom Galloway. I think he posts >more (but I could be wrong ). Yea, I preach the gospel of the sacred Squid and prophesize its coming. I mean, why do you think I do all this travel? Ever since the Krisnas gave it up, airports are great untapped markets for soliciting donations. "A cult -- a closed group of people (typically with an inner circle) run by some maniacal smarter-than-average guy who commands total devotion from his followers despite his oppressive policies. Getting in is hard and leaving is even harder. My God! I've fallen in with a College Cult!!! And I just thought I was going to grad. school!" --David Iverson Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!charnel!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!eff!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsserver.sfu.ca!sfu.ca!chengn From: chengn@malibu.sfu.ca (Kevin Cheng) Subject: Re: Squid shirts Message-ID: Sender: news@sfu.ca Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada References: <2hej5u$5hr@louie.udel.edu> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 07:00:52 GMT Lines: 21 mickey@pecan.cns.udel.edu (Mickey) writes: >In article swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim) writes: >> Has anyone gotten their Suicide Squid shirts, or know when they'll be sent >>out? I got email saying sometime last month, but still haven't gotten anything. >I meant to post something about mine a little earlier, because I did indeed >receive it a few weeks back -- on Christmas Eve! What wonderfully absurd >timing, Tom! :) Will someone be kind enuff to explain what all this "squid" thing is exactly? And what's the deal with the t-shirts? I can deduce a rough idea but I just wanna know for sure. Anyone? (Yes I guess I am new here. You can't learn EVERYTHING in 6 months afterall :) ) Oh, and while I'm asking newbie questions, maybe someone can tell me exactly how I go about getting a .dig file to show up here. err.. .sig that is. -Kevin Cheng Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!uwvax!floss.cs.wisc.edu!lewandow From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Suicide Squid Stamps Summary: Coming soon! Keywords: cool Message-ID: <2hgvaf$llv@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Date: 18 Jan 94 15:30:23 GMT Organization: GaTEA, Slug Division Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: floss.cs.wisc.edu The US Postal service announced today that they will be introducing a special "Suicide Squid" stamp series. Art on the set will be done by Squid artist extraordinaire, Unagiko Sakanaumi. The 100 stamp set will retell the Squid's origin. [No word on *which* origin, however.] Postal officials say they are extremely pleased with the quality of work on the stamps and that they have hopes the set's popularity may approach that of the Elvis stamp. Alonzo Mori, Suicide Squid creator, was quoted as quoted as saying he was "happy to have the opportunity to present Suicide Squid to the large and diverse audience using the US Postal service." The stamps will be available beginning February 22, 1994. -- Gary Lewandowski gary@cs.wisc.edu Theory Slug of Doom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Graduate school is like a POW camp. It's our duty to escape. Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!Henry.R.Broaddus From: Henry.R.Broaddus@dartmouth.edu (Henry R. Broaddus) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: Suicide Squid Stamps Date: 18 Jan 1994 16:42:11 GMT Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Lines: 15 Message-ID: <2hh3h3$2rh@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> References: <2hgvaf$llv@spool.cs.wisc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: at-sn-117.dartmouth.edu X-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0@dartmouth.edu You only told half of the story. Postal officials said that if the stamp series is as successsful as they anticipate they will also issue the entire Suicide Squid/Paul cosmic crossover limited series by reproducing each frame onto a stamp. Furthermore, for every 100 stamp books you buy you get a limited edition gold foil stamp of the climactic frame on p.19 of issue 3 (the one with Squiddie and Paul locked in mortal combat). I am so excited. I loved the series, although I was a little disappointed with the ending, and I must have the stamps!!! "The truth will set you free - but first it will make you damn mad." - M. Scott Peck, M.D. Henry.R.Broaddus@Dartmouth.edu Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!hal.com!decwrl!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!darwin.sura.net!udel!st-csi-a-dyn-22.baylor.edu!rwa From: The Mystic Mongoose Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: Suicide Squid Stamps Date: 19 Jan 1994 03:03:56 GMT Organization: Baylor University Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2hi7us$lsd@louie.udel.edu> References: <2hgvaf$llv@spool.cs.wisc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: st-csi-a-dyn-22.baylor.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d24 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Tue, 18 Jan 94 20:09:26 GMT Henry R. Broaddus, Henry.R.Broaddus@dartmouth.edu writes: >You only told half of the story. Postal officials said that if the >stamp series is as successsful as they anticipate they will also issue >the entire Suicide Squid/Paul cosmic crossover limited series by >reproducing each frame onto a stamp. But the question is: Will it be the Young Squid or the Old Squid? The Mystic Mongoose | ____________ |Best of IRC- rwa@gandalf.baylor.edu| / _______ |Lamprey & the Brain Robert W. Armstrong | | ______ |Silence of the Lampreys P.O. Box 83641 | | _____ |I Love Lamprey Waco, TX 76798-3641 | \__ _____ |It's a Wonderful Lamprey Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!nda!hub.terc.edu!noc.near.net!ll.mit.edu!xn.ll.mit.edu!ulowell!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!nigel.msen.com!yale.edu!yale!zip.eecs.umich.edu!umn.edu!gaia.ucs.orst.edu!ucs.orst.edu!rickertj From: rickertj@ucs.orst.edu (Jeremiah "Phlegm" Rickert) Newsgroups: alt.fan.suicide-squid Subject: Uh, waitaminute... Date: 25 Jan 1994 09:38:14 GMT Organization: University Computing Services - OSU Lines: 7 Message-ID: <2i2pa6$a4t@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: d5900.orst.edu Uh, this isn't the same squid as the one in Red Dwarf, is it, and if it is, why the hell would someone create a newsgroup over it? just wondering... jr Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!uwvax!cs.wisc.edu!faber From: faber@parmesan.cs.wisc.edu (Ted) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: 1993 Alternative Squiddy Awards Ballot Message-ID: Date: 23 Jan 94 21:23:57 GMT References: <020113NUSTABWNUOIJDQ@castlebbs.com> Organization: GaTEA, Maniacal Barber Division Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: parmesan.cs.wisc.edu robin@castlebbs.com (MajorBBS: Robin) writes: >New here so a couple of definitions please: >1. What is r.a.c.? A super-secret arm of the Black Ink Irregulars so secret that no one is allowed to expand the acronym in public without being hauled to the undersea challenge grotto in the middle of the night. Just to give you an idea of how deadly serious all this is, I will tell you that the "m" in "r.a.c.m." stands for "Moriarty." A lesser being's life would be endangered by revealing even that to you, and even referencing them invites disaster. You have been warned. >2. What is MST3K? A Magnesium Strontium Titanium alloy tempered by being supercooled to 3 degrees Kelvin. As I'm sure you've guessed from simple Boy Scout level metallurgy (or Metal Men #23) this alloy is exceptionally suited for making both sword edges, and warhead enclosures. The connection to r.a.c. (ignore that reference) and r.a.c.m. (for God's sake be *oblivious* to that) should be obvious. >3. And what is meant by "split" in this case? I think this should have become clear by now. "There is no conspiracy, and it will kill anyone who says otherwise. This non-existent conspiracy also did not write tonight's `Cheers' episode to promulgate the disinformation that there are tattoo parlors in Massachusetts. There are no tattoo parlors here. They were banned thousands of years ago. People with tattoos are not being exiled from the state by the Conspiracy, which does not exist. Have a nice day." -- James 'Kibo' Parry -- Ted Faber Figment at Large faber@cs.wisc.edu "The ability to quote is a serviceable substitute for wit." -- Maugham Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news.harvard.edu!husc-news.harvard.edu!husc.harvard.edu!husc8!mgelman Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: [CREATIVE] Seeking amateur artist Message-ID: From: mgelman@husc8.harvard.edu (Michael Gelman) Date: 26 Jan 94 04:56:43 GMT Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts Keywords: cement man seeking artist serial serious comix Summary: Trying to make connections... NNTP-Posting-Host: husc8.harvard.edu Lines: 128 [Young man steps up to microphone. Taps twice, winces in embarrassment.] Testing...Testing... [Winces again. Long feedback screech.] Okay, since I guess there's no r.a.c.creative [not an opinion, just a statement of fact], I guess this is the best place to do this. My name is Michael Gelman, and I am looking for an artist to collaborate with me on some late juvenilia. What I'm talking about is past Alonzo Mori's caricatures of his high school history teacher but before he started his "mature" period with the painted _Suicide Squid: Knight of Tentacles_. Like sometime around the early graphic novel _A Single Ocean_. (Apology for any unintentional retcons :) In summer 1991, I conceived of _Cement Man_, originally a happy-go-lucky strip of which I turned out a few 8-page issues in senior year of HS. As I have difficulties drawing anyone except myself, I got a lot of HS friends to help out. Issues 2 and 3 were even in color. (Of course we were talking 30-50 copies print run. A costly hobby.) I came to Harvard College in fall 1992 and spent my fall semseter deciding whether to start up a comics magazine. Come spring I went for it and so far there have been two issues of the anthology mag _Sketchbook: Harvard and Radcliffe's Worldwide Magazine of Graphic Narrative_. Yes, I've heard rumors to the effect there's an eminent Brit comix mag by that name, but we are meek enough not to be noticed (any UK type people please don't tell them :). I won't advertise subscriptions over the net because I know that's considered bad. [Please bear with me; there's a point to this nonsense, and it beats the HELL out of reading the entire text of "Global Alert" quoted ten times!] So, _Cement Man_ 4 came out, and I've been reading Moore and McCloud and Eisner and Sim (first 2 phonebooks done). And I've decided that _Cement Man_ will be a graphic novel of fixed length covering the period from CM's origin through his maturation as a "super-hero". Okay, I said it: the S-word. To clarify: I think that the concept of the "super-hero" is of great use to creators as a symbol and as a metaphor, and I am not ready to relinquish the use of that metaphor to the more "product oriented" creators, no matter how much certain companies may exploit it and make it two dimensional. Filmmakers do not stop depicting nudity just bacuse of the existence of the porno industry [I mean this non-judgmentally], and I do not see why we should be denied a creative tool because some people do not use it responsibly. To ignore all super-heroes is as bad as anything Janet Reno or Paul Simon have proposed... Okay, end of sugar rush, back to my story. CM will go through several "phases" or "stages" in which he examines his own motivations and tries to find a reason for being Cement Man that will satisfy him. (Pretentious enough for ya?) In the end, he will be redeeemed and become a "mature super-hero." (Is that an oxymoron? :) So that's the concept ((c) 1994 me). Over the 2 1/2 years during which I have done _Cement Man_ (a total of 31 pp. published art, 12 pp. scripted: Hey, my current rate is 6-8 pp/yr published! :( ) I have found that the critical limiting factor is LACK OF AN ARTIST WHO IS SERIOUSLY COMMITTED TO PRODUCE, ON SCHEDULE, QUALITY WORK. I've heard some other guys have this problem [Moore? When's _Big #s_ continuing?] and I am confident that given an artist to whom I can give scripts and see them turned into finished art, I could easily produce large amounts of quality script. I am _always_ turning _CM_ over in my head, thinking about subplots, how the pieces will fit together. If I were confident that it could be done, I would be able to produce enough script to satisfy the most ravenous of appetites. I am IMHO a VERY capable person; this semester I directed _Sketchbook_ and took five serious courses (4 math/sci -- I'm a Renaissance man :), and I expect an A/A- average. What I am looking for is an artist who is similarly a "capable" person, possibly a college student who wants to do this "for kicks" but is ready to make a commitment to produce a serious product. I envision _CM_ varying wildly in style, even from issue to issue, letting the form fit the function. For example my medium of choice for #6 would be inkwash, lots of blurry flashbacks etc. We will be B/W/gray for the foreseeable future. Length: Will depend on the artistic situation I find myself in. So far I have been doing 6-8 page installments because of space limitations, but on a short term basis (publication in _Sketchbook_, which may depend on whether I can get some other capable Harvard people to help me run the thing) we could go up to 16 page segments. This would mean 50% sizing of pages, but we've done it before and it works very well on crisp B&W art. Total length: Shorter than _Cerebus._ :) Shorter than _Church and State._ :)x2 Probably longer than _Watchmen,_ maybe about the length of one Cerebus phonebook. I don't want to be doing this specific project until I'm fifty. :)x3 Seriously, though, it depends on how long the installments are. I currently find that I spend a lot of time on characterization each issue (although the characters keep developing) and even just plot recap. I also feel as if I don't have the room to do, say, 3 or 4 pages with no dialogue (cf. _Watchmen_ VI.18:8-21:5) when I have to tell the story. Frankly, I'm looking forward to getting out of the constraint of hand-to-mouth scripting. I want to DO this, to put forward an artistic endeavor that doubtless will be flawed, but that might serve as a prelude to great things. (No, I'm not going to drop out of Harvard and go write comics. But William Carlos Williams was a doctor, and Phillip Larkin was a librarian.) If anyone is interested, here are the groundrules I would have for any collaborative work: 1. Art should be done promptly, but not hastily. (Last issue of _Sketchbook_, I literally had someone inking on the floor of my dorm room at 2AM a week and a half after deadline. Uh-uh. Stress City.) 2. Creative input should figure mostly as a question of, "How can these ideas best be conveyed? How can this story best be told? How can this work best be executed?" Suggestions always welcome, but I feel very possessive of my artistic vision. 3. Any monetary gains can be split, although there probably won't be any. I get zero money from _Sketchbook_, but that's not why I'm in it. I am perfectly content to do a hundred pages a year (or whatever) and publish them thirty-two pages a year (or whatever). Revisions can be made, new deals can be solicited, but the primary goal of all my artistic endeavors has always been the actual _creation_ of the work, with public recognition a close second. If Black Ink Press wants to print it, fine, if it's reasonable terms and the work is not mangled. Otherwise, I am content that _CM_ enrich the world as a work "unpublished during the author's lifetime." (Pompous SOB, aren't I?) In short, this is all "spec," but the work is its own reward. Any heartfelt responses, flames for wasting bandwidth, consolations explaining, "you'll never get anyone to draw for you if you're like that," etc., etc., will be read thoroughly and taken to heart. My apologies for taking up your valuable time, -Michael. (at least the sig is short :) Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!hal.com!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca!umgumpri From: umgumpri@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Christopher Michael Gumprich) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Matman (was Re: Superfriends TV show Date: 26 Jan 1994 16:25:40 GMT Organization: University of Manitoba, Canada Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2i65i4$oiq@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> References: <2i5rqmINNq45@dns1.NMSU.Edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: castor.cc.umanitoba.ca Hmmm... Suicide Squid, Paul, and now Matman. A few more typos, and we can create a full team... -- Chris M. Gumprich umgumpri@cc.umanitoba.ca "BUGGER BLAST DAMN FELCHING HECK!" -John Constantine Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!nda!hub.terc.edu!noc.near.net!ll.mit.edu!xn.ll.mit.edu!ulowell!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.intercon.com!udel!st-csi-a-dyn-22.baylor.edu!rwa From: The Mystic Mongoose Newsgroups: alt.fan.suicide-squid Subject: Re: Uh, waitaminute... Date: 25 Jan 1994 16:24:58 GMT Organization: Baylor University Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2i3h4q$7ud@louie.udel.edu> References: <2i2pa6$a4t@gaia.ucs.orst.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: st-csi-a-dyn-22.baylor.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d24 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Tue, 25 Jan 94 09:30:53 GMT Jeremiah, rickertj@ucs.orst.edu writes: >Uh, this isn't the same squid as the one in Red Dwarf, is it, No. >why the hell would someone create a newsgroup over it? We're still wondering precisely why it was created, ourselves... -1-) It's part of a fairly long and complicated in-joke. Go to rec.arts.comics.info and check the FAQ for more details. |The Mystic Mongoose | ____________ |Vote Yes for: |rwa@gandalf.baylor.edu| / _______ |alt.animals.lamprey |Robert W. Armstrong | | ______ |rec.arts.comics.o-m |P.O. Box 83641 | | _____ |"Contemplation is the |Waco, TX 76798-3641 | \__ _____ |Fornication of the mind." Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!munnari.oz.au!ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU!ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au!lugb!news Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Samson Series PADbait (wasRe: Hulk #415) Message-ID: <1994Jan27.025922.17263@lugb.latrobe.edu.au> From: saski@number2.cs.latrobe.edu.au (Jonathan Burns) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 02:59:22 GMT Sender: news@lugb.latrobe.edu.au (USENET News System) References: Organization: La Trobe University Lines: 25 In article jmj696s@vma.smsu.edu (J. Michael Spectre) writes: > YES YES YES YES!!!!! I've loved the Doc Samson character ever > since I first saw him waaaaaaay back in the old days of the Hulk > (fighting Moonstone, or whatever her name was). He has power > far beyond that of any normal human, yet rather than put on > spandex and and fight crime, he's a psychiatrist. And Moonstone herself is a psychologist. In her first couple of appearances (Engelhart? or Gerber?) she was a very cool psychout artist. Ideal foil for Samson. I always wanted her to team with Nightshade (remember her? the compleat airhead?) The comic potential... But then I wanted a King-Drake-Blade series too, and look what I got. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jonathan Burns | That is not dead, Which can eternal lie burns@latcs1.lat.oz.au| And with gross retcons, even death may die Computer Science Dept | La Trobe University | - Suicide Squid Singalong Special #1 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!netcomsv!netcomsv!matrix!scott.hollifield From: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Superfriends TV show 1/2 Message-ID: <18117.3814.uupcb@the-matrix.com> Date: 28 Jan 94 20:54:00 GMT Distribution: world Organization: The MATRIX - Birmingham, AL - 205-323-2016 Reply-To: scott.hollifield@the-matrix.com (Scott Hollifield) References: <2ibuvg$asc@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Lines: 147 I must have missed the beginning of this thread. Anyhow, if anyone's interested, here is the complete episode list for the Superfriends: SUPER FRIENDS (1973-75, 1976-77; 60-min. episodes) (The very first season, featuring Marvin, Wendy & Wonder Dog) . The Power Pirate . The Baffles Puzzle . Professor Goodfellow's G.B.I.C. . The Weather Maker . Dr. Pelagin's War . The Shamon "U" . Too Hot To Handle . The Androids . The Balloon People . The Fantastic Frerps . The Ultra Beam . The Menace of the White Dwarf . The Mysterious Moles . Gulliver's Gigantic Goof . The Planet Splitter . The Watermen THE ALL-NEW SUPER FRIENDS HOUR (1977-78) (I think this was the season to introduce the Wonder-Twins.) Note: Each episode generally contained four cartoons: one from (A), two from (B) and one from (C): A: Main feature . The Invasion of the Earthers . City in a Bottle . Will the World Collide . Day of the Planet Creatures . The Super Friends vs. the Super Friends . The Voyage of the Mysterious Time Creatures . The Planet of the Neanderthals . The Mind Maidens . The Water Beast . The Coming of the Arthropods . Exploration Earth . The Lion Men . The Tiny World of Terror . The Mummy of Nazca . The Ghost B: Solo (and duo) shorts . The Whirlpool . Brain Machine . Space Emergency . Invasion of the Hydronoids . Volcano . Secret Four . Fire . Doctor Fright . The Energy Mass . The Monster of Dr. Droid . Antidote . Attack of the Giant Squid . Flood of Diamonds . The Enforcer . Attack of the Killer Bees . The Fifty-Foot Woman . Alaska Peril . The Collector . River of Doom . The Invisible Menace . The Day of the Rats . Forbidden Power . The Tibetan Raiders . The Man Beast of Xra . Cable Car Rescue . Frozen Peril . Time Rescue . The Marsh Monster . Rampage . The Protector C: Solo short-shorts, with lesssons for kids (usu. safety and/or ethics) . Joy Ride . Hitchhike . Game of Chicken . Drag Race . Vandals . Tiger on the Loose . The Shark . Cheating . Handicap . Initiation . Pressure Point . Prejudice . Dangerous Prank . The Runaways . Stowaways CHALLENGE OF THE SUPERFRIENDS (1978-79) (The Superfriends regularly battle the Legion of Doom in this season. This is my favorite, because it's more of a JLA cartoon--characters like Green Lantern, the Flash and Hawkman made regular appearances. The name "Super Friends" is made into one word, for this season only.) . Wanted: The Superfriends . Invasion of the Fearians . The World's Deadliest Game . The Time Trap . Trial of the Superfriends . The Monolith of Evil . The Giants of Doom . Secret Origins of the Superfriends . Revenge on Gorilla City . Swamp of the Living Dead . Conquerors of the Future . The Final Challenge . Fairy Tale of Doom . Doomsday . Superfriends: Rest In Peace . History of Doom THE WORLD'S GREATEST SUPER FRIENDS (1979-1980) (As far as I can tell, ABC broadcast reruns for three years following this season.) . Rub Three Times For Disaster . Lex Luthor Strikes Back . Space Knights of Camelon . The Lord of Middle Earth . Universe of Evil . Terror at 20,000 Fathoms . The Superfriends Meet Frankenstein . The Planet of Oz SUPER FRIENDS: THE LEGENDARY SUPER POWERS SHOW (1984-1985) (First tie-in with the Super Powers marketing. Cyborg joins the team, with voice by Ernie Hudson of the Ghostbusters films. Darkseid is a recurring villain,; his minions include Kalibak and DeSaad; the latter's voice was that of Rene Auberjonois, Deep Space Nine's Odo. There were two of each cartoon per episode; some were combined to form a single story, as noted.) . The Bride of Darkseid (Part 1) . The Bride of Darkseid (Part 2) . The Case of the Shrinking Super Friends . The Mask of Mystery . Mr. MXYZPTLK and the Magic Lamp . No Honor Among Super-Thieves . Super-Brat . The Village of Lost Souls . The Royal Ruse . The Wrath of Braniac >>> Continued to next message Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!swrinde!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!matt.ksu.ksu.edu!news From: mattp@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Slash Maraud) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Hey! Date: 30 Jan 1994 15:38:11 -0600 Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <2ih9c3INNcsc@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu -- MARAUD OUT> NO MINORS ALLOWED Love is a many splintered thing. Or something. Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!swrinde!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!matt.ksu.ksu.edu!news From: mattp@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Slash Maraud) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Hey! Date: 30 Jan 1994 15:38:11 -0600 Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <2ih9c3INNcsc@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu -- MARAUD OUT> NO MINORS ALLOWED Love is a many splintered thing. Or something. Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.kei.com!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!destroyer!newncar!uchinews!ellis!lf7z From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Bad Newsglenns Line) Subject: Re: WANTED: Reading Suggestions (I Like "Why I Hate Saturn") Message-ID: <1994Jan31.192146.23701@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago References: <2huh1a$27n@news.nd.edu> <2ijbj1$hq9@news.nd.edu> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 19:21:46 GMT Lines: 29 In article <2ijbj1$hq9@news.nd.edu> mkelly@lazy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes: > > tyg@netcom.com (Tom Galloway) writes: > >|> (So if the moon exploded would the debris manage to destroy Harlan's copy >|> of Cowboy Wally?) > >Glad you asked. Since Harlan Ellison keeps his copy of the Cowboy Wally >Show on the moon, it would probably be converted to a lightning bolt that >travels back in time, strikes Kyle Baker in the head, and then becomes >the inspiration for the Cowboy Wally Show. Funny you should mention that.... This was indeed the inspiration for the upcoming Squidworlds Annuals and Starro Hour. Now, obviously, the Time Flipper is involved, so Calimarith can't be far behind. In the first Squidworlds, SS wakes up transformed into a fat and obnoxious kids' show host named..., you guessed it, Cowboy Squiddy. Pax ex machina, Glenn ...................................................................... "Join your friends in the arms of Morpheus, ruffian!" --- Archer g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know ...................................................................... Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!goldfarb From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: Hey! Date: 1 Feb 1994 09:23:56 GMT Organization: The Sinister Icy Black Hand of Death Club Lines: 13 Message-ID: <2il73c$apt@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <2ih9c3INNcsc@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> Reply-To: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) NNTP-Posting-Host: maelstrom-ether.berkeley.edu Originator: goldfarb@maelstrom.berkeley.edu Slash Maraud wrote: ) I did. Didn't you see my name right there in black and white? Jeez. David Goldfarb |"Sunset over Houma. The rains have stopped. goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu | Clouds like plugs of bloodied cotton wool dab goldfarb@UCBOCF.BITNET | ineffectually at the slashed wrists of the sky." goldfarb@soda.berkeley.edu | -- Alan Moore Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!jebg9667 From: jebg9667@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Johann E. Beda) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: Zero Hour: What if It's not all it's hyped as? Date: 1 Feb 1994 01:11:37 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 43 Message-ID: <2ika89$c2b@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <18596FISWNMURTYCATR@castlebbs.com> <2ic2uj$fs9@mothra.cs.utexas.edu> <1994Jan30.011243.741@earlham.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.cso.uiuc.edu In article <1994Jan30.011243.741@earlham.edu> douga@earlham.edu writes: >In Article <2ic2uj$fs9@mothra.cs.utexas.edu> >danfrank@cs.utexas.edu (Daniel Gordon Frank) writes: > >>One theory that was prevelant in this newsgroup was that Monarch, realizing >>that Waverider was going to warn the heros of the coming of Monarch, drove >>Hawk nuts. Thus he and the rest of the super heros think that Monarch has >>been taken care of. This leads to a false sense of security for when the real >>Monarch rises (whoever he may be). This theory gives more credit to DC and >>Jurgens then they probably deserve. >> > I always thought that Waverider might be Monarch, which would have >lent a lot more character interest to that walking plot device. >(Subjected to an experimental process that changed his body, gave him >great power, and destroyed his personality.) Did they ever account for how >he could be in two places at the same time? Or did they drop that? (And >will Zero Hour drop the bizarre "can't travel more than once with the same >process" limitation? Will Zero Hour give us back Dr. Light's old >personality and shrink Power Girl's breasts? Will it bring back SUICIDE >SQUAD and HAWK & DOVE as regular series? Will it cure herpes and bad >breath? Stay tuned...) > --Doug spoilers ahead... Actually, I heard from confidential inside sources, that with the recent setlement of the legal hassels, DC is finally going to use the REAL Monarch, the one they origionally intended on showing in the whole Waverider cross overs. It was never going to be Captain Atom, or Hawk, but because of legal stuff that came to a head, they weren't able to use the character that they had origionally wanted. In retrospect, it's pretty obvious. Suicide Squid was the only DC major-leaguer who wasn't being used in some money making scheme at the time. His own title in limbo, this would have served to launch a whole new line of Golden Age reprints and/or new 'old' stories as well as setting up a new direction for Squiddy after being defeated by the combined might of the DC universe and being forced to learn that the ends does not justify the means. johann j-beda@uiuc.edu Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!matt.ksu.ksu.edu!news From: mattp@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Slash Maraud) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: Hey! Date: 1 Feb 1994 11:14:50 -0600 Organization: Kansas State University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <2im2maINNf3s@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> References: <2ih9c3INNcsc@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> <2il73c$apt@agate.berkeley.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu >))found a reference to Suicide Squid in Justice League Spectacular #1. >)Awright, who did it?> > I did. Didn't you see my name right there in black and white? Jeez. -- MARAUD OUT> Sometimes I feel like I need a vacation... Sometimes I feel like I wanna go... to the city of cavemen... The city of Bedrock. I'd be a Flintstone, now I'll tell you why... Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!news.nd.edu!lazy.helios.nd.edu!mkelly From: mkelly@lazy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: A flame about this high Date: 4 Feb 1994 19:15:54 GMT Organization: University of Notre Dame Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2iu6ta$qpf@news.nd.edu> References: <1994Feb3.214153.23482@odin.diku.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: silicon.helios.nd.edu rockbear@diku.dk (Peter Juul) writes: |> |> I remember that I once read in JBNM, that the title 'a flame about this high' |> was a joke.... Does anyone know the reference? It is in reference to the classic "Suicide Squid" (Vol 1.) letter column title "a tentacle about this long". This, of course, is the punchline to an obscene joke, and it was quickly changed to the less offensive "ink blots". -- + Mike Kelly, Notre Dame Department of Physics mkelly@doc.helios.nd.edu + + + + Oh, and never mind the words, just hum along and keep on going. + + - Ian Anderson + Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!ellis!lf7z From: lf7z@ellis.uchicago.edu (Born Under A Bad Glenn) Subject: Re: A flame about this high Message-ID: <1994Feb5.062327.3272@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System) Reply-To: lf7z@midway.uchicago.edu Organization: University of Chicago References: <1994Feb3.214153.23482@odin.diku.dk> <2iu6ta$qpf@news.nd.edu> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 06:23:27 GMT Lines: 25 In article <2iu6ta$qpf@news.nd.edu> mkelly@lazy.helios.nd.edu (michael kelly) writes: > > rockbear@diku.dk (Peter Juul) writes: >|> >|> I remember that I once read in JBNM, that the title 'a flame about this high' >|> was a joke.... Does anyone know the reference? > >It is in reference to the classic "Suicide Squid" (Vol 1.) letter column >title "a tentacle about this long". This, of course, is the punchline to >an obscene joke, and it was quickly changed to the less offensive "ink >blots". Oh, be nice, Mike. "A tentacle about this long" is the punchline to "Do you know what really torques my tush?" You're welcome. Pax ex machina, Glenn ...................................................................... "Does anybody else out there believe?" "I believe!" --- My Life with the Thrill Kill Cult g-carnagey@uchicago.edu, if you must know ...................................................................... Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!nntp.msstate.edu!pj!paul From: paul@erc.msstate.edu (Paul Adams) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.marketplace,rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Grading Guide - Beta Version Date: 3 Feb 1994 16:28:23 GMT Organization: Msstate Engineering Research Center Lines: 192 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ir8n7$b01@Tut.MsState.Edu> Reply-To: paul@erc.msstate.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: pj.erc.msstate.edu Xref: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu rec.arts.comics.marketplace:17862 rec.arts.comics.misc:57772 Grading Guide - Beta Version ____________________________ Version : 0.1 Date : 03 Feb. 1994 Written By : Paul Adams e-mail : paul@erc.msstate.edu Confused about how to grade your comic books? What does "Mint" actually mean and does it even exist? Hopefully this post will help you out. As this is a beta version, please give me feedback as to what questions you want answered, &c. I am undecided about corelating the grades to prices. What do you think? Comments, constructive criticism, &c. are welcome. Flames are ignored. Paul Adams -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Changes since version 0.0 include : None. This is the first attempt at it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Table of Contents: I. Nomenclature II. Polybagged Comics III. Restored Comics IV. Summary V. Sources Consulted -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I. Nomenclature ___________________________________________ Their are eight nomenclature grades for comics. Corresponding to each grade is their numeric range. Remember that in grading a comic involves grading the entire comics, not just its cover. Consider *all* defects. A book in any of the grades must be in its original _unrestored_ condition. Restored comics must be stated as such, and the conditions for grading them are described in section III. Finally the key to correct grading is objectivity. The eight nomenclature grades, according to Overstreet, are : MINT (MT : 100-98) - Near perfect in every way. Only the most subtle bindery or printing defects are allowed. Cover is flat with no surface wear. Cover inks are bright with high reflectivity and minimal fading. Corners are cut square and sharp. Staples are generally centered and clean with no rust. Cover is generally centred and firmly secured to interior pages. Paper is supple and fresh. Spine is tight and flat. Yes, comics in this grade do exist, but they are extremely rare. Your typical comic in the pull file or on the newsstand is _not_ in mint condition, but is instead in near mint condition. NEAR MINT (NM : 97-90) - Nearly perfect. Cover is flat with no surface wear. Cover inks are bright with high reflectivity and with a minimum of fading. Corners are cut square and sharp with ever so slight blunting permitted. Staples are generally centered and clean with no rust. Cover is well centred and firmly secured to interior pages. Paper is supple and like new. Spine is tight and flat. VERY FINE (VF : 89-75) - An excellent copy with outstanding eye appeal. Sharp, bright and clean with supple pages. Pages and covers can be yellowish/tannish (at the least) but not brown and will usually be off-white to white. FINE (FN : 74-55) - An exceptional, above average copy that shows minor wear but still relatively flat, clean and glossy with no subscription crease or brown margins. Typical defects include: light spine wear, minor surface wear, a light crease, minor yellowing/tanning to interior pages. Compared to a VF, cover inks are beginning to show a significant reduction in reflectivity but is till highly collectable and desirable. VERY GOOD (VG : 54-35) - The average used comic book most commonly found. The comic shows moderate wear but eye appeal has not been reduced to the point that it is not desirable. One or two minor markings on the cover or minor spine roll are allowed. Lightly creased along spine or extremities, subscription crease, loose centerfold, or minor chip or piece missing allowed. GOOD (GD : 34-15) - This comic has all pages and covers, although there may be small pieces missing. Commonly creased, scuffed, abraded, and soiled, but books inthis grade are completely readable. Paper quality is low, but not brittle. FAIR (FR : 14-5 ) - Very heavily read and soiled, but still complete. Damaged beyond collectability for most collectors, brings 30 to 50 percent of the good price. POOR (PR : 4-1 ) - Sufficiently degraded so as to have little or no collector value. Often severely stained, abraded, defaced, or damaged beyond readability. II. Polybags ____________ Will taking a comic out of its polybag reduce the value of the comic? The answer is a simple no. The reasoning is simple. If the comic is left in the bag and the bag turns yellow and slowly damages the comic, who will want to buy it? Another way of looking at this is provided by John Danovich, an editor for Hero Illustrated. Take a comic that the retailer is selling as "mint in the bag", and buy it. Later, try and sell that book back to the retailer as the comic by itself and the bag by itself. The comic will be bought for the right price. Try and videotape the expression on the retailer's face when you ask him to buy the bag. The point is, the bag, box, or package is worthless *without* what it holds. Therefore, it stands to reason that it is worthless period. Now if a trading card or some such item is enclosed in the bag, be sure to keep it as some dealers consider it part of the comic. If you are really intent on maintaining the value of the comic and still think that the bag is worth something, cut away enough of the top of the bag to take your comic out. Store the comic in a bag with a backing board. Store the promotional item and the polybag with the comic, but on the other side of the backing board so that they will not damage the comic through movement or deterioration. Overstreet's official policy on polybagged comics is to grade the comic whether or not it is still sealed in their polybag. They do recommend, as I mention above, to keep all of the original manufactured products together. III. Restored Comics ____________________ Many comics may have had minor to major restoration work performed on them. The more valuable a comic, the more likely that it has been restored. A restored comic is never worth as much as the same comic in unrestored condition. That is, a restored Suicide Squid #1 in Very Fine condition is not worth what an original Suicide Squid #1 in Very Fine condition is worth. Comic books that have been restored have what is known as an _apparant grade_. For example, the aforementioned restored Suicide Squid #1 has an apparant grade of Very Fine. Restored books should be stated as such by the seller prior to the sale. As not all sellers are honest, the buyer should beware. Things to look for when grading a book have been mentioned in section II, but a few more need to be mentioned here. If you are grading a book to buy, check to see if the pages have been bleached or whitened, the pages or cover trimmed, spine or tear reinforcment, glue, replaced staples, wrinkles pressed from the cover, recoloring, and reglossed covers. IV. Summary ___________ The key to proper grading is objectivity and a proper understanding of the grading scale. Remember to grade the entire comic, not just its cover, and if buying an expensive comic, then look for signs that it has been restored. For articles on restoring comics or grading comics, check out _The Overstreet Comic Book Grading Guide 1st edition_. It contains pictures of comics before and after they are restored which is impressive. The book also contains more information on the grading of comics as well as picture examples. V. Sources Consulted ____________________ Danovich, John, ed., "Hero Compares/Contrasts Comic Supplies", _Hero_ _Illustrated_ Volume 1 number 3, Warrior Publications, Lombard, IL, Sept. 1993. _Overstreet Comic Book Monthly #9_, Overstreet Publications, Cleveland, Tennessee, 1994. Wilson, Mark; Overstreet, Robert M. and Carter, Gary M., eds. "Comic Book Restoration", _The Overstreet Comic Book Grading Guide 1st edition_, Avon Books, New York, New York, 1992. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright 1994, Paul Adams. All rights reserved, but no harm askin' -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- \ ___ / Paul Adams \ /___\ / paul@erc.msstate.edu ____________\___/__.__\___/____________ YF-22 \ \ / / \__/\___/\__/ Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!netcomsv!netcom.com!tyg From: tyg@netcom.com (Tom Galloway) Subject: Re: I can never remember... Message-ID: Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <2iub6t$559@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <24.36870.2597.0NB2D0CF@pcohio.com> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 06:09:49 GMT Lines: 9 In article <24.36870.2597.0NB2D0CF@pcohio.com> lou.duchez@pcohio.com (Lou Duchez) writes: >Atlas (stamina) and Achilles (courage / invulnerability). The "A" in >"Paul" stands for "Abe Vigoda" (immortality). And the "A" in "Suicide Squid" stands for "Accidently Typoed As An I" (stamina). "The seaweed of crime bears bitter sushi" --Suicide Squid tyg tyg@Hq.ileaf.com Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!charnel!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!ub!acsu.buffalo.edu!ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu!v124jw4y From: v124jw4y@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Benjamin R Pierce) Subject: Re: Image Comics must be destroyed!! Message-ID: News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu Organization: University at Buffalo References: <2j3rkl$373@news2.aero.org> <2j4h0b$got@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca> Distribution: usa Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 19:53:00 GMT Lines: 17 In article <2j4h0b$got@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca>, jjohnson@jupiter.scs.Ryerson.CA (James Johnson) writes... > > And you can't tell me there haven't always been arguements about >--- being (quicker/stronger/smarter/etc) than ***... They've always been >there! Personally, I think that *** could wipe up the floor with --- any day of the week...his powers and fighting skill are much the superior of the two. Besides, he's a more commercially appealing character! Does anyone remember the guest appearances he made in Paul and Suicide Squid? Those issues are still among the hottest on the market... --Ben Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.intercon.com!udel!st-csi-a-dyn-22.baylor.edu!rwa From: The Mystic Mongoose Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: Image Comics must be destroyed!! Date: 8 Feb 1994 04:08:42 GMT Organization: Baylor Looniversity Lines: 29 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2j738a$9ns@louie.udel.edu> References: <2j3rkl$373@news2.aero.org> <2j69sb$g6u@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca> <1994Feb7.192913.26122@Princeton.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: st-csi-a-dyn-22.baylor.edu X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d24 X-XXMessage-ID: X-XXDate: Mon, 7 Feb 94 21:15:25 GMT Benjamin R Pierce, v124jw4y@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu writes: >jjohnson@jupiter.scs.Ryerson.CA (James Johnson) writes... >> >> And you can't tell me there haven't always been arguements about >>--- being (quicker/stronger/smarter/etc) than ***... They've always been >>there! >Personally, I think that *** could wipe up the floor with --- any day of the >week...his powers and fighting skill are much the superior of the two. Yup. For those who don't regognize our net.abbreviations, those are TriStar and D.A.S.H. III (Death Assault Super Hero). Actually, --- would be a good match, although -- ( the silver age D.A.S.H.) would be not match for ***. > Besides, he's a more commercially appealing character! Does anyone remember >the guest appearances he made in Paul and Suicide Squid? Those issues are >still among the hottest on the market... Paul #245-247, and what were the Suicide Squid issues? Hmmm... Hoo'`d Win: Matman or ***? |The Mystic Mongoose | ____________ |"Could you draw Bone as |rwa@gandalf.baylor.edu| / _______ |Morpheus?"- J. Trull, |Robert W. Armstrong | | ______ |pathetic Gaiman fanboy |P.O. Box 83641 | | _____ |"*WHY*???" -Jeff Smith, |Waco, TX 76798-3641 | \__ _____ |comic god of coolness Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!nda!hub.terc.edu!noc.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!void!alanb From: alanb@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Alan Braverman) Newsgroups: alt.fan.suicide-squid Subject: A Hunt for Squid Date: 15 Feb 94 06:59:48 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: void.ncsa.uiuc.edu Attention squid fans: For reasons too obscure to explain, I'm building an index of anything that has to do with SQUID on the World Wide Web. The URL is http://sleepless.cs.uiuc.edu/sigsoft/squid.html Thanks for any input you can provide, like a Suicide Squid FAQ or something :-) Alan Braverman alanb@uiuc.edu (<-- if possible, please reply to this address) Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!theory.lcs.mit.edu!wald From: wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu (David Wald) Newsgroups: alt.fan.suicide-squid Subject: Re: A Hunt for Squid Date: 15 Feb 1994 14:38:08 GMT Organization: Theory of Computation, LCS, MIT Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: woodpecker.lcs.mit.edu In-reply-to: alanb@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu's message of 15 Feb 94 06:59:48 GMT Cc: alanb@uiuc.edu In article alanb@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Alan Braverman) writes: > >Attention squid fans: > >For reasons too obscure to explain, I'm building an index of anything >that has to do with SQUID on the World Wide Web. The URL is > > http://sleepless.cs.uiuc.edu/sigsoft/squid.html > >Thanks for any input you can provide, like a Suicide Squid FAQ or >something :-) There's a brief entry in the rec.arts.comics.* FAQ (available by ftp from rtfm.mit.edu in pub/usenet/rec.arts.comics.info/*) and a more-or-less complete archive of Suicide Squid posts (available by ftp from theory.lcs.mit.edu in pub/wald/suicide-squid). -David -- ============================================================================ David Wald wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu "Blessed are the peacocks, for they shall be called sonship of God" -- Matt 5:9, from a faulty QuickVerse 2.0 ============================================================================ Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc,alt.comics.superman Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!EU.net!news.funet.fi!news.eunet.fi!dkuug!uts!diku!rockbear From: rockbear@diku.dk (Peter Juul) Subject: Man of Seattle WAS: Re: Question about Bizarro. Message-ID: <1994Feb14.102202.14636@odin.diku.dk> Sender: rockbear@embla.diku.dk Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 10:22:02 GMT References: <2jdunb$52v@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Organization: Department of Computer Science, U of Copenhagen Lines: 23 Xref: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu rec.arts.comics.misc:59838 alt.comics.superman:3831 cz323@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brian Petro) writes: >Thus, more than likely >he has the memories of the man if settl obviously Brian is referring to the Man of Seattle, that was first introduced in Paul Adventures #332, and whom has since then been a guest-star in many a DC Comics production. Actually, rumors are, that he is going to get his very own comic book after Zero Hour (In which he will die, come back to life, mysteriously disappear, miracoulously appear simultaneously in most american afiliates of MacDonalds and finally change his identity into 'Denver - Man of Colorado' (mostly due to his girlfriend Linda Cheviot moving there)). It will be scripted by infamous Squid star Heinz Mueller, and it probably will be pencilled, too, at some time, unless DC decides to use their new tecnique of sending it directly from scripting to coloring. -- Thee haveth received the words of wisdom, originating from the thoughts of mr. Peter Bjarke Juul of Denmark. Please keep that in mind when answering. This is a .sig-virus-killer. Please spread it to everyone in your own .sig... Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!daffy!uwvax!cs.wisc.edu!faber From: faber@parmesan.cs.wisc.edu (Ted) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: HELLBLAZER: Ennis is leaving (was: Re: Info desired on John Constantine ) Date: 21 Feb 94 04:17:03 GMT Organization: ThreadBusters Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <1994Feb7.163224.1859@vaxa> <2jn0eg$8lu@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: parmesan.cs.wisc.edu tyg@netcom.com (Tom Galloway) writes: >In article Abhijit_Khale@transarc.com writes: >>silbrmnd@acf4.nyu.edu (The Dark Mage) writes: >>> Well, give him a few more. Ennis and Dillon are doing 8 or so more >>> issues, then they'll be off to work on a new title... >>Hellblazer. And I hope this new title is a creator owned title with NO >>DC Universe interaction. >Actually, I hear it'll be a Zatanna series... Funny I heard it was Suicide Squid.... > >(sorry, just trying to eliminate competition for the Favorite r.a.c.er >Squiddy category... (Always try for two or more. Anyone want to check Gary and Tom?) > "We are Earth's only chance! We must fight and die like famous heroes! Fight for a world that perhaps considers us, that considers us all, well, let's say, perhaps, goofy!" ---FLAMING CARROT COMICS -- Ted Faber Figment at Large faber@cs.wisc.edu "The ability to quote is a serviceable substitute for wit." -- Maugham Path: grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!olivea!charnel!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!daffy!uwvax!floss.cs.wisc.edu!lewandow From: lewandow@floss.cs.wisc.edu (Gary Lewandowski) Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics.misc Subject: Re: HELLBLAZER: Ennis is leaving (was: Re: Info desired on John Constantine ) Date: 21 Feb 1994 15:55:04 GMT Organization: GaTEA, Slug Division Lines: 24 Message-ID: <2kalgo$hvm@spool.cs.wisc.edu> References: <1994Feb7.163224.1859@vaxa> <2jn0eg$8lu@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: floss.cs.wisc.edu In faber@parmesan.cs.wisc.edu (Ted) writes: >tyg@netcom.com (Tom Galloway) writes: >>In article Abhijit_Khale@transarc.com writes: >>>silbrmnd@acf4.nyu.edu (The Dark Mage) writes: >>>> Well, give him a few more. Ennis and Dillon are doing 8 or so more >>>> issues, then they'll be off to work on a new title... >>Actually, I hear it'll be a Zatanna series... >Funny I heard it was Suicide Squid.... Great, given the Ennis angst-o-rama writing (shouldn't he move on to X-Men) and squiddy's tendency to emit ink when stressed, the penciler will have little to do. (But gosh, the poor inker!) -- Gary Lewandowski gary@cs.wisc.edu Theory Slug of Doom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I think any form of government, not just Capitalism, is whatever the people who have all our money, drunk or sober,